*HP ENVY 14 & Envy 14 Beats (1XXX series) Owners Lounge, Part Deux*

If you already have a DVI cable, you could just get an adapter.

Like I said, they're essentially identical, so either should work.

 

Can you dig one of your adapters up and plug it into your E14 to see if the adapter blocks any of the other ports?

 

I don't have my Envy 14 yet.

Actually, I spoke wrong earlier.

Here's what you would want:

Envy 14's HDMI port (connected to) HDMI Cable (plugs into) HDMI to DVI adapter (plugs into) monitor's DVI port.

Sorry, a DVI cable would require a different adapter.

Hope that helps some!

 

Wouldn't this: HDMI Male to DVI-D Female Adapter Converter HDTV DVD NR - eBay (item 330446326926 end time Jul-25-10 20:17:00 PDT)

or this

Amazon.com: Used and New: Eforcity Black 6FT /2 Meter HDMI Male to DVI Male Cable

do the trick? (with the latter just using the cable, no adapters to worry about)

 

Yes, either of those should work.

You could just pick up the single cable for convenience's sake, or the adapter for some modularity.

 

Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse 5000 is a pretty good with one extra button and it's relatively cheap. If you want to go for a better mouse the Orochi would be good but it's going to cost you. Also, there's the Logitech V470 which is also a bluetooth mouse, not sure if there are any extra buttons though.

 

i just got a logitech anywhere mx and i love it

7 programable buttons and its small - mid size.

got mine off ebay for 24 bucks shipped. retails for 80.

jus my 2 pennies

 

Okay, thanks +rep =)

 

damm that gpu and cpu really sucks up the battery life, anyways have you tried this w/ the slice fit battery.

 

Sorry if this has been asked...

Is anyone else having an issue starting their e14 from standby only to have their screen not turn on? the OS runs and i can unlock my computer but my screen stays black until i close it and open it once more. sometimes i even have to close it and open it again just so the brightness adjust buttons would work.

 

The E 15 has a 53Wh internal and no swtchable graphics so battery life is actually pretty good considering. The slice is 93Wh so 8 hrs is not a problem with light use, but the slice adds 2.7 lbs. I usually just travel with an extra 6 cell which is only .8 lbs and 4x8x3/8, much lighter easier to store...

 

so guys should i go for the i5-520m or the i5-450m? the only reason i'm wary of getting the i5-520m is the whine i've been hearing about...

 

Both processors get the "whine," if it even is a real issue or if it's even the processors that are whining.

There's a lot of speculation and misinformation about the "whine."

Really, guys, just order an Envy 14 with whatever processor you need, then if you happen to get whining, don't whine, just send it back to HP and get your money back.

 

I'm extremely curious about the information in this thread.

Out of everyone here, barely anyone has the base i3 370.

Is the extra 266mhz with turbo mode that important to get the i5 450?

I can understand the want for 533mhz turbo for the i5 520 but is the extra money justified?

Overall, I just want to know how people justify going for the higher versions over the i3.

 

Well, it's only $50 more, and when you're already dropping over $1000 on a notebook, it doesn't seem like much.

Another thing in the long run that I considered was that the maximum temperature before throttling on an i3 is 90C, while the i5/i7's is 105C.

There was no real telling at the time just how hot an Envy 14 would get, but other laptops have hit over 90C on an i3, and started throttling.

You probably wouldn't notice the difference going with a Core i3 anyways.

 

IDK i just got the i5 since it just sounded better.

the conversation would have to go like, "You have a $1450 laptop with only i3?"
might as well have rounded it off. lol.

 

Meh, quick summary of all the benches done with cinebench R10:
370: 7400 ish multicore performance
450 and 520 : 8200 ish (+10% perf compared to 370)

In single core perf it's the same, except the 520 is about 150 points ahead of the 450 because its single core turbo boost can go to 2.9 ghz while the 450 is always stuck at 2.6 ghz on both cores.

370 and 450 m are identical features while 520 has some virtualization and improved AES stuff that is useless for most people (those not running multiple VMs and encrypted hard drives).

 

Im one of the few with the 370. Prices were different on launch day. If the 450 had been a 50 dollar option when i ordered I would have chosen it. The 430 that was offered didn't seem like much of an uprade which is probably why they dropped it also. I won't miss having a faster cpu but for a little more money I would have opted for one.

 

I agree, even for resale value. Trying to sell a $1450 laptop as you noted with an i3 will make it difficult to sell or not get as much for it if you have an i5. I think either i5 is better than an i3 all around. No turbo boost on the i3.

 

I am still thinking that why could hp not fit a ati 5830 instead of an optical drive and of cours a better battery(more Wh) and that would hae made the e14 perfect.

 

I still wonder why they didn't put in a higher capacity battery. It's an "8-cell" and I'm sure they could fit a lot more energy in the same package space.

 

I'm liking it. One of the things that's very evident is that the Envy 14 is a laptop that takes a fair amount of time to get working in optimal fashion. You need to either uninstall a lot of bloatware or do a clean install of the OS; download newer wireless and trackpad drivers; spend time configuring the trackpad; tweak the power profiles; figure out how to control the fan; possibly overclock the GPU; etc. By the time I had done all that, I found that I'd become acclimated to the Envy's quirks, and had gotten over the fact that it wasn't The Ultimate Laptop (tm) and was, merely, a very good laptop with an especially good screen.

That to my mind is the real selling point. There's not a lot of reason to choose the 14 over a comparably-equipped the DV6t Select except the 14's screen, so it becomes a question of how important that element is to you. If you'll be hooked up to an external monitor much of the time, it matters less. If you'll be doing a lot of photo/video-editing on-screen, watching movies, or wanting to use the laptop outdoors, then the superiority of the 14's screen becomes more of a factor.

 

How many fans does Envy 14 have and how is the cooling system with an i5 processor?

 

It has two fans. Till now cooling system in this laptop is good.

 

My Envy 14 just shipped so I figured I might as well register and say hello. I also bought an i3 370. Another thing is I have gone through many, many CPU's in my days and have seen the improvements in processor. I have ALWAYS bought the mid range processors in every processor line. I find it funny that many people recommend the i3 for "word processing and web browsing only." If you do the search on Google, that's the results you get. They are regurgitating Intel's marketing. An i3 is just as powerful or more so than the fastest Core 2 Extreme processor of the last generation. And those played Crysis fine. Everyone knows gaming capability is all the result of the GPU and minimally on the CPU (of course, I'm comparing same class i3 VS i5; old CPUS would make a difference).

The i3, i5, i7 are all marketing. I don't look at the marketing labels to justify my purchase--ever. The bragging rights of the fastest is always short-lived. There is always something better than comes around.

Here is my reasoning for taking the i3 over i5, i7. Laptops primary focus is on utility: good enough speed with good battery life. I do not want the hottest CPU or the fastest because they often go hand in hand. Take the i3 for instance, an i3 370m is supposedly 10% slower in speed. In real world, you will NOT be able to tell the difference because 10% increase in megahertz does not translate to 10% increase in perceptible speed. A game that runs at 35fps will not be noticeably different from a game running at 32fps. How can I justify a 25% increase in CPU price for an i5? $50 is probably at least 25% more than the cost of an i3 VS an i5 ($200 vs $150).

If you bought an i3, I think you made a good decision. However, anyone else who bought an i5 has probably made a good decision as well, because they bought it for their own reasons. Really, the i3/i5 marketing is kinda like the DeBeers diamond marketing. People pay more for better "quality" because it makes them feel better for having the "better" version. Most people can't even tell the difference. But that's not the point.

 

Every time I turn on my laptop it brings up a screen after it shows the windows startup screen. The screen states that there is a problem in my c: drive and it has to do a check for disk consistency.

Is there a reason for this? Or a way i can make that stop showing up?

 

Ok thanks

 

Anyone know how to fix this error:

The device, \Device\Ide\iaStor0, did not respond within the timeout period.

 

I was on the 2nd batch of people to buy Envy's and mine just shipped as well. Should be getting it on or around the 28th. Just wanted to let people know if they were waiting for the next batch.

 

I believe the 8 cell may be becuase of the poor design of the E 15 battery system, they claim that the throttling on battery is do to the fact that the 6 cell 53Wh battery can not discharge enough current to support 100% loads on the CPU+GPU, which may be accurate due to the heat generated with li ion batteries, but my guess is they had to throttle the i7 + 4830 (75W max draw) combo on the gen1 models and were just to lazy to un throttle the gen 2 i5 + 5830 models (47W max).

The 8 cell desiegn would disipate heat better and allow for more rapid discharge at higher current levels. I do agree that HP does not use the space avaliable for batteries efficiently, just look at the slices size vs. capacity, very inefficient, and all the wasted space on the internal batteries compartment, casing and packaging.....

 

There is a real difference in thermal qualities between the I3 and I5 CPU's. The I3 units have a max temp of 90C and throttle in the 86C range. The I5's and I7 dual core have a max temp of 105C and throttle only at temps 15C higher than the I3. There has been an observable difference in performance between the I3 and the I5.
The Thermal throttling is very obvious in the I3 in stress testing and in gameplay.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/6502641-post184.html
Bronsky

 

I agree with Bronsky (above) and need to point out that it is not just marketing.

The i3 and i5 use the same exact silicon die (chip) and are basically graded by testing as to what specs they are capable of meeting. Therefore an i3 is really the lowest performing level of the tested chips and has to be clocked lower and have a lower maximum temps to be stable while using the same amount of energy. In basic terms it has higher resistance in the circuit and is less effiecient than better graded versions with lower resistance.

Unlike you I do the complete opposite and always get the highest spec'ed (or close) version of a CPU available because, by default, you know it's capable of higher performance with the amount of energy. Therefore it is more efficient, will run cooler with the same load and be more stable over time..... Bragging rites have nothing to do with it.

 

This is what pops up when I turn on the computer every time. I don't believe this is normal lol. So if anyone could possibly help or maybe explain why its doing that, it would be greatly appreciated!

 

im not 100% sure but the turbo boost of i5 only active when ur PC doing single threaded or not so intensive data processing

 

No. It constantly changes based on load. For example my 540M has a base speed of 2.53Ghz, when all 4 threads have a 100% load it will run at 2.8Ghz on all threads (turbo), when just 1 thread is active it can clock up to 3.06Ghz. In real world use the speeds flucuate all over as the load is changing... At idle the clocks drop to 1.3Ghz...

 

Will the cooling system of the Envy 14 even let the cpu get to 86 under load?

 

Have no idea ... but I would want to know that before I picked an I3 over an I5 in the envy. I would at least want to appreciate that the issue exists. The OP was suggeting that there were no differences between the two classes of CPU other than the Clock speeds. You have to look much deeper into the specs before you can make such a conclusion and try to write it all off to marketing. The I3 may be a great unit for the Envy 14 becuase of the dual fan/sink cooling but I would want to at least consider the issue.

Bronsky

 

I think its because price, that would explain why E14 is cheaper and have less capable graphic card then E15 and E17. Could be heat,battery life also. The purpose that they make this laptop is so its portable and powerful enough for most user. I'm happy with 5650 since I dont play much games, its a better card then GT330 from Vaio F series. Plus it support DX11, while 330 only DX10.

It might be marketing purpose, next time they will offer a high capacity battery on the same package for extra money. 8 Cell will come standard, or upgrade for $75-100 to get 12 cell.

Yea, I have to say I do not agree with your theory. The main difference between i3/i5 is the "Turbo Boost", that itself already make big difference in a lot of modern application. Off course, if you just use simple and older app., you might not need that feature. I use Photoshop and I'm sure it will appreciate the turbo boost feature and the extra Mhz the i5 offer.

 

What he said + the fact that it will increase the clock speed until a certain thermal temperature is reached that intel has set.

 

8 cell does come standard.

 

I was saying in the future...><, 8 cell does come standard right now. For the 2nd gen E14, there might be an option for higher end battery which could be a 12 cell that will cost you $75-100 more.

 

Why would you want 12 smaller cells?
You could fill the battery casing with rechargeable watch batteries and a resistor and get a... 500 cell? 1000 cell? Maybe even a 9001 cell!

A 12 cell battery will not hold 2x the charge of a 6 cell at the same volume and battery type.

 

Has anybody posted a picture of the motherboard on here or part 1 of the thread?

I'm looking for the PLL clock generator chip number so we can OC the cpu on this mother.

 

Guys I do not know why but my laptop's discharge rate is high. My discharge rate is about 18000 mW, and I seen others get around 8000mW discharge rate. What's going on? I'm set to Intel GMA. I got 3 hours of battery life before my battery hit 5%.

 

Intel and AMD often time test chips up to a certain rating and speed, then sells it at a certain clock speed. The majority of chips sold are low end chips. There aren't enough high-end chips that fail for them to rebadge them all as low end chips. The majority of chips are only tested up to the lower threshold. These chips are all produced by the same method and machines. This is the reason why many of us can buy a lower-end chip and overclock them. A chip rated at 2.4ghz doesn't mean it's incapable of higher clock speed. Intel has now hard-locked these chips by ways of throttling and multiplier locked to discourage overclocking. That does not mean these chips are incapable of going above that threshold. Chips at 55nm were routinely OC 20%, so I can't imagine why a chip at 32nm cannot go at least that much. An i3 is the same chip as an i5, locked by Intel artificially in order to differentiate between these two.

If my laptop is hitting temperatures of 95 degrees, then I have worse things to worry about than speed throttling. If the chip hits its thermal throttling point, then there are issues with its cooling (or we're OC'ed beyond its specs). Having said that, if a throttling point of 15 degrees and .26mghz of clockspeed is worth the extra $50, then by all means. We earned our money and we deserve to spend it how we see fit. However, we should understand what we're paying for.

 

I'll seriously give it my envy a 10/10. The only con I could think of was being forced to do a clean install when i received it because had so much bloatware. I was going to do a clean install anyway no matter what so I didn't mind, but it was still a considerable amount of bloatware. I cant hear any whine, but there could be a very, very faint whine. I couldn't hear any whine from 2 inches away. The keyboard is a dream with no flex unless if I slam it with my fist. The trackpad is also brilliant if its configured properly and if the user learns not to rest his or her thumb on the buttons.

I know a few people got unlucky with their envy, however a lot of other people are happy with their envy from the build quality poll. If anyone is on the verge of ordering the envy 14, i recommend ordering it. If you get unlucky, which i think is around 10% of the time, just RMA it. This is an excellent laptop.

 

Hi I can not decide between the envy 14 or dv6t due to the graphics card being better and having more to offer but the envy 14 looks better... Which one?

 

Have you read any of the E14 vs DV6 threads yet?

 

I read the E14 and there seems to be problems with the video card. I would like to get what I paid for unless there is not a lot of difference between them

 

It's just my opinion but the 14 is still worth it over the dv6 due to the solid build. I'm a fan of metal when i get something made from it. If a game stutters and runs poorly on the 14 then its barely going to be any better on the dv6 and soon there will be a super easy way to set the 14 at the same clocks as the dv6 im guessing. If you don't mind the flex of a plastic laptop though i could easily see you picking the dv6. The screen and metal is what made it worth it for me on the Envy though.