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*update 5/1/11
I just put up my review of the 8560p here http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...38-hp-elitebook-8560p-review.html#post7442118

This thread is to discuss the 8560p. How come a thread doesn't exsist already? Do people not like the 15 inch version? Anyone own this yet? If so I would love to hear a review. How is the quality of the screen. I switched my order from the 8460p to the 8560p because the screen on the 14 inch sucks. Hopefully it's still good on the 15 inch model since the 8540 got great reviews on the screen.

Yoshimeow, Apr 24, 2011

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don't think the 15 inch model is very popular on here. Anyways I have one on order that should get here late this week or early next week. If anyone wants a review on it let me know otherwise it doesnt look like there is much interest in this model.

Yoshimeow, Apr 25, 2011

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Very interested. Too bad you can't have a 14" side by side.

Duffin, Apr 25, 2011

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Yea I almost wanted to ask our vendor if I they could let me try both to see which one I like better but I decided to trust other peoples reviews on of the 14 inch model. They had actually already sent the 14inch model and it's in transit but they stopped the shipment and had UPS reroute it back.

There has been enough complaint dating back to the 8440p/w screen and it appears the 8460p has the same screen. It really is a bummer since I definitely prefer the 14 inch compact size and weight. I also dont need the extra numeric keys on the side which will just make me type off to one side. But one of the most important things to me in a notebook is a nice screen.

Anyways I'll post a review on here and pics if there is enough demand on here. It seems like the 8560p model is less popular than the 8460p.

Yoshimeow, Apr 25, 2011

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I'm looking forward to your review Yoshi. I have ordered this laptop already but I still look forward to hearing a review on it from an actual user.

hamstring, Apr 26, 2011

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I have no doubt that the 8560p has a much better screen, but I still don't understand why I can't order the Full HD screen for the 8560p when it says so in the specs ?

wii, Apr 26, 2011

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wii said: ↑

I have no doubt that the 8560p has a much better screen, but I still don't understand why I can't order the Full HD screen for the 8560p when it says so in the specs ?

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maybe they are saving it for the W series only? or they have sourcing problems. I was seriously looking at a envy 14 but found out HP couldnt source the higher res radience display and it wasnt even a option anymore.

I read the regular full HD screen the brightness/contrast wasn't as high as the HD+ screen. That is unless you get the HP dream color display but that adds around 400-500 to the price and is only available on the workstation models.

Yoshimeow, Apr 26, 2011

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maybe they are saving it for the W series only? or they have sourcing problems. I was seriously looking at a envy 14 but found out HP couldnt source the higher res radience display and it wasnt even a option anymore.

I read the regular full HD screen the brightness/contrast wasn't as high as the HD+ screen. That is unless you get the HP dream color display but that adds around 400-500 to the price and is only available on the workstation models.

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It seems intuitive that the 14" HD screen (1366 x 768) is worse than the 14.0" HD+ screen (1600x900).

But are you guys saying that the 15.6" HD+ WVA screen is way better than the 14.0" HD+ screen (both being 1600x900)?

Yesterday, I compared a 8540w (1600x900) screen to my 5 year old laptop screen (Dell D820 15.4" WUXGA 1920x1200). The Dell was way better. The text under desktop icons was blurry on the 8540w and now I am reeling that the Elitebooks aren't shipping with good screens.

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Duffin said: ↑

It seems intuitive that the 14" HD screen (1366 x 768) is worse than the 14.0" HD+ screen (1600x900).

But are you guys saying that the 15.6" HD+ WVA screen is way better than the 14.0" HD+ screen (both being 1600x900)?

Yesterday, I compared a 8540w (1600x900) screen to my 5 year old laptop screen (Dell D820 15.4" WUXGA 1920x1200). The Dell was way better. The text under desktop icons was blurry on the 8540w and now I am reeling that the Elitebooks aren't shipping with good screens.

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Yes the 15 inch 1600 x 900 screen is way better than the 14 inch 1600 x 900 screen according to reviews from notebook check, etc.

The main difference being the contrast ratio.

Yoshimeow, Apr 26, 2011

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Yoshimeow said: ↑

Yes the 15 inch 1600 x 900 screen is way better than the 14 inch 1600 x 900 screen according to reviews from notebook check, etc.

The main difference being the contrast ratio.

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I could only find the notebookcheck review. What are the others for 8460p and 8560p?

Duffin, Apr 26, 2011

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I could only find the notebookcheck review. What are the others for 8460p and 8560p?

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There are no reviews for the 8460 and 8560 yet. I am using the 8440 and 8540 reviews. Supposively they use the same screens.

Yoshimeow, Apr 26, 2011

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maybe they are saving it for the W series only? or they have sourcing problems. I was seriously looking at a envy 14 but found out HP couldnt source the higher res radience display and it wasnt even a option anymore.

I read the regular full HD screen the brightness/contrast wasn't as high as the HD+ screen. That is unless you get the HP dream color display but that adds around 400-500 to the price and is only available on the workstation models.

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Actually, HP has NO DREAMCOLOR screens at all for any models and it is exactly like the situation with the Envy 14 Radiance screens, and probably will not change until at least September. Do not order this computer (or the 8760w) if you need it with a high resolution, wide color gamut, high contrast screen anytime soon. Do not believe Hp's "Estimated Delivery." And, whatever happens do not, do not, do not let your problems fall under the "Executive Case Management" dept in Canada! It is a black hole of rude, ill-informed, untruthful control freaks and once they "own" your case they will cut you off entirely from accessing any other customer support or tech support group in HP and they will call you and taunt you about their absolute power over you! I have never complained about HP (or any other vendor) before on a public forum, but I am not alone in my experience and I feel a obligation to fellow NBR members to warn them away from the Elitebook line. And, from what you read in the other Elitebook workstation threads, the only thing worse than ordering one and NOT getting it, is getting it and needing to replace every major component at least twice in the first month! Read the threads and see that I am not just whining and dissing HP because I am personally being screwed!

lovelaptops, Apr 27, 2011

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WRONG! HP has NO DREAMCOLOR screens at all for any models and it is exactly like the situation with the Envy 14 Radiance screens, and probably will not change until at least September. Do not order this computer (or the 8760w) if you need it anytime soon. Do not believe Hp's "Estimated Delivery." And, whatever happens do not, do not, do not let your problems fall under the "Executive Case Management" dept in Canada! It is a black hole of rude, ill-informed, untruthful control freaks and once they "own" your case they will cut you off entirely from accessing any other customer support or tech support group in HP and they will call you and taunt you about their absolute power over you! I have never complained about HP (or any other vendor) before on a public forum, but I am not alone in my experience and I feel a obligation to fellow NBR members to warn them away from the Elitebook line. And, from what you read in the other Elitebook workstation threads, the only thing worse than ordering one and NOT getting it, is getting it and needing to replace every major component at least twice in the first month! Read the threads and see that I am not just whining and dissing HP because I am personally being screwed!

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Tech Data has 137 8560p in inventory. There are many sources to purchase pre-configured models besides HP direct.

Sorry you are having a lemon experience, but your warning doesn't have many supporting facts or links that pertain to the 8560p or other threads.

Duffin, Apr 27, 2011

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[ quote=Duffin;7424045]Tech Data has 137 8560p in inventory. There are many sources to purchase pre-configured models besides HP direct.

Sorry you are having a lemon experience, but your warning doesn't have many supporting facts or links that pertain to the 8560p or other threads.[/quote]

 You cannot purchase an 8560p with a Dreamcolor screen and I am referring only to CTO orders. My information comes direct from HP sources. I am not at liberty to disclose sources because I have to protect myself in the event of legal action. I am well known on these HP threads and I am neither a "hothead" nor one to promulgate rumors.

Again, the Dreamcolor screen is not available on the 8560p or on any pre-configured models. HP has done exactly what Yoshimeow (who I was quoting in my post) said: HP's advertised hi res, wide color gamut screens, first for the Envy 14, more recently for the 8540w (which had been available for CTO orders until early this year) and soon the 8560w and having no inventory of these screens and no foreseeable likelihood of obtaining them nonetheless took orders for them and promised delivery within 14 business days though they were either unavailable forever(Envy 14 Radiance) or for more than 3 months (8540w). My original order was for an Envy 14 with a Radiance screen as well and it arrived defective in mid January and, after I sent it back for warranty replacement, HP stalled for 3 weeks then said they were going to provide an 8540w with a DC2 as a replacement, refusing to say why they could not replace the Radiance screen in the Envy (it has since come to light that they actually SOLD every single Radiance screen they had in inventory and had no supplier to replenish them and left 10,000+ owners with warranties without recourse if their Radiance screens fail. It is quite clear if they cannot deliver an 8540w ordered on Feb 23 until some unknown time they now say is "sometime after May 15" - admitting it is because they cannot get the DC2 screen in 15.6" - that there is a problem here as well. I suspect it relates in part to the switchover to the much maligned 16:9 aspect ratio. Nonetheless they have been accepting orders to this day promising to deliver 8540w models with DC2 screens yet have not fulfilled a single one for over 3 months. If anyone has facts to the contrary, I would appreciate knowing about them. I have a separate thread on this forum asking if anyone has received an 8540w CTO since February of this year, since HP insists to me that no one has.Normally one is not required to "prove" a statement that comports with the experience of other members nor if it sounds reasonable on its face and comes from a member with over 700 posts, generally constructive and helpful to members and, until this event, quite complimentary of HP. I hope you and others are happy with their 8560p units with standard, low res, low color gamut 16 X 9 "entertainment" screens. I am among the HP business class buyers who require the high end components advertised by HP for its workstations. The Envy 14, while not a business class product, happened to have the only other high quality screen in HP's entire product portfolio, which is why HP proposed to replace mine with a workstation valued at more than twice that of the Envy 14 I had purchased. None of this makes sense to me unless you accept the premise that HP's supply chain and inventory control process is a complete disaster and the result is they cannot supply products though they continue to offer CTO orders of them with promised delivery dates they haven't a prayer of meeting.

At a minimum, I have always considered NBR a forum which encourages members to report their experiences to other members to save people major grief when ordering certain products and to give them a chance to check the facts for themselves.

lovelaptops, Apr 27, 2011

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Yeah, I'm sorry this happened to you, but it's not fair to post this everywhere HP is mentioned, you already have a topic dedicated to this.

wii, Apr 27, 2011

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[/quote]You cannot purchase an 8560p with a Dreamcolor screen and I am referring only to CTO orders. [/QUOTE]

I am afraid you are jumping into a discussion and making huge flaming points that are confusing.

No one in this thread is assuming the Dreamcolor screen is available for the any of the "P" series Elitebooks. We were discussing:
a. the difference between the 14" HD+ screen on the "P" and "W" series compared to the 15.6" HD+ WVA of the "P" series and the "W" series
b. how the 2010 and 2011 screens appear to be the same between the "P" and "W" series. I appreciate your insight on the "w" series in Canada.

2) If you are saying that the availability of the 15.6" HD+ WVA of the new "P" series and the new "W" series is fabricated, I stand by my statement that Tech Data's shows 137 available with the 15.6" HD+ WVA from their distribution point on the East Coast. Are you saying that the 15.6" HD+ WVA screen will not be supported after initial sell-through and fails often? Are you saying the 15.6" HD+ WVA is an inferior screen compared to the competition?

3) You appear to be a Canadian buyer and will have a different experience in supply chain from the USA. Flaming HP in a general way helps no one. Providing a link to your thread would have been more "polite" to allow us to read your facts.

Duffin, Apr 27, 2011

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wii said: ↑

Yeah, I'm sorry this happened to you, but it's not fair to post this everywhere HP is mentioned, you already have a topic dedicated to this.

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Point taken. I admit, I do have a personal agenda here.

But that does not mean my information is is not relevant for all those reading these threads and considering the purchase of an 8X40p/w or 8X60p/w in the near future, if not longer out. When I was first "assigned" an 8540w by HP in Feb, I went straight for this section and both the 8540 and 8740 threads were replete with warnings and "horror" stories posted by others about bad hardware, bad service, etc. - and they were all cross-posted between the 87XX and 85XX threads, btw. They were invaluable, and I PMd several of the posters and got even more needed information and advice.

Last point: I have received numerous PMs from people as a result of my post, sharing their experiences and giving me tips. I don't know how else to reach the entire audience of NBR HP Business class owners; my one titled thread just hasn't drawn many responses.

I hope you all can understand. I think we've all been here. We're here to help each other, are we not? If you want a DC screen and none are available despite what it says on the CTO form, you need to know this snow, not after waiting 2-4 weeks, only to be told there is a "global parts shortage" and no one knows when it will end?

Again, I'm sorry I expressed this initially as nothing but a personal gripe. I hope you can see it is a valid and important post or the benefit of the community. Thanks, Jeff

lovelaptops, Apr 27, 2011

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I have no doubt that the 8560p has a much better screen, but I still don't understand why I can't order the Full HD screen for the 8560p when it says so in the specs ?

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Your own valid question pertaining to the subject I have direct experience with: HP shows it in the specs, sometimes even allows you to order it CTO, but doesn't/can't deliver. Wasn't that the reason for your post here?

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maybe they are saving it for the W series only? or they have sourcing problems. I was seriously looking at a envy 14 but found out HP couldnt source the higher res radience display and it wasnt even a option anymore.

I read the regular full HD screen the brightness/contrast wasn't as high as the HD+ screen. That is unless you get the HP dream color display but that adds around 400-500 to the price and is only available on the workstation models.

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Of course, you are spot-on in all three cases: the Envy 14 Radiance was a "fiction," but many of us were lured into ordering it, then suffering consequences ranging from order cancellations to my situation. You are also right that HP reserves the decent screens for the -w line, but even there, the options - and they are very expensive - are on the CTO order form but HP cannot supply them and will delay for, at last count, 14 weeks.

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It seems intuitive that the 14" HD screen (1366 x 768) is worse than the 14.0" HD+ screen (1600x900).

But are you guys saying that the 15.6" HD+ WVA screen is way better than the 14.0" HD+ screen (both being 1600x900)?

Yesterday, I compared a 8540w (1600x900) screen to my 5 year old laptop screen (Dell D820 15.4" WUXGA 1920x1200). The Dell was way better. The text under desktop icons was blurry on the 8540w and now I am reeling that the Elitebooks aren't shipping with good screens.

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I am far from the only person focused on this topic! I have suffered the most abuse over it, but believe me, all of you have the same fate awaiting you if you try to get a decent screen for your $2,000 + workstation from HP.

You cannot purchase an 8560p with a Dreamcolor screen and I am referring only to CTO orders. [/quote]

I am afraid you are jumping into a discussion and making huge flaming points that are confusing.

I quoted all of the above to make it clear that my points are spot on with the issues that members of this forum are focused upon. I already apologized for the "flame" tone of my post, and you'll not see it again. But I have more experience and insight than anyone else about the issues of screens on the Elitebooks, and I should think propspective buyers would appreciate the insights.

No one in this thread is assuming the Dreamcolor screen is available for the any of the "P" series Elitebooks. We were discussing:
a. the difference between the 14" HD+ screen on the "P" and "W" series compared to the 15.6" HD+ WVA of the "P" series and the "W" series
b. how the 2010 and 2011 screens appear to be the same between the "P" and "W" series. I appreciate your insight on the "w" series in Canada.

No clue about Canada. I live in the U.S. Believe me, I have researched and received inside information about the screens available for the rest of the 8X40 model run and the 8x60 products. This is a large "cf" and would-be HP business class buyers should know that the only decent screens "available" for any of the 8560s are, well, not really available anytime soon and, other than the DC, are really poor compared to the Dell Precision screens and, by the way, compared to the better non-DC2 screens for the 8540 line were.

2) If you are saying that the availability of the 15.6" HD+ WVA of the new "P" series and the new "W" series is fabricated, I stand by my statement that Tech Data's shows 137 available with the 15.6" HD+ WVA from their distribution point on the East Coast I'm saying the HP data is fabricated; I can't speak for Tech Data. Are you saying that the 15.6" HD+ WVA screen will not be supported after initial sell-through and fails often? I'm saying all of the screens in the 8540 series failed often and replacements of the better ones - especially the Dreamcolor - were extremely spotty and unreliable. I don't know how it will go with the 8560, but I am told that the 8560w will not have the DC available from HP for months after it is initially released. Fact, from HP product manager. Are you saying the 15.6" HD+ WVA is an inferior screen compared to the competition? Absolutely, IMO. But that is for the individual to judge for her/himself.

3) You appear to be a Canadian buyer and will have a different experience in supply chain from the USA. Love to visit BC and northern Quebec, but I am a Yankee through and through! Flaming HP in a general way helps no one. Agreed. I thought I was quite specific, and am being so here as well. Providing a link to your thread would have been more "polite" to allow us to read your facts.[/quote]

The facts relevant to this thread were not contained in my thread about the abusive treatment of customers by the Executive Case Management department in Ontario Canada who I have never had the displeasure of dealing with over the course of 28 purchases of HP products over the past 18 months. I also was trying to verify one particular piece of "information" they had claimed was true; none of this was relevant to this thread.

Again, I'm sorry for my one flame post and for appearing to be promoting a personal agenda rather than making valid contributions to the subject matter of the thread. I hope I have corrected that here. In any case, I have gathered more knowledge about HP's displays, their sources and availability and other key product information regarding the 8560w, in my efforts to convert my order from the discontinued 8540w to the 8560. Pm me and I will be glad to share. Jeff Bellin

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I appreciate the warnings, but correct me if I am wrong -- no one has physically compared a 2011 8560p HD+ WVA screen to a non-dreamcolor 2010 8540p or 8540w HD+ WVA screen yet.

So far we only have conjecture.

Duffin, Apr 27, 2011

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Duffin said: ↑

I appreciate the warnings, but correct me if I am wrong -- no one has physically compared a 2011 8560p HD+ WVA screen to a non-dreamcolor 2010 8540p or 8540w HD+ WVA screen yet.
So far we only have conjecture.

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Yes, yes, much conjecture and third-party descriptions and few facts or hands/eyes-on experience. Seems to me I've read some "hands-on" commentaries of some of the 8560p screens, but I can't cite a source off hand - you? I do know that the "rumours" have all pointed to more limited and lower quality screen options, particularly for the 8560. But yes, that could be wrong. I like the way Lenovo publishes specs, like screen type (IPS, TN, PVA, etc), brightness, contrast ratio, sometimes even color gamut. That way you can see the different options on their "tabooks" with all the different models and specs even before any have been released to "the street."

I don't know about you, but I vacillate between enjoying the "sport" of the speculation and having it drive me nuts! I have a Sony Z11 and there is a Sony thread, http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/556513-new-sony-vaio-z-speculation-news-thread.html . The scheduled release date for the new Z is around June and there is precious little real "news" being released or leaked and, after checking it daily for some time, I realized there couldn't be a bigger waste of my time than this activity! So I vowed to check it only once week from now on!

Of course, the 8560p is "real" now and the w is soon to follow, so soon the speculations will become reality.

lovelaptops, Apr 27, 2011

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Believe me, I have researched and received inside information about the screens available for the rest of the 8X40 model run and the 8x60 products. This is a large "cf" and would-be HP business class buyers should know that the only decent screens "available" for any of the 8560s are, well, not really available anytime soon and, other than the DC, are really poor compared to the Dell Precision screens and, by the way, compared to the better non-DC2 screens for the 8540 line were.
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I don't think it is fair to compare a HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series to the Dell Precision screens. A more fair comparison is to the Dell Latitude screens.

A fair comparison of the "W" Dreamcolor screen is the Dell Precision screens.

The discussion in this thread was originally a conjecture that the 2010 14" HD+ WVA of the "P" series and the "W" series was inferior to the 15" HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series thus will be the same for 2011.

Personally, I am looking for a matte screen that is on par with the MacBook Pro matte screen with the same mobility and performance as the MacBook Pro 15".

Duffin, Apr 27, 2011

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Duffin said: ↑

I don't think it is fair to compare a HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series to the Dell Precision screens. A more fair comparison is to the Dell Latitude screens.

A fair comparison of the "W" Dreamcolor screen is the Dell Precision screens.

The discussion in this thread was originally a conjecture that the 2010 14" HD+ WVA of the "P" series and the "W" series was inferior to the 15" HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series thus will be the same for 2011.

Personally, I am looking for a matte screen that is on par with the MacBook Pro matte screen with the same mobility and performance as the MacBook Pro 15".

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I'll check with our IT department if my ordered shipped. I personally have a 15inch macbook pro so I can include comparison shots with the macbook in my review. I can also take pics comparing the screens.

As far as mobility goes the 15inch Elitebook is a lot thicker and heavier than a macbook pro 15. If you want something along the same weight as a macbook 15 then you are looking at the 14 inch elitebook which was what I originally wanted but the screen on that one just seems inferior. Anyways I'm looking forward to my new laptop I currently have a Dell D830 so I can compare the Elitebook with that also.

Yoshimeow, Apr 27, 2011

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Duffin said: ↑

I don't think it is fair to compare a HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series to the Dell Precision screens. A more fair comparison is to the Dell Latitude screens.

A fair comparison of the "W" Dreamcolor screen is the Dell Precision screens.

The discussion in this thread was originally a conjecture that the 2010 14" HD+ WVA of the "P" series and the "W" series was inferior to the 15" HD+ WVA screens of the "P" series and the "W" series thus will be the same for 2011.

Personally, I am looking for a matte screen that is on par with the MacBook Pro matte screen with the same mobility and performance as the MacBook Pro 15".

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Leaving my bias for Apple the company, not their products, aside, as well as my preference for Windows over OSX (and experience of Windows in Boot Camp as being quite inferior to OSX with the same hardware)...I guess I wonder if the MBP 15 would not be a fine solution for you. I am a total display fanatic (or did that not show? ) and I am not at all comfortable that either the 8560 (p or w less DC2) will cut the mustard at all, nor, likely, will the Dell Latitudes, but there you'd need to ask someone who knows those Dells better. Other than the wonderful, but very high priced Precision w/RGBLED displays, if you are feeling a bit brave (and I would argue going with HP business class these days requires as much "bravery!") I might strongly suggest you look into the Dell XPS 15. I know it's a "consumer" line, but I have seen it in the flesh and pushed on it and twisted it and it is truly solid structurally. That's just the quick "is it remotely as well built as a "business class" computer? test,

But as to performance and features, the XPS 15 literally blows everything remotely near its price category out of the water and gasping for breath on the beach! Check it out if you can find a local store that has them on display, and if you haven't, by all means read the reviews, full of accolades. First, for us screen mavens, we're talking a 1080p (yeah, surrender the 16:10 now rather than postponing the inevitable!) what Dell calls "B+RGLED" and what notebookcheck.net and others call one of the notebook screens they've ever seen and tested. It is apparently just a small notch below the famous Dell RGBLED that used to be in the SXPS 16, but has long been a super pricey upgrade to the Precision series. Other than the display, the XPS 15 has a full range of SB cpus, decent nVidia gpus (don't know what your personal/professional needs are, but the 540 looks pretty decent to me, if not a gamer's "wet dream" There are ports galore, everything imaginable and same with wireless options. Oh, did I mention the universal pronouncement that it has the best on-board audio (meaning with it's own amp and speakers) of any laptop ever made - including Dell, HP and Asus 17-18.5" "Entertainment" powerhouses of the past. Battery life is apprently good, not great, depending on your use. If you can live w/o a quad core cpu and use switchable gfx, I think you can get 4-5 hrs on a 6 cell, 6-8 on a 9 cell.

My only problem recommending the XPS 15 is the company that makes it! I swore off Dell (as I am about to HP, probably) two years ago after numerous fiascos with order delays, customer and tech support problems and quality issues, especially with the Studio XPS 16. I have read that they have made good strides - especially in product quality and delivery - but you'd want to check the NBR threads for up to date cust/tech support feedback.

You can get a very well equipped XPS 15, with weekly coupons and sales, for under $1,000, and an outrageously well equipped one for around $1,300. We're talking roughly 50% off the MBP 15 with no sacrifices - only parity or better - with the exception of styling - many people think the XPS 15 is something of an ugly duckling.

EDIT: Big OOPS! I forgot, but the Dell B+RGLED screen on the XPS 15 is glossy, I'm almost positive. How do you feel about screen protectors? Seriously, I've used many of them on tablet PCs I've owned and while ones that "convert" from glossy to matte do also limit color saturation, contrast and viewing angles, the best of them (eg, Photodon) offer acceptable tradeoffs. If you are otherwise inclined to consider the XPS for it's great performance and features and very low price, I would not let this aspect - the glossy screen or the "fix" that might involve a screen protector - be a deal breaker. But my bad missing that one important factor.

I can't say I am immune to styling issues, but in this case it meets my own min requirements which, for example, Thinkpads do not - though I might consider one of those anyway for their quality and performance. But Lenovo has really fallen apart as to screen quality lately, other than the super high end workstations and the X220, which I assume is smaller and lower res than you want.

So, with all the flux in HP's professional line (this is NOT coming from my personal anger), I would be considering the high end latitudes or low end Precisions, the MBP 15 and, if you want to have the best performing of the lot at by far the lowest cost, the Dell XPS 15.

That's my 25 cents, fwiw.

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Thanks for the lengthy and valuable write up.

You make a great argument above and I looked at the XPS and think it is a worthy competitor to the MBP.

My trade off is dock-station ready vs display quality vs weight.

On paper, the 8460p seems perfect, in person the MBP seems perfect (except for no dock and poor bootcamp performance).

My compromise was to consider the 8560p with the HD+ screen, thus the conjecture that it will be same quality as 8460p HD+ screen and perhaps something I could live with to get dock, decent screen, and avg weight.

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Duffin said: ↑

Thanks for the lengthy and valuable write up.

You make a great argument above and I looked at the XPS and think it is a worthy competitor to the MBP.

My trade off is dock-station ready vs display quality vs weight.

On paper, the 8460p seems perfect, in person the MBP seems perfect (except for no dock and poor bootcamp performance).

My compromise was to consider the 8560p with the HD+ screen, thus the conjecture that it will be same quality as 8460p HD+ screen and perhaps something I could live with to get dock, decent screen, and avg weight.

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I'm in the same boat as you are in. The perfect laptop for me was the 8460p on paper but the poor screen did that one in for me. I am hoping the 8560p will be good enough. It's suppose to be delivered tomorrow so I cant wait!

My experience with bootcamp windows 7 on my macbook has been awesome. I read there is no power management but I havent noticed anythign too drastic. Windows 7 runs on my macbook better than my crappy dell d830 and my dell desktop.

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I'm in the same boat as you are in. The perfect laptop for me was the 8460p on paper but the poor screen did that one in for me. I am hoping the 8560p will be good enough. It's suppose to be delivered tomorrow so I cant wait!

My experience with bootcamp windows 7 on my macbook has been awesome. I read there is no power management but I havent noticed anythign too drastic. Windows 7 runs on my macbook better than my crappy dell d830 and my dell desktop.

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Then why get the HP over the MBP?

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Then why get the HP over the MBP?

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This is my work laptop and I can only choose between a lenovo, Dell or HP

If I had the choice I'd get a mbp15

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Duffin said: ↑

Thanks for the lengthy and valuable write up.

(glad you liked it. in case you haven't noticed, "lengthy" is the only writing style I have, )

You make a great argument above and I looked at the XPS and think it is a worthy competitor to the MBP.

My trade off is dock-station ready vs display quality vs weight.

On paper, the 8460p seems perfect, in person the MBP seems perfect (except for no dock and poor bootcamp performance).

My compromise was to consider the 8560p with the HD+ screen, thus the conjecture that it will be same quality as 8460p HD+ screen and perhaps something I could live with to get dock, decent screen, and avg weight.

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I agree there are many criteria to weigh against each other and no one model has it all - especially not for a decent price. But I'm curious, with so many ports on the XPS, what would your main needs be for a dock? Btw, I truly would be suspicious of build quality and driver support of any new HP model for 3-6 months after release. But as long as you have 30 days to demo it, little to lose except your time.

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I'm in the same boat as you are in. The perfect laptop for me was the 8460p on paper but the poor screen did that one in for me. I am hoping the 8560p will be good enough. It's suppose to be delivered tomorrow so I cant wait!

My experience with bootcamp windows 7 on my macbook has been awesome. I read there is no power management but I havent noticed anythign too drastic. Windows 7 runs on my macbook better than my crappy dell d830 and my dell desktop.

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I hear you re: the old Dells, but not sure that's a valid comparison. Best to compare same vintage and configuration MBP vs. Windows machine, BC and OSX vs W7, IMO.

My main problems with bootcamp are:

1) 25% - 50% performance hit (synthetic benchmarks) vs. same MBP in OSX or same components in a Windows machine

2) same reduction in battery life (closer to the high side) running BC vs. OSX. Used to be, MBP in BC got same battery life as equiv windows mahcine (4 hrs or so), but now more and more powerful Windows machines are getting 6,7,8 hrs.

3) Trackpad works far worse under BC. Again, not much worse than the average Windows trackpad (though these too are getting much closer to parity w/MBP), but way worse than running OSX.

So, it's not that the MBP isn't a great machine running OSX and a good one running Windows in BC, but the "Apple tax" is so much higher when you compare the BT performance vs. best in breed Windows/SB today. That said, I haven't seen the performance hit for BC vs OSX on the SB MBPs.

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But I'm curious, with so many ports on the XPS, what would your main needs be for a dock?

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Enough ports are used to want the convenience - power, Ethernet, DVI (or display port), USB (2x)

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I'll check with our IT department if my ordered shipped.

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What's your ETA?

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What's your ETA?

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It just arrived!!! I need to swap out the HDD to the SSD i ordered and reinstall windows and all the drives though. I'll try to post up some pics/ a quick review over the weekend. I would have done a more in depth review but it doesnt look like this notebook is very popular.

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It just arrived!!! I need to swap out the HDD to the SSD i ordered and reinstall windows and all the drives though. I'll try to post up some pics/ a quick review over the weekend. I would have done a more in depth review but it doesnt look like this notebook is very popular.

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Cool!

Can you at least comment on the screen quality today with some comparisons?

Screen quality question is the only thing holding me back from ordering one today.

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It just arrived!!! I need to swap out the HDD to the SSD i ordered and reinstall windows and all the drives though. I'll try to post up some pics/ a quick review over the weekend. I would have done a more in depth review but it doesnt look like this notebook is very popular.

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Is the SSD you ordered a SATA III? Perhaps you can finally answer the question that has haunted the forum: Do the internal SATA ports support full SATA III (6.0Gb/s) native?

(unless I missed the answer on another thread... my bad if I did... )

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It just arrived!!! I need to swap out the HDD to the SSD i ordered and reinstall windows and all the drives though. I'll try to post up some pics/ a quick review over the weekend. I would have done a more in depth review but it doesnt look like this notebook is very popular.

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You are killing me having it just sit there... Make it popular!

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update -
I had such a busy day yesterday that the huge box just sat in the corner of my office. After my last meeting I was finally able to open the box and to my disappointment it only contained the docking station, laptop case, memory, and monitor. ? Where is my laptop? So I checked my order status and it looks like our vendor sent the laptop a day late in a separate box and it should arrive today. What a bummer. Well I'll keep everyone posted.

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I have an 8560p for a about 2 weeks now. I must say the machine is fast and runs very cool compared to my past 8530p. At first the screen pissed me off, and thought the quality was very poor. But once I figure out what it was It looks pretty darn good and bright.

The problem was I had the brightness cranked to full on battery and the quality was poor and blurry. I finally got around to plugging in the laptop and the screen cleared up and looked sharp. ATI has some kind of power save feature in the advanced power options that when it's on batter it uses and it blurs the screen pretty bad. I disabled this and haven't had an issue yet.

I do miss my 1680x1050 resolution that matches my LCD on my desk. Kind of went backwards a tad, but it's pretty close and hardly noticeable.

I CANNOT stand the keyboard. If I had one complaint, it's the keyboard positioning. The build of the keyboard with separate keys etc is nice, but I do not like the keypad and the positioning of the 'delete' key and the enter key. I am one that types without looking at my keyboard and the right edge of my keyboard used to be my guide to finding my alt+ctrl+del, and my enter key, but now I have to kind of guess where they are because of the location now being close to center. Also having your hands on the left half of the keyboard is annoying, and the HUGE touchpad clicks all the tiem while tying. I have turned my tap clicking off. Gestures work pretty poorly, and hopefully a driver update or what not will improve this in the future.

Other than that, wireless connects nicely. and the machine is fast (I have a new 320 intel 160GB drive in with it). I do notice a very small CPU feedback sound coming from the machine under load when on battery. I listened to a pair of 8460p's we have here and they do it too, so must be something with their chipsets or sandy bridge causing it.

Other than that, great machine, the build quality is much better and it seems lighter. There is one door to access all your upgrades. I like it alot but it took me a few minutes to figure out how to remove it .

Battery Life is alot better than 8530p, but not as long as I expected. Maybe 2-4 hours on some heavy usage. Haven't timed it, but it's been plenty for what I've needed.

Charging port on the USB is nice. Haven't tested out HDMI with sound yet.

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Thanks for contributing to the thread!

Turismon said: ↑

I have an 8560p for a about 2 weeks now. I must say the machine is fast and runs very cool compared to my past 8530p. At first the screen pissed me off, and thought the quality was very poor. But once I figure out what it was It looks pretty darn good and bright.

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What screen do you have?

Turismon said: ↑

I listened to a pair of 8460p's we have here and they do it too, so must be something with their chipsets or sandy bridge causing it.

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Can you compare your screen to the 8460p at your office? Inquiring eyes want to know.

I wonder if Yoshimeow, who sent his 8460p back, had the same ATI issue that affected the screen.

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Possible on the ATI thing, but it was only set to "Save Power" on battery, which caused the bleed effect. I just went over to the 8460p and didn't notice the bleed, but it has an Intel integrated, and the screen looks way poor compared to my 8560p. Could be the resolution, but it's no where close.

I have the 1600x900 screen.

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P.S. the 8460p has the 1300x resolution not 1600. But I can tell a difference. I'm not one to notice the color depth of the current screen or contrst, but it does seem to be a little soft on the color change. I might run a color optimizer on it and see if it helps. But I can tell a difference from my Outlook Icon on my ext. LCD vs the laptop. The laptop is bright and clear, but the color's aren't mind blowing or anything.

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Thanks for your info. Mine just arrived at receiving but our procurement person isnt here now to book it in and receive it. ARGHH! hehe

Yeah the problem with the 8460p screen is the poor contrast/viewing angle which isnt suppose to plague the 8560.

I have a dell d830 now at 1920 x 1200 on a 15inch screen so I'll definitely be losing some screen space but I dont mind since everything is so darn small.

I'd prefer 1680 x 1050 but oh well everything is 16:9 aspect now. Also thanks for the ATI tip. I'm definitely going to be turning that off as soon as I power it on.

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Sweet, ran the Windows 7 > Personalization > Dispay > Calibrate Color thing and turned the Gamma down, it looks ALOT better now. Colors aren't too bright and looks pretty close to my LCD Now.

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P.S. the 8460p has the 1300x resolution not 1600. But I can tell a difference. I'm not one to notice the color depth of the current screen or contrst, but it does seem to be a little soft on the color change. I might run a color optimizer on it and see if it helps. But I can tell a difference from my Outlook Icon on my ext. LCD vs the laptop. The laptop is bright and clear, but the color's aren't mind blowing or anything.

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there were some rumors that the 1300 screen has better contrast/brightness than the 1600 x 900 screen. Not sure if this is true or not.
How are the viewing angles on the 8460p? laptop mag says the 1300 one is pretty horrible and stormslayer who had the 1600 one said it was horrible too.

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Turismon said: ↑

Sweet, ran the Windows 7 > Personalization > Dispay > Calibrate Color thing and turned the Gamma down, it looks ALOT better now. Colors aren't too bright and looks pretty close to my LCD Now.

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That is for your laptop the 8560? Or is that the 8460??

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Turismon - Thanks so much for the first hand info! Can you elaborate a little more on your specs? I am debating between weight of 6 vs 9 cell battery.

Here is what I plan to order Monday.

Configurable - HP EliteBook 8560p Notebook PC (ENERGY STAR) WX788AV
i7-2720QM Processor
HD+ anti-glare (1600 x 900) with Webcam
AMD Radeon™ HD 6470M (1 GB gDDR3)
4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 SDRAM (1D)
250 GB 7200 rpm 2.5-inch hard drive
DVD±RW SuperMulti DL LightScribe Drive
Bluetooth® 2.1 Wireless Technology
Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
HP 9-Cell 100 Wh Li-Ion Battery
3/3/0 Warranty
9x5 Next-Business-Day On-Site Coverage, 3 Years

I'll add a SSD later.

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Just got the elitebook in my hands.. build quality is nice but of course there is still some plastic so its still no where near the macbook for feel.. It's also quite thick but the design masks the thickness with the bottom half being black.. It's going through windows setup right now and the most important thing for a lot of people here is the screen quality..
I'm happy to say the screen quality is definitely acceptable and very nice. Color and contrast is good and so is clarity. You won't be disapointed in the screen like you would with the 8460.

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Yoshimeow said: ↑

Just got the elitebook in my hands.. build quality is nice but of course there is still some plastic so its still no where near the macbook for feel.. It's also quite thick but the design masks the thickness with the bottom half being black.. It's going through windows setup right now and the most important thing for a lot of people here is the screen quality..
I'm happy to say the screen quality is definitely acceptable and very nice. Color and contrast is good and so is clarity. You won't be disapointed in the screen like you would with the 8460.

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Wonderful news. Look forward to your full review from the couch.

I'll be holding my breath about fan noise, heat, and the subjective comparison to the MBP.

Cheers!

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yeah I have been messing with it the past hour. Just upgraded another 4GB of Ram to bring it to a total of 8GB/ram. Also just installed the samsung SSD and had to upgrade the firmware for the SSD. That was bit of pain since I had to create a bootable flash drive into MSDOS! and run it from MS DOS PROMPT.

Now I am installing a fresh copy of windows 7 on the new SSD. HOORAY. I'll have to put it next to the MBP but I would say the screen is 70-80% of the MBP screen. It doesnt have the BAM WOW factor of the MBP but its just as good as the majority of the notebooks out there and a whole lot better than the T410. Fan noise hasnt been an issue yet but I havent done much on it. My dell has horrible fan noise and its running at full blast now. cant wait to get this baby completely set up.

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yeah I have been messing with it the past hour. Just upgraded another 4GB of Ram to bring it to a total of 8GB/ram. Also just installed the samsung SSD and had to upgrade the firmware for the SSD. That was bit of pain since I had to create a bootable flash drive into MSDOS! and run it from MS DOS PROMPT.

Now I am installing a fresh copy of windows 7 on the new SSD. HOORAY. I'll have to put it next to the MBP but I would say the screen is 70-80% of the MBP screen. It doesnt have the BAM WOW factor of the MBP but its just as good as the majority of the notebooks out there and a whole lot better than the T410. Fan noise hasnt been an issue yet but I havent done much on it. My dell has horrible fan noise and its running at full blast now. cant wait to get this baby completely set up.

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Don't forget to tell us your build specs and how the keyboard feels.

What are you running to need 8GB of RAM?

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Hey Guys. Really exciting to hear about the "real thing," not just speculations.

I just wanted to say, one more time, that I am really sorry for hijacking this thread to vent my anger and frustration with HP over how they have been treating me. I admit I was looking to warn those looking to buy product to be aware the best screens are on indefinite back order and didn't mind if I caused people to reconsider the competitive offerings of others. Wrong thing to do on an owners' lounge; again, really sorry. I will keep you posted if I ever get my actual product; otherwise, look forward to just reading your informative posts.

Btw, does anyone think we need threads devoted to bad experience with HP - and other vendors - not to , but to share experiences and, hopefully, successful strategies if anyone finds any?

Enjoy!

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Hey Guys. Really exciting to hear about the "real thing," not just speculations.

I just wanted to say, one more time, that I am really sorry for hijacking this thread to vent my anger and frustration with HP over how they have been treating me. I admit I was looking to warn those looking to buy product to be aware the best screens are on indefinite back order and didn't mind if I caused people to reconsider the competitive offerings of others. Wrong thing to do on an owners' lounge; again, really sorry. I will keep you posted if I ever get my actual product; otherwise, look forward to just reading your informative posts.

Btw, does anyone think we need threads devoted to bad experience with HP - and other vendors - not to , but to share experiences and, hopefully, successful strategies if anyone finds any?

Enjoy!

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hey lovelylaptops, dont worry about it. I did read your other thread and you have every right to be upset at HP and what has happened to your order. It would have drove me insane if I was in your situation. Also thank you for trying to post and warn others cause it looks like you are not completely alone. I was lucky that my entire order arrive in a week
Well I do wish you the best of luck.

Back on topic. I finally got all the drivers downloaded and installed. One thing Dell does better than HP is telling you exactly which drivers you need. The display which was a huge concern by myself and others is definitely not a issue on the 8560p. Its very bright and actually one of the better standard laptop displays I have seen. Anyways now that I have got everything setup I'll do a quick review for everyone. I should have it up by Sunday.

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