HP 8730w info wanted

So I was going to get the 8710w but since I heard some concrete info about this actually in existence, Im going to wait it out.
It is called the 8730w right?

Anyway, any info anyone has on this would be fantastic. Im eager though I know I have to wait till at LEAST September and maybe longer.

I am hoping it will be as compact as the 8710w was/is - at least for a 17"

 

Take a look at this Post, maybe there are some new infos for you:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=274515

I'm waiting too

 

I think this will be the right laptop for me, but I think that I will get the p, as it will be cheaper. Hopefully I'll get a chance to buy one until October.

 

cmon HP, throw us a bone............Build some hype.............

You announced info for every other laptop your making.

 

I just got my HP 8710w, so I guess I won't buy a new one for the next 4-5 years.
Anyhow, the price of the HP 8730w will be expensive I'm sure.

 

Yes it will be, and likely not be out on the sooner of speculation. Nothing wrong with buying the 8710w now as you get a good deal on a great machine. 8730 may not be as solid of a machine for all we know. Im still torn but think Im going to wait. But good for you on your great machine!!!

 

If you are concerned about size, and if you are brave enough, you may also consider to have a look to the new version of the Alienware m15x which now supports the FX 3600M (which I suppose it is one of the main points for you choosing the HP 8710w) and it is a 15.4".

But considering the previous results with the 8800M GTX, it may have serious overheating issues.

 

ha ha you have no idea what Ive been through with Alienware in the past year. And I want a 17" anyway and the m17 is NOT nearly as small as the 8710.

I bought the AW m9750. Great thin 17" computer - but I had to go through over 6 months and 3 different builds only to keep having the same problem shipped out to me with each new computer. I gave up. I couldnt believe a company would ship me 3 different computers with the same problems. I now have 4G of RAM and a hard drive Im not using and a backpack I had bought that I couldnt take back after 6 months. It just wansnt meant to be with the 9750 and me. I waited to see the m17x but it took them forever to put it out and then meanwhile the m15 had ALL sorts of problems. Then it turns out the m17x is a beast in size and I just couldnt trust the company anymore. They lost me as a high paying customer. More than their faulty machines, I couldnt stand the slow pace of sorting through the problems and other ways they handle things. The AW guy that shows up on this noticeboard took my info in a PM to help then never contacted me again and months later lied on this board about our interaction to everyone. I had thought I had been scammed when I never heard from him again after repeat PMs.
Im done with AW. They make good machines on paper - perhaps the best - but in reality, they are just too good to be true.

And here I am waiting for the new HP.

Main points?
Thin 17", QUALITY build (I carry around every day for work), I use software that is VERY taxing on video cards and processors, so I want a powerful machine.
The 8710 was presented to me as a very solid machine - moreso than the consumer models. Im hoping the 8730 will be the same.


My one question is how does this video card differ than the ones the gamers like - like the 8800GTX?

 

The common answer would be that the difference is in the drivers. In another thread I read that the 3600M should be equivalent to the 8800M GTS, and it should perform roughly equivalent with games with consumer drivers.

However, if it was just a software matter it would not justify the different power requirements. Some time ago I did some google search about this matter and found out that the GeForce version is manufactured from the same board of the Quadro, but Nvidia phisically modifies the consumer board and the result is a less performing GPU with the professional drivers. This is information collected from forum posts, not from official sources, so I don't know how reliable it is.

I also read somewhere that the 8730w will actually carry the FX 3700M, but again I cannot find any official information about that board yet.

 

Yep, that's a good option for "adventurous" people. Maybe you should try it out yourself and don't forget to report back the results.

As for the size, the m15x is rather big for 15.4", as I told you before, while the HP is rather small for 17". Basically, the HP is just an inch wider, and that's about it:

This picture below compares the m15x to the Insprion E1705 which has the same width as the HP.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/Kazuvia/m15x/IMG_0453.jpg

Even if the m15x didn't have any heat issues, the build quality issues remain, and contrary to the urban legend going around, the build quality can't be "fixed" with a BIOS upgrade.

Sorry for your troubles..., the M9750 is actually the only AW notebook that I like, I mean it's a relatively "thin and light", well built, SLI notebook, and most people don't seem to have problems with it. Now AW's support is another story.

Btw, there is a new version of Arima's chassis that AW used for M9750, but with Montevina and CrossFire HD 3870:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/laptopgamingdominator.asp

Now I don't recommend it or something, just mentioning, and I don't know anything about the company that sells it or the notebook itself anyway.

It's arguably the best built 17" notebook out there, we have it at work, and we had the previous versions as well, so yeah.

Now when Lenovo releases the W700, I may rethink the above statement, or may be not, we will see.

The Quadro FX series has hardware acceleration of some OpenGL features, which is disabled on Geforce cards, hence the significant difference in viewport performance in OpenGL applications. Basically, Nvidia made some hardware "modifications" on GeForce cards to make sure that you won't get all Quardo functionality by simple soft-modding as it was possible before. Google around, you can find more information in the 3D forums.

Yes, it's the 8800M GTS, and yes, you can install gerforce drivers if needed and will perform similarly. Performance with stock drivers is usually just slightly worse like 10% or so in 3DMark.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=80145

Afaik, there will be two high-end Quadro cards - FX 2700M (G94M) and FX 3700M (G92M), so there aren't much of options anyway, and the 8730w will probably get the best one.

 

Eh ... not adventurous enough for that. Actually I even considered it for a moment, but besides the heat/build issues (I found mixed opinions on this forum) the m15x has wuxga resolution and it is a bit too much for me, while I think the 1440x900 option is a bit of a shame for this kind of machine.

In the end I'm waiting as well to see what Clevo is going to do with the Quadro, and for the new 8730w. Even if it is not going to be a major break over the 8710w, when it will be out the price of the old model will hopefully decrease.

I hope HP is going to keep the same size of the 8710w, it is indeed small for a 17". Have you ever carried it around? I wonder how does it feel when you work on it on a plane or a train.

 

Some Czech speaking People should take a look at this:

http://www.techsupport.cz/clanok/172/hp-elitebook-8530w-8530p-a-8730w/article.html

If im right they claim about an 2 MP Webcam, eSata, Upgrade Bay and LED Display for the 8530w - I don't speek czech so i could be wrong

 

I did mention all these quite a while ago. Anyway, it will essentially feature everything you are seeing with the 6930p now. Not a very big upgrade unless you're crazy over the aluminium finishing.

 

Priaznivci high, while the performance of its mobile dočkajú - Hewlett Packard in September uvedie new workstationové models notebookov. Tie will be niesť označenie Elitebook and will be available in 15.4 "and 17" prevedení.

15.4 's Elitebook Business 8530th and 8530th Mobile Workstation by mali have aluminum chassis (similar as the 6930th) and the possibility RAID 0 / 1 in the Upgrade bay. Samozrejmosťou the HDMI port and place the nájde also eSATA 2Mpix webcam and voliteľná Blu - ray burner.

LED podsvietenie displeja zatiaľ is not zatiaľ vyvrátené, we will find similar him, but only in the least "p" and will vôbec. Workstationová 8530th will have tradične interfere with actual dual-link DVI outputs, HP Performance Tuning Framework (very helpful utility) and certifikáciu ISV for graphic programs, along with support OpenGL. Výrobcom graphic cards by mala even nVidia.

In the 17 "modeloch prišlo savings - 17" p-čko zmizne and ostane only workstationová 8730th. Tá its will from the 8530th líšiť väčšími rozmermi, numerical klávesnicou and probably also výkonnejšou video card.

What is, however, nepoteší increased náročnosť to elektrickú energiu - for the full exercise of graphic jadra will need docking station with at least 150-180th adaptérom and prepínateľnej grafike not even a word. Skoda, tešil that is the notebook, which lasts much rovnako as well as provide power in case of need ...

Dostupnosť zatiaľ nebola ohlásená, zákulisné information hovoria the September / októbri 2008.

Even Google can't translate it all.

 

thank you for all that information you gave!!!

 

Ive realised if you look at this page,
http://www.hp.com/sbso/solutions/pc_expertise/professional_innovations/differences-w.html
Also look at the footnotes (8730w is mentioned there) and you can get an idea for some of the possible features coming up.

 

I'm interested in what cooling solution HP will use. High end Nvidia cards tend to draw a lot of power, 70W for 3600FX for example . So the question is if they are going for a twin fan solution this time.

 

Isn't g92 (which fx3700m probably will be based on) less power consuming?


Edit:
Well I just read the specs for 9800m gtx and 9800m gt. 75 Watt and 65 Watt TDP. Damn these are high values. Regarding the 35 Watt of 8800m gts and doubling it to 70 Watt in fx 3600m I really hope the fx 3700m won't take 130 Watt.

 

The difference between a quadro and a geo is simple: the quadro renders textures on the card while the geo offloads to the cpu. There is no switch to turn this feature on, it is built into the card. People become confused because they framebuffer the same, plus it takes specific coding (normally only found in workstation programs like CAD) to take advantage of that feature. This is the synopsis from someone I know who sells workstation computers for a living. He also happened to have a demo 8730w and I SAW the screen read Quadro Fx 3700m. It will also carry up to a mobile quad core and 8GB DDR3 RAM; both those may further increase, but not by the launch which is at earliest late September... that's what I know, and I am unable to get further info from that source.

 

And it will be shipped with a tiny nuclear power plant as well.

 

About the difference between the gaming and professional boards, this is an article I found useful, from Nvidia website :

http://www.nvidia.com/content/built...raphics_needs_for_AutoCAD_by_Alex_Herrera.pdf

It is focused an AutoCAD but you may want to have a look anyway.

 

The Docking Station has a 150W Supply so i don't think/hope the GPU will drain 130W^^

http://softlink.softsource.co.nz/cart.php?target=product&product_id=156780&category_id=28183

The Advanced Docking should had 180W

http://softlink.softsource.co.nz/cart.php?target=product&product_id=156782&category_id=28183

 

It's really funny that you can buy accessory for 8530w and 8730w though they haven't officially been announced yet.


-- 'Me' also waiting for HP 8730w --

 

Hi, I'm the author of that article + I've been to Berlin at the HP event.

So, let's clarify it:
LED display is not sure for now, but if there's gonna be any, it will be in 8530p only. HDMI, eSATA, RAID 0/1 (with the drive in Upgradebay) should be there by default, Blu-ray will be still optional.

There won't be any 8730p, only 8730w. As mentioned earlier, Quadro 2700M and 3700M will be available.

"w" series laptops will be shipped probably with 120W power supply (maybe 90W for 8530w), but 150W or 180W docking station SKU will be required for full performance of the graphic card in 8530w/8730w.

 

Wait, is there no ATI option (for the 8530{p,w} laptop)?
I'm dead set against getting NVIDIA, since I'm quite sick and tired of all the issues I've had with their drivers, both in Windows and Linux -- and now ATI has open-source specs.

Grrr, I wish HP would officially announce the laptops, and give an ETA.

 

yeah, what gives? They announced so many laptops, some of which arent out yet, and this one will be out fall (which is not far away) so why not any word?

 

Don't expect to purchase the new models any time before October though.

 

Hmmm, why doesn't hp equip the 8730w at least with a 135W power supply as they do with 8710w?

That makes me calculate that the 3700m has 85W TDP at full performance (regarding 70W TDP of 3600m with 135W power supply).

 

Oh honestly I will be surprised if they are ready to order by October. Im waiting it out none the less. Im just still susprised that theres no word of it even though there was that whole big announcement thing. Why not build hype?

 

Looks like the 8730w won't get an HP Night Light:

http://www.hp.com/sbso/solutions/pc_expertise/professional_innovations/ease-of-use/save-time.html

I would prefer a backlit Keyboard anyway^^

 

AFAIK, 8710w has 120W supply, too. However, it can be changed anytime (they made quite a lot changes between June and now in dv5 series). But one is for sure - 8x30w series laptops will consume more power than 8x10w series.

ETA: September - November. This year I'd say they will be released later => expect November as ETA.

 

I'd really like the p, hopefully I'll get one by the end of September.

 

8730p? There won' be any 17" p-series, only 8730w.
"p" series will be available in 15,4" FF > 8530w.

 

If you look at the customize section at hp-shop you can see:

135W ac adapter ** ONLY used with RQ326AV -NVIDIA Quadro FX 3600M graphics controller

 

What about the ATI question? Nobody has answered that.
EDIT: Note that my question is about the 15" model, not the 17" model.
Edit again: Never mind, I found out for myself. It has a Mobility FireGL (now FirePro?) V5700 -- sweetness.

 

I would prefer a backlit keyboard as well. I am bummed though. I cant for the life of me figure out why more laptops arent coming with backlit keyboards by now. It should be standard as far as Im concerned. Apple does it on high end laptops. Why is this not catching on with PCs.
But for me, any light would be good. I am always typing in a dark room (work) and its a pain for me to try to focus on the keys.

I would pay premium for this to be an option but only few laptops offer it. and the ones that do- I really dont want.

 

hm...you need to look at the keyboard when typing???
Oh well, thinkpad has a thinklight, which is pretty bright a dark room and bright enough for you to see the whole keyboard.

 

I've found a little bit more info about the 15" 8530p/w, as well as the coming 2730p:
translated (surprisingly well): http://translate.google.com/transla...irefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&sa=N
original: http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/chois4u/450.html?p=1&t=2



... this is another similar page:
translated: http://translate.google.com/transla...irefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&sa=N
original: http://railless.com/archive/20080720

(Curse Google for making those URLs unnecessarily complicated, by including language and OS...)

 

aaaand..... [specs are] out! Official announcement has happened! Bummer the laptops won't be available until Septermber.
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=31049
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2327557,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121

Edit: 8730w has quad-core, too! ...
Edit again: 8730w also has the following display options:
WSXGA+ WVA (1680 x 1050),
WUXGA WVA (1920 x 1200),
WUXGA RGB LED WVA (1920 x 1200) (LED panel is DreamColor Panel available only with NVIDIA graphics)

 

You can see the specs sheets and everything on the HP site:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2008/siggraph/mobileworkstations.html

 

HP has again redefined the ultimate mobile workstation. The Elitebook range will enable HP to push its highest end corporate notebooks above and beyond what Lenovo has done with its Thinkpad range.

 

Easy now, it's too early to start the religious wars all over again, and fanaticism is definitely not needed at this point.

 

Well, I'd use the words "sheer awesomeness" to describe some of these.
My only question: The 8530 p has a Radeon HD3650, but the 8530 w has FireGL V5700, which is supposed to be the workstation version of the Radeon HD 4670. Isn't that a bit odd? Is that actually correct? I know on the 8510p/w they both used the same GPU board, so wouldn't they do that here, too?

Edit: also, has anybody seen any of the new brushed-metal business laptops? I want to know if the wrist-rest is as shiny (and thus glare-ey) as the new consumer laptops.

 

Well, Lenovo has never actually produced a truly capable workstation notebook (the T61p is too mainstream) in the past. The W700 may change that, but it's difficult to beat the extremely fine finishing of the HP models.

 

A 17" ThinkPad was probably unnecessary in the past, that's business they make something only when there is a demand for it.

The "finishing" of the notebooks has nothing to do with their workstation capabilities, and is probably not something that enterprise market cares about. There are many other far more important things that could be brought up before we end up talking about "cosmetic" problems...

Btw, there will be the Dell Precision M6400 as well. And all of them will probably have their pros and cons, so I wouldn't blindly judge any of these based on brand preferences. We will have enough time for discussions when the notebooks get released, and we actually have something more than sketchy pdfs...

 

Hmmm, cool, i like it. ;-) Hope that LED-thingy won't cost that much.

One aspect still confuses me. This chipset is part of centrino 2, right? So, why can't you "arm" the notebook with ddr3 ram?

 

Aside from the GPU, I don't see any significant improvement over the HP 8710w, and the new machine is gonna hella expensive
My next notebook may be a thinkpad again, but not until 5 years from now

 

Hmmm, if i look at the current starting prices for 8710w ($2229, t8300, fx1600m, 2gb ram, dvd-writer) the 8730w is much cheaper if it comes out with $1699.

@Han Bao Quan, i don't share your opinion. If the display is as good (and hopefully bright) as the specs say it's a big step forward.

 

The current HP 8710w also has really really good screen, the new ones maybe better, but I don't think it's that significant.

 

I don't own a 8710w, but I'll tell you if I have one (8730w) right in my hands. ;-)

Well, 8730w release is later this month. Do you guys think that means august 17th, when quads come out or maybe end of august, after nvision?