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    mSATA & 1.8" SATA SSDs available

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by master blaster, Dec 17, 2010.

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    Mine will be substantially different with performance results...within a week.
     
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    I'm interested too...

    I'm just choosing an mSATA SSD for my x220 (80Gb or greater) and that's what I've found:

    Runcore T50 120Gb 320$

    Renice X3 120Gb 300$

    Runcore I50 120Gb 250$

    OCZ Nocti 120Gb 250$

    MyDigitalSSD 128Gb 210$

    Intel 310 80Gb 180$

    Now... I don't like much the OCZ Nocti and I prefer the Runcore T50 over the Renice X3 (for 20$ more you have SATA 3 speeds, I know they're useless now... But future wise they'll come at handy).

    I really dont now what to tink of the Runcore I50. Judging from the specs it's all like the Renice X3 at 50$ less but I can't find a bench...

    MyDigitalSSD as the best $/Gb ratio, but I'm not impressed by the random read speed (a parameter that I consider much more important than the sequencial speed).

    Intel 310 seems the more stable of the group, even if it's the smaller one and the slowest at writing.

    Overall I'm concerned by the known stability issues of the sandforce controllers... What is your impression? They're really so pronte to BSODs?

    Which one will you choose and why?
     
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    No more SFR concerns with fw update... I have the T50, X3, 310, PM800, new Toshiba, as well as the Kingston 64GB mSATA
     
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    MZMPA128HMFU

    Is this the PM810 Samsung mSATA SSD?
     
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    @Ryan:

    Yes, MZMPA128HMFU should be the code of the Samsung PM800 mSATA SSD 128Gb... Sometimes it may be found on ebay, priced around 300$

    Samsung PM800 MINI CARD PCIE 128GB mSATA SSD MZMPA128HMFU For X220 W520 X220I | eBay

    By the way, someone knows the difference between PM800 and PM810? I think they're the same, maybe one in mSATA format and the other in 1.8 / 2.5 format...

    @Series 9 Guy:

    What do you mean with SFR? It's an energy saving feature? So even you don't have a Runcore I50... The veil of mistery will persist on this SSD!

    Good testing!
     
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    Apparition Notebook Consultant

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    Just got my Z830...put the Runcore in and discovered it only reached SATA 2 speeds even though the chipset and SSD are SATA 3... hate that probably several companies cheaped out like this.

    It is still an AMAZING ultra!
     
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    Toshiba has SATA-II capped the R830/R840 and probably done the same to the Z830. See details. A solution already requested at Toshiba Portege Z830 / Z835 Bios Unlock .
     
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    If this solution can be found....I need it. I have had my hands on just about every other Ultra and this one, IMHO, is the cream of this crop. Took a five hour trip tonight and got a report done on route only because of the backlit keyboard. As well, this system is a half pound lighter than some ultras and definitely noticeably lighter in weight to all. I had heard some were concerned because of the flexible screen but it is unavoidable as it is so thin... The build quality of this system is excellent and I havent found anything yet that I would change in the physical appearance...

    Having said that, I am a bit disappointed as only one stick of RAM can be changed out which means 6GB is as high as she goes...
     
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    why arent any of these drives sold on big name sites?

    i really dont want to buy things from chinese sellers on ebay, or anyone on ebay for that matter.
     
  11. Ryan

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    I'm neither Chinese nor am I selling it on eBay.. :D

    Check out the marketplace.
     
  12. MaX PL

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    well in my case it'd be going into a T410s which is micro-SATA according to the OP

    how would i go about getting that in there? i'd need some sort of enclosure, but even then, would it fit?
     
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    mPCI-e to 1.8 mSATA enclosures exist. :D

    It would fit. But it would be less of a hassle to get a 1.8" SATA..
     
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    The Intel/Kingston/OCZ mSATA drives are sold on the big name sites like Amazon and newegg. The Runcore and Renice are sold by MyDigitalDiscount.

    If you have found one, please link it. Otherwise quite a few vendors have mPCIe-to-2.5" SATA interposer adapters.
     
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    sure will. post links to the benchmarks you want me to run.

    should have it in 2 or 3 days. will likely run tests on sunday and post em.
     
  18. J27h

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    This may be interesting:

    New Samsung mSATA SSD in production!

    Samsung Announces mSATA SSDs for Ultrabooks

    Name: PM830
    Capacity: 32 - 64 - 128 - 256 Gb
    Port: SATAIII
    Sequential Read speed: 500 MB/s
    Sequential Write speed: 260 MB/s

    To take advantage of that speeds we need a SATAIII mSATA (as with the Runcore T50)... Any of you knows if the 2012 notebooks (like the new thinkpads) will have it?

    Ivy Bridge has enough SATAIII ports or will be limited to two ports like the actual Sandy Bridge?
    The actual mSATA SATAII limit is a Chipset limit or a mSATA standard limit?
     
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    SSD Samsung PM830 256gb mSATA 50mm, when???
     
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    hi to all....
    I am a new user I hope help from the owners for a Lenovo laptop Y570 Did they have Micro SATA port in case I want to buy Hard SSD like mydigital 128GB Are all models Y570 mean core i5 core i7 or ..... containing this port.
    Because I read in the site Lenovo it is optional Does this mean this port only in who are the originally comes from Lenovo contain a SSD Hard or optional mean the laptop It has this port and I can install the SSD in any time I want .
    In the end I'm sorry if my English was broken and I hope you can help as soon and Thanks for the help ......... :)
     
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    I believe they all offer the mSATA miniPCI port.
     
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    OP, you can add the HP ENVY 17-3xxx to the list of notebooks that take the mSATA SSD II.
     
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    It seems the 1.8" microSATA standard is being phased out by mSATA and 7mm 2.5" SSDs instead. So microSATA users may wish to acquire a mSATA SSD + 1.8" adapter instead. Here's some I found:


    US$22 microsatacable's mSATA to microSATA adapter

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    US$17 soltec mSATA to microSATA adapters

    There are shown here and are available on yahoo.co.jp for ~US$17.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Nando here is a new addition to the list - Samsung Series 7
     
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    Just as an FYI is seems the specs of OWC Mercury Aura Pro 1.8 have been changed. The controller in now a sandforce SF2181 instead of a SF1222 and the flash change from 3X-nm to 2X-nm. I just got one and put it into a HP 2530p-
    After initial windows 7 install-

    Sequential Read : 239.693 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 167.692 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 215.878 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 166.441 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 18.473 MB/s [ 4510.0 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 41.736 MB/s [ 10189.6 IOPS]
    Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 134.271 MB/s [ 32781.1 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 111.268 MB/s [ 27165.1 IOPS]
    Test : 500 MB [C: 16.2% (18.1/111.7 GB)] (x5)
    Date : 2012/04/27 16:54:03
    OS : Windows 7 [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)
    After using for a bit-
    Sequential Read : 234.511 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 139.494 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 204.482 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 140.877 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 10.894 MB/s [ 2659.6 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 31.634 MB/s [ 7723.0 IOPS]
    Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 133.095 MB/s [ 32493.8 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 139.805 MB/s [ 34132.1 IOPS]
    Test : 500 MB [C: 28.5% (31.8/111.7 GB)] (x3)
    Date : 2012/04/29 23:10:43
    OS : Windows 7 SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

    This is my first ssd and I am not skilled at benchmarking but I am surprised at the drop in Random Read/Write 4KB and write speed reads after using for 2 days. Is this normal?
     
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    A few mSATA additions Lenovo Y480 and Y580 and e430

    Hewlett-Packard Folio 13-1000
     
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    I seem to remember a thread where some people were unable to install an mSATA SSD in their Dell M6400 due to a hardware issue of some kind while other owners did not have the problem with the same computer. A search in the forums for Dell mSATA issue brought nothing up for me so I am at a loss.

    Hope someone can point me to it because we are have a support issue where a guy is having issues installing any mSATA SSD in his M6400. He says he has tried a few different brands and models.

    Thanks,
    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    Another question, I have a customer with an Ultrabook who does not want to buy an external mSATA adapter (would make for a simple clone) but he does have a portable USB HDD. What would be the best way for him to clone his full system to the HDD take his old SSD out and put in the new mSATA in and reload everything onto it? For free I might add.

    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    Use Linux tools such as dd, fdisk, ntfsclone. Plenty of magazines come with a free Live Linux CD that can be booted up, or can download and write the Linux to a USB stick using http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/

    Once Linux has been booted I do my disk imaging using the same method described at Transfer Windows to New Hard Disk with ntfsclone - Edoceo, Inc.
     
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    Any half height msata out there? Couldn't spot any on MDD's website
     
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    Yeah that is going to be way over my end customers head. They need one of those next next next type software's.

    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    Yes MyDigitalDiscount has them but very few left and I don't think we will be making any more so you may want to call them with some urgency. It took me around 4 months to sell 50pcs of the 32GB model. What will you be using it for maybe I can figure out how to market to people that have that same demand.

    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    It's really more just to test to see if something works, just for fun. I have an intel msata 310, but it's too big. Where is it on your website, I must be blind because I can't find it, or is it unlisted?
     
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    Well because I am a reseller I am unable to post links but if you go to the MyDigitalDiscount web site and type this into the search MDMSM-32 it will come right up.

    What computer are you trying this on?

    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    Vaio SVZ. Curious if the slot used for the WWAN will work or not. Figured I could put my recovery partition there instead of eating up space from the main 256gb R0 setup or putting it on a flash drive i might lose.
     
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    The WWAN slot will have USB pins 36 and 38 connected. To have any chance of a mSATA SSD working, please check if pins 23, 25, 31, 33 are connected. If not, then it's USB only which is the more likely scenario.

    If the USB port isn't whitelisted by the bios, then you could use one of the following to permanently attach a SD card for extra storage of such things as you recovery partition:

    MR14 (Micro SDXC/SDHC/SD Card to mPCIe adapter ver1.1)
    MR15 (Dual Micro SDXC/SDHC/SD Cards to mPCIe Adapter)

    REF: Mini PCI Express Bus Description; MiniCard Interface for the Laptop PC
     
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    Has anyone had any luck with MyDigitalSSD (or any other brand) MDSSD-BP-S18128 and the Dell E4200? The problem seems to be the case and the mounting holes. First, the case needs to be removed. Then, the mounting holes seem to be in the wrong place. See this.

    What I'm thinking about doing is just getting a 1.8" micro SATA SSD with a case, removing the case, and then just mounting it with some double-sided foam tape, or some other type of kludge. Since they are so light, it seems that just sticking some spacers in there to support it under vibration should be good enough.
     
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    Similar sort of discussion RE: Dell E4200 and non-Samsung replacement SSDs found at replacing Dell E4200 SSD? 2.5" or 1.8" - [H]ard|Forum . You may also consider wiring the eSATA port internally to some empty space (expresscard slot?) where you can then host a mSATA SSD. Then you'd have a dual-drive system.
     
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    can i put this ssd in my old T61 with middleton bios? :D

    if the answer is no, then I will go for 2.5inch SSD :D

    did a little research, and the answer is no :D
     
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    I have successfully upgraded to an Intel 320 Series 300GB 1.8in drive in my e4200. The drive can utilise the lower edge mounting pin and screw hole. It is a perfect fit for the available area so its squeezed into place. This is what everyone wants to see right?

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    I don't mind opening one of ours up to take some measurements could someone tell me the hole measurements.

    MyDigitalSSD
     
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    This benchmark is in a Dell E4200. Core2Duo U9600 1.6Ghz, ICH9 Controller, Intel RST Driver 10.8
    Current Windows install is 18 months old

    Samsung MMCRE28GTDXP-MVBD1 Firmware VBM24D1Q

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    Intel SSDSA1NW300G3 Firmware 0362

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    For some reason the Samsung was running like poo. I imaged the same OS to the new drive and look at the performance!
     
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    Jaik, thanks for posting those benchmarks. I've been interested for a while in seeing a 1.8 Intel benched in a similar speced laptop.

    This is the 256GB 1.8 MicroSata Samsung G3 470 PM810 MZUPA256HMDR in a Sony TT.

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