*HP ENVY 14 & ENVY 14 Beats (2XXX series) Owners Lounge*

well, actually if you knew, we wouldnt have this discussion at all, as I said.

So just a FYI:

The TDP is basically the heat that needs to be dissipated for the processor to work at full load. Sometimes its the same as the power consumption and most of the times it isnt. SB chips do use more power than the previous generations, however, it follows more closely the intel philosophy, of ''do it quick and go to sleep''

thats why I said to search about the c-states (power planes basically), and to search about turbo boost.

So I will say something about turbo boost:

basically, since intel improved the power gating features, which are basically to enter a lower power state that the processor thus it would need less battery (the processor downclocks itself, and/or shuts off, thus consuming less energy).

Now on SB, intel made a jump to almost zero current, which it was trying since they started the power gating thing. However, what does this means to a processor?

A processor is basically a resistor, the 0 and 1 in binary are that way because there is current passing and no current passing. So when a processor core is receiving energy its launching heat as waste, thus the TDP. However when you can shut down a core, and/or downclock it, you are giving it more thermal headroom.

With this thermal headroom intel saw the opportunity to get more things done in less time. It sounds confusing and downright contradictory, but just follow me on this.

So far we have a chip that can downclock, and shut down cores, more efficiently than any other chip out there, so we have a TDP, which is basically the heat that needs to be dissipated when on full load, due to the resistor nature and the laws of physics.

What is the big jump is that most programs are not multithreaded, thus the presence of more than 1 core is useless for most of the time, or that the process in the stack are less needed and thus can be put in the stack for it to be done latter (so a great degree of good coding in the part of whatever OS you use is necessary)

So following the idea that I said in the beginning, ''do it quick and go to sleep'', applies here, you have one thread, the thermal headroom, just overclock thyself! So what turbo boost does is to get the turbo bins (as intel call the thermal headroom created by the power gating and more efficient c-states) and apply to the cores as the demand is created

since you knew this, you entered the argument for what reason and purpose?

 

I'm not going to start another argument, my point was made very clearly.

Back to the topic. I sure hope the new envy lives up to it's name and hp gives us something to envy. hopefully the current envy's sales were enough to make hp want to stay at the top of the high end laptop game. In a few years it could be as well known as the MBP hopefully still in the same price range.

 

Just so you know, I read about two sentences, realized I probably knew the rest of what was in your post, and didn't read the rest of it. You wrote that for nothing. Let's drop the argument, we're obviously not going to convince each other and we're just wasting time.

 

Whatever it is, it will be an improvement over what they have now. And I was extremely close multiple times to buying the current version out of impatience. So yup, I will be buying no matter what.

I'm optimistic that tomorrow (the 6th) they'll release information, since it's the start of a new work week for them and we're so close to launch.

 

I plan on getting the beats edition as I love the stealth black look and think that the envy line is one of the best looking laptops yet but the GPU is the main factor for me if it is as most are saying on here the 6630m I will have to pass on this.

 

pitiful at best, that is what I gartered from what you said

 

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Does better screen than BV vs Brightview affect batttery life negatively?

 

"Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level, and then beat you with experience"

 

Hey guys,

Some interesting speculation indeed for the June 15th release!

Having started a new position which needs me to have a lappy, I've been considering buying a HP Envy 14ea and was inspired by HP's sudden price drop to £749 inc tax & free next day delivery. This suits my budget perfectly at the specs for the 14ea are great, however considering the upcoming sandy bridge release I'm unsure what to do.

$1799 SGD = £890, which is only marginally higher than the current £749 that's on sale here in the UK. However I highly doubt that it'll actually be priced the same, considering that before HP's price drop last week the 14ea was RRP for £900+.

The current price and specs fit my budget perfectly so I'm tempted to buy. What's your thoughts about the new model's RRP and actual UK release date?

 

wow UK charges so much more than the US

 

Well, yes but none of them have offered any evidence. All they can do is repeat a rumor until it is perceived as fact, as if they have some inside information, which they don't.

remember these blog/rumor sites get paid for click traffic, not for being right. If they wanted to make a thoughtful contribution to the speculation, they would offer something other than a claim, and of course I'll be the first to contratulate a site that does so.

 

Now you know how hard it is, for us, if US is complaining about small things..

 

Oh really, how much is the 14ea in USD inc tax etc?

 

Lets just say that here in Scandinavia, the Envy 14-1260 costs around 1700 USD, depending on which of the 3 currencies you check...

Edit: HEY! I'm no longer a newbie!

 

+1 but I'm all over thoughtful comments that show good reasoning and evidence. like what is the image pad going to be. we have some reasonable thoughts worth speculating about there. As for battery life, we could infer some things from the Envy 17 Sandy Bridge refresh, due to switchable graphics. But idle speculation without supporting evidence or firing at least a couple of neurons is just not contributing.

 

nah threads like this are only good for speculation

 

so where do the thoughtful comments belong?

 

try to insert here, but there isnt much to be find.

most post are ''AWESOME! ENVY 14 SB ROXXOR!''

'' I WANTS 6970 IN THERE!''

2 GAZILLION GBS OF RAM!

its all that, aside the I want now! comment.

few people post some good info, and fewer people comment something worth the energy on those info

basically threads like this are for fun

 

UK do charge a hell of a lot more than in the US. Sucks.

Been out looking for an envy 14 for a bit, stumbled across this post. Looked at a few HP laptops, all the models are different over here but theres only one 2010 envy currently available at a discount (£749) which is good for my budget but i could spend a bit more. Is there any people from the UK here that can have a guess at the launch price of the 2011 model? And can anyone speculate as to whether its worth wiating for and paying the price diffrence?

I've just been into PCworld and they had no envy's, but they had a DV3-4302ea for £699...but i cannot find it on the internet anywhere! But the specs are as follows...

i5 -480m @2.66Ghz
4gb RAM
750gb HDD
Radeon 6370M with 512mb dedicated.

Heres the specs for the UK envy 14 available.

HP Laptops - HP Envy 14-1190ea Laptop PC

Anyone know how good these DV3's are compared to the current and long awaited new envy?
Bring on the 15th!

 

Plus i don't know how everyone feels about DVD players, but i think they should scrap them totally for externals. I never use mine and its silly taking up so much space when you can get a USB one on the cheap.

I'd love that space taken up by some proper cooling or some nice graphics.

 

unlike the "waiting for SB Envy" thread which went from January to product intro, with enough real info and data to make it worthwhile. not much value here

 

I was in that thread too, waiting for it to be a slimmed down version of the envy 15, with minor corrections, they made a Frankenstein that made me dont visit the envy lounge that much anymore.

The thread was the same thing as this one, they always are, try to look at the vaio z thread, its the same thing, or the m14x thread, or any laptop waiting threads, people come with impaired knowledge and expectations, that when arent met, they bash and trash, and subsequently leave, so comes another posters and do the same thing.

Unless you have some insider posting in the thread, you hardly get anything useful.

 

We need an insider!!!

 

Good news, HP is only offering old i7 processors right now!

 

Hmm, I need some advice... And I figure this is a pretty good place to ask, considering y'all should be more informed. Should I wait for the SB Beats or purchase an Envy 14 Radiance right now for about $800? I don't need the extra horsepower, but I much prefer the Beats Edition's look. I also like owning things new, rather than used. Is the Radiance that much more fantastic than Brightview, and is there any possibility of a 900p non-Radiance display?

 

So, here's all we know:

a) it's being released June 15
b) it has a Sandy Bridge processor
c) they improved the trackpad
d) it's equipped with HP CoolSense 2.0
e) there's a backlit keyboard

That's it! Why do people quit arguing over all of these speculations? Nobody has a clue what GPU it's going to have, for example, but some people are absolutely hung up on the 6330.

 

Quadcore sandy bridge will be supported too, not only dual (just good to know)

Brightview 1366x768 will be the standard option, so IF their is going to be a better screen, they will ask some more money (not a problem though)

Base price will be 999$

 

exactly right, although 6330 is a reasonabel suggestion consistent with HPs actions in the past, but you're right no one really knows. at least you posted information that we know and can name the source!

where does this information come from?

 

I wouldn't mind that so much. I still use DVD's, but at $40 for an external, I'd much prefer better cooling, graphics, second hard drive, or anything else really.

 

Agreed aswell only time I ever touch my cd/dvd drive is for reformatting. If you got blueray then it might be usefull butotherwise I agree I wouldn't mind it going.

 

Anyone with an internal dvd or blu-ray drive is behind on the times for sure. They should still include it with every purchase of a laptop though, that way joe sixpack wont complain about not having one. Just my opinion.

 

get over it, they are not going to ditch the ODD, they had done it in the envy 15, and it got an outcry for the people that want that historical thing.

Thats why they put out such a compromised machine in the name of the ODD

BTW all my files and programs are stored in punch cards! heh!

 

I never use my internal DVD drive and ideally would prefer to be without one internally but its not a big concern for me and definitely not a deal breaker.

 

Personally, I do use the ODD, but I would just as soon see the E14 ditch it and put in a better GPU or a bigger battery. If they're not building in a Blu-Ray drive, an external would pretty much suffice for anyone who needs it.

 

I use external drives quite often. When I download software, it's nice to have a library of discs handy in case you ever need to reinstall again. I also like to rip my DVD (and BluRays on my desktop). Some people might use thumb drives for that, but most of my thumb drives are more used for moving files or running various Linux distros.

 

I suspect the optical drive will continue to be built into laptops until as long as people have DVD and blu ray players hooked up to their TVs and it is still cheeper to distribute home entertainment content that way. It does appear Optical's days are numbered, but I think that number is still large.

 

speaking of Blu Ray, is there any indication that this with have an internal blu ray drive instead of the standard optical?

 

has there any breakthroughs in the 600 less slot load blu ray drives? I dont remember seeing anything like that.

I was always interested to know why all the fuss about discs

 

What they should do is create a modular design where they can either put in the slot loaded drive or opt to put an additional internal battery in its place.

Graphics not as concerned about, I just hope once AMD launches the trinity chips they will have sandy bridge class performance during the reign of ivy bridge but with much more powerful built in graphics with dual gpu support able to work in tandem with a discreet gpu. That would be the ideal setup, with an additional battery in the place of the slot load drive. To save on case cost they can keep the slit for all I'd care, just swap out the OD.

 

the ultrabay design is still alive, dell and lenovo still use it.

however its not possible in the envy line

I would actually prefer that the envy line to be a follower of the ultrabook concept, much like the Z is (off course you have to discount the steep price tag, thus not a ultrabook per se)

 

true enough -- I suspect the reason why it won't happen in the Envy (other than the mechanical re-design effor would be enormous) is because the market wouldn't bear the cost.

 

So no news on the new GPU? I really wanted to see if this would almost rival the m14x somehow :\

 

If they manage to get a 6770 in the envy, it'll definitely rival the m14x

 

The m14x still has a high-res screen, however. Then again, with its size the m14x can barely be considered a 14'' notebook anyway.

 

Yeah, don't know why people buy <14" alienware if they are this thick and are heavy.

 

I would buy the m11x because it is still the most powerful performer for its size. There are plenty of other notebooks with similar size and performance to the m14x that are cheaper, though. I don't really understand why anyone would buy it.

 

14" laptops: Now the size of 15" laptops, only less vertical screen space! That makes sense, right?

Personally I'm holding out til next year for a Trinity APU + Discrete Southern Islands GPU in crossfire.

I think that holds the most promise for a truly mobile gaming platform and I could see HP doing this.

If they don't have the Radiance in this run they'll find out by then just how much they need it, I think.

 

I'll probably just sell my Envy next year if a good refresh comes around.

 

It's official. HP answers our prayer.

The Envy is getting ATI 6750m and a 1600x900 display folks!
It doesn't say 'radiance' though. But still it's HD!

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/hp-announce-6750-hd-display-on-sandy-bridge-envy-63207983.htm