ENVY 15-jXXX / ENVY 17-jXXX Notebooks (2013)

Thank you for your insightful post. I didn't know that noels makes so many errors. I didn't pay 1899 though, I ended up paying 1749 in store - I know it's still up on the higher end but I didn't want to buy from some online retail shop that I've never dealt with before. Anyways there's a 14 day RTB so in the worse case scenario I guess I'll just return it. Again I'll keep you updated as to what happens, the last thing I heard was that it would be shipped end July as mentioned in my last post. If anything better pops up til then I'll probably switch because the more I'm reading about this the more worried I am getting

 

I can understand your point about buying locally, although there is one online seller than offers 3 years warranty included in their price for the 15-j023TX, I have personally never brought a laptop from them, although I have brought about 100 items from them and never had any issues dealing with a few items that did fail. Their price on the 15-j023TX is $1675 including delivery and 3 year warranty. Problem with this model, it is been reported as 1366 x 768, but no one knows for sure, but I doubt that it would be FHD in this one, also it has been said that the 750M is DDR3, which places doubt over the model your have ordered being GDDR5, again no one can be sure until they actually see it and check it out.

Best thing about retail you can return if the spec is not correct, then you have a valid reason to return it for a refund due not fitting the purpose. In my experience they don't like it if you change you mind, in fact I found out later change of mind is something you don't have an actual right to under NZ law, therefore they can refuse to take it back, if they want to be like that. Just be careful, their policy is 14 days, although they will not refund your money if you change your mind, you will end up with a $1749 gift voucher instead.

I have been following the same Intel model as you, with the intention of getting Intel Haswell, Nvidia 750M, and FHD. I did not want the AMD model this year around, last years 2012 dv6 (although not touch screen) is smoking hot still with the awesome matte IPS like FHD panel that is in it. Although if all is done and dusted, the AMD is the only model I know that is FHD which is the 15-j002AX, that alone is almost grounds for going with that particular unit if all else fails.

I too have been looking into went this model will be in. I have heard several time due. Earliest being end of next week. Most common is 1st of July or 1st week of July, which I am guessing sounds about right. I am a bit concerned about end of July, as you were told, that almost 2 months away from when you purchased.

btw. I called HP to get some answers, they are not very good. The guy could not access an info on the 15-j008TX, and also the 15-j023TX (which is on NZ's website). Basically the guy gave me the spec for the 15-j007TX (which is FHD) and said that is would be about the same as the 15-j008TX. I don't understand his logic, as one unit is different to another, unless there is something in the numbers that determines a certain sequence that only HP knows about?

 

While I'm still disappointed in the lack of a GT 750M... the Envy 15t-j000 and Envy 17t-j000 just got a lot cheaper it seems.

New coupon from HP this week. Looks to expire 6/16. Quantity limited but I don't see where it says the count.

$769 for HP Envy 15t-j000 Quad Edition Haswell Core i7-4700MQ, 1080p, GeForce GT 740M

$899 for HP Envy 17t-j000 Haswell Core i7-4700MQ, Full HD 1080p, GeForce GT 740M, Blu-ray

Coupons are "NEWPC150" and "NEWPC75"

Looks like $899+ config = $150 off, $699 config $75 off.

This makes the Envy 15 with 1080p and 740M at $770... only $45 more than the base model w/o any upgrades. Under $800 for a 4th Gen i7 isn't bad. (Though I think the Y410p earlier this week for $720 with GT 750M was very good - though that had a yucky 1366 x 768 panel - anyways, different thread)

Anyone jumping at this price? The Envy 15 isn't bad at this price.

The "fully loaded" TouchSmart one is also a little bit cheaper at $869.99 with 1080p + 740M. I think it was $930 last week.

 

"... The GeForce GT 740M is now on the table, although gamers needing substantially more GPU power might want to wait for a GT 750M upgrade option. HP also lets buyers upgrade the CPU all the way to the high-end Core i7-4900MQ for a pretty price tag..."
Haswell gaming laptops and desktops compared from HP, Dell, & Lenovo | GamesBeat
I think this proves there is a 750m upgrade coming soon,I just hope it won't be equipped with DDR3 memory.

 

If one wanted to play PC games such as MMOs (specifically Final Fantasy 14 for example) would you recommend waiting for the graphics card update?

 

It will be DDR3.... The performance will be similar to the previous version with gt650 Ddr5

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I would wait it will come on couple of weeks.

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More like performance will be much worse, GDDR5 is a huge benefit over DDR3.

DDR3 will only be just ok for 1366 x 768, forget about gaming at 1920 x 1080 with just 28 GB/s bandwidth of DDR3 when compared with 64 GB/s bandwidth of GDDR5

 

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totally agree, I think the performance of a ddr3 gt750m would be much closer to a 640m than a 650m.
On another note,I think this round of envy-dv6 will not be a hit, unless they get a high-mid graphic card in them(e.g. 750 gddr5 or higher)

 

This laptop seems to check more of the boxes for me than any I've seen yet. I'm very tempted to order one. But on the customizer, I'm a bit surprised that it's not letting me choose both the SSD cache and more than 8GB of RAM. It says you have to go with 8GB or less. Yet it will let me do 8GB as 2x4GB, so that must mean it isn't an issue of the mSATA slot somehow blocking a RAM slot. I don't get this limit. Is it just a dumb configuration thing, or is there reason to believe the system actually can't support more than 8GB of RAM and a mSATA (I'm assuming it's mSATA) SSD, even if I upgrade it myself later?

For that matter, am I better off buying a mSATA card separately, perhaps with larger capacity, and adding it myself? Perhaps also using it as the OS/programs boot drive and not just a cache?

Also, is it redundant to get both the Hybrid HD and the SSD cache? I need more storage than you can get (at a reasonable cost) in an SSD at this point, but I want as much of an SSD benefit as I can.

 

Not sure about the about the RAM config. Although you could go from the lowest/cheapest RAM config, and then add 2x Kingston 8GB DDR3L-1600 low voltage modules, these are not to expensive.
Or get a single 8GB module from HP if it allows you to config with it (I am seeing signs that HP maybe using low voltage DDR3L modules at this point in time, in pre-built models), and then grab a Kingston 8GB DDR3L-1600 module.

Hybrid hard drive do make a good different and is highly recommended. Hybrid drive and SSD cache should give you a good bump in performance, especially boot times and launching programs. I think this would be a good option to start with.

I have just had a look at the user manual (page 53 and 54), even though cannot see totally what is under the back cover on the far side (there looks like there maybe a spot for the cache drive, due the the shape of the cover, and the square area that is out of the edge of the picture), the user manual shows icons for access to the hard drive, memory, and wireless card. Otherwise if you cannot get to the SSD cache under the back cover, you will have to disassemble the laptop to gain access to the mSATA slot.

Good luck.

 

does anyone have picture of the laptop from the sides? i wana know how thick this lappppy is

 

I don't have a picture, but here are the specs:

HP ENVY 15: 14.94 x 9.87 x 1.1 in

HP ENVY 15 TouchSmart: 14.94 x 9.87 x 1.18 in

The TouchSmart is slightly thicker, assuming the touchscreen has something to do with that. At over an inch, neither are exactly thin, but still slimmer than your average 15".

 

I'm hoping the 17 will fit in the backpack I bought. It's from Ogio and I really like it so far.

Edit: Are there any major differences between the Core i7-4800 and the Core i7-4900 when it comes to performance? Looking at HPs website it's like an addition $145 to jump from the 4800 to the 4900 so I'm wondering if its truly worth if.....

 

I am thinking at this point that all hope of GDDR5 version of the 750M is gone.

I would think that it is will be highly unlikely there will be a both DDR3 and GDDR5 options for the 750M, when the option for 750M becomes available on HP's USA website.

Here is the official spec of a pre-built model with 750M, and this is came direct from HP.

I guess by cutting the bandwidth of the 740M with DDR3 to a measly 14 GB/s by using a GK208 core, then HP can offer a 750M with DDR3 which will be a GK107 core that only has 28 GB/s bandwidth as their so called "performance option"

Also would like to add, that I hearing from sources that two models I have been looking at with 750M, have not been manufactured yet by HP. Then the units will need to be shipped from asia. July 5th is the earliest before any stock is received to be in the retail chain, I would not expect original the spec to change either for the graphics memory type.

 

Thanks buddy, i make up my mind now i will said no to HP, i might wait for samsung ativ book 8 even is more money but for a true high end laptop by adding 100 or 200 $ with much better graphic card is really a must, DDDR3 really bad for 1980x1080.

 

I ordered a new dv6t quad right before intel dropped haswell and have the opportunity to send it back and exchange for a new 15t-j000 quad. Based on this thread however I am thinking that I might be better off keeping the dv6t that will arrive in the mail later this week. The specs of the two are pretty much the same other than the processor and graphics card which I will make my decision based on.

dv6t I ordered:
• i7-3740QM Processor
• NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GT 650M Graphics with 2048MB of dedicated video memory

vs.

15t:
- i7-4700MQ Processor
- NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M Graphics with 2048MB of dedicated video memory

So I gather that the 650M gpu is better than the 740M, but the new 4th gen i7 is better than the 3rd gen. So I'm curious which is the bigger factor. I won't be gaming with this notebook, but will be doing 1080p video editing with premier pro and after affects. I know that the haswell 15t would have better battery life and a touch screen, but that's not a huge concern for me. Thanks for the help!

 

Do the 15t (ones with touch) have a removable CD drive ? or is it to thin .

Reason I am asking is I want to replace the main HDD with a SSD and the what ever drive with the main HDD in the future .

I can get the Envy 15 Touch
i7-4700mq
Intel HD 4600
1TB HDD
1 Dimm 8gb Ram
1080

For 816$ (That includes shipping and tax), is this a good deal ?

Is the jump to the 4702mq worth it ? How much will I see in battery increase .

Anything else I should be worried about ? I shipped out on the gpu due to what I read .

 

It's gross that HP discontinued their high end systems and just relabeled the Pavilion dv line to Envy. Now there really isn't a high-end consumer option from HP, very disappointing. The dv line was a good choice for price/performance but the build quality is not great (I had a dv2201 a while ago and it was built horribly and died in about 3 years). HP's cost cutting is probably going to end up killing them.

 

Don't do it.

The processor in your current model if within ~10% of the performance.

The GPU in your current model the 650M would murder the 740M. Your 650M will have over x4 the memory bandwidth of the 740M. The 740M is a GK208 core with starved memory bandwidth.

 

Yeah that's what I thought would be the better option. Thanks!

 

Can someone answer me a few questions about the ENVY 15-jXXX, which I bought (with the coupon)?

1. If they do come out with this superior 750m gpu within the a few weeks my return period, would I be able to send it back and upgrade to it for the additional cost?
2. Will the current GPU be able to run on a 1600p external monitor (for general use)?
3. How are the speakers on this? The beats speakers on my htc one are amazing for what they are and assume these will be good to, regardless of marketing.

 

Not sure on #1 and #2, but you have 21 days to return or exchange a product from the day you receive the item.

 

does dis laptop sucks just cuz the gpu is DDR3?

im planning to buy in august hoping they have a new gpu version

 

Just wanted to know if the Optical drive can be removed and replaced with a caddy for a HDD .

 

Look at the pictures. The Envy 15 doesn't have an optical drive.

 

Can someone please give me details of trackpad and WiFi card like brand and model? I would like to purchase this laptop and convert it to run Linux. Thanks!

 

I hope so too. Keeping my fingers crossed. I really want the slim form factor and more of the power!

 

Ahhh ok .

But it does have an mSata slot right ?

Also, does it have an IPS or is it TN screen ?

 

Does it take 2x 2.5" (+msata) drives then? Otherwise it sounds like a gigantic waste of free space, I got no idea what else they could have put in that area..
~Aeny

 

Just ordered the 15 Touchsmart

Base specs without 740m besides 1 Dimm 8GB ram (if I wanted to upgrade later) and Bluetooth for 830$ Total .

Don't really play games that much, so I don't really see a use and I do some light video editing which I'm sure the 4600 will be able to handle .

Hopefully it's pretty good, if not I'll just return it

If any other touchscreen + quad haswell comes up in the next 1 or 2 months that are comparable at around the same price, I'll be rather annoyed (which I suspect will happen)

 

I'm starting to get tired of waiting for the new graphics chip...I'm really not that big of a PC gamer....and I doubt I'll even have time to play any PC games what with the Xbox One soon to come out and eventually a Legend of Zelda for Wii U.

I just don't know. Are we absolutely sure that the 750M will be an option within a week/a week and a half at HPs website? Or was that just random speculation?

 

I think its pretty much confirmed to get a 750m DDR3 upgrade option.
ENVY TS 15-j023TX i7 8GB 1TB 15.6 W8(E3B18PA)
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Everyone please remember that the 750M has been confirmed not only by this retailer, also other here in my country as DDR3. Also one retailer forward me the offical spec, and the was direct from HP. Just got back a couple of pages in the thread, I posted it exactly how I received it.

750M = DDR3

Unless there has been a drastic mistake by HP, but don't count on it being a mistake. Anyone can hold out hope, until someone gets the actual unit in their hands, to actually visually confirm it. Which might actually be me if they hurry up with my order, which is a pre-built model, in theory I should get it before the CTO lot.

 

so wats up with the DDR3, does it suck compared to the DDR5?

 

Yes it does totally. This years 750M will have just half the memory bandwidth performance of last years 650M. This will make it slow especially when trying to use higher resolutions, extra detail setting, AF and AA will suffer.

Put this this way, this years 750M with DDR3 will be about the same or a tiny bit better as last years 640M DDR3 cards in performance.

 

Thanks for the information. Like I said the waiting is what's really killing me. Anyways I'll give it a week and thats it.

 

please help to choose, i'm really noob in it

dell xps 15
Intel Core 3rd Generation i7-3632QM Processor
NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M with 2GB GDDR5 VRAM

or

hp envy 15
4th generation Intel Core i7-4702MQ Processor
NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M Graphics with 2048MB of dedicated video memory

or

old hp envy 15
2.30 GHz 3rd generation Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.30 GHz
Radeon HD 7750M switchable graphics with 1024MB GDDR5

what is better?

 

dont see price listed as that's a major factor.. also what are u doing with it? assuming that all your choices has a GPU, you probably want to do some gaming..

seems to me like the old envy 15 with radeon hd 7750M is the fastest one of the bunch for gaming, even if its with a 3rd gen i7:

AMD Radeon HD 7750M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

everyone keeps saying the 740M in this new round of Envy 15t-jxxx are the slower version with slower memory.. so thats something to consider too
NVIDIA GeForce GT 740M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

is that old hp envy 15 with the 1080p ips orange/red/what-color-is-it screen?

 

the dell is immediately out it had throttlign issues, wifi issues, screen issues. The newer envy has a bit faster processor but thats it. the older envy r@pes it in gpu, screen quality, build quality, speakers, I think has an extra fan. The gpu is actually a decrease. The envy with 7750m doesnt have orangegate. I would get the newer envy if didnt game but wanted a touchscreen... thats the only advantage i see in it

 

the older envy is better for everthing except it doesnt have a touch screen. The dell has too many problems and is expensive

 

I am confused a bit. Is the new Envy 15-jXXX the DV6 update? ie: the DV6 has been replaced with this model?

If not, then its possible the DV6 will be coming out with a 750m DDR5 no? after all the existing one has a 650m DDR5

 

yes this is the follow up to the dv6/dv7 series. it is not an update to the premium discontinued line

 

The new Envy 15-j, which is actually a dv6 update should have an updated 650M, which is a refreshed/rebrand to 750M, in which is does. The problem is it appears that HP and pulling the GDDR5 memory from the update, and allowing just DDR3.

In theory the the 750M this year should be faster, and it would be sightly, but by pulling GDDR5 from the 750M and using DDR3, it will be slowing than a 650M with GDDR5

650M GDDR5 > 750M DRR3

Again, I have to point out, until someone actually gets a 750M model, only then can it be verified if DDR3 or GDDR5. The official word from the suppliers and HP that are giving them the details directly, it is at this point DDR3 memory that is spec for the GPU memory.

btw. small update, found Australia's official line up for pre-built models. http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5354987
Most interesting (or difference not seen normally) about the above link, the more expensive model uses DDR3L for the system memory, the 2 don't according to HP's official spec.

The reasons I am still going with the 750M even if it is DDR3, is that my main aim is the FHD panel, and thats is my model actually comes with it (I am yet to find out)?
Although a 740M with GK208 core 64-bit memory (1x SMX) is to weak for my liking, but maybe ok for most people, but not that many people here on these forums would want it.

 

i will be doing alot of autocad drawings and some photo edi watching movie etc only game i will be playing on this laptop will be league of legends i think so does the graphic card matter that much?i also want to learn photoshop and i am very new to photoshop so i have no idea about if the software require better graphic or not so for 740M or 750M DDR3 is it enough for my need?

 

What do you mean that the 750m is the only one that comes with FHD ?

 

Short answer is no. You should be able to get FHD on any CTO laptop with any graphics option.

There are no CTO options that I know of outside of the USA, the remainder of the world are on pre-build models. Due to the 750M not actually being in circulation yet, everyone is still waiting for the 750M to be produced in the new Envy 15-J models. No idea what the hold up on the 750M graphics option is, is not like it new tech and is still just a rebadged kelper.

Personally if I can get a FHD touchscreen (which the spec isn't listed with or without FHD touchscreen, on my unit on order), then I will be happy enough with 750M with DDR3, to purchase this laptop, anything less then I will not be.

However all I am pointing out is the 740M option is really a poor option for a discrete graphics in a laptop of this cost and market segment. In any case if you want this laptop now, then go for it, the 740M will alway be better than the Intel solution.

My wife has a 710M in her Acer laptop, it has a 64-bit with 14 GB/s memory bandwidth bus. Although based on the older Fermi technology with a node shrink down from 40nm to 28nm, using the GK117 core, it plays surprisingly well for the lowest Nvidia 7XXM graphics options. This die shrink allows discrete graphics at a low power drain/cost.

In theory the 750M still has its 2x SMX intact as it is still the same GK107 of last year.
The new 740M is based on the GK208 core which has has] one of its SMX cut off, this makes it a single SMX part, doing this allow the acutally die size of the core to be smaller, thus consume less power, also you get less performance, hence due to half the memory bandwidth.

Update
I have just had some good news about the 750M, from a supplier. They have had confirmation that the 750M in my pre-built model on order will be using GDDR5 memory and not DDR3, after they talked to another source at HP.

In retrospect, taking in to account that these 750M models are 2-3 weeks away before being run off the production line, there is a good chance the above is correct being GDDR5.

 

I really hope that is true, as they would get my money immediately, especially with all the discounts and coupons they are always offering.

 

, there isn't even an option on the HP website for 750m in the quad edition .

Sad-face .

 

So after all that hysteria it is likely that the 750M may end up having DDR5 memory after all?

Priceless....