The Ultimate AMD Trinity Notebook List

Do you mean it's lack of devices? Or is it actually the APUs at issue here? Yearly cadence with small improvements is better than what AMD used to do, but still no decent notebooks.

 

That's impressive, especially the OC. Did you tweak voltages or anything for that, and was overheating more noticeable?

Also is System the only hing that doesn't recognize the CPU model or are there other programs like CPU-Z, and even more extreme cases such as AMD System Monitor and Overdrive?
And one more thing, could you Overclock with Overdrive?

Edit: Wow I just did the match and the stock 5750M is 22.1% faster than the 4600M, that's mind blowing, the only explanation I can come up with is that 5750M has much more aggressive turbo.

 

I'm going to wager it's the lack of devices in the configurations we are looking for, or even configurations that play to the strengths of the chips, instead being relegated to the commodity 15.6" segment, for the most part.

What sorts of configs? I'm sure everyone has their different wants, but I'd like to see:
- A 13.3" 35W A10.
- A 11.6" 25W A10 or 19W A8.
- A 19W A8 No moving parts htpc.

And don't gimp the systems with single channel RAM and 1366x768 displays.

 

Temash and Kabini launching with...one product?

Computex next week and no doubt Haswell will be announced with 20+ laptops

same old same old.

Must we wait for Xbox One and PS4 to go on sale before OEMs notice AMD.

 

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This is a very impressive APU, makes me keep longer a huge 15.6" laptop. Have not done any voltage tweak yet, just pushed auto-tune button in Catalyst Control Center--> Overdrive tab and CPU frequency went up to 3.3GHz where crashed. I guess it used the default voltage from (2.5GHz).
Installing AMD Over Drive 4.26 causing crash at startup, not sure yet how to fix it because I want overclocking GPU too...
Heats more and consumes more power at 3.2GHz, I measured 62W while only consumed ~50W with stock clocks (load). Temperatures somehow cooler as my old A4-4400M, but probably just the AC diamond thermal paste...
Here is how programs can see the APU;


I'll later play more with it, but now have to go...

 

Interesting, seems the issue is only on the CPU side, as GPU is being recognized correctly. At least CPU-Z gets the Codename and the sticker right, while HardwareInfo64 thinks its a trinity and puts a Piledriver sticker with it. It will be interesting to see what AMD System Monitor shows, since Overdrive just crashes.

Also is overclocking through CCC possible for both ES and Production Models or just the ES? And if it's not too much can you please check if DDR3-1866 works on it.

Edit: Oh wait, it looks like you're already using 1866 ram

 

A CPU on its own is worth nothing if it isn't integrated in a useful or interesting PC.

 

An example would be the world's most advanced and efficient engine, and an incredibly smart GPS system...

Being only used in Reliant Robin cars. No matter how awesome the fuel mileage, engine performance, and the GPS is, it's still not going to change the fact that the triple-wheeled car isn't the most popular.

 

It's times like these that I wish there were a "hate" or "deplore" button to counter the "like" button for posts. I hate it not because you're giving up, but because it reflects the market facts about APU's - that nobody's putting them in good machines. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is due to the "appease Intel" mindset among OEMs.

On the other hand, AMD screwed the pooch themselves on this one. Richland is a BS product - it's been over a year since Trinity dropped, and Richland is a scramble on AMD's part to get a new product on the market in the short term (which has double-failed as it's still not available), when they should have focused on getting Kaveri ready as soon as possible. Getting Kaveri on the market (and in quality notebooks) in time to directly compete with Haswell's release would have been a potentially HUGE win for AMD. Instead they're handing Intel another several months (minimum) of unchallenged market dominance (and the billions of dollars of profit that entails) because they couldn't get their s*** together on their real next-gen product.

I wonder if the next-gen consoles are somewhat to blame for this Richland debacle. MS and Sony tell AMD they need reliable (thus mature tech) chips for their new consoles. AMD gets in gear squeezing the most out of their Trinity tech, pulling engineers, R&D cash, and fab time away from Kaveri. They realize they have nothing to compete with Haswell so they throw together the idea of marketing the streamlined Trinity tech under a new name and start announcing and manufacturing the product before anyone is actually on board to put it in machines.

Whatever the reason, I think I love the AMD engineers, but I'm certain I hate their upper management. If your engineers can build a superior product but you can't market it or get it applied properly, what's the point?

 

I think a better example would be putting an LS9 into a base model honda civic with no other changes. It's a commodity car with a powerplant that can't be fully utilized because of the surrounding parts. The tires and the drivetrain would explode if you floored it, and the brakes couldn't slow the car down from the speeds that could be attained from the new engine. And to delve into the metaphor a little more, the stock radiator loop would be too small for the heat being generated, and the exhaust system would be a choke point as well.

Now imagine that the LS9 crate engine went for $1000 instead of the $28K that they sell for. Manufacturers start throwing them in everything. Even civics and tercels and Aveos and whatnot. It's there, but the potential just isn't being realized.

 

A lot of interesting news is coming out for Kaveri, such us use of FM2+ socket, possibly new chipset, and 6-12 GCN CUs. If true, than the top Desktop model could have a GPU on par with the Xbox One, and the CPU should be at least 2X faster.

Edit: Also expect to see Kabini Laptops from Toshiba.

“Toshiba continues to offer high quality, reliable and affordable laptops. Thanks to the 2013 AMD Mainstream APU’s (“Kabini” quad-core performance, and increased power efficiency, we’re able to deliver powerful entry-level laptops with impressive performance.” - Hideo Kasuya, General Manager of Products Management Division, Toshiba Corporation Digital Products & Service Company

 

Toshiba?

I'm a bit wary of them, since they have a habit of requiring that only their graphic drivers be used. And OEMs are rarely known for keeping the drivers up to date.

 

Need unlocked CPU multipliers, the production models are locked. For 3.2GHz it is require only 1.125V, so I guess 3.5-3.6GHz will be real with little higher voltage... I've also managed to run Overdrive, but only when VGA driver is uninstalled. So far only 13.5b3 and 13.6beta driver available for 8650G, hopefully a WHQL or a newer beta will solve this problem.

 

Is it me, or did Richland manage to still lag behind Llano in terms of overall CPU performance at clock per clock ratio?
What exactly did AMD take out of Trinity architecture to cause this reduction in CPU performance?

Also... I think that Richland is merely able to hold up at its turbo speeds for long periods of time without throttling (whereas Trinity cannot) at same TDP.
That's what makes up for most of the performance difference between Trinity and Richland... though admittedly 22% is nice... except it would be even nicer if the 22% CPU performance increase was compared to Llano and not Trinity.

 

some guy at the chinese forum OC-ed their 5750m ES to 4GHz with about the same voltage (~1.28V)
GX60

With so much headroom, it's a shame that the production model is not overclokcable....

 

Or just release a 45W part to try to compete (at least graphic wise) with GT3e which is also 47W...Amd i don't understand you.

The Llano part tested has a 45W TDP. Maybe it's just about that.

Mobile Kaveri in 2014 lol. Enjoy Intel. Months of undisputed market and glory.

 

I realize that Llano is 45W TDP and Trinity/Richland are 35W TDP parts... but at the same time, the Richland variant is clocked higher than Llano and still can't beat it at clock-clock ratio (or so it would seem).

Richland does use less power than Llano, but its CPU performance is seemingly worse (despite being clocked higher) - albeit it DOES seem to beat Trinity in CPU performance by 22% (so at least that's 'something').

 

You have your point Decks, Llano cores at 2.4Ghz about as fast as Richland cores at 3.2Ghz. At this clock richland not consuming less power than llano, so not sure why do they changed the CPU cores.
The lack of 45W Trinity, Richlands another nonsense, with 35W TDP the GPU throttling even in this ES version too.

 

Yeah, that's quite odd indeed, and results in what... 33.5% speed differential at clock per clock?
I don't understand how AMD could have dropped the ball with that on the CPU.
Its a major let down on that front.

 

That's because I think this was a floating point test and that's the shortcoming of Piledriver architecture. On the other hand comparison with Llano with its K10.5/STARS architecture that has OP FP performance/clock is a worst case scenario. Anything integer based or 1-2 threads will favor Richland with it's higher clockspeeds, and maybe even clock for clock.

Also Atom ant is that an A8-3550MX overclocked to 2.4GHz, and maybe that in turn overclock the turbo to 3.1GHz due to older architecture?

 

Gigabyte has an A4-1200 Dual Core Temash Tablet! They claim 14 hours of battery life.

 

Some developer documents showed some hella awesome numbers for Kaveri, and others showed a potential drop of the GDDR5, but at this point not sure anything is fact unless you are on the inside. For mobile, it appears that in 2013 only 2 and 4 core variants will be released. Perhaps 6 core for desktops in 2014. The GPU computing capabilities are shaping up to be about 4 times that of Richland. Meanwhile IPC increases were rumored to be about 30% increase with Steamroller cores over Piledriver which is a massive increase in CPU performance. It may be the product everyone really has been waiting for.

 

I'd love to see Temash in a Pi-sized device (8W quad would need a heat sync at least, maybe a fan). Kabini in a "NUC"-sized device would also be really nice to see.

 

Gigabyte has launched its own competitor to NUC and it comes with Haswell and Kabini options. From what I remember of NUC pictures it looks similar to it Gigabyte Brix mini-computer to come in AMD Kabini, Intel Haswell flavors - Liliputing.

Also I don't find NUC and similar designs appealing, it looks like a square brick covered with a shiny tile to me. Now for great looking mini-PCs with decent performance check this thing out SAPPHIRE EDGE VS8, it is thinner than many vertical routers and has an A8-4555M in it with Radeon HD 7600G graphics!

 

Where are the Richland notebooks? Newegg.com - AMD A10-6800K Richland 4.1GHz Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop Processor - Black Edition AMD Radeon HD AD680KWOHLBOX Unfair, desktop.

 

Is that me or Richland is priced higher than Trinity ?
I'd like to put an A10-6700 in an Akasa Cypher 120W because i need to mount something.

 

The older Aida64 did not show any difference for memory speed reading between 1600 vs. 1866MHz modules, but the new version 3.0 show brand new scores;



Wonder, what is your Trinity reading speed with 1600MHz memory?

AMD’s Richland is hiding a big secret
Do you know what is this? I have not noticed anything other than the very cool operation, 28C at idle, 61C at Prime95 + Furmark...

 

I want to know that secret !!!

 

After reading about a few brands at Computex, I would say that AMD lost a big opportunity with delaying Kaveri and using Richland as a stop-gap measure.

 

Just thought I'd tip anyone searching-the fully loaded A10 based 6475b is only 500 at the HP outlet.

 

Is there a link to it? I can't find it.

 

I posted it somewhere back in the thread, but here it is for your convenience! Refurbished business products

You have to call and speak to a rep to order/confirm inventory. There were 4 6475b's with that config today, which seems to be the norm.

I think this 500 dollar price point it really where the 6475b has a fantastic niche: a high quality build laptop with a capable processor/integrated graphics. Gaming capable but not gaming focused. Granted this is about the end of the processor's life cycle, but I do think that this offering is finally a great offering featuring AMD. If it had a full-HD screen option it could be better, but it is good as is.

EDIT: Also, as a side note unrelated to AMD but merely because I most often post/check this thread, the HP refurb store is having some good sales on the Elitebook 9470m, the ultrabook model of the elitebooks. I saw an i7/240ssd/HD+ screen for 1200 I think, seemed to me to be an excellent option for those interested in business quality ultrabook options. Personally I don't really care for the form factor.

 

I'll be buying one of those laptops if I can buy an A10 5750m to replace the A4/6 APU...

 

Two A10-5750m's on fleabay this morning for $200+. Not biting at that price.

 

I want an A10-5750M too but that price is ridiculous! Cut that in half and I'm all over that like white on rice.

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Yea those prices are ridiculous, anything over $125 is overpriced.

Also did any of you guys see the new ASUS N Series video? ASUS is just owning Computex this year, not only this but a 13.3'' 1440P Zenbook Infinity, new AC68U 1900Mbps Dual Band AC router and even a 4K 31'' Monitor. Anyway here is the link All New ASUS N Series - Quad-Speaker Array Audio Immersion - YouTube. Lets hope this thing comes with a Kaveri version.

 

Checked fleabay again just now, those listings from this morning: the first one at $209 shows two sold, two left. The second at $229 shows none sold, two left. On the one hand, I guess its good that people want them, even at that price.

 

So Richland begins to trickle out into the public now. I'm liking the HP ENVY 15z-j000 Notebook PC, it starts at:
$529.99 but can be configured quite nicely. Now to find HP %OFF coupons. I don't necessarily want a 15.6" screen but this may be an exception depending on the screen and build quality. The 1080p panel is $40 upgrade. To have it configured like this it will cost $745, $10 for 5-7 day shipping, $47.19 local tax and a grand total of $802.17. It ships June 21st.. Get $20 off with coupon code SAVEHP20, 30% OFF would seal the deal

One question. How can a 65W AC adapter handle both the APU and dGPU combined? This has to be a mistake.

 

I do not see the reason anymore why to buy AMD Richland, Intel has significantly faster CPU cores and HD4600 as fast as AMD's best integated GPU, + Intel will be available in premium 13 and 14" laptops...

 

That is true, I was just adding to the list. Intel has an excellent product for sure, jack of all trades now and nothing can stop it as far as i can tell. Only time will tell though so I wouldn't be so quick. What about cost differences?. I'm more interested in this size range if anything, doesn't matter who the chip maker is; 10.1", 11.6", 13.3" and 14.1" and 1600x900 or 1920x1080 resolutions (1366x768 being ok for 10.1-11.6), dual mSATA and a high performance igpu.

 

I've complained about this in other threads already but I'll repost here. The Envy Jxxx like the new Asus Nxxx both scream OMG look at my superior audio while combining the headphone and microphone jacks. Really? Why not at least make 2 combined jacks so you could listen with multiple headphones? Now that wound be a nice audio feature (and they still got a ton of space left on the chassis for ports too).
On top of that the N series has a silver keyboard and since I've seen older macs with keyboards that turned all sorts of (UGLY) colors after a few months I'm scared to get one of these.
If it weren't for those things one of those would probably have gotten my money. Was still on the fence about going AMD or Intel versions.
I'd buy Richland but isn't Kaveri coming before the end of 2014? I can't really justify a purchase then, if it was on the ~yearly cycle as usual then maybe.. But I guess that's a personal thing.
And to conclude this post, FYI davidricardo86, here's the link to the ENVY Jxxx thread. It seems build quality is disappointing this year.

~Aeny

 

Usually Intel a $100 more expensive in the same configuration and in premium thin will be even more expensive... . Anyway that dual mSATA sounds very cool, hope we'll see in more configurations. Besides I think I need 14", quite often I read the laptop screen from distance and handling with bloetooth mouse from the bed. My fear is many of these laptops will receive glossy touch screen.

 

Those new Envys look awesome, the looks are great and under 5 lb weight for the 15'' model is amazing!
Couple of issues for me though:
1. Clickpad, I would much prefer dedicated buttons.
2. Touchscreen models add almost half a pound of extra weight.

Also an optical drive on the 15'' version would have been nice.

 

Just a question, is it worth getting the AMD Radeon HD 8750M for a Crossfire? Or should I just save $70 and stick with the APU alone?

Maybe because the cooling system can't handle the thermal output from the two components running at full blast?

 

The 8750M Radeon is very efficient consumes under 20W, so it will fit into the 65W power adapter limit. Otherwise I assume it will work as Enduro graphics instead Crossfire. This GPU good deal for the money, the performance is level with 640M or faster with new drivers.

 

Yep HD 87XX serie seems crazy efficient according to reviews.

Test Dell Inspiron 15-3521-0620 Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

Not even 46W at peak power for full system (Furmark + Prime). Only 36W in 3D mark.

 

You just made me confident, they did not under measured my most tempting laptop's max 33.8W power consumption.
Unfortunately in the Haswell versions they going to change these super Radeons for crappy Nvidias, which maybe reason to buy again AMD based laptop.

 

Also, the laptop i linked, while having ULV core, can maintain the turbo forever at 2,5 Ghz under full stress, which is pretty rare.

I've seen also a HD 8770M/HD 8790M GDDR5 review on hardware.fr :

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/39/IMG0039925.gif

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/39/IMG0039926.gif

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/885-5/performances-battlefield-3-far-cry-3.html

These gpus are crazy impressive, performing like GT 650M while consuming less idling and barely more loaded than a 7670M....Crazy for ultrabooks. But i didn't see them implemented in laptops yet, which is very sad.

 

For some reason the Radeons 7000s weren't that popular in the mid-range mobile GPU market, compared to Nividia...

 

It says Dual Graphics, nothing about Enduro. That Envy with a 30% OFF coupon would be a nice machine. I'm wondering how good the cooling system is and how its keeps up with the heat.

Impressive gpu with impressive specs. We should see reviews popping up soon.

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