The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

No, you can run anonymously, although off topic am more concerned with memory score, but does give a disk score as well as overall.

 

http://pcpitstop.com/betapit/sec.asp?conid=22698257

 

Well, say what you want about the Samsung SSD, but it's far more stable than my Intel SSD, and I've been using it for two months without the kinks associated with the Intel SSD. Plus, I get the drive for $230, which is a great deal, so I'm not complaining.
This is from someone who actually owns a Samsung MLC SSD gen. 2, and an Intel SSD, in contrast to other people (wink wink) who simply speculate and put too much trust into a single Anandtech SSD article.

 

Here :
http://pcpitstop.com/betapit/sec.asp?conid=22699757

Ram score is weird for sure. My DDR2 scores more than your DDR3...

Got only 119MB/s for Disk score, don't know how it works exactly...just made a HDtune bench i have an average 185MB/s (208MB/S max). Whatever.

 

Zephir - could you explain these kinks and things you see wrong with the Intel? Just curious because I think a lot of people could benefit from your experience.

 

I think what Zephir is alluding to is the fact that the Samsung flash chips with Samsung controllers should be noted for their reliability but are not in the numerous spurrious Anandtech articles that are commonly linked as a reference point by individuals who haven't personally tested anything.

 

Sure, when I tried to reinstall windows once, I used the default quick format in the Windows installation process to format the Intel drive. It took an awful long time, and after one hour, I have to manually quit the installation process. Then I put the drive in an external enclosure, attempting to use another computer to format the drive, and it comes up as only 8MB in size! I struggled with it for a few days, and finally found that when I used HDDerase, the drive returned to normal behavior, and I could format easily again.
Other times, I tested the drive by filling it up past 90%, and the drive starts to show odd behaviors. Opening Firefox takes longer than normal (about 10 seconds more).
Keep in mind that these problems happen with the latest Intel firmware.
These are the kinks I alluded to, which have never happened with the Samsung drive (and I'm a big data hog, which means that I reinstall windows every month or so, and constantly moving data to and from the drive).

 

So anyone heard why it is that it's taking so long for stores to get stock on the G2? Seems like all the stores are in a constant state of back-order.

 

thanks for help guys

now i wonder if i should wait until x-mas for the new ssd (intel postville 80gb or maybe bigger) or buy it now.. i dont know if its getting cheaper or more expensive :/

also anyone can recommend a cheap shop?

thanks

 

Do you know of anyone else with these problems aside from the Firefox issue? It's possible you have a defective drive.

Regarding the Firefox issue, you should do 2-3 quick ATTO runs of the small file sizes to make sure your drive hasn't degraded again. If you're like me and you constantly move data in and out of the drive, then you run the risk of your small file write speed drastically dropping causing occasional hang ups. An (inconvenient) HDDErase run takes care of that. For the vast majority of users I don't think this will be an issue with the latest firmware.

And I actually had the chance to run a gen 2 Samsung MLC for 3 days and while it's true that it probably wouldn't degrade like the Intel did, my personal experience was that it was never quite as snappy as the Intel. Even when the X25-M was in its degraded state and I got the occasional hang up, the drive for the majority of the time gave a better experience than the Samsung.

EDIT: Plus, it's very possible that I could've created a terrible degraded state on Samsung as well had I enough time with it. This is a relatively new technology and market and it's going to take a while for us to work out the kinks that reviewers couldn't catch because of a lack of long term use at the time of publishing.

 

Well, this is only a guess, but I'd say it's because SSDs have started to enter into the general conciousness. I'm reading more and more about them, even in the popular computer mags.

So people are interested and start looking on the Web for more info - and they find quite a few articles praising the new Intels. Their main competition (OCZ) seem to have a confused product line with many similar models and no real indication as to how they may differ.

So people, being fairly lazy creatures, are opting for the safe choice and buying (or trying to buy) the one drive that they can be fairly sure is a good buy - even if they have to wait a few weeks.

 

Not sure if this has been covered, but in HD Tune what is the proper settings I should be using for benchmarking? My raid is striped at 128k, so should I set my hd tune at 128k? Default is 64k but my performance is really low with that setting?

Thanks in advance.

 

well, your intel not being stable is your problem. not a general one. my intel is perfectly stable and so is my samsung. but because the intel is so much better, the samsung is of no use anymore.

i don't just speculate. i combine my knowledge with what anandtech posted, and can confirm it. you should get your intel to work (and it's sad that it doesnt, by default, of course )

 

first: don't install your os every month or so, that's unneeded. my main used windows is always the one installed at day1 of the system, no need to reinstall over years. (so, you're doin it wrong)

other than that, for testing and such i've installed several times win7 on my laptop, and then reverted back to the backup of my vista. in NONE of those cases, i ever had any of the issues you noted.

never.

not the formatting issue, not the firefox lagging (au contraire, it was quite slow on the samsung.. not 10sec, though), etc.

you should really get your intel fixed, how about letting it get replaced?

 

no issue. if you install and uninstall all your games 4 times a day, it might be an issue. if not, no..

 

the samsung is of no use anymore

what type of samsung do you have ? and size?
thnx

 

it should get put to use soon again, as i get adapters to install them (they're 1.8" drives).

128gb 1.8" with up to 100MB/s readwrite (not second gen, but mlc)
64gb 1.8" with up to 220MB/s readwrite (second gen, mlc, too)

in benchmarks, both looked well, but as other reported, they are just not that snappy.

once i get the adapters, i put them into some atom based mini-pcs to have some silent, fast enough pcs around..

 

Hello Guys
So this morning I received my SSD Samsung 128GB
Replaced and installed Win7 64-bit in 7 min.
Here are all benchmarks what are possible ..
If somebody knows some else bench. soft , let me know
Thnx

 

Aand here is Everest benchmark:

 

People don't experience significant degradation because most people don't move large amount of files at a time. As HD movies catch on, people will soon be transferring large amount of file to and from the drive. Not everyone has cloud storage.

So what happened to your "if it's an expensive drive, it should right out of the box"?
I do the same thing with my normal HDD, and I don't see them breaking, so what should this be the case with my Intel SSD?
Also, I'm testing various OS (Fedora, SLED, etc...) that's why I reinstall the Windows back all the time.
And I'm not so stupid as to in a reinstall without HDDerase first.
So no, I'm not "doing it wrong."

Turning the table on you, maybe you have a defective Samsung drive, how about getting it replaced and see if there's any difference?

The problem is that I'll be moving large files back and forth again, and the drive will just degrade again.

I have tried using two Intel Gen.1 SSDs already, and both have particular suffered from the 8MB glitch. It doesn't happen like everyday of the week, but it does exist. It maybe a particular bug with the controller. This is not fear mongering, but be aware that the Intel drive is not problem-free.

 

Try AS SSD Benchmark. Link

As a reference, I had taken some results on one of my G2's a while back ago. Link

 

Agreed. Aside from the size increase, that's one of the reasons I'm moving towards a G2 160GB. Hopefully the official launch of TRIM will completely remove this degradation problem for people like us.

I'm hoping I'll have the drive in hand some time this coming week, and I'll be putting it through it's paces for the next 2 weeks with my heavy disk usage. I'll report back after to let you know if it has the same issue.

 

So is TRIM run automatically? How do I know it's being run successfully besides benchmarking my ssd?

 

Guys
I reinstalled win7 and windows score drive is now less
somebody know why? I had before 7.4 and now i have only 6.1 ? ?

 

For the same reason your 9600 GPU beats my 8800 GPU... because, while improved, WEI is still half retarded

 

yeah
am not bothered about 9600
am bothered about SSD drive
I had 7.4 and now crappy 6.2
I want 7.4 points back
please help
thnx

 

Sorry your misunderstanding my point. WEI is in itself retarded. You can run the same test in the same machines and get two radically different scores. I think Windows just magically makes up the numbers.

If you want your "super score" back just hack it back into the file (or if you want to go ahead and give yourself 9.9 in everything)

 

will you tell me how to do it please ?

 

Did you use something like hdderase before reinstalling?

You could have just written too much to the drive and it slowed down...

 

You can't do a wipe to retore performances like indilinx drives with samsung drives ???? Or does it support TRIM already ?

 

I had perfectly installed win 7 this morning and i installed all those benchmark softs
i installed that MFT for windows it wanted some plugin then ask for restart
I installed swissknife soft for erasing formating drives but i didnt erase SSD I reformated old HDD 250GB
and restarted windows and it completly hunged windows didn't boot anymore
i reinstalled win and installation finished and it didnt boot after reinstall win7
I had to remove SSD connect to external enclosure I connected it to apple desktop I performed erase in MS-DOS format so FAT32 then I put ssd back
win7 installer detected fat32 I deleted partition to unallocated space then create as usual and thanks god I reinstall win again everything works normal
but I rated computer 10 times and can't get back that score
really dont understand ...

 

All that formatting didn't help.

You have to use something like secure erase (hdderase) to reset the cells.

 

This should help you understand better.

VERY good write-up.

 

I think when I performing quick format only, in real, those old data are still there
Should I perform full format? not only TOC format ? (table of contents )

 

DO NOT do a full format. That will really slow it down.

 

That's so strange how SSD drives are behaving !

 

am gonna re-run all benchmarks to see any differences ...

 

Im about to swap the normal drive for ssd and do a clean install, just wondering about your comment, i shouldn't not format at all?

 

no do not format anything !!
once you receive ssd you will see unallocated space
then you will perform new raw (in win 7 where ever) and create partition and install
try keep your windows in good condition that you do not re-install win again ..
never format sdd, turn off defrag. ( i had to turn off my self.. schedule I mean)
do not install that crapware such as hd tune pro its ancient
make tests only from atto and crystal disk and as ssd software ...

 

no one will ever want cloud storage. and the degradation got proven to not happen anymore if you're on the actual firmware. so it shouldn't really happen to you, too. (small degradation is there, yes, but nothing that should be feelable during using it)

any drive can be faulty, but out of the box it works for about anyone around the world, except you? shows me yours is just faulty.

as i said.. faulty drive.

no need to reinstall because of them..

well, you're still reinstalling. but yes, you're not doing it wrong in terms of how to act on an ssd.
quite fun that i never HDDerased ever, and still tested tons of oses and setups on my intel without a problem. (or any other ssd).

no, because it's wellknown from different testers, anandtech being the most well known one. others on this very thread agree with their experience, too. and because all the benches on my drive show me it behaves as it does on all other benches, so all is fine with it. it doesn't have any bugs as well. it's just much slower than the intel in general usage.

which it shouldn't. and doesn't here.

well, if it's a repeatable bug, how about reporting it to intel?

btw, 80gb or 160gb version? i'm on the 160gb, so far, all that had some issues had the 80gb version. no clue if that makes a difference (maybe the controller has just more spare flashchips to work with to never have issues here?)

 

it isn't strange at all. anything including a format is just a "write to ssd". the ssd doesn't see data at all, it just gets writes. doing a quickformat (which vista and win7 default to during setup, so nobody should ever care anymore) it just writes the small format-layout onto the disk, which is, for the ssd, just a small "write".

 

Thx for the headsup, just another question is it fine to install Intel Matrix Storage Manager, do i need it or is it worth it for ssd?

 

hi
I just realised what you been sayin about --> hdderase soft ..
I downloaded it and gonna try secure erase .. like factory default settings
On site says about intel .. Can I use it on my samsung?

 

you really dont need that crapware that is only for information you will not get anything from there ...
if you really want to do it try but nothing amazing is there ..
better you install a chipset software for your machine .. everything latest ..

 

My ssd slowed down my acces time is rediculous !! 2.55 ms What the hell ?
somebody help please ..
should i perform erase? like here ?
http://www.iishacks.com/index.php/2...e-erase-reset-an-intel-solid-state-drive-ssd/

 

it's not crapware.

what's interesting is, it may allow to set your disks/controllers caching options in ways windows doesn't. does it on one machine. so it might be good.

but yeah, get the chipset drivers, they're the most important part.

 

You don't pay a lot of attention to details do you , because I mentioned before in this thread that I have the 80GB drive. And when I say that I fill up the drive, I mean past 90% of free space in the drive.
That's also the reason why I reinstall OS'es, because I do need to install data on it. That means that I can't dual boot between OS'es. And sometimes I don't do clean install, but restore a backup, which is quite similar to a clean install.
I will probably RMA the drive one of these days, and see what happens.

PS: If you go Google "8MB Intel SSD" you'll see quite a few hits, because this is not an isolated issue.

Also, the Anandtech articles benchmark the drives after they've been filled and emptied again, so it's not clear indication of the drive's performance while it's filled.

 

i'm sorry i forgot which ssd you had... i'm really not paying enough attention on this thread. i should make a big list with everyone posting in here, what it's specs and optional specs and other systems are to be able to help more accurately..






other than that, if you fill it all day long to over 90%, you should get a bigger one. not for the ssd, but just for yourself, to not be in that need of swapping files and oses around all day long.

 

Don't we all wish that we have a bigger drive?
But I don't have a money tree, so I'll have to wait for a while to accumulate funds and shop for a bigger drive. I would love to give Intel a chance again, and have a more positive experience.

 

well, sell your intel, and your mlc or slc samsung (the mlc is in your system now? i do have to check my big list of what everyone has now.... ), and get the intel for those two?

sort of

but i do know how not-having-enough money feels. yes, the one with too much ssds knows that feeling much too well..