*HP ENVY 14 & ENVY 14 Beats (2XXX series) Owners Lounge*

So how much more battery life do you guys think SB Envy will have? Would it be possible for it exceed current Envy + slice if used on power saving graphics?

 

dunno.

maybe.

Yes if HP worked out the weird bugs with the original envy 14 (hellooooo perma-30 second+ boot time even with SSDs because it's checking something or another forever while windows boots among other things)

though it also depends on the battery that gets put into it.

 

90% it will not be close to the current Envy + slice, which is about 8 hours

 

I'm going to bet NO. From what little I know, SB increased CPU and integrated graphics performance without decreasing battery life. See Macbook Pro.

 

It was my understanding that the MBP didn't decrease in battery life with the Sandy Bridge upgrade. I believe they switched their battery measuring methods to a "more difficult" way. Thus, if you were to measure the last generation with the same method, it would be comparable to the current MBP. Here's a source I just found:
MacBook Pro Battery Life Appears Shorter, But More Realistic (Using Websites And Even Flash)

 

That is correct. Battery life is essentially the same.

To add to my previous post, lithium ion/polymer battery technology is reaching its limits. Numerous universities have been experimenting with new types of battery technology that could multiply the typical smartphone's battery life by many times. But no single company has turned that into a practical consumer form, sad to say.

So it would have been difficult for HP to bring the SB Envy 14's battery life significantly. HP can only do so much with lithium ion and Windows 7.

 

Im going to bet YES. Simply because the power saving features of a macOS are completely different from the ones presented in the windows world. IF that wasnt true, we couldnt feasibly expect the X220 to last 9 hours on charge, with the slice 16 hours.

The previous models lasted something around 4-5+ hours.

And this is something felt across all the pc line, the battery hours are lasting usually 2 hours more, or at least 1:30, running the igpu.

Hell even the m17x can now last 6 hours on a charge!

 

Read carefully. 2 hours doesn't bring it equal to Envy 14 Arrandale+slice. You're rebutting a different argument, not mine.

 

hello envy owners, I've been looking for a replacement to my M4400..
how's HP's support for the Envy model, your experiences in general? While the specs look nice and especially the design.. support is also very important (unhappy customer of Sony notebooks, satisfied customer of Dell Businessm odels).

 

I was wondering, does the refreshed Envy get a new model number or something? I want to make sure I get the new model in June.

 

Yes, the model number will change and that will show on the product's page on HP's website. If you buy it from another source, they will likely flaunt Sandy Bridge with "2nd Generation Core i5 or i7 Processor." No worries.

 

Alright, that's good. Its not possible to order directly from HP in my country (which is sad, cuz it removes the choices between e.g regular hdd or ssd). I guess I can always monitor the US site to look for the new model number.
I just hope the June 15 date is true for western europe too, my poor 6yr old laptop is about to die on me, so the wait is already long enough haha

 

Any news on the specs? Specifically the GPU?

 

nope
probably 6630M but not confirmed

 

I don't see any evidence that HPs imagepad has optical sensors. Its more likely Synaptics image sensing -- IS 1.5 or maybe IS 3, which use capacitive touch.

ClickPad | Synaptics

 

Guys any confirmation yet if it will have radiance screen or not? I am close to buying old envy with radiance, and the reason being it doesn't look like the new ones will have them.

 

HP Envy 14 Refreshed with Sandy Bridge and Better Trackpad
Not going to have Radiance.

HP Envy 14 Refreshed with Sandy Bridge and Better Trackpad

HP Unveils Laptops, Mobile Broadband Service -- InformationWeek

The above articles say "image sensing" which I believe we can take to mean optical.

 

I dunno guys, those articles just don't mean optical to me. Given HP's long relationship with Synaptics, and that company's own image sensing technology which is capacitive, not to mention new Image Sensing 3 and Image sensing 1.5 technologies supporting multi-finger gestures, I sticking with Synaptics IS. Optical would be silly, imho. Are you seeing any optical clickpad technologies out there?

 

HP Envy 14 laptop gets Sandy Bridge CPU refresh | T3 magazine

That clearly states optical. It might be by Synaptics, but branded HP. It's definitely optical though.

 

One thing I noticed is that the current Envy 14's do not have an HD Brightview Display listed on their overview page instead its just a regular Brightview display.

However on that link it says it will come with an HD Brightview display, so its possibly that they will release a 1080P display to help them compete with the 15z and MP Pro but the brightness and contrast that the radiance affords is definitely gone for good.

 

Doesn't the BV on the 17 have comparable brightness and contrast? In class today i was looking at this guys dv7 (2008-2009) screen and the brightness was just about that of my radiance at the lowest setting. I guess i never realized how awesome a very well lit screen really is.

For all those looking to get sb envy 14s you could always try and find a really cheap used envy with radiance and switch the screens. Sell the older envy now with a bv and take $200-300 loss as the charge you would pay for the radiance upgrade. Of course this is for those people that aren't on a serious budget which most of us are.

 

I think they're just saying that it's technically an HD display, since its vertical resolution is greater than 720 pixels. I think it's an HD "Brightview" Display rather than an "HD Brightview" Display, though it's worth dreaming...

 

Well, the above article clearly states optical, yes, but just because those words appear on T3's website doesn't make them true. That it might represent someone's opinion or even a hasty generalization is plainly evident - but there is just no real strength of evidence given.

But this is typical of any site that has to show command of industry trends and rumor in order to maintain click traffic and advertizing clients. HP comes out with a press release, and then all the blog and rumor sites go to work, feaverishly trying to make their site look cool and attractive. rumor feeds on rumor and all of a sudden something quite without evidence is considered fact. I suspect that is what's going on here. It reminds me of a Forbes article not that long ago plainly stating that HP was considering selling its PC business! Turned out the author's source was itself a rumor and the whole thing was false. goes to show you.

I prefer to go back to HP has actually said: "...a new HP imagepad that uses image sensor technology for advanced gesture support and more fluid control". here's the full press release

There is evidence of HP branding there, yes, even though the expression "HP imagepad" itself is not trademarked. But here I find no evidence of optical technology. To me, HP's language (specifically, the term "image sensor technology") associates well with Synaptics' Image Sensing technology, which is capacitive. It does not (to me) suggest a new technology paradigm without example or precident.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I'm just saying I don't see the strength of evidence, nor the motivation, or even any hints in the industry that anyone is bringing in optical technologies for this purpose, -- or am I missing something, here?

 

yes good observation -- HP typically uses the term, "Full HD" (FHD) for 1080 at least on the large screens. "HD+" is used for 1600x900

 

I agree that all we know for now is what the press release said about the Envy 14... for those of you who haven't read it yet:

...but I do hope "HD BrightView Infinity LED display" means its better than the old BV displays...

 

Well they sure do make it sound good.

 

Yes...!

 

prolly some non-tech savvy person wrote the article, and they associated "image sensing technology" with optical.

 

yea -- and outside of the click/touch pad context its an understandable generalization -- that images involve optics. but within the laptop click/touch pad context, this is a rather astonishing stretch, introducing a brand new concept that has never entered the mainstream touchpad world. I'm kind of surprised that the rumor made it this far, actually. people just read and repeat, I guess, without thinking. if you repeat something often enough, it gets treated as fact.

the thing about T3 and other sites though -- remember they get paid because people visit, not necessarily for telling the truth. Its fun to speculate, and I'm glad those sites are out thee, but to hold these guys up as a source of authority and say that the Envy 14 imagepad is optical -- well thats another story

 

I sure hope that, if a higher resolution screen is released, it is out on the day of launch. I'm either going to jump on the bandwagon if the specs are good enough, or go for the dm4x or another manufacturer's product.

 

..I noticed today that the current Envy 14s in my country is listed with "HP Brightview Infinity" while the press release said the refreshed Envy would have "HD Brightview Infinity". Hopefully HD means better.

 

I'd like to be wrong about this, but i suspect the press release contains a textual mistake, or (minimally) the reference doesn't mean anything significant.

On the product pages in hpshopping, HP seems to be fairly consistent in refering to "HP Brightview Infinity" panel, as an "HD" panel, which means 1366 x 768. This is also consistent with the TV industry, where HD means a minimum of 720 vertical pixels. So "HD Brightview..." is probably the same as "HP Brightview..." which meets the "HD" minimum, or 1366 x 768.

When HP refers to a 1600x900 panel, the term "HD+" (HD plus) is typically used

When HP refers to a 1920x1980 panel, the term "FHD" (full HD) is typically used

 

Well Hp is out of Radiance so the remaining Envy 14s that are selling are the non radiance screen which is Brightview.

As it has been mentioned, 720P is HD. I hope it does have 900P but make no mistake if they meant 900P/Radiance the marketing departments over HP would make sure it stated so.

 

True enough. and with or without radiance, I would expect 900p to be marketed as "HD Plus" (HD+)

 

Does this June 15 release mean that we can get the Envy 14 with the free xbox 360 deal?

 

Yes, assuming they're still in stock then. I've confirmed this by talking to two different HP support reps.

 

Does anyone here know how much longer we have to wait for the refreshed Envy in Europe (or can we expect mid-june)? The press release was on the US page, no?

 

I've seen US and Singapore websites both report June 15th for their respective releases. Guessing from that, it sounds like June 15th may be world wide. Perhaps you should contact HP.

 

I would if I could.. but HP does not really open for questions like this on the HP page in my country (I'm in Scandinavia). After purchase you get product support, sure, but for pre-purchase questions they refer to their product pages/info sheets, especially when it is home products like laptops And I found that the dv4 (released in the US May 18th?) is not on the webpages here yet, nor is it to be found on the online stores recommended by HP.. Maybe someone else in a different European country knows/can ask?

 

Anyone know when HP is going to be releasing the specs? Specifically for the GPU? After the HD display update for the dv6, it is looking much better than the Envy 14, especially with the 6770.

Also, how big of an upgrade is the 6630 from the 5650, I always thought it was a very small upgrade.

 

I'd like to know the same thing. I've been holding out for this for awhile now. The GPU and screen resolution is the only thing keeping me away from this laptop as of now..

 

Ya, I thought the dv6t only offered the 6750, but I just checked last night and it goes up to the 6770. It looks promising, if it had a looks of the envy...oooo man.

 

difference 5650M to 6630M is almost non existing.
But considering the envy 14 5650M was underclocked.
6630M should be 10% faster

6630M 480 shaders
5650M 400 shaders
but same memory bandwidth, GDDR3, TMUs, same TDP etc.

 

Sonly offers 1600x900, i5 and 6630 in a 13in laptop. I hope HP gives a better gpu in a 14.5in.

 

Are you sure it is GDDR3? As far as I know, there has been no mention of GDDR3, only DDR3. HP pulled that stuff with the Arrandale Envy14 (w/ the 5650), so don't place too many high hopes on GDDR3.

 

When the hell are they going to release specs. Its almost 2 weeks away.

 

the 6630m is DDR3.

and the performance improvement should be more than 10%, according to what I see in the sony S lounge its quite a 15-20%. It should be more since the 5650m in the envy is downclocked

 

How can it be more than 10%??? the base clock is even LOWER than the underclocked 5650M, it has 80 more shaders... that's it.
6630M => not going to buy

You only think it's faster because sandy bridge is used in the sony, that's why

 

maybe because I see the fps numbers to back it up, and the only thing that you see is the paper. as I said look at the S lounge

if the paper was always correct the 5650 would also be an improvement regarding the 4670m, which isnt

 

??? 5650 IS an improvement if you compare it to 4670M.
You can't compare graphic cards if they use a CPU that is 40% faster than the other..
Look for 6970M vs GTX485M, at the beginnning GTX485M was MUCH more faster because it was tested with sandy brigde, ATI with nehalem...
Now 6970M is also tested with sandy bridge, difference are almost non existing.

Same story with 6630M en 5650M