The ThrottleStop Guide

I guess it really isn't possible to break the HQ chips' TDP limits like that...

Well, hopefully Unclewebb will have something else to try with TS8 beta 3 when he's ready. If we get a breakthrough, this will be fantastic for all HQ chip users. Especially those with the GT72/GT80 laptops which could actually benefit from the unlocked power.

 

Tried to see if Ryzeki was interested in this http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...neration-line-up.776753/page-15#post-10032395 but went quite after that. :/

 

I have the TDP Unlocked in the Intel XTU and I can set any value above 47W, however the CPU still throttles down to 47W after the Short Turbo Boost turns off. I guess that something else is controlling this. Anyway, my laptop will not be able to handle that much heat (lenovo y50). I am getting around 85°C with TDP of 47W...

 

He probably went to sleep; maybe he'll reply later today. I need to sleep soon myself XD.

 

That's by design of the HQ chips. Read my mobile i7 guide for more information.

 

Hey Guys,

Sorry for intruding, I did use the search tool to try and find something about the i7-4980HQ but nothing popped up, so I thought I'd ask here :

Did anyone here have any success using Throttlestop to.. stop the throttling on the new Alienware R2 ? It plunges down to 2800 MHz as soon as you are in game and as soon as you alt + TAB it jumps back to 3900-4000 MHz. I feel it's mocking me . (I do have the 240W PSU btw)

I have downloaded TS 8.00 Beta, but have no idea how to configure it, and quite frankly I don't have any experience with overclocking so although i've been reading up on it, all the options may as well be in chinese (Ok i'm exagerating but almost ! ).

Anyway if anyone actually managed to do it, or if you guys already know that i can't be done, i'd love to know !

Cheers !

 

I'm going to be VERY honest with you.

Right now, the best fix for your laptop is to return it and buy a Clevo or MSI.

That's it.

I'm serious.

If you can afford it, just get a P770ZM-G and enjoy your unhindered, unfiltered gaming glory.

Until then however, the first page should have information on how to get throttlestop to hold your max clocks, but I don't know if the alienware throttle issue can bypass that.

 

Thank you, thank you for your honesty. I am just returning this second to my laptop to write a post that was leaning in this direction :

It was buying this Alienware that made me take interest in what's inside it, and what lead me to this excellent website. After posting my message I thought "Oh, why not try running Prime95 and HWinfo on my old laptop see how much my Alienware crushed it regardless of throttling".

My old laptop is an Asus K75VM with a magnificient, a true gem of a CPU now that I think of it. 3610QM, Gtx 630M (Not that good, but it ran TW2 for me and all the games I wanted to play in a medium-high). The laptop cost me 800 Euros. The AW17 cost me 2800 Euros.

I launch Prime95 and I am astonished. The 3610QM held a 3000 MHz after 3 years of playing on my lap on my bed cover, enduring temps of 85-90°C for 200 or so hours of gameplay. Without ever giving me a blue screen. (Yes, I am ashamed, but it was a very cold winter, and it warmed my bed^^). It didn't even flinsh. Jumped right to 3000 and I'm here with this brand new expensive laptop that can't hold 2800MHz.

I really want to love this laptop. I love the design (First Alienware, kinda of a teenage dream) but I can't kick the feeling that this thing in front on me is not worth the 2800 Euros at all.

Now I am left wondering, did I choose the right time to invest in a laptop ? I read rumors about a "Pascal" (?) GPU comming next year, there is Direct X12 comming up... and I have until the 21/08/2015 to send it back for refund. And I think it's going back.

I' ll keep my laptop for now and wait for 2016-2017 to show what innovation it holds would be the smartest thing to do. Could you share your thoughts on that ?

Edit : Wrote that I was going to buy a new one now, but after consideration I'll save my money and wait. Sorry for the confusion

 

They made it like this in order to keep low temps during heavy gaming. Look, the 2.8Ghz are not going to bottleneck the GPU thus ruin your gaming experience at all. However it is silly to advertise or sell something and yet to limit its functionality. ThrottleStop might be able to solve this. Just open it, click on the Turn On button and check the multiplier box to (40T).

As for the price, please have in mind that you are buying the brand as well(build quality, support, design) not only the hardware. For me 2800 Euro is too much (not that I can't afford it) for such device. There are other brands with similar performance that cost nearly as half as this laptop.

If you are planning to purchase something less expensive you may look at those XMG which are Clevo I think http://www.mysn.de/xmg

 

Yeah of course I had that in mind, I am buying the design, and most importantly the at domicile warranty. But the fact that I need throttlestop on this "gaming machine" to get out of my CPU what a 3 year old cheap laptop can give me, is kinda depressing. I tried TS with the mutiplier, unfortunately to no avail, but thanks for the tip !

I have decided to keep my loyal laptop for now, and wait and see. I truly hope that I am not going to have a bad surprise tomorrow with Dell refusing to refund or not to refund the taxes (400 Euros of taxes^^') but eh I'll stay positive. I appreciate the laptop suggestions, but I think I am more curious about what Q2 2016 - 2017 holds, and will be patient until then to see what is offered. Now that I know the existence of this website, I will make sure to come here for advice before I purchase anything, it would have spared me a lot of trouble ! But I guess, you have to, at least once, experience it yourself.

Sorry about the confusion, I updated my other post, again thanks for your suggestions though !

 

That's no excuse. Build better CPU cooling if that's the case.

Play GTA V, don't force a GPU bottleneck, and see how fast you get bottlenecked by a 2.8GHz CPU and drop below 60fps.

This is a good choice. In particular the P770ZM is fantastic if you want uncompromised power and control over your settings.

There's no "right" or "wrong" time to invest in a laptop, unless new cards are rumored to be ~2 weeks away and you buy the old cards. Otherwise, nobody would ever buy a machine. Pascal is nVidia's next architecture and is a minimum of 7 months away by my guess; probably longer.

I would tell you that returning the laptop and buying a Clevo like the P770ZM, but it would easily keep you until 2017 (and if MXM GPUs are still being made, then you could likely simply remove the 980M from your P770ZM and put in the new one). There'll be no throttling once you have temps under control, and you'll have good control over your system once you get something like a Prema BIOS and vBIOS installed.

Of course, if you really want to keep the AW, that is up to you... but on principle I can't accept products designed to be broken. Especially if they're more expensive than ones that aren't.

 

Are my services still required?

 

Yes. You were summoned, await instructions and/or a throttlestop version from Unclewebb. XD

 

The problem that I was talking about earlier was the Alienware problem where turbo boost gets completely disabled and the CPU runs at a fixed 2800 MHz while gaming. Does anyone know if this happens while playing a game in a window so you can watch ThrottleStop while this throttling is happening? I think I have seen screenshots of this. Also, if you have a recent Allienware laptop with a different HQ processor that disables turbo boost then could you try running this test.

Try running the Dufus - Dump tool while this is happening so I can have a look at the CPU registers and copy and paste the data to www.pastebin.com and post a link here.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-335#post-10059378

If I see anything interesting, I will come up with a suggestion to try and disable this type of throttling. I am not sure what is possible.

There is nothing I can do with other laptops that throttle because they have reached the 47 watt TDP limit. The problem that I would like to solve is where the CPU disables all turbo boost and drops down under the 47 watt limit. That is just wrong, especially if the CPU is not over heating.

@ Cakefish - Thanks for your offer to help.

 

Hi unclewebb,
I am volunteer for the test.
I have Y50 with 4720HQ so Can you explain the process step by step in order to start testing?

 

Hi unclewebb,

I have been looking all over for this Dufus - Dump tool and can't find anything other than a few references to it on this website ^^' I came to the conclusion that it must be something integrated inside Throttlestop, now the question is, is it still there on 8.00 and if yes, where ? I'd download the 6.0 but I wouldn't know where to look for it anyhow so, I'll await your advice.

 

Check his signature.

 

Yep, I see TS 6 / 8 and The TS Guide, could you point me to Dufus ?

 

He attached it as a zip a few pages back (4-5??)

 

So I searched and searched and I must be blind because I can't find it. What I did find however is that you too provided a Dump.txt file, could you tell me how to do that ? I don't even need it, it's just to give Unclewebb some data with the 4980HQ he asked for ^^.

 

Its here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-335#post-10059378

 

Hello and thanks for answering me,

I saw that one, all it says is "run the following" and I didn't understand it, however I just openned TS and after a few minutes of searching I see "Log file " just in front on me on the bottom left corner, so I feel very stupid, but I'm happy I found it ^^' According to other posts it saves the file in the TS directory so I'm going to game for 15-20 minutes and post the results.

 

TS log file and that dump file are different things. I believe @unclewebb asked you to run the Dumper and provide the data from the dump.txt. so he can take a look of the registers.

 

Oh.. My.. God.. It's a .zip ... And all this time I overlooked it thinking it was a .txt ... Apologies !

Well I have some news, my computer just completely froze using TS with these settings :

http://imgur.com/nI5d8Y3

I'm going to just run the Dump without any other software and get the results back here.

Thanks a lot for helping me !

Edit : So concerning the Dump.exe, do I play for 15mn and then launch it or do I do it before and after ? I doesent launch anything it just creates a file.

 

Lately i'm having the same "issue"..once in a while when i startup windows throttlestop may stay unminimised. Most of the times though it starts minimised.

 

hello, I would like to ask a question.

I own an IB Dell Latitude E6430 and I upgraded i7-3720QM. I have used UEFI variable to unleashed the unlocked multipliers (x38,x39,x40) and also set long power limit 100W and short power limit 128W.

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The problem is that after a short period of time (2-3 min) of 100% load no matter if I use ThrottleStop or not my CPU will throttle @ x26. And then again @ x38 full turbo and throttles again. This was clearly TDP Throttling (could see that in Throttlestop) before I set the power limits (100W/128W) but know it seems to be something else, like BIOS would throttle the CPU.



It doesn't seem like a temperature throttle either. Any ideas???

Package power @ x26 is ~30W while @ x38 is ~ 56W when running prime95

I use an 130W Dell adapter. Using an non-Dell adapter would throttle my CPU @ x9 (being an invalid adapter) while with ThrottleStop I am not able to go to anything over x30 (even if I set x38-39-40-63).

 

@unclewebb so I launched Dump.exe before and after playing (While the game was still running). It would not surprise me if that was not what you asked for, so if you need anything please tell me what.

It's the 4980HQ with 980M on the Alienware 17R2 2015 (240W PSU)

Here is the Dump.txt : http://pastebin.com/KBweAJSg

Edit : Did another test with the multiplier set at 40.

It held the 3900 MHz for about 2 minutes then : http://imgur.com/vKrJkYi,MTTl1hL#0

And this is right after exiting TW3 : http://imgur.com/vKrJkYi,MTTl1hL#1

 

I am starting to believe that we may have the same issue...
Maybe BIOS throttles the CPU after a short period of time if you exceed the TDP limit, disregarding any change made on the TDP limits?

Could you run a torture test (prime95, linpack or TS Bench) that would trigger 100% load and check the powerpackage that ThrottleStop reports? Is it above the long power limit?

How long does it stay at maximum multiplier?

 

Software : Prime95 | Torture Test : Blend | Lenght : 5 minutes

It held 39 for exactly 1 minute and 30 seconds.

Here is the copy of the log, start at : 18:58:22

http://pastebin.com/37Pjyw2K

I wouldn't know if we have the same problem, what I can tell you is that I haven't found a solution ^^.

On a side note, I contacted Dell to send it back and get the refund. And I am astonished. They were sorry that I wasn't pleased with the performance of the CPU, didn't try to persuade me to keep it, offered me a full refund AND to keep the pricey Alienware Backpack for free, it will be included in the refund. Now this Alienware has flaws, but the quality of Dell's customer service really is truly extraordinary.

So aside from that, I have it until Thursday 20, so if anyone wants to gather data or wants me to check anything with the 4980HQ, I'll try to help any way I can.

 

Why is your PP0 power limit set to 10? Can you try setting that to 100 and seeing if TS still throttles like that?

Also, try disabling BDPROCHOT and see if it works.

Isn't that default settings except for voltage? That should not freeze anything.

@Thurkar you're being limited to 47W, which is standard HQ chip behaviour. Check my mobile i7 guide in my sig for more info

 

Yep I already read your guide a few days ago, very informative thank you very much for writing it.

And yes I saw you or unclewebb repeat that several times in this thread, that it was the 47W and that nothing could be done about that, that's why I headed your advice and sent it back for refund.

About the freeze it could have been some other program, I honestly don't know, I forced-shutdown and restart and everything is fine now.

 

Well okay. P770ZM new laptop I assume?

 

I am going to wait for the laptop that makes me say "Well, I'm glad I waited !". I have until January 2017 until I have to get a new laptop so I have time, and hope ^^. This time though I'll be checking every single thing about the laptop before buying it and I am sure I will find all the information I need here . Perhaps i'll build a desktop for 1000-1200 Euros and have my old laptop for mobility, in that price range If I understand correctly I can get the 980 and a decent i5 for Witcher 3 (It's absolutely too much for my poor 630M ^^).

 

@Thurkar You can try the attached program to override your 47W limits if you wish and see if there are any other throttling schemes. It sets a 60W long term and 75W short term (28 seconds). Restart or sleep to reset back to original limits.

 

Dell bios Restriction?

Set PP0 to 100 as advised, disabled BDPROCHOT as advised.

I saw no difference...

 

Okay, I'll have to let Unclewebb and Dufus handle this then. I don't know as much as they do about dealing with these limits, sadly. I just absorb most of what they say and assimilate it like some kind of mutant information sponge =D.

 

@D2 Ultima, looks like your on the ball to me.

Looking at Thurkar's dump both MSR and memory mapped settings are set for 47W long time with clamp feature set meaning the possibility dropping down to under base frequency under heavy loads. The attachment I posted for him should remove the clamp and lock to 60W if he wants to try it. However there's also the possibility of the firmware using additional throttling techniques if it can no longer use those registers. Will not know unless it's tried. That 1 1/2 minutes of high multi's looked to be due to power consumption being below 47W.

 

Hi.

I have a Lenovo Y40-70 with an i7-4510U. My GPU (AMD R9 M275x) has recently started to throttle itself while gaming, diving from 925/1000 MHz to 300/400 MHz. This occurs even at a GPU core temperature of 66 degrees Celsius.

I am not a particularly tech-savvy person myself, but I was wondering if ThrottleStop could help solve or alleviate my issue.

Thank you for your time.

 

First, ensure that in power management you have "PCI Link management" set to "off". This will ensure your card will run full power. Then make sure you're set to whatever the "max performance" option is in the graphics control panel. Then run your game with GPU-Z in the background, and this will show you the reason your GPU is downclocking. The only way throttlestop could be of assistance is if your GPU is throttling due to TDP limit (not getting enough wattage) because your CPU is hogging it. IF this is the case, then TS could be used to limit your clocks so your CPU draw as much power and your GPU will be able to run at full clocks.

That said, it's probably something other than TDP limits so go check with GPU-z and report back.

 

Hello,

Please find below the test after using the 60W zip you procurred :

http://imgur.com/HoVb8kV


(Spoiler : It didn't work Same everything)

 

When using ThrottleStop, SpeedStep needs to be enabled for the Set Multiplier function to work and you also need to click on the Turn On button in ThrottleStop to take ThrottleStop out of Monitoring mode. This takes care of the basics. If you are still having throttling problems then you can try some more options to see if that makes a difference. Set Multiplier is enough to take care of the throttling in the Lenovo Y510P and Y50 and probably quite a few other Lenovo laptops.

That is the new type of throttling that I would like to solve.

My theory is that this type of throttling might be caused by the PP0 Power Limit. Open up the ThrottleStop - Turbo Power Limits (TPL) window to access this. The 4980HQ has a TDP of 47 Watts. After booting up, I would click on TPL, check the PP0 Power Limit box, check the Lock option box and then I would set this to 47 or 58. After that, click on OK. Go use your computer and see if you can get it to lock up at the 28 multiplier.

The Lock option locks the PP0 register. If this testing does not work out, you will need to either delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file or go into that file and delete this line

PP0POWERLIMITEAX=

After that, reboot and this will unlock the PP0 register. Using ThrottleStop to Lock this register will prevent other software from using this register to Power throttle your CPU.

Thanks for all the data that has been posted. When I have more time I will have a better look at the numbers to see what I can figure out.

@ timohour - Did you try checking the Set Multiplier option? That should be set to the same value as the highest turbo multiplier.

 

Thank you so much for your help!

Here are my GPU settings from GPU-Z: http://puu.sh/jFSpH/391a81e51f.png
My GPU runs at 70-80 degrees celsius while playing games.

I have also adjusted the PCI settings as you suggested. The gpu clock diving still persists in occasional stuttering, but the main problem seems to have been alleviated for the time being.



During the forementioned stuttering and diving:

1. The GPU clock dived down from 925/1000 to 400/305.
2. There was no significant change in GPU temperature or Dedicated & Dynamic Memory.
3. The GPU load (%) dropped from 96-98 to 64 during the stuttering (3-8 seconds in length), and for an additional 5-7 seconds afterwards (while the clock was back up to 925/1000).

These were my observations from the log files. Fan Speed was not recorded in any way.


Once again, thank you for taking the time to read through my stuff and help me with this problem!

Edit: the GPU diving problem is still persisting. I am going to manually clean my laptop and possibly reapply thermal paste in a few days if a software solution cannot be discovered.

 

I tried to include as much information as possible, in case I did something wrong along the process, it would be easier to point out.

First, I restarted my laptop. After boot, I opened ThrottleStop and set the settings like this :

http://i.imgur.com/G5HDgsD.jpg

(I just realized I took the screenshot before setting the 47W, but yeah, I didn't forget it ^^)

The result : http://i.imgur.com/W5sMxv5.jpg

The ThrottleStop Log : http://pastebin.com/7iUEg4cj

The Dump : http://pastebin.com/uGfm7764

Then, I deleted the INI in the ThrottleStop folder, and restarted my computer. Opened up ThrottleStop again and set like this :

http://i.imgur.com/HWDUlLL.jpg

The result : http://i.imgur.com/ZMJ7SmL.jpg

The ThrottleStop Log : http://pastebin.com/vEMWXpxD

The Dump : http://pastebin.com/QGtwnbVy

I imagine you didn't have high expectation either ^^ I hope there is some data here that could prove useful to you, if some of it is useless and I shouldn't have bothered with it, please tell me, I really have no idea . If I configured TS wrong, I'm ready for more testing.

Cheers !

 

You need to go to the "sensors" tab which shows clicks. Play until you get hitching, then switch to the other tab and check the throttling reason in the sensors tab. Mouse over it and it will tell you what the code means, then report back.

I don't know how ATI drivers work, but if there is an option for "use max clocks" then make sure that's checked.

 

Thanks for running the test, but need to see the another dump file.

Run 60W app then run stress test as in your post 3431, while stress test is running run Dumper, stop stress test, post text file results. I should have been clearer, sorry.

 

Over the past 2 weeks I've had a couple hard crashes on my blade, both while using youtube in multiple windows at once. It doesn't BSOD, the mouse simply stutters then the screen hangs until I reboot. Does this sound like it could be caused by the intel GPU undervolt?

 

@ Thurkar - Can you read that informative post from unclewebb.

From what I see so far, this is not looking good. I will check out your numbers some more tomorrow. Thanks for sharing.

One last thing to try would be to Lock the PP0 register to zero. Normally a setting of zero tells the CPU to ignore this register. There are registers hiding here, there and everywhere. ThrottleStop might not have access to the register that is holding your CPU to the 28 multiplier. This is not normal but besides returning your laptop, there might not be anything you can do about this.

 

@unclewebb - I have set multiplier to x40 but after a while

you can see the spikes on the XTU graph.

Without ThrottleStop it would throttle to x26 for longer periods. and then back again to x38.


Since XTU doesn't show any CPU Throttling (I can see it stays @ 0%) I think I can say it is a bios restriction that bypasses the long and short power duration limits set in the NVRAM when using a Dell Power Adapter..

One solution supplied by Khenglish is use a non Dell power adapter with invalid ID. This way it throttles CPU and GPU. Using Throttlestop I can set my CPU to ran @ 3,8GHz steadily... but there is no way to stop the throttling on the dGPU and with an invalid adapter I can't charge my battery.

Any ideas?

 

most probably - yes.

mine GPU sometime cause "driver restart" when I set it to -90mV, but never do so at -60mV.

graphics freeze - more hard to recognize source of the problem comparing to graphics driver restart ...

I would recommend to reduce undervoltage and test again ...
if problem persists - then there are other problem

 

Never use XTU and other deep CPU controlling software together ...
That why you might get unpredictable results