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Hm... I found some more interesting news about Kaveri:

AMD Kaveri Steamroller Performance Revealed - Integer Point Results show Viable Competition for Haswell

34% Integer Performance increase.
Interesting, though Floating Points took a 14% hit (likely due to lack of L3 cache), and I don't know how this will reflect negatively on the entire unit (but the hit is not so big, and I would imagine that HSA would be taking over that area anyway).

At any rate, its looking even more interesting.

 

AMD stated that Kaveri will be available very early in 2014, so I though it should launch by the end of January.
And looks like its true, Launch is scheduled at January 7th. AMD Kaveri Engineering Samples Spotted, Kabini to Get 3 New Processors
Desktop OEM systems will probably start selling in February, and mobile Kaveri should arrive by mid April, by my estimates.

 

Don't know how many are actually still looking for Trinity/Richland notebooks but here's Sony's late entrant to the game. It's nothing special just another one to add to the old list.

SONY VAIO F Series SVF15414CXB AMD A-Series A10-5745M(2.10GHz) 4GB Memory 750GB HDD 15.5" Notebook Windows 8 64-bit $580
Newegg.com - SONY VAIO F Series SVF15414CXB AMD A-Series A10-5745M(2.10GHz) 4GB Memory 750GB HDD 15.5" Notebook Windows 8 64-bit


I'm very much looking forward to Kaveri mobile.

 

Found these two 10.1" 3.9W Temash A4-1200 powered netbooks at AMD's shop. I'd imagine battery life has to be good with such a power-sipping APU.

HP Pavilion 10-e010nr $300
Amazon.com: HP Pavilion 10-e010nr 10.1-Inch Touchscreen Laptop (Sparkling Black): Computers & Accessories

ASUS F102BA-SH41T $330
ASUS F102BA-SH41T 10.1" Laptop Computer - Black Matte F102BA-SH41T - Micro Center


Also, ran into the 2.8lb 11.6" MSI S12T with Kabini A4-5000, Gigabit Ethernet, BT4.0, HDD/mSATA, removable battery (3-cell/6-cell), access panel, upto 16GB RAM via 2 SODIMM slots, and service manual states optional IPS display.
http://www.msi.com/product/nb/S12T.html#/?div=Overview




And lastly, the MSI W20 3M 11.6" A4-1200 3.9W fanless Windows 8.1 tablet. It uses an mSATA SSD, IPS display, 3G mobile internet, has a fairly large battery and seems light weight to those that have already handled it.
http://www.msi.com/product/windpad/W20-3M.html

 

Kaveri mobile will be very interesting as it will kill Core i3s and i5s if AMD makes them power efficient enough.
As for Sony, better late then never I guess. Maybe they are preparing for the launch of Kaveri, as they should start getting their hands on APUs soon.

 

Currently in CPU front an i5 ULV Ivy Bridge 77% more efficient in my Handbrake test as the current top A10-5750M Richland. I wonder how much Kaveri can reduce this difference, but if AMD increase performance somewhat and if power consumption will be reduced greatly by new 28nm manufacturing process, we might see something good. However since Ivy Bridge we've already got Haswell and when mobile Kaveri arrives, Intel Broadwell is almost here too...

 

Handbrake isn't well threaded at all, and as far as Kaveri performance goes current estimates are for the quad core Kaveri to perform similar to quad core Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge i5s on the desktop. Haswell shouldn't be much faster except in a few cases which are optimized for newer instructions, but Steamroller probably gets those instructions too. Now when it comes to mobile dual cores are simply not going to be enough to be much of a threat for Kaveri, at least in Integer tests. All AMD has to do is make sure they are efficient and not to horribly underclock them.
Broadwell isn't much of a concern either. Current release date for desktop K series (most likely all quad cores) is Q4 2014, and that if there haven't been any delays after the road-maps were leacked. Dual core mobile chips or BGA chips might show up earlier but even then it will be at least 6 months behind Kaveri. If anyone was wondering why Intel is releasing Haswell refresh, it's because their 14nm (more like 16nm) is having very low yield issues and they need something to fight off Kaveri.

 

while you're waiting for the resurrection of the laptop market you might enjoy this

Why The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Is More Powerful Than Your Phone [Extreme Performance Overview] - YouTube

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Finally, some more news on Kaveri:

AMD Spills more Kaveri Beans: AMD APU13 | PC Perspective

Looks like the CPU part was beefed up considerably (with nearly everything doubled - should be that leaked die shot everyone speculated about to be Steamroller b).
Also, I think it is premature to claim the cpu part won't be able to go up against Intel's i5 or i7 cpu's in terms of performance. We have yet to see how the cpu part alone will perform, but even so, the overall premise of Kaveri chips is in HSA/HUMA.

As for the GPU part... it would appear it will be equal to a HD 7750 - overshadowing the Iris Pro 5200 even.

I guess time will tell.

Aside from that, the memory bandwidth seems to be the only limitation at this point with DDR3.
DDR4 on the other hand will double the bandwidth, and as such can bring higher performance from Kaveri - which means that we might see a Kaveri 'refresh' later next year, or different versions of motherboards supporting either RAM iterations in the 'transitional' state (though I would sooner prefer they ship with DDR4 from the get go - if DDR4 will be released early next year).
Should have went for GDDR5 for overall usage as system memory (like in consoles), but in sticks that can be upgraded/replaced like regular RAM.
Is it possible that AMD might be targeting Excavator for this to move away from regular RAM sticks and switching instead to GDDR5 for their systems in the future?

 

The 100W desktop, but how about the 35W mobile version?

 

100W for 7750 DDR3 perf. 7750 GDDR5 scores like a 750M. So let u guess for a 35W part...or 45W with up to 55W custom TPD but i'm dreamin' here

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/39/IMG0039893.gif

DDR4 will definitely gives a nice bump. Not buyin' Kaveri until it shows up.

 

Actually, the desktop top Kaveri seems to be at 95W (not 100W).

As for the 35W part... wouldn't know about that. I would surmise that it will be slower than the desktop counterpart... however, I think it has a good possibility of being able to go up against Intel i5 and i7 offerings (most certainly in the GPU area... and as for the CPU... not sure, but possibly very close, in between, or directly on par - we have yet to see what the architectural changes on Steamroller b will demonstrate on the CPU side - but people should also keep in mind that HSA will most certainly be the 'crowning feature' of the whole thing even with CPU improvements).

 

Actually that isn't that farfetched really. Take my 8W TDP Temash A6-1450 for example. Through the use of Turbo Dock, it is able to overclock the CPU and GPU as a result of bumping up the TDP to 15W. Thats nearly doubling the available TDP. According to AMD, this results in a near 40% increase in overall performance for the A6-1450. Unfortunately it's the only AMD APU with such a unique trait.

The same could apply to Kaveri. Maybe a more refined version of Turbo Dock but same TDP increasing concept in order to allow maximum performance while plugged in or "docked."

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Well, that would only apply if they use the docking method for Kaveri... but I don't think this will necessarily be the case, seeing how the mobile version will be for laptops (as far as we know thus far).
Still, I don't think that we will see 15" solutions with a separable screen that can dock to the other part containing the keyboard and mouse-pad, although that kind of config would certainly be interesting seeing how you could simply take the screen with you elsewhere in the house or office and just re-attach it to the base when needed (and it would certainly reduce the weight factor when carrying in a backpack for use in the field - but as I said, this is mainly for 10" and 11" solutions if I'm not mistaken - still Kaveri on the lower end could fill that role - I wouldn't know what AMD's plans are for mobile or their execution - for now, we have to wait and see to get more information).

 

Am curious about Steamroller cpu perf, but i'm a bit puzzled for the DDR3 version of Kaveri gpu wise, knowing that Richland is already bandwidth starved. I don't expect something big, but maybe i don't get HSA's magic.

But to be fair, knowing that a 750M DDR3 can hit P3000, there's still room for Kaveri to shine, for 768p gaming. Modest 1080p gaming would be a possibility only on DDR4 i guess.

For the mobile Kaveri part, i guess the gpu side will remain pretty strong compared to desktop model, only the cpu side will be underclocked, but it's not a problem imo since the bottleneck will be on the gpu at this level of perf. Should be pretty balanced overall.

Some people hinted that 7750 only runs 1600mhz DDR3 while Kaveri should support higher ddr3 frequencies like 1866 or 2133 mhz, so there are many reasons to be optimistic.

 

Kaveri was demonstrated to play Battlefield 4 at medium settings in 1080p at up to 44 FPS (lowest recorded FPS was at 28 FPS).
I'm thinking that raising the settings to 'High' would lower the framerates, but the iGP should still play relatively comfortably at 1080p - and that game will receive Mantle support patch which should further increase performance (as will other games apparently).

Its entirely possible that because DDR3 is still prominent and DDR4 hasn't been released yet, FM2+ motherboards that were specifically made for Kaveri will initially come with DDR3 and DDR4 variants separately - although it would make sense to at least go for DDR4 from the start, but at the same time, DDR4 upon launch will probably be expensive.

As I said, it remains to be seen.

 

Yep, i've seen that, and it's not even Battlefield 4 "mantled"

It was not relevant from me to point out Richland memory limitations since Kaveri makes a better use of memory with HSA, thus probably using it like it's dedicated graphic memory in a more efficient way.

That would be awesome if FM2+ supports both DDR3 and DDR4 modules. That way we could go DDR3 Kaveri from the start and then upgrade to DDR4 memory when the prices become decent and get a nice boost without changing rig.

 

Actually, on DDR memories, I was referring to the premise that we will probably see mobos that support DDR3 and DDR4 separately.
I have yet to see 2 generations of RAM modules being supported on the same motherboard, and it would appear DDR4 uses a different interface than DDR3, so they cannot be interchangeable (though that would certainly make things less difficult - but the industry doesn't care about that).

 

the heck double post

 

Kaveri got the top end covered and now here's Temash and Kabini successors... Mullins and Beema "projected to deliver more than 2x the performance-per-watt of the previous generation 1, 2."

" 1. The new 2014 AMD A-Series low power APU platform, codenamed "Mullins," is expected to deliver up to 139 percent better productivity performance per watt when compared to the previous generation "Temash" platform. Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs on optimized AMD reference systems. PC manufacturers may vary configuration yielding different results. PCMark 8 - Home score divided by TDP (W) is used to simulate productivity performance per watt; the Mullins platform (4.5W) scored 1809 while the Temash platform (8W) scored 1343. AMD "Larne" reference platform system used for both APUs. Temash-based AMD A6-1450 quad-core APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 8250 Graphics, 2x2GB of DDR3-1333MHz RAM (running at 1066MHz), Windows 8.1, 13.200.11.0 - 03-Sep-2013 driver. Pre-production engineering sample of "Mullins" quad-core APU with next generation AMD Radeon graphics (model number TBD), 2x2GB DDR3-1333MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, and unreleased reference driver. MUN-3

2. The new 2014 AMD A-Series mainstream APU platform, codenamed "Beema," is expected to deliver up to 104 percent better productivity performance per watt when compared to the previous generation "Kabini" platform. Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs on optimized AMD reference systems. PC manufacturers may vary configuration yielding different results. PCMark 8 - Home score divided by TDP (W) is used to simulate productivity performance per watt; the Beema platform (15W) scored 2312 while the Kabini platform (25W) scored 1861. AMD "Larne" reference platform system used for both APUs. Kabini-based AMD A6-5200 quad-core APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 8400 Graphics, 2x2GB of DDR3-1600MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, 13.200.11.0 - 03-Sep-2013 driver. Pre-production engineering sample of "Beema" quad-core APU with next generation AMD Radeon graphics (model number TBD), 2x2GB DDR3-1600MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, and unreleased reference driver. BMN-3"


AMD 2014 Mobile APUs to Deliver Leaps in Performance and Battery Life in Tablets, 2-in-1s and Notebooks

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AMD 2014 Mobile APUs to Deliver Leaps in Performance and Battery Life in Tablets, 2-in-1s and Notebooks
New Designs Target Highest Performance and Best Graphics for Fanless Designs

SAN JOSE, CA--(Marketwired - Nov 13, 2013) - AMD (NYSE: AMD), building on its leadership in graphics and gaming, announced its 2014 mobile Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) product roadmap at the APU13 Developer Conference today. Raising the performance bar across fanless tablets, 2-in-1s and ultrathin notebooks, the APUs codenamed "Mullins" and "Beema" are projected to deliver more than 2x the performance-per-watt of the previous generation1, 2.

The latest AMD APUs also support Microsoft InstantGo for faster wake times and to ensure data such as email actively refresh in standby. Both new processor families are also the first to integrate an AMD-developed platform security processor based on the ARM® Cortex®-A5 featuring ARM TrustZone® technology for enhanced data security. The new low-power APUs join the previously disclosed high-performance notebook APU, codenamed "Kaveri," in AMD's 2014 mobile lineup.

"AMD is establishing excellent momentum this year in the low-power, mobile computing market and with 'Mullins' and 'Beema' coming in 2014 we are not standing still," said Mark Papermaster, AMD's chief technology officer and senior vice president, during his closing keynote at APU13. "AMD aims to deliver a set of platforms in the first half of next year that will outperform the competition in graphics and total compute performance in fanless tablets, 2-in-1s and ultrathin notebooks."

Both new processor families offer two or four "Puma" CPU cores and AMD Radeon™ graphics on a 28nm system-on-chip (SoC). The new processors are planned to launch in the first half of next year and will be demonstrated at CES 2014 as part of a full suite of AMD products.

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1. The new 2014 AMD A-Series low power APU platform, codenamed "Mullins," is expected to deliver up to 139 percent better productivity performance per watt when compared to the previous generation "Temash" platform. Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs on optimized AMD reference systems. PC manufacturers may vary configuration yielding different results. PCMark 8 - Home score divided by TDP (W) is used to simulate productivity performance per watt; the Mullins platform (4.5W) scored 1809 while the Temash platform (8W) scored 1343. AMD "Larne" reference platform system used for both APUs. Temash-based AMD A6-1450 quad-core APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 8250 Graphics, 2x2GB of DDR3-1333MHz RAM (running at 1066MHz), Windows 8.1, 13.200.11.0 - 03-Sep-2013 driver. Pre-production engineering sample of "Mullins" quad-core APU with next generation AMD Radeon graphics (model number TBD), 2x2GB DDR3-1333MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, and unreleased reference driver. MUN-3

2. The new 2014 AMD A-Series mainstream APU platform, codenamed "Beema," is expected to deliver up to 104 percent better productivity performance per watt when compared to the previous generation "Kabini" platform. Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs on optimized AMD reference systems. PC manufacturers may vary configuration yielding different results. PCMark 8 - Home score divided by TDP (W) is used to simulate productivity performance per watt; the Beema platform (15W) scored 2312 while the Kabini platform (25W) scored 1861. AMD "Larne" reference platform system used for both APUs. Kabini-based AMD A6-5200 quad-core APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 8400 Graphics, 2x2GB of DDR3-1600MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, 13.200.11.0 - 03-Sep-2013 driver. Pre-production engineering sample of "Beema" quad-core APU with next generation AMD Radeon graphics (model number TBD), 2x2GB DDR3-1600MHz RAM, Windows 8.1, and unreleased reference driver. BMN-3

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The PC Mark 8 benchmarks seem to present about 35% increase at almost 50% reduced TDP for 'Mullins' (over Temash), while the results for Beema are at roughly 25% higher (and at 40% lower TDP) compared to Kabini.

Yet productivity performances are quoted differently.
The article seems to state over 2x better performance per watt. So, what exactly is implied by over 2x better performance?

 

Damn, AMD will rule the world

 

"2x the performance-per-watt of the previous generation"

"PCMark 8 - Home score divided by TDP (W) is used to simulate productivity performance per watt"

Mullins 4.5W
1809/4.5=402

Temash 8W
1343/8=167.875

Beema 15W
2312/15=154.133

Kabini 25W
1861/25=74.44


This is where they're getting the 2X claim. Looks pretty darn good no? Whatever AMD did, they did a fine job refining the same process node all while lowering the TDP requirement.



http://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/5694-apu13-beema-beerbt-kabini/


AMD wireless display trumps Intel's WiDi solution:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/11/14/amds-wireless-display-real-deal/

And another Temash based computer with an IPS display:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/F0A23AV?HP-Pavilion-13z-p100-x2-PC

 

Yas... I got that after reading the article in detail.
Tnx for the clarification though.
It was further helpful.

Overall speaking, I do think AMD managed some interesting speed increases, but its implied that they gained those mainly via clock speed increase.
Hm... I'm hoping some architectural changes took place as well - but honestly, I am surprised that AMD didn't just use Steamroller as a base for those chips.
Its possible the performance increase would have risen even more.

 

Now if they will just release a 45W mobile variant and go into a 13" form factor, the GPU performance should easily rival Iris Pro.

 

Am I disappoint you if I tell 45W is not in the plan?




In the not too old times, we were laughing how far is Intel from AMD IGP solutions, now we wonder if AMD's next years solution will able to match today's Intel IGP or not...

 

FINALLY!!! A detachable tablet that uses the A6-1450! It even has both flash storage and HDD (in the base) and 2 batteries. Again it is hp that has AMD covered on all fronts. While this thing is awesome, I wish it had 1080P or 1600X900(I like that resolution a lot on 13.3'' screens) display and AMD TurboDock (I doubt it has this since i see no vents) but hp got everything else right. The tablet weighs a lot less than the Toshiba Click 2 and its only 11.1 mm thick (4.44 inch), for comparison the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014Ed. is 7.9mm thick, which is less than 1.5X the thickness of the highest end Android tablet out there. It is also much thinner than the Surface Pro 2 and only slightly heavier (surface pro only has a 10.6'' screen). I can only imagine what 4.5W Mullins can do, even thinner, lighter, and faster devices with better screens and battery life.

 

OMG look what I found!

https://plus.google.com/+AMD/posts

Edit:
Finally found an article with more info and pictures, the device looks awesome. :thumbsup:
http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/amd-entering-the-tablet-business-new-pictures-show-all-new-device-1199565

 

Uhm, that looks like a toy for a child - not a notebook (or even a tablet).

 

It is detachable, how can it be a toy for a child, and besides that massive speaker alone makes it look high quality. And don't forget there is a docking station to go with it too, one that can charge the tablet while allowing you to attach a keyboard, mouse, external hard drive, a display that supports HDMI (or display port) and a camera/smartphone to transfer files all at the same time. That can hardly be called a toy.

 

Docking station for a tablet... ???

No portable keyboard = toy.

 

Llano was an awesome platform, full control over clocks and votlage, and iGPU performance was excellent. I was excited about the future of AMD at that time, but they decided to go all mini Watt on us.

 

This looks better than Vizio's attempt. Next, start making them and sell them as AMD GCN gaming tablets. AMD did say they're not going to build them, just concepts for OEMs.
AMD Refreshes Mobile APU Lineup with Beema, Mullins | Maximum PC


This dock 'looks like' it could house an 'external GPU' too. Maybe its just me.
AMD entering the tablet business? New images reveal all-new device | News | TechRadar


I'm glad to see DockPort moving along. Apparently its up to the OEMs to use it. HP would be the most likely OEM to actually use it IMO.
AnandTech Portal | AMD 2014 Mobile APU Update: Beema and Mullins


Cool stuff but likely won't be implemented how we'd imagine.

 

Yeah that dock is massive. It would be nice though if they did include a GPU, extra storage, and even RAM.

 

The MSI GX60/70 isn't the only high end AMD gaming notebook anymore.
MAINGEAR Now Offering AMD CPUs and GPUs in NOMAD 17 Notebooks - Legit Reviews

 

Some Kaveri details have leaked and these seem to be the mobile variants. AMD Kaveri APU With SteamrollerB Core Features 20% CPU and 30% GPU Performance Uplift Over Richland - Platform Details Unveiled

 

Was that Quicksync vs. APP?

 

There were a handful of DDR2/DDR3 capable motherboards, with a pair of DDR2 slots and a pair of DDR3 slots.
Asus P54G1C

 

Look here:
AMD Announces A10-7850K Kaveri APU Specifications and Architectural Details - Launching on 14th January With 512 GCN Cores and 28nm Steamroller

If you check the table below the second picture in the article, under cores it says: 4/8 (while for Richland and Trinity it was stated 4/4).
This seems to imply that AMD might have used a multi threaded approach to each core like Intel did.

At any rate, I think there's a strong possibility that Kaveri (both mobile and desktop) might show higher results upon release, simply because, IPC is not the only thing that AMD worked on - Steamroller B is more or less a revamp and not a mere revision like Piledriver was, and as such, it has much more modifications and everything was doubled

 

No, I think that's a mistake. It said 4/8 in the link I posted earlier but they have fixed it now, apparently it was confirmed to be 4/4. As for Steamroller B not everything is doubled, FPU still seams to be 2x128bit.

 

Well, I did structure my reply in an uncertain manner. But yes, I think I also stumbled upon these news before and noticed 4/8 initially with someone later reporting that it was changed to 4/4, and then I noticed the date the article on my link was published. It would appear they changed in the meantime.
However, we still don't know conclusively how Kaveri's CPU will perform in real-world usage given all of the major changes (still even if the FPU remains unchanged, I think HSA was supposed to take care of this).

 

hi,

sorry i am french, is it possible to put a A8-3550mx on a gx60?

A8-3550MX and A10-4600M are fs1 socket...

thank for your reply?

:thumbsup:

 

Well Trinity uses socket FS1r2, so most likely its impossible (socket FS1 doesn't support Trinity since you can't upgrade from Llano to Trinity, so the opposite is probably true).
If you want an overclockable chip you should look for Richland A8 or A10 Engineering Samples.

 

I tried an A8-3510MX in my 6475b (A10-4600M) and it didn't work. Physically it fit, but electrically the pins are different. Heck not even an A10-5750M worked in my 6475b. What a headache that was.

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Wow David, you have 7 laptops currently? Anyway it would be nice try if A8-3550MX could work in GX60, that would give lots of extra CPU power...

 

Chassis is very familiar lol.

Kaveri is gonna be really interesting. I think the future of AMD's big cores sort of rest on how Steamroller B turns out. I am pretty optimistic though. Kaveri as a whole will live or die by the quality of OEM implementations. Hopefully things won't be as bad as they were with Trinity/Richland. The quality choices were few and far between. I was originally looking at grabbing something with a setup like an A10 paired with a 7750M but everything was just a let down. The GX60 was the only Trinity notebook that impressed me at all. I'd like more options this time with Kaveri.

Why would you want Llano? Richland is alot faster in games. The only things I've seen Llano win at is some synthetic benches and a few encoding programs. GX60 is more about games and Richland is much better at that. A 45W Richland would be the best of both worlds

 

It's important to say that the CPU improvement is up to 20%. While I am hopeful that we'll see strong improvements across the board in CPU performance (a 20% increase in most cases) we can't exclude that we won't see this. If it's confirmed I think AMD would have an APU with CPU performance closer to an i5 Intel CPU than an i3 which would be great news for them.
The 30% incresae in GPU power are great news as well.

I think that if the manufacturing process was different the increases would be bigger since it is a half-node shrink.
Anyway, AMD has mature drivers now, Crossfire finally is working well with no stuttering and frame pacing issues so I think the improvements will surprise a lot of people as well as battery life with smart sleep finally coming to AMD APUs (Kabini should've shipped with this).

I just feel that the OEMs don't even try to launch appealing products with AMD chips so even if AMD launches amazing APUs the OEMs won't use them in atractive products. They deserve the slump that the PC sector is suffering nowadays.

 

I've thought Llano CPUs are superior of Richland/Trinity, of course when we are overclocking. All Llano APUs had unlocked multipliers and they could run between 2.4-3.0GHz. At 2.4GHz average about 10% faster than A10-5750M...

 

Aah forgot about the unlocked multipliers

 

I know, and here I was saying how I only need one computer in my life.

7 working laptops and two dead HP/Compaq laptops. I also have an i5 HP 8200 Elite AIO (that I acquired for $20), a Hisense Sero Pro tablet, and my recently acquired RW Moto X. I've been meaning to sell some of these extra computers. PM if you're interested in any!

I think AMD should have a bigger role in the end-product OEMs release to market. A Radeon inspired gaming device like the one we saw a few weeks ago seems like a good start. Its obvious the chips are good enough, the design choices haven't been. Maybe its just business I'm not understanding.

This is so true. I could not have said it any better my friend. Mullins and Beema bring rather impressive performance too. It'll likely go unnoticed and shoved under the rug while Intel brings $100 tablets to market in hopes of slowing down the hordes of ARM mobile computing devices. We'll see where that gets them. Apparently, they are providing "funds" to OEMs similar to the Ultrabook "funding" in hopes of persuading OEMs to use their chips instead and build products under their watch. I guess you could call it bribery, or subsidies but its a challenge for little ole AMD to push that kind of cash into the hands of OEMs. As much as I would like to see an AMD-branded end-product (AIO, desktop, laptop, convertible/detachable, tablet, smartphone, smart watch, etc. et.c) its likely not going to happen any time soon.

AMD's strategy has to be different, and so far they've been able to prove that they are more than competent in bringing great products to market despite the odds. Those products (and to an extent the employee talent) are simply not being utilized to their maximum potential.