The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

Thank you!!!

 

Here is a very good video explaining the difference.
Because the ones that OP posted aren't very informative.


This might help understan why SSD's can achieve higher performances.


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I'm still up and running with the OCZ. On the other hand, it has somehow reset Vista to using the non-AHCI driver, and it is slower. If you go to the OCZ site, their forum claims that the drive is faster with AHCI disabled. Well, that's wrong, at least as far as my testing with this particular sample.

I have got hold of a WD Scorpio Black 320GB drive which is almost as fast as the OCZ Core series 128GB when the OCZ has AHCI disabled; if the OCZ is going to disable AHCI by itself (seems like this would most likely happen when Vista updates itself) then there seems no advantage of the OCZ over the WD 320GB.

 

Here's my HD Tune results. Unfortunatley I'm stuck with the onboard raid controller otherwise I think I'd see better results.

Rob

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Area 51 M9750
1920 x 1200 Res
2 7950 GTX's SLI
4 Gig's OCZ Ram
2 OCZ 32 Gig SSD's Raid 0
XP Pro sp3

 

This has probably been answered a thousand times, but i cant find it anywhere so please be gentle with me, lol

At Newegg they sell SSDs:
¤ Samsung SSD 64GB SATA-II - $790
¤ OCZ SSD 128GB SATA-II - $479

From what ive read, these drives are almost identical, yet there is a $311 difference between them, and the OCZ gives you 2x the space. Why?
And Sager had a option where they built laptops with the OCZ drive, but chose to discard the option because of bad tests. The drive didnt perform very well. Im currently looking to switch the 500GB HDD to a OCZ 128 GB SSD, but are afraid the drive is bad.
Anyone with experience or knowledge that wanna share some thoughts about the OCZ?


Thank you very much

 

I have two 32 Gig SLC (Single Level Cell flash) SSD's and have had absolutley no trouble with them. The problems I've heard about involve the MLC (Multi Level Cell flash) SSD's.

Rob

 

The Samsung is an SLC SSD, whereas the OCZ is MLC. Furthermore, the performance of the Samsung is considerably better than that of the OCZ.

 

No need to be the test rat. The benchmark is out:


http://www.alternativerecursion.info/?p=276

Conclusion? MLC = fail.

 

Keep in mind that the new OCZ "core" units are MLC and the originals like I posted pictures above are SLC and are in fact Samsung units that have been reworked to provide even better performance than the Samsung.

The 32 Gig OCZ SLC is 439. at Newegg
The 64 Gig OCZ SLC is 795. at Newegg

Rob

 

They haven't been reworked in any way that I am aware of. They are the exact same drive and controller with a simple name badge placed on the unit. I could be wrong ofcourse and would love to see comparison results of the exact Samsung and OCZ drive.

 

How does MLC= fail because the Ritech 128 gb and Supertalent 120 gb that I have are pretty good. They aren't as good as my OCZ 64 GB SATA II drive though.

 

Yes, I agree. I supposed for some people random write is not that important. For example, I don't think I do a lot of writing at all. Most of the time it is reading from the HDD.

 

Intel will unveil their High Performance SSD line at Fall IDF 2008. This is one of the first ever info about them I could find: http://savolainen.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/intel’s-nand-ssd-strategy/

Code Name: Ephraim

SLC: 250MB/130MB(R/W), 64GB initially
MLC: 250MB/50MB(R/W), up to 160GB
1.7W active/0.095W standby power for both types


Second info: http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2008-08-11/1218437069d9707.html

X25-E: 240/170MB/s(R/W), 32 and 64GB
2.4W active/0.06W idle

X25-M/X18-M: 240/70MB(R/W), 80GB
0.25W active/0.06W idle

Two interesting thing is the performance and the delta from the first article. While read performance decreased by 10MB/s, write performance increased by 40%. The IOPS figure in the read/write is pretty amazing too. The write figure is magnitude higher than current SSD drives.

Intel has been thumping about fixing traditional SSD weakness like sequential read/writes and random writes, so we'll probably see good things out of them. Fixing those weaknesses will eliminate the last areas of fortitude in performance for HDDs against SSDs.

Availability of the X25-E is supposed to be end of this year, just in time for Nehalem. The mobile versions will be for next year from what I can understand.

Remember, Micron and Intel has a joint venture called IMFT(Intel-Micron Flash Technology). Maybe the final version of their SSD will rise even higher.

SSDs have come to a point where SATA2-300 interface will become a bottleneck very soon.

 

Those are some pretty impressive specs from intel. Lets hope they live up to the numbers

 

http://www.dailytech.com/OCZ+Announ...70MBsec+Reads+98MBsec+Writes/article12671.htm

new OCZ drives. hope they have smaller write-latency now.. but at least, new ones..

 

This is pretty astonishing ramp up in performance over a short period of time.

 

now notebook users don't have much to cry anymore. 250gb is quite much. and the ones who need more storage have normally big notebooks with more than one drive bay.. so storage issue is now only factor 2. remains price...

and yeah, great to see them finally try to write "real storage" on disk. just as supertalent started.

lets see the prices

oh, and, good morning everyone

 

Just got hold of my Mtron Mobi 3000 (pata-3018-32-zif) 32GB SSD.

Too bad I don't seem to be able to put my HP 2510p laptop up to the udma mode 6; now performance is "stuck" at 71mb/sec where it should go up to 100mb/sec.

Accesstimes 0.1 - 0.16 msecs and my laptop is litterally flying; great performance boost. I think the biggest bottleneck at booting vista right now is the cpu as the HD light is not on all the time ;-)

Starting word or excel 2007 or other programs is just a blink of an eye, really cool!

Definitely the way to go. Too bad Mtron could not deliver the 64gb or 128gb versions in the netherlands but I'll just wait till the next gen SSD's when prices drop and upgrade then.

If anybody knows how to trick the 2510p into udma6 I'd be really happy; the bios is very very limited and I don't seem to be able to do anything in vista as well.

 

jup, i tried the to order the 64gb version. not sure if 32gb will be enough for my needs..

and there are no infos about other planned zif drives

 

actually, where did you ordered them from? if you get one in the netherlands, it's sure possible to get one in switzerland, too. (and, for how much..)

still thinking if all my stuff fits on the disk vista + traktor + 5gb audio for djing currently.. hmhm..

 

I am going to spring for a 64GB OCZ version 2 if the prices are reasonable! Rebates??? I hope so.

 

Is it MLC? What about it's power consumption figures?

 

Yes, MLC, but with a 2 year guarantee, I am OK with that. Do not care about power. Not a traveler.

 

all i hope for is that the 250gb ocz v2 will run better than the problems experienced with the first core series, as some people have complained about. if the v2 works with any laptop with minor (preferably no) problems, i'm getting it, assuming price at 800 or less (prob not right?) maybe around 10 bazillion

 

guys
is ssd plug&play instead of old sata150 drive?

i have vaio sz381 with 150gb 5400rpm sata150 seagate
can i buy ocz or any other ssd and just replace them?

PS any ideas when will ocz2 ssds will go out to the market?

 

Yes.

Yes.

I don't recall seeing a data attached to the press release.

Cheers,

 

I will not buy one if there are ANY problems. That is why I waited on the first release. I want to be able to move over to this new technology and just keep on rolling, but faster When these, Intel's, and whoever else's are AVAILABLE at Newegg, THAT will be a good time to buy! Dave

 

Cape...you have been waiting forever....

 

Les, LOL! Yes, for once I have been trying to be patient. The tech and prices are changing so fast, even I can hardly keep up.

I shall make the leap soon Dave

 

i've read somewhere they should be available today (monday) => incl. pricing. we'll see.

(talking bout ocz core2)

 

Can't wait... Hope your info is right
The pricing better be similar or less than their V1, except with less problems.
Am I hoping for too much?

 

i _guess_ pricing could be higher. but i _hope_, not.

my main question is, will it have a lower write latency? the quarter-second latency just can't be.

 

the cheapest for the old ocz core 32gb was 116 pounds in the UK. the same UK website has just advertised the ocz core v2 30gb for 153 pounds. so we're looking at around a 30% price increase for the lower capacities. of course once more companies start selling it, and competition increases, the price should drop quite a bit.

 

According to a OCZ employee in ocz support forums, we can expect a OCZ Core V3 in near future.

 

the V2 looks to be 900$ for 120gb.. at least in europe, at least in the two shops that have them.

V3? when?

 

What shops are those?

 

trough google i've found them listed on geizhals.at, an austrian page listing cheapest shops.

i don't have it by hand right now...

 

yeah you're right: http://geizhals.at/eu/?fs=ocz+core+v2&in=&x=0&y=0. thanks.

 

www.overclockers.co.uk

 

I think I'm going in....I'm thinking of the Samsung SLC 2.5"...but I'm not sure whether it will fit in my D620....anybody knows, or any ideas where to get this info from? My brain is just not thinking right now.

 

I'm sure it's just a standard 2.5" drive so it will fit. If it wouldn't people would complain about it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147053

 

near future, they haven't even let out the v2 and are already planning the v3s? are they expecting more problems or something?? lol.

i just want the 250gb or possibly the 120, dependin on the price and availability.

but i can't wait for v3s, especially if their prices are gonna be a lot higher. but i do admire ocz for bringing the prices down to "somewhat rich consumer level," but all i know is that the other 256gb ssd drives in the research market cost about 4500$, its good to see ocz advancing these cool drives at higher capacities and "not too ridiculous prices", in fact for me, they're worth it if they work.

 

OCZ didn't really come up with this. They've just switched to a cheaper type of SSD (MLC). The ones that are $$ are not even comparable since they are a proven tech.

 

yea i guess you're right, but i mean i don't see any other company (maybe i'm not looking) with mlc tech that is really pushing it on the market (no matter how un-user friendly the first core series was). but i mean, at least they're churning out ssds at consumer level that have good features. i mean, if i was rich, i would be getting every ssd i could get my hands on and put them in a different laptop, but for me, i am solely looking for
"in order of preference"
1. capacity
2. ease of use (compatibility with laptops etc)
3. blazing speed

theoretically, the first core series faltered in the second one, which destroyed the speed, and rendered it useless for some people, (others love it i'm sure), so i hope ocz tried to fix this with v2. and now that they have the 250, its plenty enough for me.

oh man forgot about price,
that's always a big factor hmmmm, price would be at the top, cause... well, im not that loaded. hahhaah but im happy with my life

 

Aight...thx Phil...I had to make sure.

 

MemoryC announced the prices of the new Ocz models, but I have to say I am a bit disappointed since they cost much more than the 1st generation and from what I've read they 've switched to the cheapest type MLC compared to the SLC of the 1st generation.

32GB Ocz ver1: 165euros (available)
30GB Ocz ver2: 220euros (not available)

64GB Ocz ver1: 228euros (available)
60GB ocz ver2: 302euros (not available)

128GB Ocz ver1: 409euros (not available)
120GB Ocz ver2: 532euros (not available)

250GB Ocz ver2: 944euros! (not available)

 

I am glad to see they are mentioning the real capacity now.

 

yep. thanks supertalent for doing that first and so important step!! hope everyone follows.

 

just read this (yes, it's the inq, but anyways)

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/19/idf-2008-intel-ssd-cometh

i'll take those

 

New SSD test on Tomshardware, Samsung SATA II comes out as winner. Thanks to Bog for mentioning it.