The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

Isn't the samsung the same thing as the OCZ?

 

No....I would think that was a one time fluke with the two in the slc line otherwise Samsung would have had them out right beside the OCZ.

 

I thought for sure that OCZ SSD of any type was a re-badged Samsung? Yes? No? Am I crazy? And rebadging is not a bad thing in my play book. Dave

 

It's not a bad thing, but it isn't another manufacturer truly entering into the fray either so the competition doesn't really increase.

Cheers,

 

Actually yes and no. Its not so much a rebadged Samsung as it is a ssd coming from the same ssd manufacturing plant, in that case, that Samsung uses.

Look it as it is with your notebooks where, several companies actually use the same manufacturing plant which is not owned by any one particularly.. an example being the Compal plant.

 

There's a big difference between utilizing the same manufacturing facility and a rebadge. The first OCZs are Sammie rebadges, which is something you've said here yourself.

Cheers,

 

You are correct and I did say that. I misrepresented what I meant in that case. I can't say positively but do recall speaking with a Samsung rep who stated to me that he could not confirm or deny exactly that but, the ssd in particular did come from the same manufacturing facility. This is how I took it.

Getting back to where this started, I could never see OCZ releasing a product manufactured by Samsung even before Samsung.

 

True. especially if samsung wanted to make any money...why would they hop in the ring (months late) against OCZ who already has a good rep for the format?

 

I think we're talking about different products here. I know I'm referring to the original OCZ drives and I think you're referring to the newer Core Series.

Best,

 

Does this remind anyone else of a "House of Mirrors"?

 

Im so confused....and yes Im sure we are speaking of diff drives but it is irrelevant.

I simply expressed that, in my belief:

1. although I may have quoted incorrectly originally as stating the OCZ to be a rebadged Samsung, I believe both of the original slc drives came from the same central manufacturer (independant) which then sold them to Samsung/OCZ. Similar examples of this are used in notebook manufacturing as can be seen with the Compal plant which manufactures several different notebook brands to include Acer, Applenand Dell, I believe.

2. Believing such, I don't believe that Samsung would be selling product for OCZ to release in their name even before they (Samsung) has released that product.

In the end, I think we as consumers have tunnel vision in the belief that Sony makes Sony and Dell makes Dell and so on...to include Samsung. The product, in several cases is manufactured in a 'no name' plant (if you will) to the specifications of several companies. This may have been just the case with the original Samsung/OCZ where the 'no name' manufacturer put word out and both companies scooped it...similar to two celebrities having been caught in the same designer dress.

I have a decent knowledge of this through my contacts especially with Mtron who have been walking the line since day one on whether they should be their own company or an unnamed manufacturer who simply throws a brand on. There is alot of literature on this and the plus side is much better international exposure than they get even now.

I have been asked on a number of occasions to express my views/suggestions to both Mtron and Memoright on firming up a secure North American distributor, this after clearly expressing my opinion as to the reseller they were using which was doubling the price of their drives on resale.

Even they agreed that the reseller shouldn't make more profit than they themselves.

Lengthy.....yes......sitting here in 100 plus weather on the Boardwalk strip of Virginia Beach trying to find an excuse not to have to go lay on the beach with my wife and bake like an oven turkey. Why exactly do people elect to cook like that anyway?

 

I have seen this very thing happen in other segments of the Consumer Electronics industry.

If memory serves, the first generation Samsung drives streeted before the OCZ drives and were announced at CES while OCZ didn't announce at CES.

You're talking about two entirely different items here. The first is utilizing external production capacity to build products. This saves you big $$$ by not having to make the capital expenditure to build your own lines. This happens all over the place across multiple industry segments. You will even find "coopetition" where companies that compete in the marketplace in one arena will rely on one another for manufacturing of other products.

The second you're talking about is the OEM world where a single "backend" manufacturer builds one product and sells it to multiple "frontend" companies.

These aren't the same by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Hey Les, the new Dell "ultra performance 128GB SSD" - are these the new Samsung 128GB SSDs? Do you know their performance figures and whether they are SLC? They are replacing the 64GB SSDs at the same price point ($500 more over the 250GB 5400RPM drive).

edit: I think they are MLC

 

Got a question, well two of them actually.

I have a D620 (T7600, 2GB, etc.) currently running a Hitachi 5k160 5400 SATA I drive which supposedly supports NCQ (which I guess Dell has disabled in the bios, no option to enable "enhanced" features of the drive, unlike the Inspirons and many HPs).

I want to switch to SSD and would like a 128GB drive. What is the current favorite/best performing drive in the market to swap it out with.

I intend to Ghost the current drive, do the swap and restore to the SSD. I have swapped two drives in this machine in this way (to progressively bigger drives) so far without a problem.

Are special drivers needed to install this (XP) drive?

If so can you use the same trick for enabling NCQ and enhanced mode by installing the drivers, shutting down and enabling the enhanced mode in the bios so XP will find the drive and boot to it? I did this successfully on my HP lappy and it worked like a charm. I *really* don't want to have to reinstall everything, takes days to get it back in shape.

Thanks,

S.

 

sgogeta....

Yes mlc but at 450 as an upgrade with Dell you really cannot go wrong. I have been enquiring about info on the drive and getting one to test. I would also like to get a price on buying the ssd on its own.

 

Would it be better to upgrade to a 64GB SLC SSD or 128GB MLC SSD though? Retail pricing for the 64GB SLC is around $800 while the 128GB MLC is around $500.

 

The better ssd is the 64Gb slc without question. The only thing it doesn't have is capacity, albeit, the one thing it does have is a firm reputation. I am waiting to get my hands on the mlc Samsung, if fortunate enough, but have been reading alot about the lack of success of the OCZ recently, especially when software manufacturers are publicly apologizing for their inclusion of that specific ssd.

I am not saying that this affects every drive but it does follow the precedent set by Sandisk.

They were the first to release a consumer ssd (much as OCZ is the first mlc 128Gb release) and had alot of consumers complaining about pausing of the ssd and freezing of the system. This, again, wasn;t the case of all and their are still several happy Sandisk owners I am sure.

 

I'd rather learn that it's a design defect than a manufacturing defect that might or might not affect you. I don't like gambling with 300$. Guess i'll cancel my OCZ drive.

 

I talked to a Dell XPS rep and he said that you can only get the 128GB MLC SSD as an option for the XPS M1530 I'll talk to another rep tonight to see if anyone else can get the 64GB SLC SSD with a M1530. How lame.

 

http://mtron.net/English/PressRoom/NewsCenter.asp?sid=NewsCenter

my review first in the list

 

Nice Review!!!! I have no difficulty saying it puts my reviews to shame and I, as well, was top of that list previously.

 

Nice to meet a reviewer

Thanks it could be better but for my first try i am not disapointed

Otherwise i might update my review to use this:

http://www.managedflash.com/ ... but it will not work for a boot device because the driver at this moment does not handle critical boot files.
The driver only handles the SSD as slave device.

Actually SSDs are too expensive for normal users to be used other than bootdevice but if you have databases or datacenters it boosts alot.

But you get a big big impact with that solution.

Maybe i will update the review in that sense.

OCZ Core Random Write performance is bad.

OCZ Core


Mtron 7500



My solution at home Areca 1210 + Mtron 7500
.. Areca is good

Last line in the screenshots

OK not possible to put the areca in a notebook


There are 2 explanations why the OCZ Core perform bad :

1) No cache
2) It's not a dedicated controller .. they used a Jmicron controller inside the SSD with good performance but nothing more than that.

This 2 points are crucial ... but require a good design and know-how which would make the OCZ alot more expensive.

Associate to the fact that they use MLC .. the OCZ Core is not a bargain because it uses cheap components.

I would use it rather in a media pc (htpc) or someting like that. I think there it would make a good job.

Have a nice week

 

Can somebody tell me what the average random write for an SLC drive would be? Because I thought I saw somewhere that the random write for an SLC drive isn't much higher than an MLC drive anyway.

 

Isn't that the Mtron 7500 above?

 

AristoChat, thanks for your review. Don't you think the OCZ performance is due to bad firmware?

 

Look above, the Mtron has 3x higher random write than the OCZ.

 

Ah, my bad. Thanks for pointing that out guys.

 

More big news!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10005541-64.html?tag=nefd.top

Dave

 

WOW!...These things are being produced like babies...and rapidly too! The technology is coming to come...I can hardly wait to see what Intel shows. So far it seems like the Samsung and this Micron has the best speeds. Awesome news...thanks Dave.

 

Yes, the SSD market does seem to be exploding very very fast. The companies are learning about the finer points of the onboard controller. I came so close to buying a Mtron way back when. I am sure glad I did not. It is still an excellent drive, but way behind in price and capacity.

Dave

 

Intel and Micron announced their drives 6 mounths ago.

Till now .. nothing

I think if you see some in december it's optimistic

People don't be confused by sequential speeds look random because if these values are high then you have good SSD.

Don't be fouled ...

 

i see there is a new drive available on dvnation. both mlc and slc options. no zif or 1.8" so nothing for me. but still... anyone knows them?

 

I am looking for a 64GB replacement for my HP 2510p (just love that machine!) but I understood it has a PATA interface.

Now i looked up the samsung 64gb pata ssd and it's performance on the pata drive was only about half of the same sata drives performance.

Is this true for all SSD's?

Further I received note from a supplier (i am looking around for the best deal) that mtron will stop manufacturing 1.8 inch pata drives as there would be little to no demand.

So now the big question is, buy now at a high price (about 950 dollars in the netherlands here) or wait for newer SSD's, if they come at all?

What sort of performance do you guys get on your 2710p's? I think the 2510p and 2710p are quite alike (bare the touchscreen).

Thanks!

 

It has nothing to do with the interface, it's just that the PATA SSDs are of an older generation. The PATA interface is not quite saturated yet.

 

OK thanks,

I got a reply from Mtron that their MSD-PATA3018 drives do 120/100 on the pata interface and are 1.8inch. now only to find a shop that can deliver one to my door!

 

By the way, do the 1.8" drives on the 2510p/2710p have ZIF connectors?

 

Unfortunately, cheap does not go with fast and reliable
As demonstrated by the MLC SSD's

 

i was wondering how OCZ ranks in reliability with regard to their new 128GB SSD SATA-II drives ? i'd like to get myself 2 of those for setting up a RAID 0 in the M1730

 

I don't think it's been out long enough to truly know how reliable they are...

 

I don't recall this being posted, but Ridata entered the market about 3 weeks ago, with 64 and 128GB drives retailing at similar prices to the OCZ Core series...

http://www.ritekusa.com/pressrelease.asp?pressreleases_id=54

After rebates, it's still $4 cheaper than the OCZ

Cheers,

 

I bought the Ritek 128 GB ssd from allstarshop a few weeks ago.

 

So how is it working for you? Is it fast? ANy benchmark maybe?

 

Yes, they do.

 

And are they ZIF1 or ZIF2? Mtron has 2 different drives measureing 5 and 7mm height.

And what SSD's do other 2510p and 2710p owners have, where did you buy them and what did you pay?

I'm having a hard time finding SSD's that fit the bill, not to speak about buying!

 

I bought (and sold, needed money...) a Sandisk UATA 5000. I own a 2710p too, and it fitted perfectly. Just look at the datasheet for the thickness of the drive

 

I am interested in an SSD for my laptop, I want the boost in performance and extra durability. I also would like the largest possible. I don't know much about them, and what I have been hearing is extremely confusing. If you could help me out that would be great!

 

How much money do you have? I believe BitMicro has 2.5" SATA 416GB. Here is a table of the 2.5" SSDs out there:

http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-2p5.html

 

i was hoping for something that was in the $500-$600 range.

 

Yeah... good luck with that. 128GB MLC is the best you can do at that price range. The verdict is still out on the quality of MLC SSDs. So far they haven't had a stellar reliability rating (Super Talents and OCZ Core), and they are still slower and more power hungry than the SLC ones. However, at your price range, you'd only be able to get a 32GB SLC.

 

Just bought my RiDATA 128G MLC for $480 (ship incl.)

Newegg

Will be your all's test rat and report back. Will be attempting video rendering.