The Ultimate AMD Trinity Notebook List

Yeah that was discussed a bit earlier: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...2-amd-fusion-info-thread-168.html#post9111684

Could be as much as 8GB if it's similar to PS4.

 

I would expect the GDDR5 is not for system RAM, but dedicated VRAM, like sideport memory AMD used with its IGPs. The Kaveri will have GDDR5 controller and a DDR3 controller to be used simulataneously I would expect. Because GDDR5 would be espensive compared to DDR3/4, so you would have like 8GB DDR3 system RAM and 1GB GDDR5 VRAM in a notebook APU probably.

 

Not if it works out as it was noted. There was no system RAM or RAM slots on the prototype board, only GDDR5.

 

AMD mentioned that APUs since Trinity will have a unified memory controller for easier GPU compute programming. Which means the CPU and GPU has to access the same memory system.

I think GDDR5 will only be used in low-memory requirements such as tablets, or in rare high-end laptops, given the fact that they must be soldered and thus require more surface area than two DDR3 sticks.

 

Its is already known to have both controllers onboard. And by sharing unified memory I believe they really mean all of the cores, CPU and GPU share an L3 tpye RAM on the chip. Obviously they have been sharing system RAM already, both the CPU cores and GPU cores running off DDR3 system RAM. But that is a bottleneck for the GPU cores and not the CPU cores so much.

 

More surface area, but they can be fit into a thinner profile. Anybody know if their plan is to essentially dual-channel the GDDR5 on the motherboard, or would a single-channel GDDR5 setup be equal or superior in speed to dual-channel DDR3? Naturally, if it's single versus single it's a no-brainer, but I'd rather have 8GB dual-channel DDR3 than 4GB single-channel GDDR5 if performance is roughly the same.

 

GDDR5 is designed to be parallel since timings are usually much higher than traditional system RAM. This is why I question this decision. CPU tends to process more or less sequentially, unless things are programmed multi-threaded, but many things just can't be. GPU operations improve with parallel but CPU operations traditionally don't, to a point. In any case this will enhance GPU performance, but further restrict CPU performance imho. AMD can't afford to reduce their CPU performance any more than it is if they want to keep up with Intel to some extent.

 

Thanks for that, that's some good information. I always assumed the G label on GDDR4 and GDDR5 was basically an acknowledgement that DDR4 and DDR5 were not ready for mass-market adoption, but were worth producing for graphics use. So old GDDR4 is not the same memory as the DDR4 that will be coming into use in the next year or two?

 

Would adding more cache to the CPU compensate for the switch to GDDR5?

GDDR4 is based off of DDR3, meant to replace GDDR3 which was based off of DDR2, but GDDR5 (also based off of DDR3) replaced the 4th version within a year.

 

Old new buts still looks impressive, would like to get my hands on that Fujitsu tablet. This is based on the Z-60 APU (Hondo), next gen Temash will be twice as fast with GCN and twice the cores.
AMD FirePro APU tablet running SolidWorks 2013


I need the Biz Link DisplayPort adapter shown here with the GX60.


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Where's my Richland dang it?

 

I've been toying with the idea of getting a Windows tablet and Temash looks pretty good.

 

would one of you A8 pilots mind posting your best WEI numbers?
I'm curious about something...

 

35w or 19w?

EDIT: This is one of my customer's HP Pavilion G6 with an A8-4500M:

 

well atleast Netflix users of low end AMD apus won't have stuttering in HD Netflix switching to HTML5 video from Silverlight - SlashGear

 

Silverlight until 2021? Wow what forward planning. It will probably be dead well before then when HTML 5 finally makes a strong presence. Same with Flash. Bye bye bloated code.

 

A8 Liano / 8GB / HD 7690m

 

thank you both.
I was looking at a good price on the Acer V-series 15 thinking I might sell my Core 2 desktop HTPC rig if it the a8 had a significant advantage.
it has a radeon 5570 card now. seems I'd do better to just replace the card.

 

Sadly, no bare A10-5750m's have popped up for sale yet. Or, none that I can find.

 

Someone is selling a used HP m6 with an A10 for $389 on ebay.
HP Pavilion M6 1035DX 15 6" 640 GB AMD A10 2 3 GHz 6 GB Notebook Black 16802096 | eBay

 

Good buy, I would consider if ships to Europe. Does this model has backlit keyboard? The one thing what I do not like with HP laptops, the USB ports are too close to each other. Currently using a Pavilion G4 Llano A8 and I cannot stick two USB stick near each other. It was never problem with Dell Vostro 3555...

 

Since it's from ebay isn't it supposed to ship almost anywhere in the world? Also that's exactly the model in one of the threads you commented on , this one http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/674188-hp-pavilion-m6-1035dx-amd-a10-trinity-first-impressions-teardown-pics-schematic-request.html.

As for the USBs being too close to each other on hp laptops that I don't know aabout since I never had one, but judging from the pictures it looks far enough to me, at least as far if not better than my N56DP, and I don't have any problems with USB in that, I can easily plug in both a mouse and a keyboard and they don't even touch each other. A really wide USB flash drive may be an issue but you can always plug that on the other side since this thing has 4 of them, 3 of which are USB 3 if what I found is true.

Also this model is the older Pavilion m6 (black) the newer M6 is an Envy model I believe and that one is silver/white.

 

I remember now and I was considering this model, because pretty and has backlit keyboard. I sad never again 15,6" laptop, but for $400 I would reconsider this model.
I checked again the USB ports distance, but it really looks the same as in my Pavilion G4... Yes, a mouse or a iphone plug just can fit near each other, but pendrive always have to go to the other side and what if I want plug two pendrives?

 

I have a similar issue going on with my 6475b. When I want to use both my 64GB USB 3.0 flash drives (x2) I cannot connect them into the two USB 3.0 ports that came with this laptop. They are a little too close in my opinion too and could have been separated just a little more. My 64GB USB 3.0 flash drives actually have really slim and thin cases, unlike a lot of other USB flash drives in this capacity. Still, they are not slim enough to fit side by side. I could always connect them with short USB 3.0 extension cables if I really wanted to. Otherwise, my current solution was to add a powered 54mm dual-USB 3.0 ExpressCard for an additional 2 more ports. Now I can have 4 USB 3.0 ports all the time (up to 8 USB 3.0 ports when using my dock), and 3 of these flash drives connected at once is now possible. The ExpressCard USB 3.0 ports are far enough apart that I could connect two of my flash drives at once. The only con though is that this dual-USB 3.0 ASMedia ExpressCard is a little slower (reads and writes) than the onboard AMD USB 3.0 ports are. However, they still operate at USB 3.0 speeds so its much faster than USB 2.0.

EDIT: I highly recommend this 64GB USB 3.0 flash drive from Team Group. The physical dimensions, price, capacity and performance are simply phenomenal. It also carries a Lifetime Warranty and registering the device is easy and fast. The cap may be lost easily and the white text scratches/rubs off pretty easily but the aluminium case is durable enough and helps transfer some of the heat generated by the microelectronics. Overall its a great USB 3.0 flash drive with a fairly large capacity and performance that may beat some HDDs and come close to older SSDs.

http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/filterable_product/tabs_detail/data/en/11/595/zfKsFi.html

 

Nice. I have a 64GB Patriot Rage USB 3.0 drive and a 16GB Corsair Voyager USB 2.0 on my keychain. They are both fairly wide. I may look at that Team USB 3.0 drive though because I do have that issue frequently where I can't plug in sometimes because of the other USB items next to it.

 

I have seen those Rage drives, they are quite fat and some are very durable because of the rubber cases they make them with. Definitely try to get one of these Team drives on sale HT! Newegg has these usually going for $35 w/ free shipping. I'm considering a 4th unit but will wait for another sale (I'll post if they send me an email again).

I forgot to say that I haven't had any problems with these drives yet (one month old), but when i do and i have to RMA them to Team I will report back on my experience with that. I hope it never has to come to that. I've had a Kingston 2GB USB 2.0 (Phison controller) drive for many years and its still going today. I finally replaced it with these Team drives. I really needed to step it up and id say i got my moneys worth for it. I'll probably just give it to my dad, he works with word documents mostly.

Let's see USB 3.0, 64GB, slim and only $35/each (and Lifetime Warranty) seemed like a no brainer. I was sketchy of the brand Team and their reputation for quality products. Whatever, it was only $35 so I gave them a try. I'm using one full-time at work for software installation (sequential reads up to 120 MB/s, sequential writes up to 70MB/s). So far so good, I'll let ya'll know if i run into any issues.

When I first got it, I wanted to see what scores it put up just for fun, I gotta say I'm impressed. This was done on the onboard AMD USB 3.0 port/hub/controller:

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74%-filled


FYI, I can fit 4 of these Team 64GB USB 3.0 drives in my dock's USB 3.0 hub shown here without a problem :thumbsup::


Jim Keller was brought back to help AMD's CPU performance and Raja Koduri is being brought on board to help oversee the GPU hardware and software of things at AMD. They say that we will not see their work come to market until 2015-2016 but we should have some great AMD products coming our way in the near future. AMD seems to be doing better than what some analyst had predicted. Its great to see this company hanging on but I guess it can only go up if its been at the bottom.

AnandTech | The King is Back: Raja Koduri Leaves Apple, Returns to AMD

Does this mean we will finally see asymetrical crossfire and the enduro issues worked out and perfected? Or maybe a CPU that keeps up with Intel's at most tasks? I hope so! AMD needs to keep this momentum going.

 

What they really need is a fair agreement with several laptop OEM's like Dell, HP, Acer, Asus, Samsung, or whomever to build appropriate sized laptops for their APU's. I think an improvement in CPU performance can't hurt, but the current gen of APU's is pretty good, and if they fit the A10-4600m into a 13" 0.8" thick laptop for $700 or less it would be a hot seller. But you can only find them in 15" notebooks except for the few rare ones like HP you and I own.

 

Do you guys ever monitor the Northbridge frequency? Does AMD throttle that and Hypertransport (or I guess PCIE) speeds in real time while the CPU is being stressed?

 

Exactly, especially Dell should integrate AMD APUs again, because their business class is far the superior as what I've tried so far, Latitude E4310 was my king laptop ever. This time, I'd nothing like better than this thin Latitude with A10-5750M and than guarantee I have no USB distance issue.

Here is a Hondo Tablet test. Not as impressive as I thought, I start to understand why manufacturers were not excited.

 

New Acer laptop with a tablet chip? WTH? Acer introduces 11.6 inch touchscreen notebook with AMD Temash chip - Liliputing

 

does the collective here think that Trinity is essentially dead at this point?
with my Product Manager hat on, I don't see any further ramp, except the downramp. with Microsoft doing everything possible to commit suicide, Intel scrambling to find an 'in' to android SoC's, and so much noise in the air about touchscreen devices [with/wo kbds], and future-freeze as amd, nvidia, intel, arm, et al reveal their future generations, I see unmoving merchandise.
there are a lot of new trinity laptops/notebooks on ebay right now but carrying high [imho] prices - somebody will have to blink to unload such

 

AMD notebooks are overpriced and either OEM's are total idiots and/or in bed with Intel for price fixing, which I wouldn't doubt one minute. Vizio should offer a significant improvement and hopefully open the eyes of users what an AMD APU can do and at a good price point.

 

Richland is essentially Trinity 2.0, so not really dead.

 

Eh, I've seen quite a few deals on A8 and A10 models floating around, you just don't find them plastered atop the retailer listings because they flog Intel models (even the lowly celeron offerings) incessantly.

Toshiba Satellite S855D is an A10, 8 gigs of RAM, and 1TB HDD for $499. A similar Ivy bridge laptop is at least $100 more and will have less memory and a smaller HDD. Consumer-grade, granted, but cheap general usage power.

 

The point is that the models are big and fat, models usually designated for a 45W CPU + dedicated GPU not a slim 13 or 14" one to be found. Most are still $600-800 which for having just a 35W APU is way overpriced.

 

What is your voltage profile?
I have received friend of mine's HP Pavilion G6 with A4-4300M Trinity for fix the hot and noisy operation. Previously I had a Pavilion G6 with A6-4400M and A10-4600M, so I know it is not a hot and not too noisy machine. But this HP like a hair blower and hot too. The APU operating between 55-95C!
The first thing what I've done is to repasting the APU with quality thermal compound. Now the temperature dropped to 50-90C which still very hot.
For second thing I installed PSCheck and the high voltages are surprised me! At 3GHz was operating at 1.3V and at 1.4GHz 0.9V. I decreased all values with 0.1V, but I have the feeling I can go further down;


What is yours values?

 

The first Temash laptop has been announced

Acer Aspire V5-122 Touchscreen Notebook With AMD Temash CPU Unveiled | Geeky Gadgets

 

Looks nice, and newegg has it at $46; see Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Flash Memory & Readers, USB Flash Drives, Team Group, 64GB

A better similarly sized 64GB unit may be Mushkin's Ventura Pro which newegg has at $58; see Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Flash Memory & Readers, USB Flash Drives, Mushkin Enhanced, 64GB

 

Considering the thermals on the big-fat-and well-ventilated toshiba, I shudder to think of what might happen to that processor crammed into something like a vivobook. I've seen the cool little intel processors get those buggers hot enough to cook.

 

Hmm, that works with Trinity? I haven't been able to get PSCheck to work with Trinity. But it may open up some TDP room for the IGP. Will give it a try when I get a chance.

Nice find!

??? Trinity runs nice and cool. In my 14" HP my A10-4600m never exceeds 70C fully taxed, and the fan is barely spinning.

 

I wonder if the PSCheck will still run on Richland, or even Kaveri?

 

Tthe Toshibas I sold were cool as long as you aren't taxing the graphics. Obviously that can be said about most chips, but in my experience the cooler-running intel chips can really cook in tight cases with low air-flow. SO it's double trouble if you have a tight plastic case AND an APU that can warm up significantly more than that.

Personally, I think it says more about how shoddy consumer-grade cases are, but given that's more or less expected. You can't really fault the fact that the bigger trinity chips are being given some breathing room and I am not an AMD detractor by any means. Nearly every desktop I've built for myself and clients (who cared about cost) has been an AMD show.

 

That's not even close to true. There's tons of 35W Intel CPU laptops that are "thin and light" and manage heat just fine. That's my point. There's dozens of Intel 35W/45W thin and light laptops and ZERO AMD thin and light laptops with an A8 or A10 APU. None.

 

Which part? The thermal specs are public knowledge, as are the heat issues associated with the intel laptops I mentioned by name.

Not really, at least not in the price point I was intially referring to. In the ~$500 range, anything "thin," in the least is prone to becoming uncomfortable. Many of the asus vivobooks I've had the displeasure of repairing suffered physical deformation from heat and those things are packing comparably low-heat units compared to an A8/10.

I agree there's not much choice on the AMD side of things; however, I think the reason isn't entirely due to intel cowing OEMs.

 

It's working like charm under Windows 8 too, not sure MSI users why cannot use it. Otherwise buggy, laptop not coming back from sleeping, loading good working profiles cause hard restart, etc... Better not use it regular base, just play with it.
But I still do not understand why is this A4-4300M heating like crazy? Loading internet browser temperature jumps in seconds from 50 to ~70C.

So here is my default voltage profile;




My new lowered profiles;



That is mostly 0.15 V decrease!

 

I wasn't paying too much attention to previous posts... just how much were you able to drop your temperatures Atom Ant ?

 

I tried to open PS check, it failed to load for me.

 

I guess my problem is the Active power plan in Catalyst Center is set to High Performance. I often change it back to balanced in Windows, but after a certain time going back to High performance. How could I change this profile in Catalyst center? It pushing my APU all the time at 3GHz, but I do not wanna that.
update;
The windows cannot even set other profile than High Performance. When I switch to balanced or power saver, it is immediately going back to high performance. It is also killing the GPU performance... only 450 3DMark11 points .

 

Sounds like you may have to fresh install Windows OS?

 

Gang - I'm actually working on a somewhat diseased pavilion G7, A8-4500M, and unfortunately the sticker is gone from the bottom; I don't know EXACTLY which model this is. has 2 so-dimm slots, only one occupied, 4GB. reading around I'm trying to find whether this is like the lenovo s405 in NOT supporting real dual-channel mode.
can any of you educate me?

 

If there are two so-dimm slots, then fill the second one with another 4GB SoDIMM. The S405 only had a single slot so there was no option. Your GPU performance will improve 50% at least.