HP 8510P new Bios !!! improves HD 2600

Just be honest, u only upgraded coz u like it to be as new as possible

 

NOTE: Restore F10 Setup to the default setting
after upgrading the system BIOS.

how do i do this ?what is f10 setup ?

 

F10 set-up can be accessed by pressing F10 right when you start up your computer. It gives you access to certain features not normally available. It'd be easier if you just looked around because there's some interesting things in there. Don't worry about the note. You don't really have to do anything in my experience. I just use it to make sure the BIOS updated correctly.

 

thanks , so i just hit restore defaults in the bios ? and then reboot and change things back , like fan and other options

 

I didn't change anything or access anything besides checking the BIOS version in the F10 menu.

 

thanks again . i'll do the same

 

sheesh... no, i would never dare to touch a running system...


after bios installation i did the restore.
since the restore did not switch on the things i have manually switched off, i come to think there are some of the non accessible parts of the bios that were altered.

right now i just can guess, but the restore seems to overwrite / update some of these settings we can not see.

 

Ehhhm? what do you mean?

 

usually you can restore all the system settings, the state the laptop (bios) was in when it was delivered. when you restore the system default settings all the changes made by you should be undone.

i´ve switched off quite a few things in the bios, made several changes. when i restored the system default settings after i updated the bios all my changes were still active. thats why i guess ( don´t know for sure ) doing a system restore will change some other things after a bios update.

 

hmm, funny really. default setting should restore them to actual defaults after the bios upgrade. Maybe u need to enter bios again, after a restart or sthing?

 

Ah my fan is perfect right now, I hope HP didn't mess with it!!!

 

I've noticed when I'm running on battery, the fan isn't on nearly as much. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything in XP to keep it that way once I plug it in. I never bother with changing BIOS settings, mainly because I didn't know you could.

 

Hi,
thx guys for all your interesting ideas however I've a question @ schoko - in your signature is that you're running windows xp x64. I've the same OS latest drivers (8.4) fixed with modtool (from driverheaven) and also HP 8510p (latest bios - bought 3 days ago) and when I try to overclock my GPU with ATi tool or ati tray tools i get an instant crash (BSOD), so I can't overclock even for 1 MHz. So is it possible to do overclocking at Win xp x64 at all? If so with which tool, which drivers?

Thank you for your reply.

 

Check if you havent got PowerPlay in Control Panel enabled as this would cause it to BSOD. Report back.

 

@ schoko, did you buy your 8510p with XP 64 bit or is it your private copy??

 

Thank you for your reply.

unfortunately it didn't solve my problem . I still blame Win Xp x64 hope schoko will come with a solution

 

well in my country (CZ) HP does not offer any 64bit OS at all. However they do support Win Vista x64 but does not Win Xp x64, so even installing the system was (at least in my case) hell so if schoko would be so kind and prepare a topic about it? Which drivers did you used? Links etc.. ATM I used some Vista x64 drivers some Win Xp x64 everything available and well it's not, from my point of view, rock stable :-/.

P.S. I checked HP's "HP Top Config" (customized notebooks - I had my old HP nc8430 from this system) and Win Vista / Xp x64 version is not in options...


I bought this laptop 3 days ago and I received pre-installed Win Xp x86 (32bit) ENG/CZ and 3 DVDs (Vista Business 32bit ENG, Vista Business 32bit CZ, and driver DVD with 32bit/64bit drivers (!!)

 

the xp 64 i have installed is my own copy. had xp 64 lying around for quite a while, and with the Hp8510P i finally got a computer that was "qualified" for using XP 64.

if you need drivers, all you need to do is check for the HP 8510w. besides the different graphics cards and a workstation logo on the HP 8510w, these two laptops are the same. and so are the drivers.
Since the HP 8510w is qualified for winxp 64 you will get all the drivers now, and for quite a while, because HP needs to stick to the product lifecycle. so i guess we will have at least another year, or maybe two years of HP support for the 64 bit XP .

 

# great thank you!

# and that overclocking problem? are you able to overclock with win xp x64? which tools do you use? which drvers?

 

yes i can.

overclocking does work of course in winxp 64 just the same as in xp 32.

 

Is it working fine on the FireGL driver??

 

yes, of course. the driver is just software. overclocking is done to the hardware, and the driver does not have that much dependencies on the clocks of the card. everything is fine here using latest amdgpuclocktool 0.7.

btw, i do not overclock all the time, just when i need some extra performance when working with huge 3d models or when gaming. have not experienced any glitches or instabilities yet.

 

did you do any comparision between oc and not oc card in specview perf??

 

well AMDGPUTOOL hangs - it runs, uses system resources but it's nowhere - not in system or anywhere else...


any idea guys? btw Destiny how do you overclock? Do you use regular WinXp x86?

 

yes, i did.

my results were quite good actually.

Code:

[B]specviewperf10 -x32 - default clocks - driver 8.453.1[/B]

3dsmax-04 : 34.96
catia-02 : 34.22
ensight-03 : 23.91
maya-02 : 108.95
proe-04 : 34.05
sw-01 : 70.82
tcvis-01 : 21.30
ugnx-01 : 18.17

Code:

[B]specviewperf10 -x32- 634mhz/680mhz - driver 8.453.1[/B]

3dsmax-04 : 37.28
catia-02 : 35.78
ensight-03 : 26.64
maya-02 : 129.65
proe-04 : 35.21
sw-01 : 76.27
tcvis-01 : 25.21
ugnx-01 : 22.42

so basicly the results were ok, but since the overclocking does only give between 5 - ~18% more performance i think it´s not necessary to overclock the card for more opengl performance.

the 200-300 % more performance due to the drivermod give already quite enough performance for working with a proffessional app.

 

@ honza

that looks more or less like a software problem. could be due to a driver.

wanna test the driver i modded for xp64 ?

 

sure, I would love to .

 

ok. just to make sure there is no problem at all with the software you need to do some simple steps...

1. uninstall all ati related software on your system
2. get drivercleaner pro , and clean up everything that is related to ati, ccc,....
3. restart.
4. install the driver. you can use the typical ati installler for the driver and CCC.(it is not modded with the mobility modder, and does not have to be)
5. you need to check some values in the registry. look at the attached picture. before you first start the catalyst control panel, make sure you have the blue highlighted registry keys changed like it is shown in my picture.
6. start the catalyst controlpanel, check if everything is ok and then try overclocking, check if you have the latest build of amdgpuclocktool

will send you the link via pm.

 

I was overclocikng in Vista and XP, both 32 bit. What driver were you using when it was crashing? What was the BIOS version you had on it?

 

How do I check which BIOS version I have? When I go into the BIOS, the only version number I see is 1.27.

 

One of the first options in BIOS menu. I dont really remember now. Or in ProtectTool go to Bios configuration/File and you should see it there.

 

Thanks. I have version F.0F.

 

Well yes had. It used to be F.0F and now it's F.11F. I was using official ATi drivers v8.4 modded with mod tool (=> mobility) and also tried original HP's I guess 8.39... something. Both had the same problem I wasn't able to do any overclocking at all and even touching clocks had been an instant BSOD.

 

one more thing, if I set let's set say 550/650 and then I click set clock it lowers a little (like to 540/638 or so..) does it to you the same?

 

all right I'm gonna post some results with overclocking...

I always use these settings:
HL2/CSS stress test:

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1680x1050 all high, 8xMSAA, 4xAniso

3DMark2006 v1.1.0

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default settings - 1280x1024

score is always like this:

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total score [SM2.0/HDR(SM3.0)/CPU score]

and the results:

stock performance (core:500MHz, mem:600MHz):
HL2/CSS stress test:

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38,31FPS

3DMark2006 v1.1.0:

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3293 [1149/1340/1960]

overclocked 600/700:
HL2/CSS stress test:

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44,1FPS

3DMark2006 v1.1.0:

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3932 [1343/1632/2332]

23:25 7th May 2008:
overclocked 660/780:
HL2/CSS stress test:

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50,1FPS

3DMark2006 v1.1.0:

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4277 [1473/1795/2334]

14:30 8th May 2008:
overclocked 660/790:
HL2/CSS stress test:

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49,4

3DMark2006 v1.1.0:

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4290[sorry I closed windows :(]

(I've run this test 50times so it seems stable so far...)

more benchmarks - Doom 3 (v1.3) - OpenGL app:

as the doom3 loads a lot from hdd I run all tests 3 times [1st run/2nd run/3rd run] to make sure that the results are fine I always used timedemo1 (build-in from iD software)

I used only modified driver from schoko if anyone has HP's drivers or original from ATi please add your results

stock perf. 500/600:
LOW settings:

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[109,7 / 142,7 / 141,8]

ULTRA settings:

Code:

[66,9 / 82,5 / 82,5]

overclocked 660/790:

LOW settings:

Code:

[131,7 / 143,9 / 143,2]

ULTRA settings:

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[87,1 / 104,2 / 104,2]

it's obvious that overclocking while in low settings does not help much because it's more dependent on CPU power

Drivers are always @ max perf.

as it's overclocked at 660/790 it's already faster than Radeon 2600 XT which runs at 700/750 see results here:

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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

hope it's not against forum rules to link elsewhere if so please notice me or remove the link, thank you...

(I'm gonna edit this post in future...)

 

well honza, i guess the limit of our cards is probably the voltage limit. physically these cards are supposed to run at speeds as high as the 2600xt. but for some reason, namely the voltage limit these cards mostly top out, when the core is set above 640 mhz.

try that. the ram can go up to more than 780mhz, but above 700mhz it does not make a lot of sense, since the GPU becomes to "slow" for the ram. there is not much benefit in performance in doing so.

 

well you're probably right, however as far as I remember for nvidia cards there was a tool called rivatuner which allowed a lot, even unlocking pipelines (I remember that I made from my desktop GF6800 => GF6800GTS very easily ) is any tool like this for ATi cards? And is it reversible if anything goes wrong?

 

rivatuner also works for aticards, but i have to disappoint you in this matter you can not add any more features, than you have now. there are no locked pipelines or shader units that are not used, nothing.... to unlock.

the "only" upgrade that is possible is to convince your card to use the pro opengl icd.

 

I didnt get time to do it, as I was happy what oc I had, but I guess, if you don't go up so high with mem, the extra powet should be avaiable to the core.
And in current cards, the core is more importnant and deliveres more performance. Anyway, it must be the 'mobile' power consumption of the card, thus the mobo is designed to give it less power... Just a speculation

 

well I'm interested what does it exactly do? Does it affect performance? how much? only in opengl? or generally (opengl+directx)?

btw. check the post above already @ 660/780 and still good

 

wow.

hmm. can it be that your penryn processor does not need that much power as my t7700 ? sure i know that the new penryns do save some power compared to my old cpu. or is there a new ati bios for the graphics card included in the new bios ? does it allow higher clocks now ?

well, keep on testing... i´m curious how high you can go with your card.

about the modification i spoke of, well you are already using a patched driver. basicly with this driver your card became a professional firegl graphics card. The OpenGL Performance actually has gone "through the roof" compared to the hd 2600 mobility.

check the name of your graphics card. i made the driver install Firegl v 5600 features. haven´t you noticed yet ?

 

well I did however I thought there there is "some extra hack" to that driver which /may/ cause something or so... anyway from my subjective point of view the GPU works much better I mean the avg FPS are about the same (wichout overclocking) but I meaned, that before I had like 20FPS and then 80FPS so on average it was 50FPS however it's very inconvinient now it's more like 40 - 60 FPS and on average of 50FPS, I think you see my point - it does not floats that much...

 

I'm gonna let do 3Dmarks all over the night to make sure it's stable however it seems that 660core/790mem is the top at this voltage... (as schoko said)

 

Great scores IMO, regardless of whether you can take it any higher or not

 

Seems like you have a killer machine up there Makes me test my gfx again... I will do it after applying AS5 on CPU and core, but anyway, just getting rid of some paste and making it thiner along the core dropped my temps by 12C from ~70 to 58C!!! [based on running FEA with COSMOS under Max Performance profile with RMClock under Vista 32 bit].
I can hardly hear my notebook now Oh yeah

 

well, that might be a side effect of a "working" driver for you.

actually the direct x part of this driver does not differ from the original cat 8.4. i´ve taken a look into the cat 8.4, and did notice only some minor changes between that and the latest 8.453.1 firegl driver. so not much changes there.

what you should test is the actual opengl performance with your card. typically to bench professional opengl capabilities a special program is used, the specviewperf ( version 10) from http://www.spec.org .

typically the results for a mobility hd 2600 look like this :

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[B]specviewperf10 -x32 - default clocks - driver ?  must have been cat 7.12, i guess[/B]
Viewset 	Composite
3dsmax-04 	15.05
catia-02 	11.56
ensight-03 	12.06
maya-02 	27.06
proe-04 	9.09
sw-01 		21.18
tcvis-01 	5.33
ugnx-01 	3.83
these results are from destiny on win xp32 some month ago.

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[B]specviewperf10 -x32 - default clocks - my modded driver 8.453.1[/B]

3dsmax-04 : 34.96
catia-02 : 34.22
ensight-03 : 23.91
maya-02 : 108.95
proe-04 : 34.05
sw-01 : 70.82
tcvis-01 : 21.30
ugnx-01 : 18.17
test was run in winxp 64

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[B]specviewperf10 -x32- 634mhz/680mhz - my modded driver 8.453.1[/B]

3dsmax-04 : 37.28
catia-02 : 35.78
ensight-03 : 26.64
maya-02 : 129.65
proe-04 : 35.21
sw-01 : 76.27
tcvis-01 : 25.21
ugnx-01 : 22.42
test was run in winxp 64

your notebook actually has turned into a hp 8510w the moment you have installed the driver. if you do not use opengl you won´t have any problems with the drivers.
if you like the performance and want to stay with these drivers, you should know that ati releases these workstation drivers about all 4-5 month. so no monthly upgrade for directx, updates for new games... but after all ati tries to produce a stable and good performing driver with these firegldrivers.

 

Doom 3 results added - it's OpenGL application, and specviewperf10 is on its way to my hdd .

 

weird thing - as I'm using these "hacked" drivers 1280x800 disappeared. Is it possible to somehow add this resolution as I had it with non-hacked drivers? Now I've these options: 1280x720 or 1280x768 unfortunately neither if it is 16:10 as I need for my native 1680x1050 which equals 16:10. Thank you.

 

You know how you are suppose to run 3Dmarks? 1280x1024!