The new SSD Thread (Benchmarks, Brands, News and Advice)

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/05/sandisk-announces-extremeffs-for-100-times-faster-ssd-write-sp/

100x faster SSD random writes!?

 

http://www.davepermen.net/SSDs.aspx voilà

 

This little beauty is substancially cheaper here than anywhere else! I want one!

http://rocketdisk.com/product_info.php?products_id=103

WOW, SLC, WOW!

 

jep, that's why i ordered the 64gb version of it there.

the 1.8" ones are much cheaper now, too.

 

the 2.5" 32gb: $199.00
the 3.5" 32gb: $209.00

so if we're really lucky; as
the 3.5" 64gb: $489.00
the 2.5" 64gb: $465.6028708133971291866028708134

but i guess <500$ is realistic

 

That's excellent news. It's a bit faster than the current Samsung SLC SATA II drives (and G.Skill/OCZ SLC ones) and those are around $550. I would be interested in seeing a review for the Super Talent SLC PX drives, but those are priced near $700 (all at 64GB but speeds are almost 70% faster than the Samsung).

 

The Mtron MSD-SATA3525-064 will be faster than the Samsung SLC drives? What about random writes?
Is the Mtron SLC too?

 

Yes, all Mtron SSDs are SLC. Random Writes of the 3500 Series are 60 IOPS.

 

So has anyone tested an SSD on Windows 7? Microsoft's touting improvements to the write behavior for SSDs, to improve performance.

 

I could not resist no more! I pulled the plug on this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231220

I can clone my main machine to it which gets a darn good workout each day. I will put it thru my grueling tests. For that price, with free shipping, and the possibility to return if I hate it, I could no longer resist. My brain was mush. i just had to have one of thes eto play with. Plan is to move it over to lappy when The Intel comes down in price.

And so it goes. More progress was made with SSD's this week than just about any other. I almost got the MOBI 3500, but the 32GB would not work for my desktop machine. I can just fit all my work stuff on the 64GB IF I archive a bunch of stuff to a USB external drive, of which I have about a million. These babies are the future like nobody's business. I have been trying to tell people and they do not listen. Oh well, it is clear to me that spinning drives will be for storage only within about a year. About 75% of users do not need more than 64-126GB. the rest has been all marketing hype.

 

^ MLC

post results about how it works when you put it in your computer

 

Yes, MLC, but it may still work pretty good for what I do with the computer. I like 8 tabs open, 5 IE windows open, Quicken open, Outlook 2007 cranking away, Dreamweaver and PhotoImpact doing their thing, a remote session or two active, and various other programs open/working. This wil be the test that lets me know if I can work with it or not. I do not do any burning/encoding or work with large graphics files. I wish it was here for this weekend, DARN.

 

outlook and MLC SSDs do not play very good along with each other

 

Thank you Johnny.
Any idea when you will get the 64GB 2.5" Mtrons in and what the price will be?

 

outlook doesn't play along well with SSDs or HDs in general.

 

but mlc get affected the most as far as we can see.

 

I keep reading about people who use Outlook and how it causes stuttering and whatnot slowdowns with HDD's - I am wondering why people continue to use that garbage from Microsoft? What's wrong with hotmail/gmail? Are people just fond of getting the stuff physically on their computer and storing it there?

 

There is just something about having stuff that is really personal to me on my hard drive. Email is my business and if I were unable to connect at any time I would still want access to my stuff.

Outlook is a bit of a pig, but at the end of the day, a whole lot of business gets done with outlook.

 

I would say that Outlook is probably the BEST program ever to come out of Redmond. It definitely is not targeted towards the casual email user.
Outlook's only shortcoming is that it was never designed to handle big email archiving. Outlook only gets broken when you are using it for archiving tens of gigs of emails (like I do ... 20+ GB of email archives).
If they can fix the handling of email archives and maybe the structure of the pst database, Outlook would be without peers.

 

i don't ever get what the use is of that much mail. all the important stuff doesn't get handled with mail here, as they're unreliable from a human standpoint.

imagine that ssd topic as a mailing.. it would just mess out. more targeted solutions like forii, wikies, tasklists, calendars, etc for working together are much better.

anyways, outlook _is_ quite cool, but only in combination with an exchange server.

back ontopic: my new ssd's got delivered, i should recieve them today. lets see...

 

Btw, I installed my second Samsung SLC SSD last week, and it's results are even better than the first one:

It is able to achieve 100 MB/s read and 100 MB/s write!!



It looks like vendors do guarantee some minimum SLC cell speed and some units just perform better - like with CPUs!

 

By the way, you may read just the last 10 pages of this thread. I find that the last 10 pages of the thread have a lot of information regarding to SSD and its shortcomings. I hope that helps.

 

well, you can do important stuff with anything. what i mean with, it's not important, is, mailing is sort of the hammer that solves all problems, while special tools would be much more automatic, much more errorless, much more save, etc..

mails are a very human tool. i prefer automatic, computermade tools that handle everything and i don't have to touch it. then again, i am a programmer, so that's what i always try: find the perfect solution to solve a task, in a way a human can do exactly what he needs, and nothing else.

you know my main use for ssd's so far? ordering ssds...

hehe

anyways, happy weekend everyone!!

 

Hey dave, is your 2710p screen a bit grainy? Mine is really grainy, it sparkles against a white background. If yours is not, maybe I should get the screen replaced under warranty?

 

it is grainy, but actually for me looks better like that. it's the best screen i've ever had seen so far. so nothing really annoying no.

 

FYI

Right now Lenovo has a promotion on their SSD upgrades. You get $250 off either the 64GB or 128GB SSD when customising a system. This means that through their normal web portal you can upgrade from an 80GB HDD to a 64GB SSD for $249. If you qualify for employee pricing then you can score the upgrade for $210. Good price IMO!

Lenovo uses the Samsung SSDs BTW.

 

Back again. I'm finally willing to break down and buy an SSD. Those 3500 Mtrons look amazing at that price. My problem is whether it is feasible for me. I have a Thinkpad w500 (man I wish that sale was a month and a half ago). I think I can fit my install of XP pro and assorted programs into the aproximately 30GB that the $199 32GB SSD has. Any experience with that? I'd kinda like the 64 GB one though. I also thought about doing a clean install of Vista. Would Vista fit with my bunch of programs? Should I just wait for the 64 GB version?

Everything I'd like to put on it: Battlefield 2, Slingplayer (for Slingbox), MS Office, Carrier IM, Avast, WinDVD or VLC, WMP or Media Player Classic, maybe iTunes,ThinkVantage stuff, CC Cleaner, some form of PDF reader, Firefox or Opera.

 

well, most of those apps, except the battlefield are successfully installed on a n asus eee with 4gb space.. so with xp on, it's no problem (i don't know how much space battlefield takes, though)

then again, wait for the 64gb version, it'll won't take long according to rocket disk. in 3.5 weeks, you should have it..

 

XP Pro doesn't need more than 7 GB I don't think max with service packs/updates.

 

128GB Zif SSD

http://www.mtron.net/English/PressRoom/PressRoom.asp?sid=PressRoom&xact=view&idx=171

SLC and MLC Versions

 

It won't be out for at least six months, so discussing it now is a moot point IMHO.

 

it needs 2gb and a bit after a fresh install with an xp cd with sp3 integrated. that is, without hibernate file and pagefile. and of course, without system restore.

 

this is the press release from february. they won't deliver them ever, i'd guess.

 

Are you serious? Or is this with nLite?

 

And with recycle bin set to 1%. I had XP and office on a 16GB ssd with plenty to spare. I was amazed at how little space it took if one paid attention.

 

I'm serious. recycle bin is always disabled here and if you need it even smaller, I've found a list once on what to delete in folders (helpfiles and such) to still not need to play with nlite (and reduce after installation if one happen to need that.. ).

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=80511 that one. but i still haven't had the need on the asus eee to do so. 4gb is plenty

 

I have a fully workable installation of XP SP3 (nlited) with Office 2007 Enterprise and ALL my favorite apps on my Eee 8G. Still have 4GB of 8GB remaining.

 

I think I'm going to at least see what the price of the 64 GB will be before i plunk my plastic down. Maybe it will at least lower the price on the previous gold standard, the SATII Samsung. It's good to know people are squeezing XP installs and plenty of programs into 16 GB so I would be fine. I just would really prefer the extra 32 GB. AT that price I could live with it, but if 64 GB went below $400 I'd bite the bullet.

BTW it looks like a fully patched BF2 with Special Forces takes up 2.9 GB

 

Yet in this review: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/storage/intel-x25-m.aspx?page=4

The X25-M leads in everything except the system boot time.

Synthetic tests are also interesting. HD Tach shows 142MB/s, but the Sisoftware Sandra shows the normal 234.6MB/sec expected. Jlingo, if you are still reading this thread, I suggest you test again with a different bench.

I just notice on that particular review the HDDs get higher scores with HD Tach compared to Sisoftware but the SSDs slow down. Perhaps that's with all SSDs.

Mine shows 230-240MB/sec with HD Tach, but my version is 3.0.4.0. I also use XP.

 

Post deleted - just checked these tests

 

So has anyone tried the new SUPER TALENT MasterDrive PX ssd?

It looks promising being an SLC at 170MB read and 130MB write!

But it's weird that it's only 1,000,000 hours MTBF were most MLC are about that and the other SLC are double that at 2,000,000.

 

Hmm, although the Mtron MOBI 3500's has a sustained read/write of 100MB/S and 100MB/S respectively, the MTBF, like the SUPER TALENT MasterDrive PX ssd, is "just" 1,000,000, compared to Samsung's 2,000,000 (SLC).

Now, the Mtrons have a 3-year warranty. What does Samsung have?


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Edit: 1500th post in this thread

 

The extremely small and low power Z-P140 SSD chip from Intel has 2.5 million MTBF: http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/z-p140/317505.pdf

It's an SLC chip.

SLC technically lasts longer than MLC and is faster but implementation details are more important. First SLCs had both much slower reads and writes than modern MLCs did.

 

At $800 for 64GB that Super Talent must be the worst deal of the century.
ST seriously needs to re-consider their prices.
For $800 you can get 2 (TWO!!) Mtron 64GB SLC SSDs.

 

That contradicts the specs for these drives!

 

Well, that is just since two weeks ago - and that is only for MTRON MOBI 3500, that has 100 MB read/100 MB write performance and 60 IOPS with 100% 4K random writes. MTRON Pro 7500 with 130/120 MB/s is $999.

MemoRight GT 64 GB is $1300

32GB Intel X25-E 32GB will cost almost like 64 GB SuperTalent PX - but that thing IS fast

So, the price alone is not the "worst deal" if the speed is really better than MTRON Pro 7500, for example.

And for that we need to see some benchmarks. I personally would not slash $800 for Super Talent drive, until I see benchmarks that are really convincing.

 

look at the Micron site, their SLCs do 250MB/s read and write, while the MLCs do 250 read and 100 write

the MLC version also has 64MB DRAM on board, double the Intels 32MB on their MLC

I just can't find any for sale ... ahahahahah

http://www.micron.com/products/real_ssd/ssd/index

 

Does anyone know if the Mtron 3500 64GB's price will go up, down, or stay the same on Rocketdisc after the preorder period ends? Or a cheaper store?

 

Micron's SSDs are still in the sampling phase, not in mass production.

I am also trying to get the samples

 

isn't that the company that created the ****ty controller for all the other ssd's?

if so, how ironic..