HP 8510p available!

Lucky You Ackeron, I know You love Your new machine, but can You give as some benchmarks?? Especially Everest please

 

Ahh, I remember the days of being a reseller. I even used to work at Merisel...if you've been in the biz long enough you will remember them. I am at a manufacturer now...gotta see if one of my resellers can swing something for me. That is a great deal.

 

Damn that's nice Jerm!

Destiny--I'm currently at work...all freakin' day. So I don't think I'll be doing much tonight other than crossing the border to pick it up :\

 

Yeah, I remember Merisel. Actually our old Pinacor rep is an outside sales rep for us now.

I know that we are allowed to sell of our demo's after 6 months to refresh with new ones (that was my nc8430 post in the for sale section).

 

Any expectation of being able to fully configure the 8710p in the near future? I have no need for a blueray drive and would rather put the dollars else where like a 120 7200rpm HD and a better processor etc.
The 8710w can be configured but it is a little above my price point.

 

Ackeron, when U will get a minute, can You also let me know what sort of screen did U get? Is it glossy? or matte?? Did You buy the one with Vista for ~1400$??

 

i don't why it's the way it is right now, but you can configure a 8510p or 8710w. and you cannot configure the 8710p or the 8510w. personally, i want to customize the 8510w to get the 2.4GHz

 

shop around. Ive seen them on the net with that speed. u dont need to buy directly from hp.

 

I'm still at work, but it's matte. The entire HP business line is. I did indeed buy the Vista one, but only for future use when they fix some issues with Vista I just can't stand atm. Reverting to XPP as soon as I get it.

 

From what Ive read on HP website and on some websited where U can actually buy it there are glossy ones. Well, anyway let me know how is the matte screen. Where did U buy yours again??

Ps. Youre working long hours mate!

 

sure, but for a LOT more money than it's worth. eg $1000 more than the maxed out 8510W build at hp.com... yet they don't even included the BD drive. unless i'm missing the good deal somewhere else?

 

I got mine from shopblt.com

I'm playing with it right now. Vista setup has taken about 30m so far, no end in sight. UGH!

Let's see...horizontal viewing angles are insanely good. Vertical mm very decent. Top seems better than bottom.

Screen is solid, none of that part separation stuff Greg talked about. Bright so far, evenly lit. I kind of see a small dark patch in each bottom corner as if the backlight doesn't reach there, but it must be a quarter of an inch in diameter, so when sitting directly in front you barely notice.

More flex around the body overall than I would have expected, but I gotta say I'm not sure how much pressure to apply to determine what kind of flex is what. Greg or Andrew or anyone else want to comment? I can push down pretty much anywhere and get some give, but to do so I have to push pretty hard.

The only place I notice flex while pushing kind of light/moderate is around the CD drive.

So far the loudest part is the HDD. Fan is noticeable when it kicks to high gear but I'm in a dead quiet house with nothing else but the HDD going. Any ambient noise would drown it out. Hmm...I love the look so far.

Oh yeah, is the rubber trackpad's angle supposed to move with my finger or stay in one place? I can change its angle based on where I'm moving the cursor. Not sure if this is intended!

Heat wise, it's probably half as hot as my old laptop. HDD is going full bore installing stuff and so far only mildly hot. I'm sure once I get into prolonged running at high resource usage it'll heat up. We'll see...

Ok I'm done this and now HP is installing recovery junk. So glad we get CDs so I can wipe the HDD asap. I should have put my 2nd gig of RAM in first...Oh well.

Going to end this rambling now...I took pictures but exhausted atm, will upload later

Total setup time was 70 minutes. CRAZY

 

will you be running pcmark or 3dmark?

 

Not tonight I'm thinking of grabbing Everest real quick to see the GPU RAM type though.

I'm just installing the 2nd gb of ram. MAN Vista is slow with only 1gb.

Also those dark blotches in the corner of the screen are gone. She's gorgeous now.

I'm pretty sure its GDDR3 though. WEI lists gaming/GPU at 5.9 and 5.1 just like that guy from HK posted.

So light too!

Everest says GDDR3, clocked at 500/450. thank you and good night~

 

We've got a winner
THANK YOU Ackeron!!

Looks like your mem clocks are downgraded a bit. Is HDD 5400?? What score Vista gave it??

 

Has anyone gotten 3Dmark06 to run with the ATI Radeon Mobility HD 2600? I've got DirectX 9.0c installed, but still no luck. I'd rather not screw with the video drivers just yet -- just so I can get a reading on the base config.

 

HDD is a Hitachi 160gb, 5400 rpm. Vista gave it a 4.9. CPU is also 4.9, and RAM 4.8.

Holy crap it loads Vista slow though. HP only installed their own apps and some AV stuff, but there's 77 things running. Insanity. I can't wait to revert to XP when I get home tonight

 

We cant wait to get some 3D marks from You and if You dont mind run them on both Vista and XP please. I cant decide between 8510p + Seagate Momentus 7200.2 160GB + 1GB Ram or 8510w

 

Oops. Vista's already dead, sorry.

I'm also writing a 5000 word term paper due in a week, so uh...I'll try and multi task it

 

I´m about to order these specs:
- T7700 2.4GHz
- 4GB RAM
- HD2600 256 GDDRIII (512 Hypermemory)
- 120GB 7200RPM
- Blu-Ray Drive
- 15.4'' WSXGA+ WVA, anti-glare
- Others: Centrino Pro, Fingerprint reader, Wireless-N, 4-Years warranty, 2ndary Large-Capacity Battery

Do you guys have any comments on whether I should use Vista Business 32bit or 64 bit? I would think 64bits is better, but I heard there may be some issues at this time...

 

Well HP will probally give you both. My HP that came from newegg had both 32bit and 64bit cds, but I am putting XP Pro on it atm.

 

Hmm.. On the customization page, they ask whether to choose 32 or 64bit. I´ve also noticed that several users (maybe, mostly "business" users) are installing XP-Pro instead of Vista. Is Vista that bad (at least for now)???

 

If I were You I would get Vista Ultimate or Home Premium. Are there really things You would use from Business ver??

 

Yes, I'd rather get the Ultimate, but I don't have that option from HP. It's something I would have to upgrade any time later... I got some feedback from a computer tech saying that I may have some problems with heating if I include high-end features like processor 2,4GHz and HDD at 7200RPM. Do you guys have any comments on whether an external laptop cooler would be really necessary (I noticed that Greg recommended one for the 8510w)?

 

Depends on your climate and usage. If you're going to be gaming and doing GPU/CPU intensive stuff and you live in say, California or Florida, then it would probably be a good idea.

In my case, I do some light gaming and business/school work. But where I live it rains 9 months of the year, snows 1, and if we're lucky we see the sun sometimes

 

I don't think you will. The cooling system works very well considering there is only 1 fan, but I just got my 8510w and I live in California. I have a 7200 RPM drive and a T7300. Right now my computer is warm, but nothing as bad as a Macbook Pro type problem. Also my room temp is about 93-95F which is way above what most people test. Using ATI tools tester, my gpu peaked at 67C only which is fantastic considering how hot my room is. My fan hardly spins while idle even in this heat. The HD idles at about 44-45C and loads in the high 40's, and at most low 50's which is high but still well within spec. But imo wait for the the new 2.8GHZ 6meg chip thats coming in November with the same TPW of 35 watts like the T7700.

 

Just did a battery test on my 8510p. Browsing + typing, installing minor apps, bit of music...basically simulating a work/school day.

76% after an hour, 51% after 2 hours. So around 4 hours probably. Brightness was 60%, wifi and bt on.

 

I assume this is XP correct?

 

Sorry if this has been addressed in this thread already, but will the 570m perform better than the HD 2600 for gaming?

Thanks!

 

Actually I had to revert back to Vista...It's a long story

(Well, not really. Installed XP SP2 first w/o specific drivers for my HDD, then had to re-do the entire thing with the right SATA drivers, then found there's only one GPU driver available atm and nothing newer, because the GPU is so new...so I said meh I'll try Vista for awhile until they can mod the Catalyst drivers for XP)

The 570m is better, but we're not sure by how much.

 

Thanks Ackeron, like many of you, I am in the too up between this and the T61p, especially since the price of the T61p is considerably less at the moment...

 

But Leonovo doesnt give You 3 years of global warranty

Ackeron, is the 2600 really on DDR3?? what core/mem frequency do You have on it??

 

Yeah, you are right: (T61P with 570m is 6459)
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/warrantyLookup.do?type=6459&iws=on&sitestyle=lenovo

That is really dissapointing, only a few countries are listed and none of them are in Europe.

I am also considering the 8510p, but does HP business have a great global warranty (buying in US, will use in Europe)? If not, do you know of any company that is well known for global warranties?

 

Here in europe (or at least in Austria/Germany/Switzerland) the Lenovo's actually come all (except some special deals) with a 3 year international warranty. However they are also a lot more pricier then in the US

The HP warranty afaik isnt entirely global either. From what i read some days ago if you move to another country then the warranty reverts to warranty of that product in that country ...

found it again:

from here

 

You are right. I checked up on Lenovo Denmark (one model of t61p: 6460) which is covered basically everywhere in Europe and the US, but the two US models (8891 for 14" and 6459 for 15") are not covered in Europe. That is cheap. I would have to buy the notebook in Europe to get European coverage, but I would rather have the US price. The US 15" model starts at $1158.00 compared with $2567.64 (14040.00 DKK) from Lenovo Denmark. One price is reasonable, the other is not so much.

 

Well, for me it works out fine as in UK they will start selling 8510p soon and I belive I should be able to receive the same sort of warranty. Anything is good until I would have to ship it back to US.

 

To the guys who have the 8510p is your DVD+RW slow? Mine is dead slient when ripping a dvd through DVD Shrink. I remember my old NEC on my Dell XPS 1710 was very loud, but much faster. It almost seems like my DVD+RW is in slient mode vs normal mode.

 

Hi,

Does the 8510p Vista Business best buy model have the Intel Turbo memory?

How good would you rate the speakers of this machine compared to say the Harmon Kardons or Altec Lansings we see in some consumer laptops?

Is there any easy way (read cost effective ) to also get the wifi abgn configuration instead of wifi abg?

Thanking you in advance

 

64bit Vista has driver issues just like 64bit XP. Some people will be fine, while others might not...it largely depends on hardware. But I'd recommend 32bit to play it safe.

Tip: Drop the T7700 down to a T7300 (the performance boost is not worth the price premium), and get the minimum amount of RAM as HP overcharges for it (and also visit the RAM deals thread to get better deals for about $210). Drop BR unless you know you need it (overpriced right now IMHO and I think you could upgrade for cheaper in the future...say a year or so from now). Other than that, your configuration looks good.

If you want an extra 8-cell battery, I might be posting one for sale online in my "Greg's Stuff for Sale" thread this weekend. Let me think about it tomorrow.

 

Hmm...Doesn't seem to be. I'm currently installing a bunch of games via CD, and they seem to go just as fast as in my old laptop/desktop, if not faster. The CD drive is very quiet compared to my old computer also. Music playing completely drowns it out.

If you want to know about ripping...I'll maybe do something later if I have time

 

This is not quite a fair comparison. XP Pro 64-bit is horrible, I mean really god awful in it's driver support. 64-bit Vista has the same sort of driver issues that 32-bit Vista did a few months ago. but it's nowhere near as bad as 64-bit XP is. If you're a fairly competent computer user, and are comfortable hunting around for drivers to get some stuff to work, then you'll be fine with 64-bit Vista. However, I agree that unless you have a specific need for 64-bit support or 4GB of RAM, it's probably safer to stick to 32-bit Vista for now.

 

My department will be paying for the notebook. I guess this makes your suggestions invalid But thanks for the tip, anyway

 

There is a nice article discussing the performance of the Radeon 2600. Bottom line, it seems to be a better forward looking card then the 8600GT but does not do as well with older and some current games. Unfortunately the article does not address dx10, otherwise it covers most questions.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/radeon_hd_2600_performance_preview/default.asp
A quote from the article follows below:
"Another interesting, yet untapped feature present inside the Radeon HD 2600 series is AMD’s tessellation unit. This is the same unit found in the Radeon HD 2900 XT and Xbox 360. The idea here is that game developers can use the tessellation unit to create highly detailed scenes/game characters with much fewer triangles than would otherwise be necessary. This in turn frees up memory bandwidth, resulting in improved performance.
Looking over the specs, you can see that the key design principles found in the Radeon HD 2900 XT carry over into the 2600 line. In other words, the GPU is a very forward-looking design that’s heavy on stream processors (120 in the case of the Radeon cards, versus just 32 in the GeForce 8600s), but light on more traditional aspects of the rendering pipeline like texturing and ROPs"
Another cool site that rates the card highly is:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-2600.3771.0.html
I think this concludes my due diligence on the 8510p, I plan to buy Tuesday.

 

I think the first link is for the desktop version Supposedly the mobile chips are better but not enough info yet.

I'm actually trying to get 3dmark06 to work right now...keeps blanking my screen and I have to reboot :\

The temps are very good on this comp btw. I've been installing junk/apps/games all day and doing random high end stuff...HDD and the cores have all stayed in the low 40s.

 

As mentioned that article is for the desktop HD 2600, and is therefore not relevant to the Mobility HD2600. And notebookcheck is notoriously unreliable.

Also, as for the stream processors, the HD2600 probably in reality does not have any more than the 8600M-GT, however, ATI counts their processors differently, they include lower level processing units and such, giving them a seemingly higher processor count.

 

Does the 8510p HDMI connection have audio output?

 

Like extra audio output? I don't think so since HDMI does video and audio.

 

i think u answered his question with that last one

however, u might want to check with the manufacturer just to make sure it outputs video and audio, as in the past some only output video.

 

hmm kinda surprised that no one has posted a review of the 8510p yet.

 

Well the only real difference between the 8510w and p is the graphics card and it seems people are having problems getting benchmark programs to work. So there's nothing new to really post. Once some benchmark programs are able to run, I think we might just see those and that's about it.