*HP ENVY 17 & 17 3D (1XXX series) Owners Lounge*

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i wanna see your gaping gaps

are they that bad?

 

Not at all, at a quick glance you'd never notice. But if you inspect the seems slowly, you will see gaps here and there. Enough to slip a paper into, that's about it.

And for anyone worried about flex, messing with both the Alienware 15 inch and the g73jh, they both had as much flex. I can't see a situation were you'd ever be pressing the keys hard enough to flex them though.

 

Sorry. I'm not a gamer and haven't access to a G73JH, either.

Others within this thread have offered some gaming metrics and even a youtube or two, as well.

Thanks for your appreciation.

 

Thanks for the answer.--PacBenny (I suppose)

 

I am debating between E17 and G73JH, I know that the Asus is cold (but it have problems too, see threads related...) but how choose it when you see :

- a mbp professional look and portability and strenght
- an e-sata port for my NAS
- an USB 3.0 port for future NAS/bluray burner/others

In the Asus you have 4 usb 2.0 and a fantastic cooling fan, with a strange chassys and a screen that do not go more than 110 degrees, stop.

My next notebook MUST BE with me for 5-6 years from now, and how can I live 5 years with only 4 usb 2.0 and nothing more ???

Please, help me to decide wich one is the best... and WHY.

Thanks a lot.

 

The someone was me and it does. Explorer.exe is supposed to restart on a failure, but it commonly fails to resart in Vista and (now) Win 7. Explorer.exe is more prone to fail when the computer is used heavily and left on for many days. I don't have to explain this phenomenon in order to say that I have observed it.

In fact, Explorer.exe is not only a file manager, it is a shell to the OS, which is what I was describing in general terms in my original post.

The missing Taskbar icons were for programs still in memory, but no longer accessible because of the stalled instance of Explorer.exe that was originally presenting them to the user (via the Taskbar). This is not file management; it is the task of a shell.

The CPU, GPU, and disk "burn-in" software running together triggered the failure, but I don't know how. Although Task Manager was able to kill the few programs running prior to the test and blocking a clean reboot after the test, Task Manager was not able to kill the one remaining stalled instance of Explorer.exe that was blocking a clean start of a new instance of Explorer.exe.

This observation alone demonstrates how Explorer.exe functions in a manner beyond that of a simple file manager interface for the user.

Again, hence the need for the reboot which was able to get around the stalled instance of Explorer.exe.

 

Not a fan of ASUS that much, but their new gaming notebook with wireless display built in is pretty neat.

 

ah, thats not so bad.

i guess those closesup pics that where posted made the gaps look huge.

cuz those gaps looked like you can stick coins in them.

 

What would be nice are some clean shots of the whole machine, a few closeups of the etched pattern, the edge of the keyboard with and without backlight and maybe, since there have been no screenshots or anything a shot of the picture quality of the webcam..
You would be my hero for that..

 

When explorer.exe crashes or ends, you have no desktop icons and no taskbar so i'd say its more than a file manager.

 

Why would you need ESATA or USB (whichever version) for a NAS? All you need is ethernet or WLAN. Or are you actually talking about external hard drives?

 

I just wanted to see a general envy 17 in-depth review video. I just cant believe the orders are that backed up. I ordered mine June 20 with an est. build date of June 29...so i assume i should be getting this unit sometime between july and september lol?? and hey i believe today marks the release of the envy14....

 

Those who tested the heating issue, did someone test it with just a SSD disk ?
I have one Envy 17 on the way, live in Norway, so had to order from a regular webshop, but I have a return policy.

The thing is, that i dont mind ordering a SSD disk at my own cost, and just replace the 500GB HDD that follows, but only if this reduces the heating issue drastically

 

Yes, in my future system will be there this QNAP Systems, Inc. ( TS-119 Turbo NAS ) - Quality Network Appliance Provider and I am thinking to use esata to connect pc with it, the lan port was for the adsl router/modem.

Do you prefer a 1Gbps lan (theorical) vs an Esata speed (that do not use lan/adsl bandwidth) ???

i.e. if I want to send a 300 GB of blue-ray isos from pc to my mono QNAP NAS, is faster/better with the lan/USB2 port of G73JH, or with an esata port ???

 

And so, she left me.
Dropped her off after some tea,
Got back home close to three.
Another mail order Envy on its way,
Another chance for me to cheer and shout "yay"!
Or so I hope and hope to say.
Oh why was she demented,
I pondered and lamented,
While my thoughts I cemented.
She left me.
They said shipping was free,
And now it is three.
Now I wait,
Holding this silver plate.
Maybe it was her fate.
Envy you are good as gone but not gone for good,
If you do come back and you surely should,
You and I, maybe we could,
Get together one more time,
During the time of prime,
And make the moment sublime.


So I've joined the waiting game again folks. Waiting for my replacement to ship out. New order went in yesterday and expected to be built July 12.

 

I'll have something up saturday.

 

Hey all!

I'm new to the forums here, but I've browsed through the 200+ pages and while I was originally excited about the HP Envy 17 I ordered from Amazon, lately I'm getting a bit worried about the negative feedback. I do wonder if it's just a case of a few unhappy people speaking loudly... While I wait for my ENVY 17 on Amazon (has anyone ever got theirs yet?) I ordered an HP ENVY 15 from costco to "hold me over" will the amazon one shows up (costco has an amazing 90 day return policy).

The ENVY15 I have is a core i7 720, 6GB RAM, 500GH HDD and a 2nd battery the size of a small ice rink. I guess my questions are:

1) the ENVY 15 I have, while gaming, definitely runs warm to hot, but I can keep my hands on the palmrest no problem. Do the 15's with and i7 run the same temp as the 17's? Cause I can live with the heat if so.

2) Has anyone out there ordered the ENVY 17 from amazon and actually received one?

3) Is there really a 2nd Gen ENVY already out? And if so, how does one know what they are getting?

4) The 17 I have ordered has the 2 320GB HDDs, is it really worth getting rid of one and getting a SSD? If so what one should I get, I don't need much room as I store everything on my Windows Home Server, just enough for OS and apps.

5) Are there readers of this forum that are happy and have kept their ENVY 17s?

Thanks all!

 

I love mine, haven't had any issues at all, and am keeping it. I'm not a serious gamer, so your mileage may vary. But mine has no issues with fit, wobbles, heat (cooling pad helps immensely), sound, etc. It's a sweet device.

 

If you want to hook up your external HDD with USB/ESATA, why even buy a NAS? You can get external USB/ESATA HDD enclosures for a much cheaper price and you'll get exactly what you want.

 

I placed an order for the E17 on the 11th of June and i have yet to receive any update from them. Just sent an email to amazon to inquire about the order and waiting from them to give me an update....

 

@Lifebylife

ESATA is faster than gigabit LAN. ESATA sustained speeds will be around 45-70 MB/sec depending on the drives and controllers. Gigabit LAN will sustain around 30-40 MB/sec depending on drives, NIC, and controllers. Gigabit LAN has more overhead than ESATA because of the NIC.

 

Which cooling pad are you using with your E17? TIA

 

Zalman ZM-NC2000

 

The Qnap nas has some features that I like and that an enclosure do not have :

- it operates without a pc, I leave it 24/7 in utorrent/emule downloading with the pc off
- it is linkable via dnla with ps3 and iphone
- it is very silent without fan
- can be controlled by web
- etc etc

 

More exactly I post a description of an external hd specification, in this is written that the E-sata is 3x the MB/s of a lan/usb2 :

eSATA 3 Gbit: 3 Gbit/s (300 MB/s)
FireWire 800: 800 Mbit/s (100 MB/s)
FireWire 400: 400 Mbit/s (50 MB/s)
Hi-Speed USB 2.0: 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s)

Real speed of hard disk writing :

eSATA 3 Gbit: 105-115 MB/s
FireWire 800: 75-85 MB/s
FireWire 400: 35-40 MB/s
Hi-Speed USB 2.0: 30-35 MB/s

 

Fedex has invoiced me $40 for the shipment of my E17. Anyone else so lucky? I got a huge 13 page bundle in the mail, including tariff info and dept of homeland security customs documents. Looks like FedEx screwed up big time as I can see that HP declares the value of my $1850 laptop (with 300 coupon) to be $1556. If correct, they still make a little change off of 25% BCB.

I called HP to tell them and I got my $39 2nd day fee credited to my card because it took 3 days. They told me to call Fedex and tell them the shipping was paid for and to waive my invoice.

 

I would consider a NAS with more bays (like 4) then, so you'll be able to upgrade (i.e. add more HDDs).

 

so im considering a return due to the heat. It's just unreasonable. I'm starting to think that all laptops with i5 or i7 with 500gb has this kind of heat. does the macbookpro have this kind of heat? what about the dell studio 17? i dont know what's causing the heat, and i don't think it's the processor nor the hard drive. if the envy 17 has these specs with this kind of heat, i dont see why a dell studio 17 or a macbookpro wouldnt have this kind of heat.

also, do you guys think i'll make it in on time for a refund/replacement? my ship date is the 23rd. i have 21 days to do the return/refund right? but i have to leave on the 26th to go to shanghai, and ill be back on july 12th. it's a tight schedule right? do you think they'll take it?

 

You have 21 days from the *delivery* date to notify HP that you wish to return the laptop. I called on the 20th day for my previous E15 and they emailed the FedEx return label that was good for 5 days from its date of issue. Interesting coincidence, I was in Shanghai when my E15 shipped.

 

Topic : April 2010 MacBook Pro Heat issues.

 

I found it funny how quick the fanboy was in declaring how it was impossible for the heat to damage the laptop. Because as long as you're CPU stays at 104c or under you're good, right? /sigh

Real world is not binary.

 

So today my CPU temp hit 96*C/204*F and the GPU 90*C/193*F. I was only surfing the net and the thing just starting winding up. Perhaps win7 was indexing? No virus scanning, I checked. So not sure what heated things up.

 

I shipped it to the HP Return Center today, but just realized I forgot to package the cloth sleeve/sack which the laptop came in. Do you think they will care?

 

No that won't matter. I've returned 2 already and they just want the laptop back with all provided accesories. They don't care about packaging.

 

Well, I'm still trying to get design specs for heat (thermal design). I am halfway there:

Intel offers its own specs: http://processorfinder.intel.com/

For "normal" operation:

Intel i7 is rated to 100°C/212°F
Intel i5 is rated to 105°C/221°F

Still can't find GPU max temp from ATI . . .

 

Okay, thanks. Just ordered the Envy 15, so as I now technically owe HP the price of two laptops, I hope the return process will be successful!

 

I think the Envy 17's heat problems are due to it's compact case and inadequate heat dissipation (heat sink) and ventilation. It does have the fastest - and probably hottest - gpu, but there are many core i7 and i5 machines with 500GB 7200 rpm HDDs and 1GB discrete gpus I have first or second hand knowledge of that do not get uncomfortably hot:

HP dv8 i7 nVidia GT 230 gpu (mine!), HP Elitebook 2740p i5-540, only Intel GMA HD integrated gpu (had one, returned it for other problems, but heat wasn't one), Dell Studio XPS 16 i5-520, ATI 4670 gpu (friend owns it and says never has heat problem; sent him a cooling pad as a gift for some nice things he did for me and he loves it because it is more comfortable on his lap, but says he didn't need it for heat "problems," just for using on lap when wearing shorts; SONY F Series, i7, nVidia 330 gpu, very manageable heat. Various Lenovo machines about which I have read extensivley in reviews.

I find it almost unimaginable that, with all the heat problems with the Envy 15 they released another that still has the problem. Not to mention a certain trackpad that they can't get right after having the Envy 15, 2 refreshes, the TM2t, and now virtually all of their Pavillion line. HP has many very attractive products and many work fairly well, but it staggers the mind that they would release new products, having to know they have heat and track pad problems.

 

The Envy 15 2nd Gen is not unacceptably hot, especially considering its thin/lightweight formfactor and CPU/GPU combo. The cooling features are really quite efficient, with 2 all copper CPU fans and a separate GPU copper fan. The new Macbook Pro refresh gets hotter in many instances, and they underclock the CPU, and its GPU pales in comparison. I have an i7 CPU and even with that, the temps never become unberably warm, unlike the Envy 17 which does get too hot to handle (palmrest). Granted, I really do like the Sony F, but my envy limited edition runs circles around it.

 

Hey, just for talking...

We ever talks about Envy 17 vs G73JH .... but what do you think about the third warrior Acer Aspire Ethos 8943G ?

I know, its bad is weigth and 5850 DDR3, but for the rest of specifications what do you think ?

No one have tried it to do a comparison with E17 ?

 

Can anyone find out which Version of Mini Display Port is used in the new Envy notebooks?
In the Display Port Standard 1.2 they added a few interesting possibilities like multiple monitors etc..
I cant find more definite Info, neither in the Envy 17 specs or anything about the Envy 14..
Thanks for the help..

 

I just took the plunge and ordered my Envy 17. Build date July 7 - Hopefully my laptop won't have any problems.

Can anyone recommend a charger that I can use in the Car or Airplane?

The flights I take normally take around 5 to 8 hours. So I will definitely need a way to supply power to my laptop on long flights or car rides.

 

under this kind of heat..how long am i supposed to expect this laptop to last? im hoping for four years. any thoughts?

 

hello everyone,

as you can see from my usename "considering f", I was originally looking at purchasin a Vaio f series, but have decided against it because the screen of the f is total garbage in the US (EU has awesome screen).

So I am now considering an Envy 17, but have become skeptical based on the many issues people in this forum have brought up. How bad is the heat issue? how frequent is wobble? Has HP addressed the wobble and are they shipping units now without this issue?

Another question I have is if getting an Envy 17 with i5-540 and just 4GB RAM would be enough for photo and video editing. Specifically HD video editing. Any thoughts on that?

And the Bing cash back: if I search for it now, it says 10%. Does the 25% come and go randomly? And how exactly does it work... seems like if I go through the steps, there is no indication on HP's website that there is any savings. Seems like it wants the full amount paid. So does Bing send you a check later? how do they know you bought the unit? has anyone actually received their 25% back?
thanks

 

To get to the 25% BCB you need to turn off your ad blocker on your browser. Go to Bing.com and then to shopping then type HP.

On the top of the right hand side you will see HP 25% off.

It takes 60 days for you to get you BCB. So the earliest people will get their BCB is roughly two months from now.

 

No one here would really be able to answer that. I do know that increased heat means increased wear on components and decreased lifetime. HP would be the best person to answer this, though I doubt they would with any honesty.

I am confused at this heat issue though. I mean, it had to have come up in quality checks, and they know of their own 21 day return policy. Where normally it may be an issue of "we are too late in development, just push the product and keep the issue quiet, trying to make enough to break even before word spreads." But with practically free returns, I can't see this ending well for them. I've already heard A LOT of returns, and I'm planning to this weekend. I almost want to call and see if something can be worked out, but I don't see what can be done; my laptop works as designed, it's just designed with poor consideration for heat displacement.

 

Yes quite. There should be an "*OFFICIAL: Returned HP Envy 17 Lounge!*".

 

It's weird that the 13 and 15 [second gen] had good cooling, but then HP drops the ball on the Envy 17 cooling.

 

ey l3vi, wasnt the envy 14 supposed to be out yesterday...june 24!?

 

june 27 not 24

 

hi, asking again, how bad are the heat and wobble issues? has anyone actually received an envy 17 that is trouble free? anyone happy with theirs and keeping it?
and: opinions on whether an envy 17 w/ i5-540 or i5-520 and 4GB RAM would be enough for video editing, including HD video editing?
and those who have returned the envy 17. What will you buy instead? A Studio 1749? Definitely don't get the Vaio f if you're in the US or Canada. The screen on that thing is garbage.
thanks for any responses.