HP 8510P new Bios !!! improves HD 2600

have you tried simply "underclocking" the card?

on a second thought, I might try to do that as well. having a slower running gpu might save some precious battery life. anyone got any insights on that?

 

@bharris

hmm, well if that worked for you before... i´m just curious, since i had a slight problem with the fan not slowing down after running a 3d app, you never had that issue ?

concerning the temperature, i guess something is seriously wrong with my temps. i just di have another ocing attempt core 634.5mhz - mem 794mhz. and the gpu temp never went above 35°C.
when running 3dmark06 even the fan slowed down after one benchmark is finished and the next one is loaded. i begin to think the asic is really not ok. it does look as if it reports the correct temps, but i´m still not convinced if this can be true.

if you compare my settings this time with the last ocing attempts i made you will see that i have clocked the ram more than 100 mhz higher than before. i even could push the ram up to ~ 820mhz (core 634.5 mhz).

what bugs me a little bit is that if the core is pushed beyond 640 mhz it immediatly crashes. and since there is enough voltage to even push the ram much higher, i come to think that hp did limit this gpu to ~ 640mhz.

anyway, here´s my result for the highest settings i could do with the hd2600 so far:

634.5mhz / 794 mhz 4274 points @ 1280x1024

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=13250365

if you compare this to my my previous result of 4141 points with the settings 634.5 mhz /684 mhz , you will find that raising the clock for the ram for more than 110mhz just got me a measly increase of 131 3dmark points.

just what i supposed earlier, when looking at sordid´s ocing results : it does not make a lot of sense to push the ram to it´s limits, since the gpu is the bottleneck in this case.

 

No i have never had an issue with the fan not slowing down, never had a crash with vid card either, so thats why i reverted back. I sure am liking the temps and fan noise alot more since ive reverted back though.

Maybe at a later date when i need more power i'll o/c. My main uses are not for gaming but rather 3d professional apps, so im more interested in a firegl mod than o/c'ing right now.

 

When on battery, the gpu does not run at 500/600. When in Windows, doing your normal daily non-gaming routine, it runs at reduced clocks (independent of overclocking settings) to conserve battery power and reduce heat. Even desktop cards downclock in 2D/UI mode.

Full-screen gaming, however, obviously depends on your PowerPlay settings. Reduced performance probably equates to the old 300/400, but don't quote me.

Vista is a different coloured horse. However, Vista has yet to out live XP in battery life.

 

sordid, how can You prove your statement?? Since the BIOS upgrade it seems that the gpu only runs with 500/600Mhz clocks and it doesnt downclock. We can only assume at the moment yet the temperature rise backs it up.

 

When you say it equates to the 'old' 300/400 thats not technically correct, because it runs the same when it was being reported as 300/400. It was just being reported incorrectly. So maybe it goes down to 'actual' 300/400 is more accurate

 

i just made a screenshot of the everest info window for the hd 2600. right now i´m working on battery with powersavin enabled.
you´ll see that the card is clocked down to the standard of 125 / 252 mhz. if i´d start a 3d application on battery, it will most likely be clocked to 300/400mhz.

what´s interesting when you have a closer look the picture you will find a setting that "overdrives" the core clock to 600 mhz, when the power is needed.

 

http://ati.de/products/pdf/powerplaywp2.pdf

The information you want are on pages 6 and 7. They concern power and clock throttling and gating.

I'll quote some important parts, but I suggest one reads the entire paper as it includes some very useful information.

The problem lies with the tools. These tools you use to tell you the only clock speed is 500/600 are completely ignorant of PowerPlay. These clock speeds being shown are the full balls-out clocks when PowerPlay is disabled and the system is being run in high performance mode. Anything less, and you're not getting the clocks you set.

The reduced clocks thing has existed for a really long time. It's just more advanced now.

edit:
Thanks for the heads-up, schoko. I'm glad to see that Everest does more in-depth investigation of the hardware.

 

Ok. Cool. Thanks for both info! I wasnt sure if the updated clocks were lock there for good

 

schoko：

could you tell me which verison your everest is? and where can I download it?

Thank you!

Because my everest shows the same thing except the "unified shaders". Mine is 80 (v4.0)

 

i´m using the latest version of everest v. 4.20

you´ll find it at the lavalys homepage :
http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?ps=UE&lang=en

 

quick question here:

I have a problem, that whenever I close and open the lid of my notebook, all the desktop icons, position of windows, etc get screwed up.

I'm suspecting the catalyst driver being the culprit, because they aren't real notebook drivers, but modded standard drivers (I used the modtool)

Anybody else got that problem?

 

Screwed up as in the position changes? or the name? Or they all look garbled?

When I lower my resolution to do something that reqs it all my icons move around, sounds like that's whats happening.

I've never had a problem with icons moving on their own though :\

 

yes, the position gets messed up, just like when you lower the resolution.

 

this sounds funny. why would it do that?? what action have u got set up when u close the lid?? what cat. drivers are u using??

 

lid action is set to "do nothing". when I close the lid, it does turn off the screen though.

I'm using the latest 7.12 catalyst driver.

 

First of all I need to say that I have read all the posts in this thread. Now, I have 2 major problems:

1-I just downloaded the 3dMark06 and when I start it, it just stops at the startup image (the one which is saying that it will scan my system configuration in one minute). I tried installing, uninstalling both the drivers and the software but with negative results.

2-I just downloaded the Cat 7.12 drivers from ati but when I'm trying to install them, I'm getting the following error message:
"Setup did not found a driver compatible with your current hardware or operating system. Setup will now exit".
I can assure you I chosen the right stuff on ATI site and that is: Windows XP professional, Radeon, HD 2600 series.
I tried to download only the drivers but I got the same problem.

I'm using:
-HP 8150p with the latest drivers from www.hp.com
-Windows XP Professional

Any ideeas ?

 

to get 3dmark running, go to c:\windows\system32\futuremark\msc and delete the direcpll.dll file or rename it to something else (like direcpll.dll.bak).

to get your drivers working, go here and follow the directions exactly:
http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/

if you have issues, go here and check if somebody answered the same question already, or ask it.
http://www.driverheaven.net/driverh...t-public-beta-v-0-8-8-0-xp-vista-support.html

 

to get 3dmark running u can also download the fix from futuremark website.

 

not as much sense of self accomplishment with that method though

 

if you overclock you might want to change the paste to AS5 too...

here is the manual on how to do it... 15 min tops...

8510p pdf service manual

 

Hello guys. I recently purchased a 8510P notebook. I see that you have managed to overclock the video card. I'm currently using the official OEM drivers for HD2600. I also read that is possible to install Catalyst 8.1 using the Driverheaven mod tool. I have a few questions regarding the new drivers:
- which version are the latest OEM drivers?
- are the new drivers 8.1 better then the last HP OEM drivers?
- if I install the new drivers should I first uninstall the OEM drivers? I have heard that using the modded drivers I will not benefit from the Catalyst Control Center.

P.S. I'm running Vista Business 32 bit and I don't want to switch to XP

Could you please help me?
Thanks.

 

to answer your questions :

1&2. the latest driver from hp is from october. these are not as fast compared to the later drivers like 7.12 or 8.1.

3. it´s always a good idea to uninstall this software.

4 . of course you will have benefit from the CCC. you will be able to use the powersettings for your hd2600 mobilty also. and this works in xp and vista, so no problem here. all you need to search manually for is the ati hdmi driver. this one should be included in the 8.1 catalyst.

i just can recommend you to update your graphics card driver after you have updated your bios. to the latest version.

 

Thanks for your help. I will download the 8.1 Catalyst software.
One more question : if I uninstall the current drivers should I also uninstall the Catalyst Control Center?

 

Hello Guys,

First of all, thanks for lungboy and for Ackeron the great reviews.

Secondly, please find bellow my findings about my 8510p (purchased 2 weeks ago) , from installation, through updates, till (focusing on) oc.

After the fresh installation (XP Pro, 32 bit), using the original XP install CD, i have experienced the same problem as Ackeron: 300/400 MHz, no oc possibility, but i did not have any problem w/ loud fan, VPU Recover or "green death". After the new bios flash i had the normal 500/600 Mhz. I used the 3DMarks on the fresh XP install (newest drivers from HP support site), and after all installs (ESET, Nero, Norton Ghost + Windows updates etc) to figure out the possible perf. loss. At last but not least, I made some OC as well. So,

1. Config: T7500, 2.2GHz, HD 2600, DDR3, 120GB, 5400 RPM, 2GB RAM, XP Pro. SP2, 32 Bit (up-to-dated as Feb. 5)
2. Adjustments: Bios flash (F.0C), No drivercleaner (becasue 1st install), ATI Catalyst 8.1 w/ the modtool.
3. OC: By using ATI Tool 0.27b4, made 3 OC options (500/600, 550/675, 600/700)
4. Used Progz.: AMDGPUClockTool 0.7, Everest Ultimate 4.20, Speedfan 4.33, GPU-Z 0.1.5, 3Dmark 1.02 Advanced Edition with hotfix (1280*1024, no AA, Optimal Filtering)


3DMark results:

1. Clean system, no oc: 3386



2. All installs, no oc: 3377



So, there is no big delta in the two 3DMark results, between a fresh install and an all-install one.

3. Oc, 550/675: 3691, No Artifacts (Running 15mins)


4. Oc, 600/700: 3941, No Artifacts (Running 15mins)


I did not went further, because this is "enough", but I couldn't resist to find the max: at circa 630 core it stopped. Memory from 700 and 800 was not a big improvement, as it was said before. So the max would be at 630/700 as well.

5. Summary:
a. 500/600 (no oc): Max. 39C, Avg. 36C, 257 FPS (Ati tool), 3377 3DMarks
b. 550/675, max. 43C, AVG 39C (>6000 sample), 290 FPS, No Artifacts (after 15 min run), 3691 3Dmarks (During 3Dmarks analysis GPUClockTool temp, Max 39C)
3. 600/700, max. 45C, AVG 42C (>6000 sample), 310 FPS, No Artifacts (after 15 min run), 3941 3DMarks (Max 40C)

I used three temp monitor, as above-mentioned. GPUtool and Everest showed the same temp all the time, while speedfan at temp 2 showed pretty higher values, so there are two option i think: speedfan has to be set by giving the exact chipset/motherboard type, or temp 2 doesnt measure the GPU temp.

My questions:
1. What is the normal, highest "normal" GPU temp? 40C?
2. Offtopic: I used to have a dot (once red, then gray) on the top left, why did i have it? Screen issue?
3. Offtopic. I red that 8510p can handle 100 Hz at 1600*1024, while at 1680*1050 it can do it at only 60 Hz. Does it worth to switch to 1600*1024? I do not know why, but when I did this, the screen looks pretty miserable. Any solution?

Thanks again.

Bests,
anpe

 

Hi anpe, great post! Nice work

I think you finally resolved the temperature issues. Speedfan must be incorrect. Nice temps then! Scores too

I've always used Speedfan so I don't really know a "normal" GPU temp. Others will though.

Is the dot gone? Could be a stuck pixel that gets caught on one colour every now and then. Unless it stays permanently stuck I wouldn't worry. And if it's fairly rare sounds like you can massage the pixel back to life anyway.

I've never heard that about the resolution, but I always keep it at the native 1680x1050 because it looks best IMO. Plus I've been told that LCDs run fine at 60Hz so there's not much need to go higher.

Cheers!

 

Thanks. The dot is there, but sometime it is gone. It can be seen only when no windows are open, just on the desktop. When I open a window in full size, it doesnt appear... Strange. But wish to have not a bigger problem like this in the future!

Ok, I will wait for the others reply about my questions then...

 

I have never seen it operating over 42oC. U can test by touching below the HP sign below the screen, just between mute and info touch buttons. Make sure U record the GPU temp in AMD GPU fot the whole test. It should then tell you what was the max, average and current temp.

 

Destiny: I used AMDGPUClockTool 0.7 for my temp monitoring. Without OC the max that AMD GPU (ASIC temp via internal TSS - it said) showed was 39C and the avg of 36C after more than 6000 sample.

1. No oc, 500/600: (I put a bit more AVG as it shows, because when i have started the monitoring it was only 13C and it impacted the AVG.


2. Oc, 550/675:


3. Oc, 600/700: (When it was running with that OC level, it was pretty warm under the HP logo.)

 

I think my 42o was after o/c so your temps look ok.

 

unfortunately i have the white dot on the top left of the screen as well.

could be caused by a problem in the videocard driver

 

GUYS!!

Cant really believe it NEW BIOS AGAIN!!!!!

http://pinurl.com/67p

HP Compaq 8510p Notebook PC System BIOS Update Version F.0F

*
Added option in F10 Setup where modem can be enabled or disabled.
*
Added support for the new Intel processors.
*
Added a BIOS boot block update that eliminates a potential security vulnerability.
*
Added an AMD/ATI VBIOS update to fix specific ATI VPU Recovery errors when 2D and 3D programs are running. This update disables Dynamic Power Management and always runs graphics in high performance when the system is on AC power. ATI PowerPlay will still be enabled, so the battery life when the system is running on DC power is not compromised.
*
Added an AMD/ATI VBIOS update to fix the low-value timeout in M76 PCIe bus receivers when there is heavy system activity, which prevents specific VPU Recovery errors that were caused by running 3D programs such as 3DMarks and Quake III.

NOTE: Restore F10 Setup to the default setting after upgrading the system BIOS.

If anybody is going to test it please give feedback.
Lets hope it will sort out our notebooks one and for all!!

 

where to find it ??

 

Destiny: Thanks for the link and the info. Just one thing. It says: " Previous versions of the system BIOS cannot be reinstalled after system BIOS version F.0F has been installed." as well.

Strange, but in the HP support center ( link) it says the most up-to-dated BIOS for 8510p is still F.0C, 20 Dec 2007.

Maybe I will change it, but now i am completly starting to go mad becasue of my Wifi. It doesnt see any conenctions and I habe been trying to fix it in the last 2-3 days, w/o any success (tried anyithing, not i am about the make a clean install again).

Jerry: link

 

still the latest bios i see at up[date is f.o.c . and i don't like the no going back part . so far i've had zero problems since bios f.o.c , what if the new one has problems ? i can't go back to f.o.c ?

 

I had the same problem with 7.12 cat driver. Now I have a completely clean installed system with the default HP driver. I want to install the 8.2 cat driver but I'm not sure if the problem will still occur.

Anybody else got that lid-close-resolution-change problem?

 

I am subscribed to HP business newsletter or sthing like that. That is where I got the update from. If anybody is interested I can send it by e-mail but there is not much said and it just gives the link. Anybody updated yet??

 

Seems like HP has leaked this info on the new bios a little bit too soon. The new bios is not available for download yet. The latest available Bios is still the F.0C from 20 December.

In the HP forums a link to the bios download was posted, but right now it just ends in a "sorry, the requested site cannot be found" - error.

seems like HP has pulled back from releasing this bios right now. wondering what might be the problem with the new version ?

 

Maybe they're adding something to make the fan limits reasonable? Okay, they probably aren't, but I wish they would fix it.

 

I was always wondering when there is such an update released how much do they actually tell us? I mean, if what it is supposed to fix is the only thing it fixes or there is more thing, but they just want to keep quiet about them?? What do U think??

 

well, the white dot problem seems to be driver based. ati´s solution to this problem is the installation of the latest catalyst 8.2.

since i don´t have this problem i can´t say if it works :
Edit //
sorry, put the wrong link here before.
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=31715

best

 

Has anyone tried reseating the heatsinks on the graphics card/processor with some AS5 or similar?

I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to try and reduce the temps so the fans don't have to spin up so fast...

 

Looks like we´ll be seeing the new Bios from HP most likely next week.
Users at the HP forum are discussing it right now, and it seems as if the people that did not get a fix for their graphic problems with the Bios F.0C, will be served now.
Hp is using some users as test pilots for the new bios, and they are reporting that their problems seem to be gone now.
The bios is still showing the old release date, but i guess that will be changed when the bios is finally released.

for further reading :
http://forums12.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1184904

The fix seems to come with the new bios and an optimized 8.391 driver ( version 7.2). Most of the files within the new driver package carry a newer date, so HP must have checked the files for bugs and errors.

One user did upload the files :

1. the optimized graphics driver
2. the new bios, that comes as an *.iso file. / you need to create a bootable cd for this one.

for those who can´t wait trying this fix :

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/ctd/customerservice/HP8510fix.htm

for all the others, i guess HP will release the bios within the next week.

 

new F.0F here...

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...&swLang=8&taskId=135&swItem=ob-58113-1&mode=3

Video bios dated 29.01.2008 (newer than the previous beta)
Updates "Keyboard controller" to 71.36

 

what an improvement... we really needed the new keyboard controller...

 

For XP Pro it doesn't mention a new keyboard controller. Why would the keyboard controller even need updating?

- Adds option in F10 Setup to enable or disable
the modem.

NOTE: Restore F10 Setup to the default setting
after upgrading the system BIOS.

- Adds support for new Intel Processors.

- Adds a BIOS boot block update that eliminates a
potential security vulnerability.

EDIT: I see, it happened during the restart process after installing the BIOS update. At first I was trying to install the SSM version of the BIOS update and wondering why it wouldn't install... Whoops. I think it also updates the BIOS for the video driver. When I checked in the F10 menu, the video driver was Jan something 2008. The fan seems to run at a higher setting (Stage 2) more often I hope I'm imagining things, I might be. I'll post up later today after I've had more time.

 

Id better wait for your msg then. Anybody updated as well?

 

just updated to the new bios.

as far as i can judge it now, i don´t see any mayor differences on my system.

since my system already was stable i didn´t need this update. just checked, and the benchmarks are still coming up with the same results, no crashing, and the card still gets locked when i push the core clock above 640 mhz.

so basicly nothing has changed for me. but maybe the people here that still had some problems with the graphics card making a lot of trouble have had a final fix for their problems.

edit: i think my fan has become a little more quiet, but am not sure now...
will have to test this during work tomorrow...

 

I bet it's probably the same and the changes are in our heads. Either way, I'd update for the keyboard controller.

Okay seriously, I'd update for the security fix.

 

jep, might be the same....

same here, i probably only have upgraded for the security update... whatever it is !