26x multi means +100MHz compared to mine and so much better Gflops numbers? Is that extra 1MB L3 cache really makes difference?
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It's great to see the compatibility with Broadwell. I have an i7-5600u, would it be possible to extend my battery runtime by cutting the base core/cache voltage?
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This holds true with what I've been thinking. Even if it's two generations jumping, it ends up being worth it enough in raw IPC. Even if it's ~5-7% per gen, that ends up being more as passing generations go on. 5-7% of 107% ends up being a bit more than 114%. 15% boost isn't much to sneeze at, even though gen-to-gen it's not very impressive. Anybody on Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge I'd say has perfectly good reason to upgrade to skylake, if it suits them to do so. Unfortunately Skylake may also be TDP locked BGA in the mobile scene, but maybe desktop-CPU-using notebooks might become a bit more commonplace.
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Hello UW I am so glad to be using TS again. I have a broadwell i5 5200U and was wondering if there is anyway to change the package power limit above 15w. I have the dell xps 13 2015 edition and intel XTU and TS8.1 does not allow going beyond 15w. Is there a way you can do something like you did for the m11x? Force a TDP by software? Or is this a issue of bios unlocking in order to go past 15w. I remember on the Lenovo yoga pro 2 using haswell ULV at 25W instead of 15W (repasted the heatsink, overspun the fan to 125% and added some aggressive undervolting allowed the fans to keep up) made the performance significantly improve when playing games that taxed CPU and GPU to its max.
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Is it just me or do the TDP values set in ThrottleStop not work unless you are using Intel XTU? The computer will respect the TDP values of the lower of the two ThrottleStop and XTU. But if I uninstall XTU, ThrottleStop isn't able to raise the default 17W TDP anymore (the option is there it just doesn't work).
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From personal experience, ThrottleStop TDP settings work and stick, at least on desktop Haswell. And I'm quite glad of not having to use XTU at all.
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Can you try deleting the .ini file, restarting and starting with a fresh ThrottleStop profile?
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The Asus laptop I have with a 3rd Gen U CPU leaves this register unlocked so ThrottleStop 8.00 works fine on it.
One thing I have noticed with XTU is that for my Y510P, XTU shows that the power limits register is unlocked and lets me make adjustments even though this register is locked. For my CPU, power limit adjustments in XTU do not actually do anything. I am not sure how many laptops have this issue.
If anyone is having problems with any feature, I need to see specific screenshots. It would also be a good idea to run my MSR Finder program and take a snapshot of the registers so I can determine what the power limits and lock bit are set to.
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Is there a way to remove or rise the TDP of i7 4720HQ? So it can run on higher frequencies
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Just reporting. TS8's multiplier and voltage adjustments etc work great and are applied instantly and I have no problems. I have to click "overclock" to hit 3.8GHz on all cores, as you would expect, but interestingly enough, I can "overclock" to 3.7GHz on all cores (though my chip is only designed for 3.5GHz on 4 cores) without ticking the "overclock" box. Just figured I'd let you know about that interesting quip unclewebb.
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Hello unclewebb. I was recommended by user D2 Ultima to leave a post here about an issue I seem to be having with ThrottleStop 8.00. My processor is an Intel I7 4790K and my motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-Z97X UD7 TH (rev 1.0). I can't seem to benefit from the overclocking features. I initially OCed my processor in the BIOS to 4.7 GHz with success, but can't seem to replicate that in TS8. Thinking it was a conflict with the BIOS settings, I reset my BIOS to the defaults. Additionally, I disabled speedstep and the C states. However, I cannot get the multiplayer past 47T to 63T like in previous versions of TS8. When TS8 is turned on, I only get up to the default turboboost speed of 4.4GHz despite the multipliers for all four cores set to 47. If there's anything you can suggest to me, I will gladly try it. Here are screenshots of my options.
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These supposedly "locked" mobile CPUs are capable of far more than I ever dreamed possible. MrAngry on Tech|Inferno is taking out his anger on his 4700MQ. I like the results.
http://i59.tinypic.com/amqged.png
You mentioned that you have C States disabled but it looks like some of them might still be enabled. To check if any of these are enabled, click on the C6n button to open up the C States window. This should show 0.0 for all of them if your bios correctly disabled these.
You have to increase the multipliers in the FIVR window first before you can increase the Set Multiplier value on the main ThrottleStop screen.
Thank you for posting lots of pics. It makes it a lot easier trying to troubleshoot a problem when I have some screenshots to look at.
Edit - I have zero experience with a desktop Haswell CPU but I was just wondering, do you really need to use almost +0.30 V offset for the CPU Cache when overclocking? If you are going to be using a Static or fixed voltage for your CPU core, have you also considered using a Static voltage for the Cache instead of Adaptive?
So I can better see the multipliers, can you post a pic while the CPU is at least partially loaded. A few threads of the TS Bench might be enough load.
Thanks for the offer to help. I will see if I have some time later this week. I need to write a little testing program to see if I can find where the CPU Input voltage is hiding.Last edited: May 12, 2015 -
4800MQ is 3.5GHz on 3 & 4 cores, 3.6GHz on 2 cores and 3.7GHz on 1 core (max turbo) at default.
I have a max overclock ability of +400MHz, so I can end up at 3.9GHz on 3 and 4 cores, 4GHz on 2 cores and 4.1GHz on 1 core. That's the limit (without the BIOS unblocking that Dufus and Mr. Angry have) that 4800MQs can do. The inborne OC limits of the "locked" MQ & HQ chips for Haswell are as follows:
47xxxQ = +200MHz
48xxxQ = +400MHz
49xxxQ = +600MHz
49x0MX = unlocked (as you know).
What I found interesting was that if I maxed out my OC bins in Throttlestop but did NOT check "overclock" above the turbo bins, it would set 3.7GHz (the default 1-core turbo boost) but for all four cores.
If I DID check "overclock", I could pass the 3.7GHz barrier.
So, on a 4900MQ for example, which defaults to 3.6GHz on 4 cores and 3.8GHz on 1 core, if I were to set 4.2GHz on 4 cores (the max it'll go for 4 cores) but NOT check "overclock", it would only hit 3.8GHz on 4 cores.
I just found that was interesting behaviour, and when I find nice little quips about programs I tell the creators if I can =D. You should see what I tell the guy who writes Open Broadcaster Software. Man, I streamed while playing using Stereoscopic 3D and gave him the results and all XD. -
Hey tribaljet. Believe me when I say that I have tried it all.
unclewebb, yes, my multipliers have all been set to 47 in the FIVR window. Set Multiplier was unticked in the screenshot because at that point, I had more or less given up. It wasn't making a difference. I also believe that CPU cache offset value may be default. See, I never touched that setting in the first place. When I just did and set it to static then saved, my PC crashed. I don't even know how, so I don't know if it's the BIOS' doing when I set everything back to defaults. My Turbo power limits were also set on auto (not by me, but by default) The C6n window does show 0.0 in every field, so all C states are disabled indeed.
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That is why I think what you found is not a special ThrottleStop feature. I think what you discovered is only going to be possible if the bios initially sets your CPU up to turbo values that are different than the official Intel specification. This will happen in the background within the bios so you will not have an option in the bios to control the feature that you found. I am pretty sure that if I installed your 4800MQ in my motherboard and I set ThrottleStop up exactly as you have set it up, your 4800MQ would run faster in your motherboard compared to when it was installed in my motherboard because of a slight difference in how your bios sets up your CPU. You can send me your 4800MQ if you would like me to test this for you. I will try to remember to return it to you.I love processors that fit in sockets!
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BUT YES. SOCKETED CHIPS >
Also. I set throttlestop's current limit to 256 and I don't EDP throttle in XTU's benchmark test anymore, so the current limit works perfectly here. I forgot to mention this. Your programs works awesomely as well as power limits and stuff.Last edited: May 12, 2015 -
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Your cache ratio is at 80 but you're limiting it to 40 at the same time; you could drop that to 40 normally. Hell you could drop that to "8" if you wanted.
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On the right hand side of the FIVR window, the "Limit Offset Range" option is checked. For safety reasons, this limits the amount of adjustment to only 125 mV which is not enough for your CPU. In your situation, this box needs to be cleared. When this box is checked, if you click on OK, your CPU will probably crash because the CPU Cache Voltage is going to go from +300 mV to only +125 mV. The next version of ThrottleStop makes this option a little easier to understand. That option might have been preventing you from making offset voltage adjustments.
My suggestion to try and lower your offset cache voltage or to switch that to a Static voltage was mentioned to protect your CPU from long term damage. Do you know exactly how much voltage is being applied to your CPU Cache when it is set to Adaptive +300 mV offset? Me neither. With these settings, if you run any stress tests like Prime95 that use the AVX2 instructions, your CPU cache might be getting far more voltage than you want to imagine. Excessive voltage can kill a CPU.
D2 Ultima - If you are bored, why not do a benchmark comparison with different cache ratios. Use ThrottleStop to lock the CPU Cache Min / Max to 8 and then do another test with the Min Max locked to 36 or 40 or whatever you normally use. Some mathematical type benchmarks (wPrime or SuperPi) that are memory dependent, appreciate a faster cache. Other apps like gaming benchmarks; not so much. Some hard numbers might be interesting and will keep you out of trouble today. Thanks for your feedback about the current settings. I should be able to release the next beta before the weekend with a few minor improvements and bug fixes.Last edited: May 12, 2015D2 Ultima likes this. -
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Based on that, you should be perfectly safe if you decide to increase your current limit some more.AndiiiHD likes this. -
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ok thanks a lot to all of you :-D because my W230SS shares the heatpipes with the GPU i'll at first try something moderate between 70-80
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i have ARCTIC MX-4 at the moment (on GPU and CPU) which one would you say is better ? How much difference in the temps could be expected - i think it will only be around 2-3° or am i wrong?
i have set my powerlimit to 70 and now i can hold stable 3,2GHz with Prime95 on four cores instead of the 2,9GHz i had before. Temps in the End 80's.... so my cooling gets to its limit (NVIDIA 860m GPU was not used at this moment :-/ ) but its good to know my little 13,3" is able to do this when needed.... Also Prime95 is really the maximum stress that can happen to my laptop. And it's a +10% increase !
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ok i'll order the Gelid - dont want to go offtoppic here but which application method do you recommend? Usually i put a little drop into the middel of the die and put the heatsink on top......
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Is Turbo Ratio Limits/overclock check box in FIVR window supposed to work with ULVs? Can I push max multiplier with 2 active cores? I was playing with it on a 4200U and it seems I can push 2 cores active to 26 (default is 23) until a load is on CPU and goes down to 23 again. doesn't appear to be a TDP limit as it's not even close to hitting it.
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On my Core i7-4700MQ, I noticed that Intel XTU gives me the option to adjust the turbo power limits.
http://i.imgur.com/fuqzpRh.png
The problem is that this option does not actually work because the bios set the lock bit on the turbo power limits register. If you would like to test your computer for this problem, run CPU-Z, click on the About tab and then click on the Save Report (.TXT) button. Open this file with Notepad and have a look for this line.
Code:MSR 0x00000610 0x804281D6 0x00DC8178
FYI, the last 3 digits in the first part of that register, 1D6, and the last 3 digits in the second part, 178, represents the short and long term turbo power limits. These numbers are in hexadecimal so they need to first be converted to decimal.
0x1D6 = 470
470 / 8 = 58.75 Watts
0x178 = 376
376 / 8 = 47.0 Watts
While playing around with CPU-Z you can also check the status of the Current Limit.
Code:MSR 0x00000601 0x00101414 0x800002A8
0x2A8 = 680
680 / 8 = 85 Amps
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Oh yeah, another thing Unclewebb. Since I've started using TS8 with the timer resolution set to "1", my windows clock has not become de-synced from internet time. So I don't think you PLANNED for that to happen, but you've improved on your program in that way as opposed to the old "TimePeriodAC=1" method too.
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I wish I was getting some more feedback about this new option. I think dropping the clock resolution down to 1 might help fix a few micro stuttering issues. I read one blog that suggested doing this was a bad idea but no data was provided to prove this one way or the other. Do you get smoother frame rates when set to 1? -
All the research I did stated that it causes the system itself to update quite a bit more often and potentially draw more power, but I have yet to see any real proof of that while doing load testing or in any temperature scenarios. I did notice that my windows clock consistently became de-synced using TS7, but then I noticed I hadn't needed to manually re-sync it since I started using TS8, even though the timer has been set to 1 the whole time. I had originally thought something was wrong with my BIOS, because it would not remain synced no matter what I did, and even though windows was set to automatically sync the clock, it would never remain synced.
I started noticing the de-sync by speaking with people on steam. Sometimes I'd send a message at say... 8:20pm and the person would reply at 8:19pm right after my message. When I synced things my clock would move back a few seconds, but then would slowly de-sync again. Whatever you did with re-writing throttlestop seems to have fixed that. That timer resolution issue was the best thing that I ever came across for Windows 8's performance improvements.
And now things are even better. I MUCH rather use TS8 for overclocking/CPU adjustments. It's far nicer to use than XTU, and is quicker/easier to make adjustments with, as well as being lightweight. You're the author of the program and I don't even think you understand how much better and how amazing TS8 is right now XD. -
Hai UncleWebb,,
I've been usin TS since TS7b3 , its so great n ive been grateful for this nice lil Program . I use it on Me Lenovo Y50 to stop Throttling due to 65C temp limit & CPU + dGPU max turbo limitation.
I tried to play around w turbo mlp and Undervolting to saves some TDP head room oso to lower cpu temps. Due to my ambient temps is ard 30 ~ 33 C w/o air conditioned so it saves me from over heating or unnecessary excessive heat.
regarding ur info above on the lock bits of haswell mCPU , i use an 4710HQ , n my report from CPUZ for those particular 2 registers as follows :
Code:MSR 0x00000601 0x00101414 0x000002F8 MSR 0x00000610 0x804281D6 0x00DC8178
Im setting my highest turbo for 35x 1 core , n for 4 cores are 32x . w/ undervolting ard -75mV seems quite stable . higher than -80mV seems to randomly crashed.
been great to boost playin game that eats CPU n hv no throttling issue with dGPU as well.
above shown when usin max 30x for 4 cores n ard -75mV UV & OC'ing the GPU. ( seems temps on th sweet spots for CPU n GPU )
I thank you for the great program Uncle Webb, n would love to Donate some for your hard work , ...
Thanx a mill,
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If you're using 32x for 4 cores and you're getting 3GHz in Dying Light, you're throttling.
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it was shown to inform that , TS is really helpin me out on Y50 Throttlin issue with BIOS 1.14 . so yes Im happy to hv this laptop go on max w/o any issue anymore .
I hvnt tried the Unlocked BIOS for my Y50 , if it has the PL unlocked or not .
anyway , for i7 haswell out there that has this Factory BIOS throttlin , really worth to try TS 8 . Its just awesome.
Thanks to UncleWebb and all guys in this thread .
PS : how to properly undervolt cache voltage on this i7 4th gen ?? i still dont get it . changing cache ratio voltage brings me BSOD for multiplier above 35x .
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Oh, okay. Not a problem. If it was intentional then that's great. I'm glad you have your machine mostly working.
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Y50 CPU temps can get higher than 90c on multipliers higher than 31x on 4 cores, it's a cooling issue. It's even worse in CPU intensive games such as GTA V in which the CPU temp can get up to 85c on 28x. The GPU always maintains temps below 80c which is decent.
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Hello there!
I'd like to apologise in advance for my lack of knowledge and dumb questions. I seem to have a throttling problem with my Q9550 CPU. I had been running Dota 2 without any sort of problem for a year, then I formatted my comp and changed my motherboard from an Asus P5KPL-AM to an MSI G41 M P-33 Combo. A few days ago I wanted to play Dota for the first time since that, and I am experiencing periodic severe FPS drops that occur approx. every 3 minutes and last for one or so, completely ruining my gaming. I have downloaded TS, and after reading your guide, I noticed that in the left portion of the window the "Chip" values drop to 25 from 100 on all cores during the drops. Temps are completely okay (aroud 60 C each). So I guess that's throttling, my research tells me it's probably to save power. All other power saving functions are disabled/set to performance (afaik, I've checked the GPU program and the control panel. My system won't boot without ACPII or what, and I don't want to dabble in my BIOS without being sure about what I'm doing.) My question is...what do I do now to stop it? The multiplier is already at the maximum (8,5) and though I can check the boxes for clock modulation and chipset clock mod, I can't alter the numbers besides them (both at 100). VID is maxed at 1.2500.
(I see this is a forum for notebook users, but this thread seemed most likely to give me a solution.)
Thank you very much in advance!Last edited: May 15, 2015
The ThrottleStop Guide
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by unclewebb, Nov 7, 2010.