ENVY 15-jXXX / ENVY 17-jXXX Notebooks (2013)

Don't get me wrong, a laptops hinges being loose and its panel being wobbly is a big deal, but im not nessaraly someone who is "the lid HAS to be alloy". I mean people have been super happy with laptops for years and years before alloy lids and casing became the in thing.
I think overall it will all come down to pricing. I'll just have to wait and hope they pop up on BestBuy .com on Wednesday (or within the 15 days). Especially with the two Envy 15's (not mine) cause they are 100% happy with what they got. If they are the same price so its a equal exchange, then they each buy a $30 external dvd drive id say its worth it (assuming the screens aren't THAT loose/wobbly and hopefully don't get worse over time). But if they are like $50-100+ more...I don't think so.

As for the 17...I have no clue, I will have to wait and see prices-to-specs on BB's variations.

 

I found the hinges not of be that tight compared to most other laptops. Even directly comparing the 17 lid to those next to it. Although the lid is much bigger and can expect some kind of wobble unless you are buying high end and not just mid (or semi) range. Anything made of metal unless tend to be more ridged that just plastic.

The battery is 62 Wh, this is the standard 6 cell battery and will be in all these laptops world wide. Battery life depend on different factors. Ultimately the less spec the model you have, you would expect the battery life to be pretty good, when compared to a higher spec model under load. When it comes down to idle most should be relativity the same, still come down to other devices and your customised setup.

 

Thank you for the reply!

 

Appears there is going to be some type of SSD cache, according to this HP ENVY TouchSmart 15 Notebook 360

Check out the tabs along the top of this link for more info HP ENVY TouchSmart 15 Notebook 360

Oh yeah, once again, don't be fooled by IPS like (view any angle) screen in the 360 demo of the above link.

 

So I checked the US site, both 15 and 17 only have the 740m. I thought there was going to be a 750m gpu?????

http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/ho...7AV?HP-ENVY-15t-j000-Quad-Edition-Notebook-PC

Unless HP is pulling a Lenovo (They had their Y500 when It first released w/o options for a 1080p display) this is a bad day for everybody. Same thing with the Envy 17

http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/ho.../HP-ENVY/E4S78AV?HP-ENVY-17t-j000-Notebook-PC

 

I'm disappointed with the initial config options for the Envy 15. I was all set to replace my hot and heavy Envy 17 1000 series but the graphics card option is poor and the HD is only 5400RPM and not 7200RPM. It looks like I will be waiting to see what changes they make to the config options down the road...

 

I'm very disappointed as well. Only 740M graphics as an add-on, and only 5400RPM HD. There isn't even an SSD option. Anyone know if it possible/easy to replace the HD with your own SSD? I also really liked the volume dial that was on the Envy 15 and Envy Spectre 14 =(

 

Seems like you picked right. Good idea to avoid the 15z-j000 AMD one given you already have an equivalent setup. The AMD Radeon HD 8750M for +$70 USD here doesn't seem that compelling too.

I was hoping that at the $500 starting price for the Envy 15 AMD version (honestly, new dv6) with a GPU can be a "budget" gaming laptop option.. but at +$70 and another +$40 for for 1080p (not to mention +$80 for A10)... maybe not so much.

Don't get me more its much cheaper than before. But "slightly slower" than GT 640M isn't exactly fast too

It looks like the only coupons working on the Envy 15 on the US site is this 5% off one

maybe wait for bigger flat coupon later? hmm.

 

Yeah.. the hybrid drive and the mSSD cache isn't exactly a good alternative too if you just want pure SSD speed. You'd think they'd have a cheap +$20 7200rpm option (although I think a mSSD + 5400rpm will be much faster for bootup vs a 7200rpm drive).

 

I placed an order for a Lenovo Y410P, but am tempted to cancel it in favor of the Envy15t-j000. I just customized one on our EPP site and it came out to $20 more than the Lenovo. The differences I am seeing for my Envy build over the Lenovo are:

Envy's 15" 1080P screen vs. Lenovo's 14" 1366x768 screen

Envy's 9+ hour battery life vs. Lenovo's 5+ hours battery life (I realize these are both "advertised" and may not be real life experience, but the difference is still pretty big).

Envy's 740M GPU vs. Lenovo's 750M GPU (with optional SLI)

Envy's 4.81lbs vs. Lenovo's 5.5lbs

As for the HDD and RAM, I will upgrade regardless of what I get. I already have a 240GB SSD ready to install and 16GB of RAM.

Is there anything else that I am may be missing? i.e. HP's build quality vs. Lenovo?

 

Do they even make a hybrid mSSD with a 7200rpm drive? I love my current SSD in my Envy 17 but I definitely need more space

 

Just realizing, if the 740m is only 64bit bus width, why would HP opt for a weaker gpu in their performance laptop than the previous gen of Envys (DV)?

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Well, im disappointed. The variations and prices arent up on Best Buy yet but on HP's site i have built a few and the GPU options are disappointing! Integrated graphics or 740M....(I'm personally not up on if the base CPU is great or if its worth upgrading)

Other than that...from a custom build MSRP standpoint, its a 17 inch 1920x1080, Bluray, 1Tb (mSSD Caching) Win 8 Pro (for WMC) i7 4700, 8Gb RAM, for $1020. Its sad because if only they had the 750M, id pay $50-100 more for that and it would be the perfect laptop.

Who knows though if that variation will even be on BestBuy, or when BestBuy will have them, or if they will be more expensive there. :/


If Best-Buy's pricing is anything like the Envy 15 (Haswell) I just customized, my mother and brother definitely wont be upgrading. $870 (so that would be $220 out of pocket) essentially for 1920x1080 display, SSD Caching, Haswell CPU, and you lose the DVD drive. (Just a fun fact, the touch version of the Envy 15 I just custom made is only $100 more)

Why on the new Envy 17 the integrated GPU is the Intel 4000? Not the 4800? The CPU is the Haswell version.

 

Usual customer would think 740 > 650, + it's probably cheaper for them, like the worse screen and omission of the mic jack. Last gen DV's sound better to me.. Heck at this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Intel IGP is about the same speed as the dGPU so why even bother..
~Aeny

 

For the screen alone I would switch, 1080p would be the only way to go in my opinion.

 

I was thinking that too, but the 64-bit 740M is starting to scare me off. I might have to find a completely different option altogether...

 

I agree. $1180 (HP price, no clue what BB would charge) For a 17" laptop with a plastic lid, not tight hinges and the gutted 740 GPU is not that great. Im wondering if I will be returning my Ivy Bridge Envy 15 and just waiting until the new Haswell Samsung (or other brands) laptops release later this month and get something that I really think will be great.

 

Yeah, i'm going to cancel my order... Going to wait and see what else comes out. Everything else looked great and if it was 128-bit 740M, then it would have been acceptable to me for the price I was paying. I may have to pick up a laptop at Best Buy and use it until something else comes out (60 day returns with Premier Silver)...

 

They don't make GT 740M in anything other than 128-bit memory bus:
NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

Not sure where you guys got 64-bit from.

 

I said this before, check previous post where it shows in the device manager the gpu being 64 bit

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This was the picture courtesy of T2050 showing the memory interface and bandwidth

 

Those specs match the GK208 version mentioned in the same link that was posted (quoted below)...

It's unfortunate, as I probably would have kept my order. I do have to state that dealing with HP is a pain compared to Lenovo. With Lenovo I was able to cancel my order over chat. With HP I had to call and spend 30 minutes and ended up talking to two people and both of them tried to give me money to keep it. They offered me $80, and I might have been able to get more, but I decided to take a wait and see approach to see what else is going to be out there.

 

What I don't understand is I can't find any other reference to a 64 bit structure to the 740m, I only can see 128 bit version online, so why would hp do this?

 

I believe it could be nothing else but the GK208. The reason (so they say) is the GK208 uses less power, personally I think you be hard pressed to see any difference between this 64bit interface and a 128bit interface. What it comes down to is the GK208 will be a cheaper GPU to purchase for HP, without passing on the savings to the customer.

SSD cache is an option (24GB mSSD), this should work pretty good with a hybrid drive even though the drive is only 5400rpm.
HP ENVY TouchSmart 15t-j000 Quad Edition Notebook PC | HP® Official Store

Pitty about the wireless card. Looks like no Intel option.

I am wondering about the 740M only option. I am thinking that the 750M is coming later, as all NZ models are 740M only and are currently in stores. Where as the 750M models have to be ordered, so there could be a supply issue at this stage.

The 740M is a good GPU, but that DDR3 at 64bit is going to seriously ruin this GPU capability, especially on a FHD panel.

 

Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone knows if these new HP laptops come with an anti-glare screen option?

The dv6t series had a phenomenal anti-glare screen, I hope these follow suit.

 

So Justin and other mods any news/rumors of another line of laptops thats above these current Envys? But perhaps with a different name?

Or should we go ahead and get this laptop as this is the highest quality line that HP is going to release with Haswell?

 

Initially, the Y410P was only listed with 1366x768 but if you go configure one now, they are 1600x900. The Y510P has 1080P if that is a major sticking point for you. Also, you can't get touchscreens with the Y410P/510P and they have 2 speakers whereas the "Envy" 15 has 4. Not sure about actual sound quality though.

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I have just recieved specs back for a particular pre-built model. The GPU is listed as NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M Graphics Discrete 2GB DDR3

Hopefully that is a mistake on the 750M being DDR3.

If that is not a mistake, maybe HP are going to use DDR3 on both the 750M and 740M models, and then separate the GPU performance with the memory bus interface.

i.e 750M with DDR3 and 128bit memory interface, and 740M with 64bit memory interface

 

you can always get a notebook from the elitebook line, which really is top-end in every aspect. there you can get XM cpus and radeon #900m/geforce #80m class professional workstation gpus..... for the corresponding price. and no entertainment/gaming notebook from any other vendor will reach this quality ever. performance-wise only some eurocom-like "notebooks" with desktop hardware inside can beat them.

unfortunately HP's whole consumer line is the exact opposite of its elitebook line...

my only hope is that they are gonna release some really "premium" envy notebooks with high-end gpus (neither heavily underclocked, nor memory bus stripped - both already seen in the envies), full-metal high-quality built bodies, slot loading optical drive, 120hz IPS or radiance FHD displays etc. and of course efficient cooling (just compare the elitebook 8770w vents with any other HP notebooks')... somewhen later, but judging by the past experience, my hope is diminishing.

 

Man I was waiting for this laptop now severely disappointed. I have a 1500 gift card for HP but now I am confused what HP laptop to purchase. Any help? Sigh I wish I could just use it for another company. I intend to game heavily and do the usual casual stuff like browse, watch shows, etc. Thank you.

 

Well this is disappointing, I have been waiting for the next good envy. The singapore model also has 740 only. I guess I am going with samsung chronos series 7. amd 8870 2gb ddr5 should be a lot better right?

 

Whoa another disappointment with the battery. I kind of figured the battery would be 62Wh across all models. HP are offering a stinky (everyday class) little 47Wh battery in their HP ENVY TouchSmart 15-j050us, which is a pre-built model without dedicated graphics card.
That has me thinking, if you end up with any pre-built model without dedicated graphics card, be prepared to end up with a 47Wh battery. http://www.shopping.hp.com/shopping/pdf/e0k03ua.pdf

Something else to think about, from the link above, the chassis is not stated as alloy, but as this: Finish and Features • Glass fiber with silky soft-touch paint in natural silver

Just found this on the Quad Edition page under the spec page which is pretty sad for the CTO model. Battery 6-cell (47WHr) Li-Ion http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/ho...-TouchSmart-15t-j000-Quad-Edition-Notebook-PC

On a good note, appears that the chipset that HP are using is an Intel HM87 Express http://h20386.www2.hp.com/AustraliaStore/Product.aspx?pdetail=P296302&

http://ark.intel.com/products/75528

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww.../product-briefs/mobile-chipset-hm87-brief.pdf

Found out some more info on the 740M being a GK208 core, also means that is only has 8 ROPS, rather than 16 ROPS as the 640M and 650M has. This is more hurt for the crippled 740M, that I and maybe others will not be aware of. Found what I read the castration of the 740M leads to smaller manufacturing process, hence smaller core, less energy/power required to drive it, which is better for battery life, but since you are now getting a smaller Wh battery, it is not like you are getting a bonus of any kind.

I am pretty sure the shot of the Nvidia control panel hardware info would be correct, thus the 64bit memory interface would mean GK208 core. Still the core speed looks very high, but that could be the max reported speed under turbo 2.0

After assessing some of the likely facts around 740M GK208 64bit DDR3 (8 ROPS) only option, I am swaying on the fence towards the AMD 8750M 128bit DDR3 being the better GPU. The Intel Haswell quad might pack some processing punch. I am guessing that maybe the AMD A10-5750 with 8750M in a dual graphics scenario might actually be the better gaming option, certainly should run cooler when doing so too.

 

HP brochures mentions of an NVIDIA 750m but none of the models currently released have them.

HP Notebooks Envy J004TX, J005TX, Pavilion E004TX, E003TX PC SHOW 2013 Price List Brochure Flyer Image

 

What a shame. If anyone is getting the FHD panel and expects gaming out of the 64-bit memory bandwidth.. they're going to be sorely disappointed with anything made after 2010 probably.

 

lol crysis (1) was released back in 2007 and would break this 64bit bus immediately on 1080p, or oblivion (2006) with high resolution texture pack, or many other games way older than 2010.

just take a look at the memory usage etc. unsing corresponding console commands if available in any reasonably demanding game and with some calculation done the bandwidth will come close to or exceed the DDR3-64bit one. anything AA-like, HDR, SSAO and other PP would make it completely unplayable, even with greatly overclocked memory (and core).

and one would have to forget about 1080p video editing or some advanced CAD with these "envy" low-mid-end pavillions

 

Good spotting, now that we have some evidence that the 750M actually is an option (or so coming) in an official document.

This could explain why my pre-built model with spec as 750M has been delayed until first week on July. Although my supplier said that the 750M is listed with DDR3 memory in their spec

Can anyone find any concrete evidence that this years HP Envy 15-j with 750M actually comes with GDDR5 or DDR3?

EDIT: I have just received confirmation from a second supplier that HP are list a particular pre-built model with NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M Graphics Discrete 2GB DDR3

Could it be that a 750M with 128bit memory bus DDR3 maybe HP's premium offering this year?

 

So how much worse of a card is it from GDDR5 to DDR3 in lay man's terms?

 

Its bad, DDR3 is half the bandwidth of a GDDR5.

With the 740M stripped down memory bus the bandwidth with be just a quarter of GDDR5.

Then DDR3 is typically clocked 10% lower than GDDR5 so it usually even lower than above.

If a 750M comes with DDR3 this year, then would really only be OK for gaming at 1366 x 768.

 

is this laptop thick? i noticed from the video that on the side there is still a black plastic part which is almost half inch thick. hard to notice cuz of the silver layer. im planning to use it for school but i think its pretty big laptop since the numpad is there too

 

Just as thick at the back as any other dv6, thinner at the front due to removal of the optical drive, but I would not quoted it as "thin".

 

I think we were all spoiled by the 3xxx series of ENVY notebooks.

I've got a 17t-3000 3D, and I actually use both display ports and run 3 screens. The new ENVY line doesn't even have one display port.

Not sure what I'll do when this one dies.

I wish they would have continued with the ENVY line instead merging it with the dv's. It really was a beautiful thing.

 

Are you talking about the TouchSmart version, which has a thickness closer to dv6, because the non touch is almost as thin as the Envy m6 at the back, but even though slightly thicker it does weigh a significant amount less (4.8lb) makeing this thing an ultraportable)

 

I have had hands on with both, the bottom chassis is identical, same size and thickness. The lids are different, as in this is where the extra weight is, the heavier one is made of glass and is the touch screen version.

The extra weight is most noticeable on the touch screen version, at the back of the unit when the lid is up/open.

Both are still 15" laptops and still is a certain size, yes the non-touch screen version is lighter, but does not make it any smaller.

If you get the the i7-4700MQ with 740M, this unit comes with a reasonably large 120watt power brick, which is not really ultra portable.

 

I was searching up this laptop and came across this site.

For those of you in NZ - I have purchased the 15-J008TX model from Noel's and will update back here any news about it. So far the only thing I know is that shipments will not arrive until end July so we're looking atleast 2 months from now.

The model above is the Intel version with the 750M graphics card. Not too sure about the screen display but I am hoping for it to turn out to be 1920x1080.

 

Confirmation of the entry level GK208 core GPU, shows ES which is likely Engineering Sample. No doubt the 740M is an actual GK208 as well.

Appears that the N14P-GT is the code name for the 750M
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-750M.90245.0.html

Supported Devices and Features
NVIDIA GK208-ES
NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M
NVIDIA N14P-GT


Operating Systems
Microsoft Windows 8 64 Edition
,Microsoft Windows 8 Chinese Market 64 Edition
,Microsoft Windows 8 Emerging Markets 64 Edition
,Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise 64 Edition
,Microsoft Windows 8 Multi-Language 64 Edition
,Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 64 Edition





HP ENVY 17-j000 Notebook PC series- NVIDIA High-Definition (HD) Graphics Driver - HP Business Support Center

The above is for the model for HP ENVY 17-j000 Notebook PC series

Windows 8 64bit drivers link HP ENVY 17-j000 Notebook PC series- HP Business Support Center


Drivers for the HP ENVY TouchSmart 15-j000 Notebook PC series.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...TypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=5354987&taskId=135

For the 15, it is the same Nvidia driver as the 17 model, pretty certain these TX models are all 740M. Although has the driver for the N14P-GT is actually the 750M.
We just need to know if it is GDDR5 rather than DDR3 that the suppliers have come back with in their spec from HP for pre-built models I have enquired about so far.

 

Has HP updated the Elitebooks with Haswell?

And what's comparable to the Envy 3200s in terms of design and specs? Sad to say but I'm actually considering other manufacters at this point. Just want to keep my options open. This new "envy" is really just a slightly improved dv6/dv7 and I don't even like the design on them so unless HP surprises me soon with a brand new premium line of notebooks (17 inch screen I'm looking for) I'm gonna have to do a lot of research on other 17 inch laptops.

Maybe Apple might surprise me and bring back the 17 inch MacBook Pro.....a guy can dream....

 

Yeah, Lenovo's site or at least the Y series section has been littered with errors and typos since the Y410P & Y510P have appeared. I went ahead and re-ordered the Y410P as the 900P screen will be fine and the weight actually appears to be 4.85lbs instead of 5.5lbs (another typo). As for the speakers, that's not really a concern for me as I would probably be using headphones in any situation where sound would be important. Lenovo Y410P for $809 is just too good a deal to pass up... When you compare it to the MSI GE40 and even the 15" Envy, it's no contest in regards value/performance.

 

you should checkout the razer blade pro 17

 

I would prepare to be disappointed, I don't think it will come with 1920 x 1080 panel. This is their top model, I would however expect it to have a FHD panel for the price that has to be paid at $1899. I too are holding out hope for the FHD panel. This is the last highest priced option remaining for the Intel based notebooks in all of NZ, so in theory it should come with FHD. Their retail prices are grossly overpriced compared with online sales, and if you back it off ~$300-$400 then it ends up inline with what you should be expecting in the way of specs. I think that this might be about the same the 15-j023TX with a 1366 x 768 panel and 750M listed in NZ, and if that is the case I think you will be better off with the 15-j023TX as it is cost less for a start, has i7-4702MQ (less power consumption) and 1TB hard drive (rather than just 750GB).

If you really want FHD over any other spec, then only the AMD based model which is 15-j002AX actually does have a true FHD panel, it is $1999 from Harvey Normans, you will have to go in store, it is not listed on their website yet. If you take this price into consideration for the AMD model with FHD at $1999, would it not be unreasonable to say at $1899 for the Intel model a FHD panel is not going to happen.

Also be careful with Noel Lemmings, they often list products with errors in the spec. Therefore it could be possible the 750M might actually turn out to be a 740M.
To give you some examples, I have seen an AMD dv6 notebook listed with a FHD panel, then on inspection its is just a HD panel. Another dv6 was listed with 635M with GDDR5, and then is turns out to be just DDR3. Both of these products are gone now.
But they still have this dv6 listed with 7670M and GDDR4 memory, which is certainly not true, everyone know that no 2012 model dv6 came out with this memory, in fact there would hardly be many laptops every made with this type of memory if at all.

Click on the link below and then the specs tab:

http://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/c...s/hp-dv6-7305ax-15-6-notebook/prod121308.html

 

Yes, It would be nice if Apple brought back the 17 inch MacBook Pro, I have never brought an apple Notebook (or Desktop for that matter) but I would seriously consider purchasing a Retina Display (for lack of a better term) 17 inch MBP. With no optical drive (or at least give that as an option) USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt ports.

I am looking at all the new 17 inch notebooks (including the new gaming notebooks) before I purchase just waiting until they are All revealed.