Warning: Some i7-6820HKs and i7-6700HQ have Uneven Core Temps due to Uneven Heatsink

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Repasting does not void your warranty. Like @hmscott said, just be careful not to break anything else. However, even if you break a hard drive cable for example, that is non related to anything on the heat sink so the warranty reason is always specific to the actual component issue. (ie... A broken Delete key doesn't cause the computer to over heat. Well...with Dell...maybe... )

Useless outsourced Dell Monkey's from the Zoo. They are some of the most idiotic animals I've every seen in my life. Absolutely pathetic and worthless. Not even human to me and others. SMH...

Hey, bga is bga, but ... there are some good chips that can hold their own for it being a mobile chip:

Read this.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-250#post-10439082

Train a Kangaroo to answer the door and the moment the guy says, "Hi I'm here to service your machine," the kangaroo knocks him out and runs away. - Everyone is covered, legally. Darn those wild animals.

Well the GT73VR being a hybrid is still technically a bga due to the CPU, but it's not a jokebook.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-250#post-10439082

BGA CPU and LGA CPU made of the same ingredients so I guess the bread (end product) would be the same. (Would you be able to taste the difference Papu? )

When it comes to pure power, yes indeed. The P775DM3 with the new 7700K Kaby / GTX 1080 / QHD, can be had for ~$2600. Compared to other OEM's that charge a thousand dollars more for lesser hardware.

However...

For someone who wants something more aesthetically pleasing and just games it'll make zero difference.

In fact, there will be Zero difference in almost every category between the mobile unlocked chips vs a desktop chip, unless one is benching and/or doing some serious CPU tasks.

 

Yeah, BGA is BGA. All of them is pure trash included the unlocked one. None of those soldered chips can run with decent Core Voltage and good enough clock speed vs. LGA chips. Maybe this can tell you a lot about Intel's binning and prioritizing of the BGA chips. Next level is the dustbin. Unlocked i7 BGA is a Joke!! A base frequency around 2.7 or 2.8GHz is a terrible idea. The soldered chips should only be put in lower end smaller laptops with chassis like 14" or less. Not in bigger laptop chassis intended for DTR. You can't change this although the graphics work as intended. Sorry, but I can't defend use of trash in laptops

 

It's funny how "BGA" is confused with " Intel's BGA line processors specs".
Would ball soldering a 6700k turn it to a turdbook? lol

Tbh i had difficulties with the 6700k maintaining 4.6ghz around 90c with my P870DM3, couldn't under volt maybe since its low binned or something; while others could.
And yes I delidded and used CLU on die and on IHS (between heatsink).
Though I agree that desktop processors are more likely to be better binned, but not always.
And I only wish that one day, that extra 200mhz OC would make use out of it in my life.
Also, I wouldn't prefer 6700k laptop with crappy keyboard,unnecessary loud fans and other thing for 200mhz.
Anyways to each his own afterall

 

Your response sounded like pure denial. Did you not read the post in the link? We all know that the mobile chips are not as well binned than the desktop chips. However, there is no denying that some lucky mobile chips can hold their own. You're entitled to your own opinion, but it ends there when facts and reality start coming into the picture.

So what you do have to say about a hybrid machine with a bga (gt73vr) to beat a DTR in the graphics department that's purely socketed? According to your standards, anything with bga is pure trash right that belong in the dust bin?

What is your graphics score? Shall we walk up to a "best graphics score," dust bin and see which one of our units we'd have to throw in the dust bin? (So my hybrid bga trash vs your DTR.) Hmmm... Are you sure about that? Because this bga trash turdbook wouldn't be the one going in.

It seems as if you've forgotten already, but a mobile chip vs a desktop chip is not even a fair comparison, yet you seem to get jumpy as if there is something to be proud of that a 6700K is greater than a mobile CPU? LOL... mmmm no....

What do you have...a 6700K? Okay so what do you have to say about the new Kaby Lake Mobile 7820HK if it can run 44x just fine as advertised, but on all four cores? This is 100MHz shy of what a 6700K can do on average at ~45x. How ironic that @tmash just posted what he did to support this average. Now do you think that achieving a measly 100MHz is going to be hard to achieve on the new 7820HK, when much more 'incrementally' can be achieved even on the 6820HK that's advertised as 2.7GHz?

Once again you're comparing a mobile chip to a desktop chip where the desktop chip obviously has a huge advantage. But with all that aside, even in this uneven comparison, one would have to be blind to say that a mobile chip to achieve 44x-46x is not impressive. Mind you, now at these clocks that is in the territory of an average 6700K.

Okay now what about real world scenarios?

Desktop 6700K vs Mobile 6820HK:

Gaming Experience: ZERO

Web/Email/Social Media: ZERO

Watching Movies: ZERO

School Work: ZERO

Editing/Avg. Rendering Etc: Not enough to make a huge difference if you have a mobile chip running in the 44x-46x territory.

Benchmarking: Duh

And the list goes on...

But you have to keep in mind that with Pascal and unlocked mobile CPU's that the gap isn't as big as you're making it out to be. Well in some cases like graphics, the hybrid gt74vr bga turdbook dustbin trash that you call it has you beat.

I really think that the hatred toward bga is being fueled by the reality that it's knocking at your door step even more so now than ever before.

LGA is great, but guess what? When it comes time to upgrade...

EVERYONE GET IN LINE...yes including you.

@Mobius 1, remember we just talked about how one sided people are missing the point lol... Denial... Rolf...

 

@iunlock Had Haswell LGA1550 4790k, couldn't upgrade to Skylake and thats the dead end, also 6700k --> 7700k = slightly higher clock and thats it (no IPC single core gain or additonal cores). Unlike "socket-ed" gpus in laptops, upgrades can be marginal.
I would consider LGA for turning down the costs of changing motherboard in case it fails *in laptops*, but at the same time and realistically chances that such damage could happen is really low, can be lower than the laptop being stolen.

 

Bingo and well said. That's a great point that I always tell people as well who are hung up over what to buy. I first ask them what it'll be used for. 99.9% of the people can get way more than, 'just by' and be just fine with an unlocked mobile chip.

I've asked that questions many times to folks in that...."When is the last time your CPU kicked the bucket?" --- Crickets......... every time.

I love LGA for the sheer power of it, but I can not get by with something that is ugly to me with the worlds worst keyboard and track pad. It's not well rounded like other options.

 

Don't forget 2960/3920xm and others were mobile chips and were essentially 2600k/3770k's. No handicap was needed for comparison and no one was arguing it wasn't fair. They stood on their own two feet.

So now it's changed, it is somewhat unfair to have them go up against their would be desktop counterparts because they've largely been objectively neutered compared to what we once had.
This can't be viewed as a step forward can it?

 

Huh, Acer finally managed to fix my laptop overheating problem. Motherboard replacement + top cover replacement (they broke it with wrong screw, created a hole in case ( https://goo.gl/H5qJKH))

Will bring it tomorrow to me

 

Having a 6700k doesn't mean an instant slam dunk. Like you, I also had a mediocre 6700k good for about 4.6 and similar temps delidded. The beauty of LGA is that you can have another roll in the silicon lottery without needing to live with a sucky chip for the duration of ownership- easy as pie. Second roll saw me get a Kaby 7700k that sings

 

What's the best and proper way to test overheating issue? Prime? Linx? OCCT? What settings? Duration? Should i add Fur Mark?

First test on my "fixed" laptop shows max 80c on 0 and 1 cores, via prime95. Before fix it was 98.

 

That's what i've got after Acer service center work:

https://pp.vk.me/c626117/v626117184/43aa6/j5gnY2N6Tvc.jpg

I still have some difference but now i've got only 80c max instead of 98.

But! After 40min of Battlefield 1 i had 91C on one one of cores. Will test more...

 

Very true.. My 6700K is average and ok for now but if I want something better, I can always get it and swap it!

The paste they use is junk.. You really need to repaste yourself using IC Diamond or Felix GC Extreme..

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Hi,


My unit left the factory 01/14 and it has this issue. I've noticed a solid 20 degree difference between 2 cores. Already contacted Dell to fix the issue. I have a 6820HK.

 

Hi guys,

just wondering if you may be able to give me some advice please.
I have re pasted with liquid ultra + new thermal pads to replace stock.
I have a 15 degree difference on my 6820 cores, idle is 37.. under load intel XTU benchmark the hottest is 70 lowest is 55 ( Core 0 and core 2 are the issues).
Couple of questions - is it my thermal pads creating the problem here as mentioned on the first page ? if so, what ones do i need please @iunlock ?
last question - now i have applied liquid ultra am i able to still remove the heatsink i have read it can be a pain to remove a heatsink once this has been applied?

Appreciate the help and advice, thank you.

 

Hi guys, i have resolved this.

A second repaste and a tighten of the CPU arm ! now under benchmarking all cores are within 1 degree of each other WELL HAPPY =) max CPU temp is 60 degrees across all cores.

I also tweaked the thermal pads near the CPU, again a HUGE thank you to @iunlock well happy !

 

Hey bud...Awesome!

I was just about to reply then I saw this post.

Good job!

Cheers.

::iunlock::

 

AW13R3 reviewed on http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Alienware-13-R3-Laptop.195600.0.html
Use google translate Because the review is in German. Dellienware's ceo Mr. Azor should see it @hmscott

 

Hey guys! Im new here and looking for a great laptop. One of my prospects is the AW 15, but with all this issue with the temps do you think the neew kaby lake update is worth a buy and have addressed the said issues? Thanks!

 

Same ****y. My previous post with the pict show the explanation of Kaby lake in 15R3
For the reviews http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Alienware-15-R3-Laptop.194724.0.html

 

Super excited, just got my 17'' R4/gtx1080.

Ran prime 95 first thing out of the box and was given core temps of ....92,52,98,57 within the first 5 seconds. I'm going to go ahead and assume thats not good? I'm trying to keep up with this thread but a lot is happening. Whats my best course of action at this point?


update-Spoke to Dell, they confirmed the CPU is throttling under load and are sending a tech out.

 

So would you still recommend people buying an Alienware or stray away from it? Also what is the acceptable level of temps in a laptop?

 

if you mod the laptop yourself and repaste + sort thermal pads / heatsink out . Keep it.

The cooling system is more than adequate enough to cool the laptop, speaking from ownership with the 17 R4. i have the 6820 overclocked to 4.1 Ghz - max temp is 60 degrees and gpu is overclocked and a GTX 1080 max temp is 54 under synthetic load.

 

That's good to know your laptop is doing good! I know I can have the laptop modded out when I get home by my friend but, isn't that bad that you bought a laptop around 2000$ + just so you'll be fixing it yourself due to bad QC?

 

It is yes, but ultimately if you can get it sorted its well worth it. The build quality on these latest revisions is starting to really improve and its a well made machine, i would imagine the 15 is the same.

Personally - the M18x r1 / r2 were the best made laptops from alienware, but these latest ones are much better when compared to the 17 R1, 17 R2 and 17 R3

 

Hm, I guess sooner or later I'll have it repasted. Hopefully it can last me atleast 3 - 4 years with just simple fix needed and not the motherboard giving out. Do you know a place in the U.S. I can have it repasted and how much? I'm planning to buy from best buy an open-box will do or brand new.

 

@iunlock @Mobius 1 should be able to help you out maybe ?

 

I would not recomemmend any laptops with soldered hardware. Be it AW or from other brand. As you can see in this thread I post below... Not the first time Dell has produced flawed hardware design and screwed up these Aw models with soldered hardware. The previous Alienware "Echo" models from early 2015 isn't yet fixed...!! And will never be!!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-says-thermal-but.801219/page-3#post-10460240
You will find a lot of similar with a fast Google search.

And how long time is there since those new AW models with this Tripod cpu heatsink was released? 6 months??? And they are still with exactly same overheating and uneven core temp problems.

 

So i decided to repaste my Acer G9.

1. Bought this paste:


2. Opened my laptop:


3. Took my cooler away:


4. Cleaned everything:




5. Put a new paste:


And it became worse. +3C instead of -20C. What was my mistake?

 

All too much thermal paste + the paste you used isn't the best quality. Rather buy Gelid Extreme, ICD or Grizzly Kryonaut. Prolimatech PK-3 can be an option as well. But for best results... Coolaboratory Liquid ultra if the heatsink is of good quality.

 

I found out that best buy offers services like repasting and stuff do you think that's a good idea? I'm planning to buy my laptop there anyway.

Hm, but iunlock recommends Alienware because of their great design and it's a good laptop? Well, what laptop would you suggest then?

 

Take a look on the MSI 15 inches barbones with fully socket hardware. Same for the bigger 17 inches Clevo P870KM1. <Pretty> Thin slim design wouldn't give you pure processing power for future needs.
Talk with bro @Mr. Fox if you want info about both models. He have both!! A former well known AW owner who jumped of the AW ship!!

 

About the barbones, it's still MSI right? So, if I need parts and stuff even though they don't have a service center can I have it serviced at an MSI center?

 

I think services should be done by the resellers who sold you the laptop. You have warranty from them. Msi fronting their BGABOOKS and have more than enough with this. Take a look into the specific threads for suggested models and ask questions

 

msi warranty is applied but should only be considered secondary

at least on the 1070 version @Diversion is able to get it registered under their warranty





also highly recommend buying through @woodzstack for msi 16L13

 

Yes, services should be done by the one who sold it to me but I'm buying it in the U.S. and taking it with me home to Asia. We don't have service center there by Alienware but they do sell dell here so it's covered in the warranty by on site techs. As for MSI we have service center here by MSI that's why I'm asking if it can be serviced by MSI because if I needed servicing I'll just be paying the parts needed and the service. Is Alienware that hard to maintain compared to other laptops? I'm aware that most gaming laptops have defects and issues but seems like Alienware has a design issue but there's a fix around it which iunlock posted?

 

The MSI barbones is very easy to maintain yourself. Easy accesss to all parts if needed. You could as well use a repair shop in the neighborhood if you can't do it yourself. But as I said. A very easy machine to work with. You find a teardown video for the machine posted in one of the threads here also.

Edit: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/eurocom-tornado-f5-mini-monsterbook-review-thread.800796/

 

Thank you for the mention Mobius, I appreciate it.

Yeah I have enough F5's in stock to serve everyone , come one come all ! My services are decent too, if I may say so, I try and be very fair priced and flexible and stay in communication as best as I can, for anyone wondering.

But anyways - I think this is the wrong thread to get into that

 

Yikes. BEST BUY? RUN... I wouldn't trust them... Then again it depends on who it is, but still. Unless they warranty their work since they are a commercial big block chain store, I wouldn't touch that thought with a 10 foot pole.

If money is tight try to find someone local and savvy, however there are other options...

+1 if OP wants pure POWER F5 all the way.

There are options and we can help. Or order from someone like @woodzstack that knows what they are doing if you wanting a 15" beast (F5)

Support @woodzstack.

::iunlock::

 

Hey iunlock thanks for replying! Good to know I shouldn't do it in best buy. Money isnt an option on repasting and stuff on the laptop. I just don't know where to have it serviced around the area I'll be in the U.S. (San Jose CA). Do you know any place that I can have it serviced to have it repasted, pads and the fix on the heatsink if it still exist?

@woodzstack do you have Alienware and do you accept card as payment? lol!

 

Thx. I had pretty bad situation after Prime95 bench, but then i played Battlefield 1 for an hour and that's what i had:



And i have a question, is there any other game that stress CPU+GPU more then Battlefield 1? Cause if i'll have high temperature only in synthetic benches, i'm okay. I'm interested in real life use.

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-most-demanding-pc-games-right-now/

 

Well, Ashes of the Singularity maybe. But others are for gpu which never gets over 65C.

 

I have a few Alienwares, adn depends on the card.

 

Yeah i agree with POWER F5 ! The thing is fantastic, far from perfect but BOY IS THAT THING A POWERFUL LAPTOP!

hey thanks for the vote of confidence iunlock ! I only ever hear about good things from you and your support too !

Kudos for that man !

 

I haven't committed to reading this entire thread, so I am unsure, but are you having trouble playing BF1 or suffering some sort of crash every so often ?
(Just curious based off what I have read... I'm half here, in the middle of helping someone via phone..)

 

Nope. Everything is fine.

 

cool then !~

 

What tests do you guys run when testing a newly bought laptop to see if it has defects?