HP Envy 14: Availabilty, etc.

Again, it's hard to answer your question. Nobody knows what you like or what you want. If we thought the MBP was worth the premium then we'd have Macs and not be waiting for the Envy 14.

Hardware, I'm not sure in what regard you're talking about but the MBP has inferior hardware if you want to talk about specs. Worse CPU, worse gpu, and while the screen on a Mac is nice it's still only 1280x800 on the 13" model

The big advantage a mac has is that it's touchpad works flawlessly and the gestures complement the large touchpad extremely well. The HP touchpads are still buggy.

Software wise, that's up to you. If you like OSX then get a Mac. If you like Windows stay with a windows based PC.

It seems to me like you want us to point you in one direction or the other. You just have to try a MBP in the store and if that is your thing then by all means get it. But realize you're in the HP Envy 14 forum thread, of course we're going to say the Envy 14 is better.

 

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CSINTH:

I'm not getting into the mac/envy debate, but if you think for $1,250 you're going to get those specs on the Envy, you're on crack. Spec out the DM4. It's going to cost $1,175. So for $75 more, you get a higher-res screen and a better gpu, not to mention the "premium" features of the Envy 14????

Think about it.

You're looking at $1,400-1,500, at least.

 

Its totally up to your own preferences... But still, the ENVYs totally pwn the MBPs.

 

I got a friend who uninstalled the Mac-OS because he didn't like it, and then installed Windows. Don't end up like him

 

the one problem I have with the envy 14 from making it the "perfect" laptop is the screen resolution.. I just hope they have two options in allowing you to choose between full HD and the standard resolution. Any input on whether thats going to happen?

 

Most will tell you that 1600x900 will be the standard resolution. That in all the specification sheets, that's the only resolution listed, so that's the only one that will be offered.

Considering that the 1600x900 screen has been confirmed, I'm assuming you're asking if 1366x768 will also be offered? Although I might be the only one to say otherwise, but I will bet you a bucket of chicken it will be the standard resolution. HP has never offered higher-res screens standard. Look at the Envy 13. Before it came out, all the videos were talking about it's high-res screen with the color gamut and what not. When it came out, the high-res screen was $100 more. Look at the Envy 17, same thing, $100 more for the full HD screen. Envy 15, $100 more. Considering the Envy 14 is only priced at $999, I find it almost foolish to believe that they will offer the upgraded screen as standard.

I will bet anything that the 1600x900 screen will be a $100 option.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I would love nothing more than that screen be standard, as it's something I want and would have to pay for. But I just don't think it makes sense to think that it's going to come standard.

 

Im hoping the build quality will make up for the premium price.

 

I just did comparisons for this.. so no I'm not on crack. $200 for the i3-350m to 540m upgrade (based off DV6t), and $50 for the 320gb to 500gb hard drive (based off Envy 15).

We've seen nothing that indicates the 1366x768 will be the base screen option... 1600x900 is all that's been mentioned. Mind you that 14.5" is an odd screen size.. so perhaps it could make more economical sense for HP to offer only 1 screen option. Otherwise, tack on an extra $75 to $100. No big deal. There's no way it's going to be $1500.

HP Envy 14 - $1250 - 1350
MBP 15 - $2150

That's still an $800 difference.. at least! 10% bing cash back brings 1350 down to 1215... and who knows what coupons we'll be seeing. In some time we'll probably start seeing $200 coupons...

You also have to realize that the DM4 isn't exactly in the same market as the Envy 14...

The Envy 14 is .85lbs heavier.. 4.4lbs vs. 5.25lbs. I think HP wants the Dm4 to be ultra-light, whereas the Envy is more of a workstation.

Footprint wise, the Envy is also bigger:

Dm4 - 13.3" x 1.3" x 9.1"
Envy 14 - 14.01" x 1.1" x 9.33"

 

Like I said, I'm not talking about mac/envy. My post has nothing to do with macs.

All I'm saying is, your figures for that kind of system is way too low.
Obviously, the DM4 is more in the mainstream market. The Envy is the "premium" system, their higher-end system. So to think that an Envy 14 with superior specs to a DM4 system that costs $1,175, is only going to have $100 premium on it, is well, foolish. The DV5, which is another 14.5in system, sans discrete GPU, comes out to $1,100. All I'm saying is...connect the dots.

The fact that they aren't in the same market is something you need to realize. The Envy is the "Lexus" to the DM4's "Toyota." Has nothing to do with size and footprint. If a Camry costs 20K, a similary equipped ES350 is going to cost 30k. They aren't going to offer the Lexus at 22K, or else, who is going to opt for the Camry? Their pricing has to create a different market....what you're trying to say is that the DM4 and Envy 14 are going to be within $100 of each other, all the while having better specs on the Envy 14. Think about it...

Like I said, I hope you're right. But I really doubt HP is going to offer their premium Envy system with slightly better specs than their mainstream system, for basically the same price. We'll see I guess.

 

But I'm using the base price given, and the lowest reasonable starting specs, based off of available information, to come up with my price estimation, instead of feeling it out in comparison to the Dm4.

They're not going to go lower than the i3-350m for the CPU.. and it's a $200 upgrade to 540m. But they could just stick an i5 in standard. We don't know.

They're not going to go lower than 4gb ram, as it's a "premium" laptop. Plus 4gb comes standard on most of HPs laptops of this size.

The screen upgrade is going to cost $100 at most.

I don't see how it's going to cost any more than $1350 for the specs. Plus, you have to see that Dm4 is borrowing materials and style from the Envy line, so they aren't going to be that far apart in price.

 

HP ENVY 14 and ENVY 17 hands-on [Video] - SlashGear

And even at that, from the second video about 5:15 in, the HP rep says it will come with i5 at the $999 price point. So that's $50 less to the 540m... I mean they might change this, but it's still only a $50 difference.

 

That's the problem. You're assuming all the options on the DM4 are going to be base specs on the Envy. What you need to do, is assume all the options/upgrades you need to do on the DM4, you're probably going to need to do to the Envy 14, albeit with a premium.

They only offered 3GB on the Envy 13.

Ya, I know, they are borrowing materials and what not. Similar design. Like I said... Toyota/Lexus. Trust me, I'm well aware of what they're doing. You just need to wrap your head around the fact that the DM4 is the mainstream system and the Envy 14 is their premium system. What you're saying is that a fully-loaded DM4 is going to cost as much as a similarly equipped Envy 14.
I don't see that happening. I see the 500GB HDD being a $100 premium, the 540m being a $250 upgrade, screen $100, memory $50, BT $50....

Again, I hope you're right. I hope the DM4 and Envy 14 are going to be within $50 of each other, that would be fantastic. Will it happen? We'll see.

 

I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me or yourself. lol. Me, personally, you're not going to convince. My logic tells me that there is no way in heck the Envy 14, with better specs than a loaded DM4 that costs $1,175, is only going to cost $1,150 or $1,200.

So. Each to his own I guess. Like I've said about 99 times, I hope you're right. I really do, man. But we can keep going at this till tomorrow, and nobody will know for sure till it comes out.

I would take all they say regarding price with a grain of salt. It's not coming out till June 27th....which is a long long time.

 

My original point was that it's gonna cost less than a Mac, in response to Motoid. A lot less. I estimated it's going to be between close to $1300 for the same specs as a Macbook Pro. That's going to be around $750-900 less.

 

Slap on another couple hundred for the SSD hp and it send it my way! My limit is about 1700.. so Im hoping it wont exceed this.

 

On the Envy 15 the upgrade to 410gb (160 ssd + 250gb hd) is $320. Not a bad price.

 

I second that. I almost ended up buying a MBP 15 (first one) but decided to wait for the Envy 14. It ultimately came down to the fact that I would spend most of my time in Windows 7. Furthermore, the envy 14 outspecs the MBP 15.

 

I'm surprised at how many of your are so concerned with the price. This is HP's premium line and $999 would be dirt cheap for all of the specs you guys are expecting. If you are so concerned with price go get the Asus u30jc or whatever.

 

I'm not at all concerned about it.. we're just trying to get a ballpark for what reasonable specs would look like.

Right now, I almost think it's too good to be true.. I'm expecting some sort of heating problems or something, especially after reading (one report) about the Envy 17 running hot. The most perfect laptops on paper never end up being perfect.. but HP at least seems to be trying to mix low price with quality. We'll see in a month how it turns out.

 

I know SSDs run cooler than HDDs, and I know the don't take as much power, but do they transfer data any faster? I would think no, since the SATA used in an Envy 14 can only carry so much data so quickly...

 

I remember a spokesperson mentioning that the Envy 14 had areas on the bottem of the machine with perforated holes, to help with cooling, so that would probobly help. He was talking specifically about the 14 in this instance, so I wouldnt be so sure that the 17 got the same cooling improvement. Still, thats my guess.

 

We'll see.. but it just seems like all ideal laptops on paper never end up quite being ideal. But I'd say wait to read reviews of the Envy 14 before getting it.. to see what areas are problematic.

 

I price a 14 at $1,500 with I5-540M, 160GB SSD and 1 Dimm 4GB DDR3. This is before any discounts.

Bronsky

I think its in this thread. The numbers look to be pretty accurate.

@CSINTH ... You got that right. It's easy to make a pretty brochure look like a great notebook. Let's see what it can do in the real world.

 

Read: Envy 15

 

I had one, and it was not quite ideal.

 

It's not too good to be true. The g73 asus costs 1199 at best buy for a core i7 quad and a mobile 5870.

why so much lower than others? They are being aggressive with the price.


I believe HP is opting for the mantra that a fast nickel is better than a slow dime.



And to comparisons to the dm4 today, that is the price t-o-d-a-y

will that be the same price late June? Cost for the same hardware go down over time, as do costs for brand new systems JUST released.

They are playing to win marketshare and converts, and so I fully believe the 14 will be aggressively priced, as they said.

 

I know the price will be low, I just hope the machine is as perfect as it seems to be! Then I need to scrounge up the money to buy one of these one top of my gaming laptop

 

link of the review please, i too would like to give it a read

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-hp-envy-17-owners-lounge-20.html#post6274260

Some guy found it in Australia. To be fair, it was a display model, but I have a 5850 in the GX640 and it runs warm too.

 

Hp is trying to be competitive with price. The cost for HP to add the higher res screen is probably only 20-30$. Most of the usual 100$ screen upgrade is just a gimmick for profit. I think HP is setting a new system to beat competition.

 

And I think it's going to work. HP"s marketing-product development on this line has been impressive.

 

No Envy's 17 yet at Best Buy. Was hoping they'd be released this weekend there. Danged, I hope the Envy 14 is sold there.

 

How will Dirt 2 run on the Envy?

 

his review states that the screen isn't too great.. thats disappointing as it was one of the reasons I was purchasing the laptop.

 

Not sure if they have the brightview for the 17''. Maybe an option, maybe an update :/

As for price, it starts at $1000 (or £1000 for rip-off britain). I'd say a i5 430m, 1600 x 900 screen, 4 gigs, 320GB drive, 1 year warranty. That would be a nice entry-level laptop. Would be interesting if they can actually produce cup-price aluminium/magnesium laptops for that amount of cash.

Complete speculation of course.

 

The base HP Envy 17 display is:

The upgraded display:

Notice the "Ultra" added on the upgraded display.

Still, I'm sure that even the base display is bright. In a big store with lots of bright lights coming from everywhere it's normal that the brighter displays looks less bright. In comparison, the bad screens look more bright, and it's pretty easy to take a bad screen home only to find it looks different on arrival.

I don't see anything wrong with the screen by looking at the picture. The reflections are pretty normal, especially with E2E glass (bah).

 

Interestingly, I'm wondering if the Envy 14 could match that Sony Vaio Z configuration for a similar price.

Configured
Intel® CoreTM i5 Processor 520m
Genuine Windows® 7 Professional
Black
500 GB Serial ATA (7200 rpm)
4 GB 1066MHz DDR3-SDRAM
No DVD disc drive
33.3 cm LCD, 1920x1080, webcam
Wireless WAN
No Fingerprint and no TPM
Long-Life Battery
3 USB Ports

£1,600 (ouch!)

Envy 14
-> Heavier
-> Bulkier (14.5'')
-> Has DVD slot drive
-> Faster HD5650 (?)
-> HD swap easier (I have a 128gb Samsung SSD that would be a better match for a laptop).

I would guess a similar configuration (1080p resolution, matte screen, i5m 520, battery extension) would be close to the Sony in terms of price, with the added benefit of a DVD drive. I'd say around £1400 (or $1400).

So then, it comes down to form factor. Light, sleek 13'', versus heavier, more versatile 14.5''.

 

In the states, an I5-540M/HD5650/160GB SSD/4GB DDR3/1600 x 900, 350nit display will cost $1,500. HP has a minimum discount of 10% ($1,350). Base models of the Z are selling for $1,900-2,000. They are configured with an I5-520M/GT330M combination. For a comparable CPU, the price would climb to $2,200. The price of the Sony's portability is minimum $700. Price is a factor.

I don't understand HP's premium on UK pricing. It makes the 14 less competitive. Does their base price (999 Euros Right?) include VAT?

Bronsky

 

whats the expected battery life? can u purchase a high capacity 9cell?

 

HP rarely sell base spec high end model laptops in the uk; normally upgraded cpu and/or ram. This is what happened with the HDX series, envy series, and the DV5/6 series in the uk.

 

the Envy 14 is specified to come with an 8 cell battery better than the usual 6 cells!

 

The HP Envy 14 comes with an 8 cell standard battery. There will also be an optional battery slice which I believe is a 6 cell.

 

Anyone know where i can get an intel x-25m 160gb ssd shipped to the uk for £250ish?

 

Any word on the price/availability of the Envy 14 in Canada?

 

Yeah, that would be with VAT, UK and eurozone.

for the Vaio SSD (128gb) + 540m, that would be equivalent to the Vaio Z config @ £1,900, so a £400 premium. Still a lot of cash for a fashion statement.

It still pisses me off to get the 1$ = 1 Euro = 1£ crap on such expensive things. Guitars and bass guitars as well, anything from the States comes at a premium for some reason. So much so that it sometimes becomes cheaper to order from the states with the added customs tax (even better is you can sneak stuff through customs).

Sony's is equally devious. I'll hold off to see how competitive the Envy 14 really is at launch, with all the necessary 'upgrades' pilling up.

 

i believe it is a 9 cell slice. could be wrong though

 

nope he was right... 6 cell slice according to product definition

 

If you import from states, UK customs only charge VAT.

 

The 9 cell is on the envy 15