E14 : Trackpad Discussion Only

Click anywhere isn't working for you?

If it isn't, then I have no idea what is allowing it here. I just reinstalled Windows through HP's restore disks, because Windows was crashing on sleep, and no amount of repairing or restoring would fix it. Installed the newest Synaptics drivers and Reil's, and all of a sudden I can depress the touchpad anywhere and it would register a click.

 

hmm, sounds interesting, i would love to be able to depress anywhere, is there a new reil's, even with the new reils would that enable the depress feature?

 

It's not a setting in Reil's. I'm pretty sure it's the new Synaptic drivers.

Edit:

YES, IT IS:



download the newest drivers off of Drivers | Synaptics

 

Bizarre - I downloaded and installed the new drivers and I don't have those options. I only have left click and right click options.

 

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Off of Synaptics.com?

Edit: 64 bit version i'm using is smaller than the download on Synaptics.com. I think they changed it. Uploading now so that you guys can test it out

 

Yes - 64 bit version off of Synaptics.com

 

Use Revo Uninstaller to uninstall the latest drivers IF the drivers I give you won't install because it's not the latest version.

Link: http://www.filedropper.com/synapticsv1527cxp64vista64win7-64

No viruses, but feel free to scan if you want...

 

Uninstalling old drivers first and reinstalling got me new settings. Now the light is constantly on though.

 

Light isn't on for me, but I can't disable the trackpad. Sigh...

 

Disabling trackpad works for me, so perhaps with the current version on the Synaptics site they gave with one hand (disable touchpad feature) while taking away with the other (click anywhere)

 

Disabling trackpad has always worked for me...

IMHO the click anywhere feature > disable trackpad feature.

I think Synaptics made a mistake in this version of the driver that allowed it to click anywhere. I'm not sure why they would add this feature, only to take it off 2 days later

 

Ah - maybe I misunderstood your previous post in which you said

So in the version you uploaded, click anywhere and disabling both work? If so, what is it that doesn't work?

 

The difference is HP versus Synaptics. People who cant get the click anywhere are not getting it because HP's previous drivers didnt allow it. If you uninstall the HP synaptic drivers first, then you can get the click anywhere settings but lose HP's disable trackpad settings.

Synaptics released these drivers, Im guessing, mostly to coincide with the new capacitive clickpads theyre releasing. This puts them on par with Apple besides still having bad line level scrolling versus pixel level.

 

Can you guys actually click anywhere on the trackpad? I can only get it to click on the lower 2/3rds

 

Because of the hinge design of the trackpad, it's not easy to click on the upper part of the trackpad. Use more force and you'll be able to click.

This is the trackpad:

_____________________
^...............................B

the ^ is the hinge, and the B is the button. It'll be harder to click near the hinge than at the bottom, where the hinge is, because you'll have more leverage at the bottom.

 

That's no fun

I would like it a lot better if it was easy to click everywhere

Edit: Is there no more regular right click if you have 2 finger right click?

 

Ok, so I started this thread way back in the day when I first got my Envy 14 and it seems that I check this thread almost weekly for a fix to this junky trackpad, but no luck. It sucks no matter what I do to it. Yes, it can get better or worse depending on what software/drivers you have installed, but generally, this is the absolute worst trackpad I have ever used. What's strange is that I REALLY like the laptop other than the trackpad. However, the trackpad is bad enough that I'm considering buying a new laptop just to get rid of the trackpad. I do most of my work on the road and exclusively use the trackpad. I also work from a later model MacBook Pro and that trackpad is unbelievably good compared to this one. I would be happy with just somewhere in the middle.

My question to you guys is this: obviously these issues are hardware related due to no software truely fixing the problems. Do you think it would be at all possible to replace this trackpad with one from a newer model HP? I have tried a few different HP trackpads at local electronics stores and none of them seem to exhibit the same issues.

Most of my problems are related to clicking and dragging. I do a lot of graphics work, so I really need to be able to click on an object and drag it around the screen. Click-lock works for some actions, but not for all.

Thoughts?


thanks,
-brit

 

There's a specific version of Synaptics' latest driver that allows clicking anywhere, Macbook-style. It's on the first page of the HP Envy & HDX forums, title is "HP envy 14 click in touchpad".

I guess transplanting a touchpad in might be possible, but it depends on how the trackpad is mounted, how the button will be depressed, and where the connector is (assuming it uses the same connector).

 

Hmmm...I must be missing something. What really is all the fuss about? I dealt with some of the earlier versions of this pad and found them complete deal breakers. But with the latest Synaptics drivers and settings as some kind samaritan earlier posted on this thread, life is pretty good. I am NOT particularly tolerant of misbehaving touchpads. But let me scroll (one finger is fine), tap, right and left click (using the "buttons" by pressing the areas marked as such), and have decent palm rejection and I can live without the rest. I am getting all of this, dependably, with the current Synaptics drivers and settings as (??) posted earlier in the thread.

I never really got Riel's to work for me - don't ask me why, they just didn't!

Am I just too tolerant (no one has ever said I was!!), or have people become fanatical since this does not work as the "clickpad" it pretends to be, cannot hold a candle to Apple's (but who's can, and does that make this computer useless and require us all to spend an extra $1,500 and get an MBP 15, just because it has an exceptional clickpad - exceptionally functioning only in OSX, or so I have heard?

Try not to make me miserable when I am content, but please do enlighten me of what I am missing out of if I can use this touchpad as I described.

 

well.

basically the new drivers make it so you can click down anywhere and it'll react.

Like how the macbook clickpad is like or something.

It also somehow stops you from scrolling/moving the cursor/registering taps/click while tapping out of the box.

You have to go into the tapping settings and disable a few things (for the top right corner's tap zone if you tap there it'll open up a movie).

Also the triple tap on the top left to turn the touchpad on and off no longer works.

 

My problems are mostly around the sporadic behavior of the cursor and scrolling. I ordered my Envy as soon as they were available on the site and I believe I probably have the earliest version of the hardware.

I can get by with the trackpad, but I spend all day, every day on the laptop and these little imperfections seem huge to me at this point. Example - in Photoshop, to move an object with the hand tool, you have to hold the space bar, click and hold the trackpad, and move the object around with another finger. After your trackpad-size game of Twister begins, you quickly notice that the trackpad is fighting you. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but when it doesn't it's a show stopper. I mentally refuse to move the cursor all the way to the sides of the window and move the scroll bar. That's just one example, but obviously a very self-focused example. I doubt many others are that deep into Photoshop every day.


-b

 

I just click with left finger and hold down, drag with right finger and release.

 

Same here, but what I'm saying is that it only works about half of the time for me. The other half, the hand cursor just becomes stationary while I'm trying to move it. Even my old crappy laptops handle this flawlessly.

 

I just downloaded the driver eafd posted in another thread and paired with reils i swear my trackpad is as good as a mac's and the difference is absolutely night and day. Its amazing.

 

That sounds promising. Would you mind posting your settings?

 

check out the "HP Envy 14 click in touchpad?" thread on pages 3-5 are screen shots of eafd's settings that i basically copied as well as the driver to download. You have to changesettings in synaptics and reil's also be sure to download the driver in that thread because it is different.

 

Downloading now. Thanks.

 

Lets us know how it goes!

 

Wow, I think it worked. I'm always happy for a few minutes after doing the driver rodeo. I've somehow convinced myself that it's going to work every time, so I'm going to hold off for a day or so before announcing the war is over, but at this point, I'm very happy with the results.

The key for me was uninstalling the previous driver first (restart). Then, installing the suggested driver through Windows Update (restart). Next, installing the driver linked by eafd (restart):

Synaptics_v15_2_7_C_XP64_Vista64_Win7-64.exe

Then, going in and applying the settings for Reil's app:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...lick-touchpad-like-macbook-5.html#post7276682

All seems well so far.

Thanks for the info.


-brit

 

I also found it helpful to disable "Two-Finger Scrolling" in the ClickPad settings and let Reil's app handle that. It seems to be much smoother that way.

 

Still, the thing that I feel is missing is the ability to keep my thumb on the trackpad and move my index finger around on the trackpad. The MacBook Pro handles that flawlessly and it feels much better to me than having to only have one finger on the trackpad at a time (unless dragging). I have tried various combinations of disabling two-finger scrolling, hoping that it's registering two fingers as a scroll attempt, but nothing seems to fix this issue.

 

I believe that's just a limitation of the trackpad itself (not just the drivers).

Also the other issue is Reil's just does two finger scroll no matter what. It doesn't register built in deadzones/the touchpad stopping scrolling while you're typing (like these new drivers do)

 

I have no doubt that I am brain dead about all of this, but:

1) What is so unbearable about having the trackpad work as I have it working - basically like a "normal" trackpad, except that I do have pinch/zoom disabled because folks say it messes things up.? I mean, it doesn't work "like a Mac," but I am not sure I see the practical benefits of that. (Tell me it's not just "mac-envy, lol). I can lock-drag and do most anything I could do on any trackpad cirica 2010 (except a Mac) and I don't find I'm missing something in life not being able to click anywhere on the pad, but only down in the region where the right and left click, er, markings are, just as if they were buttons. And I only find about 1/10 times that I position the cursor, left click and fail to get it to lock "on target," then it's an easy re-do and it's all good.

2) "brain dead" being the likely answer, Why do I find it all but impossible to follow the directions people have posted piecemeal to get this thing to work like "magic?" Any chance anyone feels like creating a "fix Envy Clckpad for Dummies" guide?? (maybe the clueless are doomed to remain that way, lol)

 

Eh. It's just a bit of mac-envy and/or "oh hey wow it's actually acting like a proper clickpad instead of a trackpad with buttons built in at the bottom"


If you like it your way that's fine by me.


As for making it play nice. Well the easiest way is to just download Reil's stuff, set it up some (set up the two finger scrolling) enable or disable the double and triple tap stuff and the gestures and go from there. Disable all the multi gesture stuff in synaptic's settings and go from there.

someone had posted good settings for Reil's two finger scrolling but I can't find that anywhere (EAFD posted it I think)

 

Hmm...

I could write up a guide to getting your trackpad as good as the drivers + Reil's can get...

 

well. you could but keep in mind not everyone wants to have click anywhere (or at least a couple people don't).


As for my clickpad.

At the moment it's on the older drivers but with click anywhere (just not double or triple click anywhere) so..whatever. Good enough.

edit: though, it seems like the two finger scroll isn't as good now as it was on the drivers with the broken tap to disable...gonna test this stuff out in a moment

 

And heeelllooo double and triple click anywhere + multip tap shutting off the touchpad.


the only issue I can see is that you can't set double and triple click anywhere to be a right click. That just won't work. 'course corner click for right click DOES work if you set it to secondary click so whatever.


The path I took to get this far:

Step 1: Uninstall touchpad drivers. Only had to do this once. Wasn't a big issue. no need for revo or a driver sweeper or whatever like amd graphics drivers.

Step 2: Install stock touchpad drivers (from swsetup, SP49152 Version 15.0.17.4). You may be able to skip this step.

Step 3: Install latest the drivers from that mediafire link. Setup click anywhere and corner click: context click for the ability to right click still. I'm unsure of double/triple click anywhere for a secondary click(right click) worked now or not. I know that double/triple click for middle click works fine.

Step 4: Let windows update put the september drivers back ontop over the ones from that mediafire link. Now double and triple click are dead. tap to disable will work again if you remember to enable it, so let's do that. Go to the touchpad settings, search for tapping, find tap to disable, enable it, set it up correctly 'cause once we go to step 5 you won't be able to touch these settings again).

Step 5: Reinstall the mediafire link driver sover your september drivers. So long as you set tap to disable up correctly it will still work now. Never change tap zones or it will break.

Everything should work now. Unsure as to why double/triple click anywhere won't let you right (secondary in the touchpad menu) click but whatever.

 

*very quickly discovers that he prefers tapping over clicking on this touchpad*

well. I do like the two finger middle click anywhere, but I seem to prefer tapping for just clicking stuff since the touchpad is pretty stiff.

whatever, I'll play around with it.

also, the two finger click sometimes end up doing a left click AND a middle click. that's a little bit annoying.

edit the edit: Yeah, it's not that reactive, maybe palmcheck is interfering....*lowers it a bit*

seems to work a tad bit better (I can do it quickly now instead of having to hold it down)

time to mess with it some more. Also got two finger right click working.

 

I agree with you on the tapping instead of clicking it takes a bit of time to get used to. I'm also liking two finger tap as right click after getting used to it.

Also, a big thanks to you and EAFD for all of your inputs on this and other threads. This forum is really lucky to have you guys. I have to spread some rep around before it'll let me rep you guys again but just know your input is appreciated.

 

yw.

anyway I think I like two finger click for middle click and corner for right click (little annoyed the corner area doesn't extend for the entire right button but I'll get used to it)

I don't ever see myself using two finger right click but two finger middle click is great for opening a new tab (it's either that or ctrl+left click/left tap. Man still have to get used to not accidentally jumping the cursor up to the wrong place.

 

Loving reils drivers! Made two finger scrolling an option again... Why cant they ship the Envy with drivers like this?!

Anyway, I have quite an annying problem that I've had for a while. The orange/red light is always on on my touchpad and I cant disable it, anyone know how to fix it?

 

Are you on the media fire drivers? Install the windows update drivers ontop of them and then go mess with the "tap to disable" stuff in the touchpad settings (turn it on)

You can also take that moment to turn on "disable touchpad if the mouse is plugged in" Then reinstall the mediafire drivers to regain full control over click anywhere.

 

otherwise. The easiest way to just fix the light is to uninstall the touchpad stuff and start over from the beginning.

ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp50501-51000/sp50661.exe

will update you to the latest official stuff. the mediafire ones break some things and if you start at this one you can't get click anywhere to work (you have to start with the original set which I don't have a link to right now, then install the ones from the mediafire link, then install the windows update stuff and setup stuff, then reinstall the mediafire link. It's an annoyingly round about way to get everything working for the most part with click anywhere)

 

Wow thanks for really fast replies magus. I fixed the light think with just downloading drivers from windows update.

I'm not sure if I have the mediafire drivers, do you mean reils drivers? I have synapticdrivers from their website and installed windows update drivers on top of those.

What does the "click anywhere" feature do? Is it worth all the hassle to get?

 

eh. All it does is change how the clicking works.


You know how you have a left click and right click button?

Well what it does is it takes those away but lets you click down anywhere on the clickpad and count that as a left click.

You can setup a two finger click for middle and three finger for right, or two right, three middle, or whatever.

also you can set up a corner click for a pseudo right click again ('course it doesn't go as far over as the right click button lines indicate).


You lose the ability to turn tap to disable on or off AND you lose the ability to turn "disable if a mouse is plugged in" on and off.


but some people prefer click anywhere. If you don't care at all, just leave it alone. The process is a little bit of a pain and synaptics will eventually release these drivers for real (instead of a half a day accident someone noticed..and then saved them from being erased off the internet)

 

Ah I see, well thats cool but if they are going to release it for real I can just wait.

Thanks for the help!

 

They might release it for real.

I mean it's just a guesstimate since in the drivers it say "test" or something so *shrugs*

it works pretty well though the double/triple click anywhere is a bit finicky. You have to do it and let go lightning fast or else it'll not register/register a single click.

 

Thanks Magus, all. I know I am brain dead on this, because I can do far more complex things - even insert code in the command prompt for some things - but I cannot get Riel's drivers to install and run, much less do the Synaptics overlays and follow all the directions.

Oh, and, btw, since my earlier post, I can no longer say I'm doing fine with the settings I was using. Suddenly, there is, like zero palm rejection! Unless I turn off the pad or typed perfect form and not rest my palms, that thing just flies all over the place while I'm typing, and sometimes it actually clicks on a link and moves my active window!

Maybe this already exists and I can't find it, but it would be worthy of 10 rep points at least if someone could post a start-to-finish fool proof way to get the best possible performance out of this pad. I know that's the sum and substance of several of the recent posts here, but they do presuppose you have Riel's drivers working, and each seems a bit piecemeal to me. If I'm the only one this challenged, well, forget it. Just show mercy on me, lol!

 

well Reil's requires some VCRedistribution stuff and/or some .net stuff to work.

as for the touchpad being annoying when you type there isn't much you can do about that.

it's just bad. I mean friendly fire's mod has something where it'll disable stuff while you're typing but it has a minor memory leak (well it slowly uses up more ram as you go along but I mean that maxes out at like what...10 to 12 MB, it starts out at 4 or so).


the main reason people use Reil's over friendly fires is due to the "oh hey this stuff has really good control over how the two finger scrolling is supposed to go" and it has a bunch of other stuff too.


no "shut down the touchpad while typing and only the touchpad not the other stuff" in reil's though (basically it's an improved touchpad locker/freeze thing