If you want to use Dual IDA then the EIST box in ThrottleStop has to be clear. When EIST and the C States are disabled, your CPU MHz will be locked to a fixed value and a fixed VID voltage.
As far as I know, Disable Turbo works on your CPU. When you set the Multiplier to 6.0, you have already disabled turbo (Intel Dynamic Acceleration) so in that situation, Disable Turbo will not make any difference.
Some of the settings you have checked off for your battery profile might not save you any power at all. A CPU that slowly plods along when it is trying to work is not efficient. I don't own a T9600 so you will have to do some power consumption monitoring to try and determine what works and what doesn't for your CPU. For the apps I run, I prefer a fast CPU when on battery power.
Once again, post some screenshots if you have any questions. imgur: the simple image sharer is a free image hosting site that works well.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...17x-r3-low-performance-cs-go.html#post9823299
J.Dre must be thinking of some other ThrottleStop program. With 100,000+ downloads and a 240 page thread here on NBR, I think one or two people have used ThrottleStop to improve their CPU performance and gaming experience.![]()
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EIST is definitely cleared. Just different tools show different MHZ. I.E, HWinfo is showing everything is set like in throttlestop, but throttle stop is showing different FID and multipliers.
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Can you post a screenshot of ThrottleStop with EIST and C States disabled? Usually when yo do that, the multiplier reported by ThrottleStop will be fixed at the maximum value on both cores of a Core 2 Duo. Some monitoring software ignores what the CPU is doing internally when the C States are enabled. ThrottleStop tries to tell it like it is.
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With C-states disabled the behavior appears the same. I can screenshot when I get back from work. Throttlestop reports varying FID, hwinfo reports mostly unwavering mhz. When you load up via ts bench, both cores do go to 11, without throttlestop they only go to 10.5. You can do 1 thread and both will show 11 too.
With no load, throttlestop has never shown me steady FID/mhz. CPUZ has mostly shown 1.5ghz and high voltage. Hwinfo instantly shows changes made in throttlestop. On my T61P with T7200 (I think), throttlestop behaves much more like hwinfo. If I set 12x multiplier I see the proc stay at 2ghz, even with no load, of course there is no IDA there.
** Ok, so I disabled C-States and it started to rise to 11x when moving the mouse but not when idle... it falls back down. Hwinfo still shows 11x all the time.
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It does seem to run waay cooler on battery. Firefox is still fast enough and my battery times jump to 3 and 5hrs (50/80kwh batts). I'll have to figure out a way to measure CPU power consumption. Windows performance logs aren't cutting it. 800-1500mhz isn't bad for internet. not trying to compile stuff or run photoshop on battery. This is a power hungry laptop no matter what.
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DroYo - Your first screenshot shows ThrottleStop when the CPU is just in the process of entering Dual IDA mode. The multiplier will not be fixed while this is happening.
Your second screenshot shows that with EIST and C States disabled, ThrottleStop shows that both cores of your CPU are locked to the full 11.0 multiplier. That is Dual IDA and that is normal.
You mentioned that with EIST and C States disabled, when your CPU is idle and you are not moving your mouse, the multiplier that ThrottleStop shows drops down to less than 11.0. Can you post a picture of that? Anything is possible but I have never seen that from any Core 2 Duo in Dual IDA that I have tested. I never had access to any documentation from Intel about C States so I had to wing it a little. I am just curious. Maybe your CPU uses some low power C States that I don't know about yet.
If you have found a way to increase your battery run time without sacrificing too much performance then that is great. My laptops are mostly plugged in so that is why I tend to set ThrottleStop up for maximum performance over battery run time.
Edit - You are correct that the T7200 did not have Intel Dynamic Acceleration (IDA). This feature was first included in the slightly newer T7300 and T7500 which used the faster 800 MHz Front Side Bus speed. I think the multiplier displayed by ThrottleStop is usually a very accurate measure of what your CPU is really doing internally. HWiNFO is a great tool but like CPU-Z, it tends to round off the multiplier data and it ignores the C States. -
Here you go... also the product of setting the "software protection service" to manual. As soon as I stop moving the mouse the FID falls. All the way to under 2ghz.
RealTemp tells me seeing C-states is not supported (v 3.7.5) from '12. On earlier Throttlestop it was mentioned that C-states just turns off C1E.
This is C1E
Everything You Need to Know About the CPU C-States Power Saving Modes | Hardware Secrets
On page 2 it tells you the difference between C1 and C1E
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On the Core 2 Duo CPUs, the ThrottleStop C States option tries to turn off as many of the C States as possible. The problem is that I have never had access to the full Intel documentation so I had to do some guessing when I created this feature. On my similar 45nm T8100, at idle when running Dual IDA, the multiplier is locked to 11.50 and doesn't budge. Based on your screenshot, it is possible that your T9600 supports one of the deeper C States like C6. This C State might have been disabled in the bios on my laptop so when testing I didn't notice it.
If you want me to look into this further, can you run my MSR Finder program. Click on the Snapshot button and it will take a snapshot of all of your CPU registers. You can just send me a PM or upload the info somewhere convenient. It will write a file to a Logs directory within the MSR Finder folder.
MSRFinder
If running an unknown program hosted on MediaFire is making you feel queasy, you can also try running CPU-Z, go to the About Tab and you can create a report (.TXT) of the registers that way. I am not sure if CPU-Z is as thorough as MSR Finder but I think the CPU-Z report includes the register that I am interested in.
The Intel documentation shows how to easily read C State residency time for the Core i processors but trying to do this for the older Core 2 Duo processors is more complicated so I never bothered adding that feature to RealTemp or ThrottleStop. On the Core i processors, I am 100% certain that ThrottleStop only toggles C1E. When running ThrottleStop on a Core 2 Duo, I am pretty sure that the C States option toggles more than just C1E but I don't have a detailed list of what C States it toggles on what Core 2 Duo CPU.
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I've made a pastie of my MSR.. proc was running the way its set up in the screen shot.
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Thanks for the info. I see a few interesting bits in the register that I am interested in.
On the Core i CPUs, having C1E, C3, C6 or C7 enabled will cause the multiplier reported by ThrottleStop to wander randomly when lightly loaded or idle. I am not sure how the Core 2 Duos react when the various C States are enabled.
I am going to do some Google searching tomorrow to see if I can dig up anything new. Sometimes the Linux community likes to share some good info. There are 2 bits that look interesting. I should have access to my old laptop this weekend for testing purposes. It has a 45nm T8100. It might be a few days but I am interested in finding out some more about this. The info I had was for the original 65nm Core 2 Duo CPUs. That's why I think there might be a bit in the newer 45nm Core 2 Duo CPUs that controls C6 that ThrottleStop is ignoring. -
I know C2E is new for core 2 duo. Dunno if its C6 (windows reports C6%) but cpu voltage isn't going down.
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It is difficult for monitoring software to correctly report the VID or voltage when a CPU core goes into one of the deeper C States. When a core is in a low power C State, you can give it a poke and ask it what voltage it is at but it has to exit that C State before it can respond so that is pointless.
From the Hardware Secrets article,
The documentation I have shows a bit for C1E, C2E, C4E and Hard C4E. My best guess was C6 since that was not available on the 65nm Core 2 Duo but maybe it is C3 or ????.
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Hi unclewebb, seen the newer post, I guess you havent accessed to your old laptop (hope you didnt argue with the new owner hehehehe).
My issue with lock at lowest multiplier after suspend is still there, from hibernate works do.
Anyway, for the T9600 guy there, he has Clock modulation is on at 100%, shoud be off?, He mentioned if he lock the performance of cpu in energy options?, I think he should put some screenshots of their options in that windows. I have no problem with locked dual ida mode in cold start. It works like a charm, undervolted safely at 1.0875 it peforms cooler than before (max 72°C), this is really great I'm really happy with this software.
If you are jobless unclewebb, please activate your paypal account, I'm williing to shot some bucks to you for your great job on this software.
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The clock modulation didn't affect much. I don't see any results in throttlestop but I do see results in HWinfo.
Off - nothing happens
Low - CPU stays at lower mhz
High - CPU stays at high mhz
I think neither clock modulation is honestly used by my system to throttle, just the multiplier. I've tried it on and off I don't think its making any difference.
As for energy options, on plugged in its 100%/100% high power profile. ON battery its 5%-100% and still high power profile with aerofoil taking off aero. On suspend my cores come back either in dual IDA or throttlestop is completely gone, I should check the event log to see if there has been a crash.
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Is Throttlestop designed for a i5-4202Y?
How can i stop throttling on my Lenovo Mix 2? Temperature is max 50°C. It goes down to 900Mhz but has 1600Mhz an with Turbo 2000Mhz.
I tried a lot with the last beta version.
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Audio01 - ThrottleStop Bay Trail support is still in the future. I know that ThrottleStop does not work correctly on the Bay Trail CPUs but to fix this, I might need to buy a Bay Trail laptop for development purposes. $300 bucks doesn't sound like much but at the moment I need that money to pay for some car insurance next month and buy some food. Maybe it will be 2015 for full Bay Trail support.
DroYo - If the ThrottleStop icon completely disappears after resuming from Stand By then you can try cleaning out your icon cache. You can download a simple .bat file called Notification_Area_Cleaner to do that job.
How to Clean the Notification Area Icon Cache in Windows 7 & Windows 8
I haven't had any significant problems with ThrottleStop 7 but if you go back and forth from ThrottleStop 6 to ThrottleStop 7, you will need to clean the icon cache to avoid any random disappearing icon issues.
DooMaster - I had a look at my code last weekend to try and figure out the Dual IDA problem you are having. For this to work after you resume from Stand By, you have to be using Profile 1 and in the ThrottleStop options window, Profile 1 has to be checked. Start Dual IDA might have to be checked too. This used to work correctly but without access to a mobile Core 2 Duo, I haven't been able to do any testing. If I ever get my hands on my Inspiron D830 - T8100 again, I will do some proper testing.DooMaster likes this. -
I've been hanging around with my 4670k and HD4600 igpu since I asked, and it turns out even Intel reps have no idea how to force the igpu into a non-idle state. Any new developments here? It seems like it might be deeper than just software though. Losing a bit of hope. :\
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Hey unclewebb, i know that your program throttlestop doesn't suport ivy bridge ulv celeron cpu, i want to ask if you plan to support them in the future? I just want to stop my cpu throttling that whenever reaches 75-80 degrees celsius it starts to throtle until it reaches 70 degrees, this is very anoying since i play games on my laptop and every minutre or so, my fps's drop to 30 for example on pes 2015 and after 3 seconds or so it returns to 60, this happens on all games, i tested alot i just discovered today that it is indeed throttling since i played pes in windowed mode and with throttle stop open, when the fps started to drop i took a look and my cpu was throttling, it's really ing anoying, im thinking about buying and cool pad, but i have the fear that il not solve nothing, and since i don't even have a job i don't want to throw away money for nothing, i hope in the future that you can implement a feature to disable throttling in this cpu, btw the cpu is an intel celeron 1007u, and yes i already tried to undervolting but i can't.
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Hey unclewebb, i know that your program throttlestop doesn't suport ivy bridge ulv celeron cpu, i want to ask if you plan to support them in the future? I just want to stop my cpu throttling that whenever reaches 75-80 degrees celsius it starts to throtle until it reaches 70 degrees, this is very anoying since i play games on my laptop and every minutre or so, my fps's drop to 30 for example on pes 2015 and after 3 seconds or so it returns to 60, this happens on all games, i tested alot i just discovered today that it is indeed throttling since i played pes in windowed mode and with throttle stop open, when the fps started to drop i took a look and my cpu was throttling, it's really ing anoying, im thinking about buying and cool pad, but i have the fear that il not solve nothing, and since i don't even have a job i don't want to throw away money for nothing, i hope in the future that you can implement a feature to disable throttling in this cpu, btw the cpu is an intel celeron 1007u, and yes i already tried to undervolting but i can't.
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The Graphics Tuning page provides runtime access to processor graphics overclocking controls. Changes to controls on this page are made independently of changes made to controls on other manual tuning pages, are applied immediately to the system, and do not require a system reboot to take effect.
Use this page to make fast, immediate changes to system graphics settings and observe the immediate effects of those changes on your favorite graphics benchmark or platform stability test. Changes made to graphics controls on the Graphics Tuning page are not committed permanently to your system, and will be reset to their boot-up values in the case of system restart, system standby, or graphics driver failure. Once you have found the optimal settings, use your system BIOS or the Processor manual tuning page to make permanent changes to your system configuration. Note that these settings may or may not appear in either of these locations depending on your system's BIOS.
Note: Not all processors with Intel® HD Graphics support runtime adjustments to overclocking controls. Also, make sure to use the latest available version of the graphics drivers. If either your hardware or drivers do not support runtime adjustments to Intel® HD Graphics overclocking controls, this page will not be available in XTU.
Max Processor Graphics Frequency
The maximum speed at which the processor graphics core(s) will operate.
Processor Graphics Current Limit
This setting adjusts the maximum instantaneous current allowed through the processor graphics power rail at any given time. This setting is not adjustable on all processors.
Processor Graphics Power Max Enable
This setting enables or disables the processor graphics power limit (see below). This setting is not adjustable on all processors.
Processor Graphics Power Max
This setting limits the power consumption of the processor graphics core(s). If the processor detects that this power limit will be exceeded when measured over the corresponding power window (see below), the processor graphics core frequency will be limited to maintain power within the specified limit. This setting is not adjustable on all processors.
Processor Graphics Power Window
This setting adjusts the time window over which the power limit consumption of the processor graphics core(s) should be maintained. This setting is not adjustable on all processors.
Graphics Dynamic Frequency Ratio Limit
This setting sets the maximum processor graphics multiplier at which the processor graphics core(s) can operate. The maximum multiplier is used by the processor graphics dynamic frequency feature, which is similar to Intel® Turbo Boost Technology. When a graphics workload is detected, the dynamic frequency raises the graphics core clock ratio up to this maximum. The resulting graphics frequency is the product of this ratio and the reference clock frequency. This setting is not adjustable on all processors. -
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Intel completely redesigned the 4th Gen Haswell CPUs and integrated the voltage regulator into the CPU. That makes it easy for software to adjust the voltage. For the 3rd Gen CPUs, this is not possible. You can adjust the voltage on the 3rd Gen desktop motherboards but you are not likely to see this on any of the mobile 3rd Gen motherboards. If Intel XTU does not support this feature then I do not think you are going to find any other software to adjust the CPU voltage.
For the 1007U, Intel has set the thermal throttling temperature to 105C.
ARK | Intel® Celeron® Processor 1007U (2M Cache, 1.50 GHz)
Can you show me a log file and a few screenshots of ThrottleStop so I can have a look. Use version 7 from my sig and show me the main screen as well as the TPL window. ThrottleStop supports your CPU but your CPU does not use Turbo Boost and it is a low powered U CPU so there is probably not much that any software is going to be able to do to help you out. U CPUs are fine for surfing the net but many of them are not powerful enough for consistent, long term, gaming. Intel deliberately built the U series to throttle based on power consumption. They do a good job at throttling. -
Also the log View attachment 2014-12-01.txt
I did try the settings in throttlestop like bdprochot, eist, clock modulation, multiplier, chip mod, etc
The only settings i didn't change are in the tpl menu, i don't know what i should change there.
After seeing the log what do you think? thanks men!
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DooMaster - In the Options window to the right of where it says Dual IDA, you have to check off the option Profile 1.
Give that a try and let me know if it works.
If it works then I really need to document this feature a lot better. I was running low on real estate to squeeze in a few more options.
TheEvolution - I had a good look at your data and my conclusion is that a Celeron 1007U simply does not have enough muscle to play modern games. I would be surprised if a modern game was NOT completely freezing at times.
The log file shows that your CPU is running at full speed. It is not too hot, it is not consuming too much power and it is not throttling. The C0% column reaches 100.0% at times which confirms that the CPU is fully maxed out. When that happens, some things that need to be processed right now will not get processed until the processor has a moment when it is not so busy. That is when you will notice that things will start to chug and freeze up on screen. This CPU cannot keep up.
To get a better idea of how under powered the 1007U is, I ran the ThrottleStop - TS Bench test. For comparison purposes, I ran the TS Bench with 2 threads at 1500 MHz to simulate a 1007U and it took 67.138 seconds to complete the 32M test. The Lenovo Y510P that was released 18 months ago can do that exact same 32M calculation in only 9.319 seconds. That difference only represents the difference in the CPU. The separate Nvidia GPU is also way more powerful than the Intel GPU.
http://i.imgur.com/dylFoR0.png
A 1007U was first released in 2013 but in terms of computing power, it performs similar to laptops that were being released in 2006. The advantage is that the 1007U consumes half as much power compared to mobile CPUs being released back then but at many tasks, it is not any faster.
The Lenovo Y510P has also become old technology which is why the single GPU models sell on EBay for about $650. I would recommend something like that for mobile gamers on a budget. Trying to game on a Celeron 1007U is going to be a painful experience.Last edited: Dec 2, 2014 -
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Unclewebb, I must ask a fairly random question. But there is something that Throttlestop and WinTimerTester does to help to fix microstuttering for me with Windows 8.1.
DPC latency is around 100us, which is within "norms". If I start and let Thruttlestop or WinTimerTester run in the background, I get full 60+ fps smoothness in say Winamp Visualization, from something that looks to be more like 20-25 fps. Have attempted to enable/disable the dynamic tick options, also enabling and disabling HPET. Without your software running, I can see that the problems comes and goes randomly.
Never had issues like this with Windows 7 x64. So there has to be something with the Win 8.x kernel/settings. Using the same Quadro GPU drivers as in Windows 7. Powermizer disabled.
I am stumped, been trying to pinpoint the problem for days (power settings, CPU idle states etc) but it eludes me. No other applications have this positive effect just running in the background. (CPUID, HWINFO64 etc)
On a HP Elitebook 8770w with Intel i7 3720QM & nVIDIA Quadro K5100M. Can replicate this problem, and film a 120fps video if anyone doubts my ability to spot the difference.
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Rideass - I have to be honest and say that I have absolutely no idea what ThrottleStop and WinTimerTester have in common or what they are doing but I really like how this sounds. Hopefully Google search will add this to its archives.
ThrottleStop fixes Windows 8.1 micro stuttering
Just curious, can ThrottleStop be in Monitoring mode to reduce micro stuttering or do you have to click on the Turn On button? After running it can you exit the program and still have this positive effect on micro stuttering?
Now that I think about this some more, both of these programs might change the Windows timer resolution. I experimented with that a long time ago but I cannot remember if that code is still active. I found a separate utility program that lets you adjust the timer resolution so you can try running that to see if this might be it.
Timer Resolution « Lucas Hale
Edit - Yep, both of these programs are messing with the system timers.
When running on battery power, ThrottleStop sets the timer back to the Windows default resolution. WinTimerTester is even more aggressive and when minimized, it should be consuming next to nothing for CPU cycles.
Last I remember, ThrottleStop has a secret INI option that lets you adjust this. If you find a timer resolution you like, let me know and I will have a look for the appropriate INI option. Thanks for the feedback.Last edited: Dec 6, 2014Mr. Fox, Rideass and fatboyslimerr like this. -
I actually documented how to adjust the timer resolution using ThrottleStop and a quick Google search found the info.
TimePeriodDC=16
For comparison purposes, early versions of ThrottleStop used a value of 1. WinTimerTester also uses a value of 1. Hopefully you can do some testing to see if the Windows default value of 16 causes micro stuttering. Windows actually uses 15.6 but ThrottleStop only lets you enter the nearest whole number and then rounds off accordingly. If this really makes that much of a difference then perhaps I will write a separate utility that lets you control this. I know everyone needs to make a living but the $10 that Lucas Hale wants for his utility seems a little high for what it does. If I charged $10 for every useful feature ThrottleStop has, I would be a rich man.Papusan likes this. -
Wow, this is fantastic. Thanks, Unclewebb! I'm going to start testing it right now. :thumbsup:
I'll be using a default value of 1 because I don't care about anything except performance. Battery run time is way overrated.
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I can't tell a difference for better or for worse, but I was not having any kinds of stuttering issues. I had already tweaked my registry for HPET before this, so that may be why I cannot tell any change. I will test it on an old Inspiron sitting in my closet to see if I can tell any difference. Nothing has been tweaked for HPET with that system.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have an old Core 2 Quad desktop with an AMD/ATi 5770 card and it seems that setting the timer resolution to a low number like 1 reduces the micro stuttering that it has always had. Hopefully after the weekend is done, Rideass can let us know if this setting changes his micro stuttering issues. If it does, I will add another line to the ThrottleStop Options window so this obscure setting can be easily adjusted.
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hi unclewebb,
just saw ur post on the y50 thread and just to ask a question:
-how do i enable full turbo boost and how to limit it to be 3.00 ghz max because i dont want my y50 to get overheated
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undertrip - You didn't tell me what processor model you have. If you want a maximum speed of 3.0 GHz then you will need to use a Set Multiplier value of 30T. T stands for Turbo Boost.
Check off the Log File option when gaming so you have a record of what your multiplier is doing while gaming.
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My apologies papusan. I kind of lost interest in working on ThrottleStop this year.
Too much football and hockey on TV this year. I never get any work done.
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Use ThrottleStop then. That's why you replied in this thread, amirite?
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Eh...yeah? EXACTLY to reduce clock speed. Am I missing the point?
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The ThrottleStop Guide
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by unclewebb, Nov 7, 2010.