The Ultimate AMD Trinity Notebook List

HP has an A10 laptop with a dedicated GPU, 14" 1080p screen, back-lit keyboard, and under 5lb for around $750.

Laptop model: ENVY 15z-j000

 

Sometimes I feel that PCs have gotten too cheap to support having a competitive industry. Look how much people pay for phones willingly, or add a $100 a month contract to get a big discount, but PC companies arent getting any sort of monthly service fee to offset that cost. So, I could see a time when AMD is more competitive and prices actually rise for both AMD and Intel based machines, instead of Intel trying to keep AMD out of the market with lower priced stuff and AMD based stuff cheaper so people will buy it. They have to make money to stay in business, and I dont have a problem with that, considering I buy $3000 TVs every 5 years or so and watch it less than the PC laptop I use every day that I paid $1000 for 5 years ago.

 

Acer Aspire 11.6" TouchScreen Laptop 4GB Memory 500GB Hard Drive V5-122P-0643 - Best Buy

HP Pavilion TouchSmart 11.6" TouchScreen Laptop 4GB Memory 500GB Hard Drive 11-e015dx - Best Buy

should this forum be a NEW forum because the new AMD Processor Richland. just wondering...

here a video for the hp 11z I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgbsPoL6B1A

I have notice hp making there logo bigger now.... don't like that. I like it small, in corner.

 

Very nice one, backlit keyboard and all, it's a 15" though

 

Apply Coupon MU7463 and get $50 off. $700 before tax and shipping. nice.

A10-5750m
Radeon 8750m
6GB RAM
1920x1080 LCD
Backlit keyboard
750GB HDD
BGN Wi-Fi (wonder if they blacklist other cards)

 

In my experience, HP does have a wireless White List on at least some/most of their notebook's.

With the AC standard almost finalized (Oct 2013?) and even further wifi progress to be made in 2014 - this restriction on wifi cards is a huge drawback imo to any system that has a locked in (read: 'limited/stagnant') aspect in the all important connectivity options...

Seeing what even a $15 (sale priced) Intel 6235 dual band a/b/g/n upgrade can do to a system in terms of range and more importantly throughput (have seen the same set of data go from 22 minutes to 4 minutes download speeds at the same distance/location from the router - and this from the same antennae/notebook/router combination...), this has become my #1 concern this past year to ensure that the system stays 'balanced', performance-wise in all aspects for as long as possible in my ownership/use.

How important is this to me? Well, if a system does have a whitelist (Lenovo) and I'm set on buying it based on the rest of the criteria important to me; I have budgeted up to $100 more to get the best available wireless solution now - and even delay having the system in possession 'today', by having Lenovo custom build it instead of big box store versions of the same model.

Yeah - I didn't pay $100 for the upgraded wireless only... there were other perks too - but amortized over the 4-6 years the system will be useful to me, that is money well 'wasted' on connectivity (even if I had spent that all on the wifi upgrade) when the real world improvements can be in the range of 5x or more (for each and every day it is used).


In a few weeks/months, the base card I will aim for in all notebook purchases will be the Intel 7260AC - anything else is like having a Realtek 'fast' Ethernet (10/100) port vs. an Intel 10/100/1000 Ethernet port inside and needed to do daily work with it.


In our increasingly 'connected' world that is increasingly connected wirelessly - this is a big issue for me and the major reason I have needed to replace systems in the past year that might otherwise still be in use.


What the AC standard brings is the ability to connect to almost any wireless access point offered (in the 2.4 or 5 GHz band - vs. the mostly 2.4GHz band that 'n' wireless defaults to (5GHz is 'optional' in the 'n' standard) and the improvements that we'll see in AC routers that will operate at up to 4 streams, MU MIMO and of course, the ability to direct/concentrate the wireless signal via a standardized 'beamforming' implementation that AC is spec'd on.


To give that up 'today' to save Any money at all is a foolish stance imo - unless the system will be mostly hardwired to the internet and hence, to the rest of the world.


Hope this helps someone get a system that is as well rounded as possible in all the ever changing aspects of one of the tools we use called mobile computers.

 

There's a review on the touchscreen version of the ENVY 15z-j000 on this forum, despite the balanced specs, design features and all, twas not very convincing.

I don't have the link, i prefer you to search for it cause i'm a douch

 

article I posted; i was surprised frankly to see the big drop in consumer notebook purchases across europe. bigger than the decline in business pc's : i would have guessed it just the reverse. the rout is on. market bloated with new and 'gently driven' notebooks and way too many desktops. if all the tablet guys could rally around a common standard for wireless docking [mon, kbd, charge] the game would be over soon.

 

Are HP as bad as they use to be? (I remember the constant horror stories from 2005-2011)

They seem to be the only ones consistently releasing AMD products.

 

We bought an HP DM3 in 2009 and a HP DM1z in 2011, and both have been very good. Just dont get a cheap underpowered 17" and should be alright. The customized ones off the website have been good for us.

 

I recently had a motherboard go on me during a software job on an HP G62 or something like that. Luckily the customer agreed to pay for the part and didnt make me pay for it (even though i didn't cause it). I also bought a Compaq CQ60 or something like that for $40 with a broken screen but it worked. Some weeks later the motherboard failed. Both AMD based, almost identical mobos except an HDMI port. My first laptop, an HP dv6 also gave me problems but were resolved under the warranty period. Bad luck or poor engineering/quality?

My 6475b has been great so far. Business models are where it's at!

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Had the e350 dm1z for a year, then the e450 dm1z for a year, and now my A10 g4 since december '12. No issues at all.

 

Asus VivoBook X102BA: 10 inch mini-laptop with AMD Temash

 

First review of the Ativ Book 9 Lite:

Samsung Ativ Book 9 Lite review- The Inquirer

Seems like it has a Temash APU inside, not Kabini.

 

Toshiba Satellite Click with Temash APU



http://liliputing.com/2013/09/toshiba-satellite-click-series-laptops-feature-detachable-tablet-screens.html


And this (Ubuntu) 11.6" Lenovo ThinkPad E145 with Kabini APU (looks like it may only be for UK)



http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/e145/
http://www.mobilegeeks.de/lenovo-thinkpad-edge-e145-neuer-116incher-mit-amd-cpu-semi-rugged-gehaeuse/
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201305-13630/
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options

 

What is a good Touch capable Linux OS? To be honest, if the CPU/GPU isn't good enough for games, then Linux seems like the better alternative.

 

Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E145 – Neuer 11,6incher mit AMD-CPU & Semi-Rugged-Gehäuse | Mobilegeeks.de | Net-/Ultrabooks

There will likely be a touch screen version if they sell it with Windows 8 id imagine.

 

That Lenovo E145 with the A4-5000 seems like an atractive proposal.
Finally a notebook with a Kabini APU instead of a Temash one. I just gave up hope that OEMs will ever release atractive AMD notebooks.

Another review of the Ativ Book 9 Lite. Seems that this reviewer really enjoyed the notebook. I just don't understand why Samsung didn't release this with a Kabini instead of a Temash APU.
Anyway, I hope that AMD reviews the Jaguar cores to increase battery life to Haswell levels.

 

Therein lies the problem. HP/Compaq consumer models are built with pigeon spit, gaffer tape and recycled toiled rolls. Business models are slightly better

 

By the way, here's a review of the HP Pavilion 15-e52sg with the Richland A8-5500 APU. For the first time in a Notebookcheck.net review they actually had some compliments torwards the APU since it now manages to handle Turbo mode pretty well and it even managed to compete with the Ivy Bridge Intel i3-3110M.
Even though it is one of those crapbooks (15,6'' 1366x768 plastic case with a slow HDD) it only costs 500€.

Unfortunately they complained about micro-stuttering on the Crossfire setup with the 8670M. I wonder if this would be fixed with an update to the newest drivers that had a specific fix torwards frame pacing to decrease micro-stuttering.

In here we have a review of a crapbook with the Kabini A4-5000 APU: the Toshiba Satellite C50D-A-10E, available for 400€. The APU behaves brilliantly but is totally crippled by being in a 15,6'' case suitable for 35W APUs. Yet again a case of OEMs completely screwing up with the products that they sell with AMD APUs. Why not use this APU in a 13,3'' case?

 

i'm still not seeing anything in a small form factor, with touchable screen, that can drag me away from my carry piece thinkpad x120e. it just does too many things well.
I have that M6 A10-powered 15", but it is just a nuisance to even move around, much less carry on a job with me, has a much worse keyboard, far worse trackpad [esp with win 8.1], and highly reflective display [though its pretty nice image I must say, despite its cheapness]. about all its good for is light gaming or watching 4 football games at once to augment every other display in the house. if there was a way to turn it on remotely it could make a dandy HTPC, but I know of none without doing some hardware hack or such.
i'm not interested in amd's new low-end processors - there is not enough diff to matter there but a small richland-powered one would be of interest if anyone makes.
PC numbers are falling so fast, so far, that I don't know if any vendor will sell profitable volumes of any of these new models except to large corporate accounts, and even there, many IT shops are spec'ing tablets for their future road warrior duty. I still shop, read, analyze, buy & sell, but not buy/keep-for-self.

 

Here's another ultraportable that's coming with an AMD APU (unknown which one exactly at this point) and its 11.6" display and 8hr battery life (50Whr) sound very appealing.. I started posting them (Jaguar-based) here because you guys kept on doing it instead of the other "Jaguar" thread. Whatevs I don't care.

Dell Inspiron 11 3000 is a $379 portable notebook with long battery life

"Dell’s also expected to offer a model with an AMD processor for $349 and up."

 

And here's the new HP line-up with a nice AMD tablet/notebook hybrid: the Pavilion 13 x2 with an A6 APU. Now it remains to be seen if it's the 25W or 15W version.

 

Dell's idea is better.
hp will end up with a lot of stale inventory.

 

I hope that both their AMD products sell out so that they get a hint that people want AMD APUs in their notebooks. Don't really care about either of both companies otherwise.

 

Good finds. I also hope they sell many quantities of these AMD platforms.

Its interesting to see Dell coming out with a AMD APU powered product again. I generally like Dell business notebooks. I believe their last was a Llano based 15.6" Vostro. Will they be the first ones to use Kabini in a 11.6" chassis? Fingers crossed.

I hadnt seen the 13.3" HP x2 before. Nice to see Kabini making a presence and who better than HP to bring those to market. Wouldn't a 13.3" tablet seem a bit cumbersome?

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Good to see Dell having laptop again with AMD, their Vostro 3555 was cool! But that time Intel was not competitive in therms of integrated graphics, now the Haswell for $30 extra outperforms AMD in CPU, GPU and power consumption too. Is it still smart to buy AMD instead Intel?

 

these are the right points.
and that $30 does not need to stay $30. Intel always has room to cut .
the nb makers have their hands full - the day of dockable [for real, not playtoys] handsets is within sight now and once the technicals are cleared there and a standard begins to emerge, the damage to things PC will go from merely awful to bloody catastrophic.
look, there are reasons why individuals are paying $500 for a decent handset and $400 for a tablet/ipad while balking at paying $349 for a notebook

 

Nice find, at this point hp is really the only OEM that doesn't discriminate much when it comes to cpu vendors. Also I doubt that A6 is a 25W Kabini, most likely its a 8W Temash, although if the tablet is bulky it can also support a 15W Kabini. The good news is that its quad core.

 

That's because notebook vendors drove themselves into a corner by releasing year after year loads of junk notebooks made of plastic, with crappy screens and that would break in a couple of years. Now it's coming back to bite them.
You can see the desperation in many vendors because PCs are becoming pointless for the vast majority of consumers.

 

Man, that E145(x140e) looks good, especially if I could actually buy it with Linux rather than Windows. It's unlikely it'll be offered with anything other than Windows in the US.

However, the screen is probably mediocre like the previous models' screens. I have no idea if that's completely unimportant to me or a deal breaker.

I also wish the AMD x1NNe thinkpads came with an msata slot like the intel ones... and that they came with DisplayPort.

Dunno why, but the thought buying a laptop without DisplayPort unsettles me, despite the fact that the AMD APU is better for portability, not work or play.

If I can get over these things, and I decide that the speed is enough, it'd be a great fit.

 

There have been some leaks for the desktop version of Kaveri. It seams it turns out to be the beast that it was originally thought to be. It is a 100W variant (surprising since AMD only had 45-65W listed) with 13 CUs / 832 SPs, which is surprising due to the odd number of compute units and the fact that earlier leaks indicated 14 CUs / 896 SPs, makes me wonder if AMD disabled a CU to improve thermals or if it is an error on the software side. All that's left is to hope that mobile APUs aren't limited to 512SPs / 8CUs like the Berlin Server APUs.

Check out the article on WCCF here AMD Desktop Kaveri APU With 13 CUs Enabled Radeon R5 M200 (832 Stream Processors) GPU Spotted, also they posted new articles today regarding many of the new Radeon R-200 (HD9000 series in old nomenclature) including pictures of Hawaii and the GPU to replace Pitcairn, which uses less than 150W!

 

Out of curiosity (and maybe a little combativeness), what Haswell processor's iGPU outperforms Richmond, or even Trinity, at only a $30 premium? I know Iris Pro is fast for an iGPU, but the rest of the Haswell iGPU offerings aren't that impressive, are they?

Plus, while this is also true for a lot of AMD's more recent offerings, Haswell is still just crawling onto the market.

 

Almost every Haswell, starting from the 15W HD5000, but the HD4400 also very close to AMD's top Richland. In my recent test even the old 17W HD4000 was close in performance and in performance/watt managed to be better. Than the higher TDP Intel parts with HD4600 are also about as fast as top Richland already with early drivers...

 

$30 difference, id buy the haswell version too. Itd be cool to see a head to head comparison. Kaveri cant come any sooner

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You guys think AMD will also reveal the Kaveri parts on the 25th of September.
I am curious to what they will release with Kaveri considering the rumors that the GPU is equivalent to a 7790.

 

I think we will get some information, it is time to know a little bit about. The 7790 equivalent sounds very promising, hope they won't shoot it down with 35W TDP.

 

I don't expect even half of desktop 7790 performance for mobile Kaveri, but if it manages to outperform a 8850m than AMD has a beast of an APU. Heck even if they manage to outperform a 8790m or 7750m at 1080P at a 35WTDP they AMD really has a winner.

 

anyone know for sure if this Dell will be sold in the USA? all the buzz I'm seeing is Asia. I see no mention in the states but maybe my searches are off-axis

 

If it's decently performant, I hope they have a higher-tier mobile version again, with 45w/55w TDP. Considering how much is integrated, that could be a "high performance" APU and still fit in even a 15.6 inch laptop chassis. Look at intel's iris pro 5200 for an approximate comparison.

I know TDP doesn't mean much on our end, especially comparing different companies' ratings, but you get the idea. If Steamroller is efficient enough maybe they can have a solution that competes better with the standard Intel + Nvidia combo that completely dominates the mid-to-highish part of the market. AMD's solution would probably be less powerful and less efficient but cheaper and simpler.

 

I doubt that Kaveri will be less efficient than intel when it comes out. Both Steamroller and GCN 2.0 are extremely efficient architectures, also the process shrink (TSMC's 28nm is extremely efficient right now, just look at the Hawaii GPU leaks) and the resonant clock mesh which made Richland so much more efficient than Trinity at the same node (both more power efficient and higher clocked, and not only that but also Richland holds turbo 10X better yet still uses less power) all lead to a very efficient APU. Sure Intel's Performance/power consumption may be slightly more efficient in RAW CPU tests but who cares about that now when all the top browsers today are GPU accelerated, and even windows 8.1 is I believe (at least some of its features). With games today being optimized for AMD, it seams the only real world advantage that Haswell will have is idle power consumption, and even that is questionable because amd had a lot of time to work on Kaveri, and if they implement something like long idle on their discrete GPUs to completely cut power to the iGPU and other unused sections of the APU at long idle, than even that advantage will be gone. Considering the weight behind HSA foundation (not only AMD but todays best tech companies such as Samsung, ARM, and Qualcomm), APUs, especially Kaveri with hUMA, are going to be the future of processing, at least until graphene chips show up in retail, and even Intel said to not expect that happening anytime before 2020.

 

All fine and dandy, but then when you want to get an AMD notebook you will have to go for one of those cheap crapbooks as has been the norm for the last few years.

 

I don't expect that to be the case this time. Considering the level of support desktop Kaveri is getting from motherboard manufacturers I expect at least ASUS and MSI to release competitive laptops and maybe even gigabyte will join. And you can always expect hp to put it in their newer better envy line. Samsung might bring some well designed Kaveri laptops, especially afterAtiv Book 9 lite. As always I don't expect much support from Dell nor do I care at this point. Sony is always a mistery but their drivers are crap anyways. Toshiba will probably keep pumping out cheap crapbooks. The question that's left is whether lenovo will offer one without a crap display.

 

And there you have it. Barely any decent support from the top vendors. Still marginalized to crap notebooks, or notebooks with crappy display.
The only exceptions with the Trinity notebooks were the Samsung Series 5 and the Asus U38N. The rest of them were mostly crapbooks.

Obviously that AMD didn't help with poor driver support, Crossfire problems that only now they are beginning to solve, unreliable Turbo mode, etc.
Richland cleared that out of the way and I also expect Kaveri to be a hit if the notebooks with it come at least with the 13.10 drivers installed, if there are no regressions in Turbo reliability from Richland and if it brings a low power idle mode to increase battery life to Haswell-like levels.

 

I found an interesting article and decided to post the link here even though it isn't about Trinity or Richland. I will look for a Kaveri thread later, but for now I will post it here
Finding a simple answer to harnessing unused CPU cycles - TechRepublic
This is an interesting article in many ways and it even has connection to Kaveri and hUMA. This seams to indicate that Kaveri will be huge, especially in laptops where resources are limited. At this point I am beginning to wonder if desktop Kaveri will manage to overtake FX CPUs not only in games but many productivity related applications.

 

I am not sure if this laptop has been posted here yet but here it is. Lenovo G505s Notebook PC - AMD A10-5750M 2.5GHz, 6GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, DVDRW, 15.6 Display, Windows 8 (59373010) at TigerDirect.com
Very nice slim and relatively light 15.6'' laptop by Lenovo with Richland A10-5750M, seems like matte black brushed surface finish along with matte screen. It still suffers from the usual Lenovo shortcomings like low res screen, bad battery (4 cell) and frustratingly slow 5400RPM hard drive, then again this is a $500 laptop that does look good without sacrificing performance.

 

AMD APUs Get Better Proformance in Windows 8.1

So did anyone notice a performance improvement when moving from Windows 8 to 8.1?

 

13.11 b1 driver +Win 8.1 does to me 3-5% performance increase in 3DMark 11, but I think that is only at the GPU side.

 

Did this only apply to Trinity and Richland APUs or does it also apply to Jaguar?

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I'm wondering though.
Why isn't anyone posting anything regarding AMD Kaveri?