The Ultimate AMD Trinity Notebook List

Wow... That's just...

I guess CPUs/GPUs really don't matter if the OEMs keep doing crap job with putting them together...

 

I know going from 12.7mm to 9.5mm optical drive isn't really a CON because it was likely done to make the notebook thinner. It's not really a deal breaker, just something to be aware of.

What HP has done here reminds me of what Lenovo has done to their ThinkPad line of notebooks and that's slowly make it more consumer-like. I don't like it.

 

I agree, its a business notebook, I want high res screen, long battery life and powerful processor.

 

I think Firewire is dead anyways so getting rid of it was only a matter of time. (What is the percentage of people using those these days anyways?)
From the Cons 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11 are some serious issues. I mean really HP? You got rid of the firewire port to make space but the previous model already had a DP 1.2++, why get rid of it??? You should have a just replaced the firewire with HDMI, it doen't take any more space than a USB slot.

 

I want 14/15" biz notebook, w/ decent screen (95% or IPS, and 900p or 1028p), and at least three SATA III ports (including on the mSATA connection), and space for main internal 9.5mm drive, and also for an internal ODD.

I could care less how thick the notebook is.

Oh, I almost forgot, I also want an A10 Richland APU and adequate/quiet heatsink/cooling.

 

"According to market research data, people primarily want thinner laptops"

"Engineers! Get building! And SSDs, quality screens, and aluminum aren't allowed!"

 

That pretty much matches what i want, just add in:
the 'best' Radeon Dual Graphics combo
a backlit tactile kb
fingerprint reader
EC 54mm 2.0
eSATAp
DP++ 1.2
miniDP (add USB 3.0 and call it AMD Lightning Bolt[/URL, 2, 3])
'smartphone quality' webcam (5-10MP)
Dual PCIe SDXC/MSXC


Let's not forget this piece right here, i know its old news but i'd be interested to see how the project is going along:

AMD Lightning Bolt is USB 3.0 Over DisplayPort
by btarunr Friday, January 13th 2012

What ya'll think? That Acer with Temash has a miniDP that looks similar to this but im not 100% sure of it myself.


Lastly, the Vizio Z-60 Tablet has gone from "Spring 2013" to "Summer 2013." A sudden delay or maybe Vizio will use Temash instead? AMD has said its shipping Jaguar Temash/Kabini products so i see this as a likely reason. I could be wrong.

 

I wonder if an external GPU could be used with the Lighting Bolt connection.

 

AMD readying ‘Lightning Bolt’, their answer to Intel’s Thunderbolt
14 Jan, 2012 | by Roydon Cerejo

Apple and Intel put the nails in Thunderbolt's coffin
Posted March 20, 2013 - 06:13 by Nick Farrell

Read more at Apple and Intel put the nails in Thunderbolt's coffin | TG Daily

What you think?

I think external GPUs will be possible if USB 3.0 goes 10 Gbps. AMD Lightningbolt could match Intel's Thunderbolt performance while costing less. Cool. We just need to see the finished product and strong support from OEMs+AMD.

Imagine daisy-chaining multiple GPUs for crossfire setups and multiple displays. These add-ons would require their own PSUs for sure.

 

Thunderbolt might've gain better traction in a potential market where customers would buy desktop GPUs with Thunderbolt-to-PCIE connectors for their ultrabooks.

As of now, even the cheapest external Thunderbolt GPU case cost you AT LEAST a Radeon 7870 or GTX 660.

 

Acer laptop on sale on newegg with A10 and dual graphics for $525 and free 2 day shipping (apparently 25% off and comes with a free printer)
Acer Aspire V3-551G-X419 Notebook AMD A-Series A10-4600M(2.30GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 7670M - Newegg.com

 

Excellent deal!

 

Guys, are we going to see a more aggressive marketing campaign from AMD? Maybe sooner than later! I think we can all agree this would be a wise move for the company and help sell more chips.

Sean Pelletier leaves Nvidia for AMD
The tide has definitely shifted the other way
May 20, 2013 by Charlie Demerjian

AMD is bringing onboard some well qualified candidates to help this phoenix rise from the ashes. :thumbsup:

 

Richland based GX60 and GX70 are already available. Can't wait to see some benchmarks out of this beast.

 

Review A10-5750M and compare to old 4600m: AMD A10-5750M with Radeon HD 8650G system - a test of the new processor family Richland :: PCLab.pl.

 

Results as are expected. Slight improvement. At least this time, cpu power is really on par with core i3 3110M except for single thread.
Still no match for a 630M GT in most cases but pretty decent perfs and battery life.
They probably tested with 2x4 Go 1600 mhz ram given the results.

What with the 111°C on gpu-z screenshot at top of page 3 ?????

Liked the summary where they said Richland offers might be not well priced and in limited availability^^

 

That's completely wrong temp. Temp monitoring software indicates wrong on most software. HWMonitor shows GPU as correct, but CPU as 100C+ all the time.

 

This table makes me question, how do they have done the tests?



Trinity with old driver (old results), Richland with new driver and fresh tests?

 

Not related but maybe we should open a thread for Kabini/Temash products.
Review of the Kabini A4-5000 by Notebookcheck.net.

CPU performance

GPU performance

Power

Conclusion

 

Someone should say amd that we want A10-5750M in every amd based laptops and don't care about their other weak Apus^^

Temash might be useful in tablets but Kabini...meh, don't see the point.

 

OEMs: So you want high end laptops? Okay engineers, throw them i7s at them. Without the dedicated GPU of course, because that's too expensive!

 

spec confusion on this one: samsung NP365E5C-S01US

samsung's own website says max memory is 8gb, implying that either there is only one slot, or one is soldered?
Crucial shows max memory 16gb -implying 2 slots, but if one is soldered, then crucial would be in error

help me out guys

 

Samsung's 'official' literature is wrong/conservative.

16GB RAM is possible with 2x 8GB Sodimms.

 

Anandtech has a nice review of the A4-5000 AnandTech | The AMD Kabini Review: A4-5000 APU Tested.
It makes Atom look like a waste of resources (from which it was built on), makes me wonder if the new gen Atom can even come close to it.

Also if you looked at some of the AMD slides you can see that there is an A4 ULV Trinity but it's TDP says 22W. To make things clear there are no 22W Trinity chips, that's just the combination of the 17W APU and the FCH, and from this it becomes apparent the FCH has 5W TDP.

 

I suggest we move all Jaguar (Temash and Kabini) product discussion to this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...rket-upgrades/719020-amd-jaguar-analysis.html

This one's for Trinity/Richland and its gotten a little crowded. Unless we do a "The Ultimate AMD Jaguar Product (tablet/hybrid/convertible/laptop/etc.) List" thread like this one? Lately, I've come to the realization i want a 10.1-11.6" 'netbook' for light and inexpensive portability and would like to round up all the contenders (only two at the moment) seeing as Trinity/Richland haven't made it into this size range. I would buy it right away provided the price ($200-500), performance (A6 Kabini quad) and quality (Asus EEEPC, HP DM1 or Lenovo ThinkPad X-like) satisfy my requirements.

Anyways, here's some power consumption figures for Richland/Trinity:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/150451-amds-new-richland-apu-boosts-clocks-and-adds-features-but-its-a-just-modest-refresh

 

That review from Anandtech is a piece of trash. He badmouths Kabini and tries to spin the performance of Kabini as bad.

I pointed that out to him in the comments and he replied back. He seems a bit biased to me. He's arguing that Kabini isn't competitive because it's competing against Ivy Bridge i3 that are right now with low prices because of promotions. I pointed out to him the notebookcheck review and the guy was a bit defensive. Discussion starts on page 6 of comments.

 

I recognized long time ago Anandtech is a trashcan and I do not even read their writings. Not sure why still so many people linking that site or why AMD giving them hardware for tests. We have here notebookreview with good writings and statements...

 

I know that they are biased, and sure they may have said a bit too much, but I don't really care about their opinion on things because of the bias. But the content in terms of benchmarks and things like that is decent.

 

Only that it might give an indication on how Kabini holds up against IB ULV and Penitum B series.
And if the benchmarks seem to be accurate, then Temash and Kabini are still based on Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture (given the single-core performance).

However, if I understood correctly, the point of Kabini was to 'compete' with Intel Atom solutions, did it not?
We seem to be missing comparisons between Kabini and Atom.

 

Comparisons between Kabini and Atom are moot. Atom has all but disappeared from the marketplace in a notebook format...


AMD; too little too late and wrong target hit (again).

 

Well its really like this:

Temash vs Atom
Kabini vs Celeron, Pentium
Trinity/Richland vs Core I-series

While not completely oranges to oranges, these products compete in similar markets.

These comparisons are not moot, maybe to you, but those interested in these low power AMD platforms they're relevant. The data is relevant. Atom has disappeared from the notebook marketplace? What? When did that happen? If it has disappeared to you in your eyes then Intel is to blame, like many blame AMD for not being more successful at simply CPU sustained/peak performance. They're pushing their 'Ultrabook' so much and have ignored the Atom line quite a bit (that's suppose to be changing soon). Its been too long since Intel actually revamped Atom or made more agressive moves with it, and when Brazos was released Atom got mopped all across the floor.

AMD is not late, quite the contrary my friend. Now they've released an SoC that will wipe the floor with this next Atom and this time not only with notebooks but with tablets, hybrids, convertibles, etc. Etc. The chips are potent enough but the potential from the OEMs has lacked innovation with lame bottom of the barrel designs we don't like. At least there are Atom alternatives but the graphics have always been so poor.

I believe we've come to a point where raw CPU power is not all its cracked up to be especially on these mobile low power devices. There's gotta be balance and a solid attractive and desirable design.

Sent from my SPH-M580 using Tapatalk 2


EDIT: Update about Lightning Bolt and its new name, Dock Port

AMD finally puts Dock Port on a device
Exit Lightning Bolt, enter the new Dock Port
May 24, 2013 by Charlie Demerjian

 

Okay, but you're still comparing 2/3 gen's older Intel IP... with current and yet to be introduced AMD 'solutions'.

To see what AMD should have been targeting:

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...el-ivy-bridge-haswell-way-84.html#post9209963

 

How about HD 4000 vs Trinity 7660G?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...ghtweights-amd-7660g-vs-intel-hd4000-igp.html

 

Again, Atom was neglected up until recently. It was barely good enough but that has changed what with Haswell leading the front for Intel and integrated graphics and fantastic cpu. Atom had to receive a similar treatment and once it comes to market it will go up against Jaguar which should be available come June. That should "level the playing field" a bit. Sure the time schedules are out of whack with both companies but were still talking about low-end low-power arena.

You gotta give AMD folks some credit, they're not exactly equal to Intel yet they've managed to bring to market some impressive products that has caught people's attention. Obviously not the best, but reasonable alternatives.

What should they be targeting exactly?

EDIT: Oh, you mean power management? Check.

Intel Bay Trail Atom SoC confirmed for tablets: quad-core 22nm chips due by Christmas

Intel's 22nm Atom: Silvermont, Bay Trail Debut
Monday, May 06, 2013 - by Joel Hruska in Processors

 

Hi Everybody, first time posting.

I'd like to point out some nice looking new entries from ASUS. Both Richland based. Not sure if there's a Richland list yet, but I know I still stop by here when looking at AMD laptops.
https://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/X550DP/#specifications
ASUS - N56DY

Cheers,
Marc

 

Do not underestimate Temash and Kabini so much, these new AMD APUs are going against Y-series Haswell chips. And Temash will fit better into thin laptops, because smaller chip than Haswell, need smaller motherboard too, more space for battery. Believe me, it is going to be very strong competitive for ultra low voltage Haswell APUs, while Atom, Celeron and Pentium will stay garbage.

 

back to the mundane.... any of you guys running G6's with A8-4500M, did you go with upscale memory or does it not make much diff...
I lowballed one on ebay and surprisingly took it in. will keep awhile, get it running well, sell.

 

Temash chum:
Acer Aspire V5 122P with AMD Temash First Test - YouTube

 

And Aspire V5-452 14" with AMD Elite Quad Core APU (Richland).

I have a g6 with A4-4300M, but what is upscaling memory? I tightened memory timing to CL8 near 1600MHz.

 

I'll start adding these Richland notebooks to the list, thanks.

 

For any of you guys that want to upgrade to A10-4600m, they are $74 now on ebay AMD A10 Series A10 4600M AM4600DEC44HJ 2300 MHz Socket FS1 FS1R2 | eBay

Also A10-5750m Engineering Samples started showing up.

 

That's cheap! Looks like someone already snatched up all the samples.

Sent from my SPH-M580 using Tapatalk 2

 

Oh look, 3 more: New AMD Quad-Core Mobile A10 4600M 2.3Ghz Socket FS1- AM4600DEC44HJ on eBay!

 

Wow, they disappeared fast, a few hours ago there were two north of $120.

In any case I didn't want to get either since they were engineering samples, and even though there might not be much differences between those and production units, there is at least the fact that the system can't see the info of the processor, and even worse if they are on a different stepping, than there is a possibility of performance deficit.

 

I finally looked up SPH-M580 on Amazon and can now understand why you keep your messages from SPH-M580 short.

On a side note, is the past few month increase in RAM prices likely due to the upcoming release of Intel's new Haswell? I mean the oem's must be doing some serious building?

Side note Q2: Are you using 3G or 4G with SPH-M580? If yes, which carrier? And if not Consumer Cellular, why not? Or point me to the right NBR forum; assuming that there is one.

 

That is a Sprint only phone, and quite an old one since it uses gingerbread, 4G is out of the question, will probably have 3G though since my 3 year old phone did too (previous one). But Samsung does say it's Eco Friendly

Edit:
And that was my 200th post in this forum, even though it was a sidetracked one

 

I'm not using any G lol. Strictly wifi. For forums, yahoo messenger, contact log, and no other choice at the moment. I had to get rid of my Note II, which was the BEST phone I've ever owned. I am going to be getting something new, maybe the SGS4.

Yup, Sprint, yup old eco themed. It can also be used with Ting and Kajeet prepaid. Smart phones are impressive at times.

 

Ah good, been waiting for the 5750m's to start selling.

 

I've already own one of these engineering sample Richland and it is actually not too bad! The CPU is overclockable and my first measurement show a very impressive performance increase;


yellow lane means default clocks, the red means overclocked to 3.2GHz (steady).

 

I am no longer excited about AMD APU's ... at all. The only thing that will change my mind is if they actually start shipping a dozen models that people want, like thin and light and quality components.