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    HP Envy 14: Availabilty, etc.

    Discussion in 'HP' started by exi, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. derpderp

    derpderp Notebook Evangelist

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    Forgot to add that a friend of mine overclocked his ssus g73 core i5 430M to 2,9Ghz (turbo mode freq heh lol, or else it's making some 4.5ghz turbos lol) by using SetFSB as bronsky said. He got some instabilities so he went back to 2,8 ghz peaking and it seems fine. Anyway the overclocking margin will depend of how good the envy cooling system is.

    Just fyi on asus laptops the feature of overclocking called "turbo33" is obtained by the very same means : increasing the fsb from 133 to 143 for example on a i520 gives a boost to a 3,1 ghz peak. But don't go raising the fsb by 33% it will not work as the fsb increase is not linear with the clock speed of the cpu, just use setFSB and raise the fsb ONE hz per ONE hz untill you reach the level of the 540m for example. Then check the temperature loads under a heavy benchmark, then play some game for a few hours while monitoring temperatures (cpus shouldn't go past 80°C, 90°C at max), and if nothing goes wrong there, you've managed the o/c.

    But as said previously there are concerns with the envy 14 cooling system which is only one sided. I doubt it will be overclockable by more than a couple of 100hz at peak frequency because heat will be an issue. That said 430m to 520m or 520m to 540m should be easily reached. If the cooling system is good enough for HP to give 620m as an option I guess 540m => 620m will be possible.

    But there again, the perf gain between a 520m and a 620m is rather small, and if you want a lot more 3D power, its easier and way more performance productive to overclock the graphic card instead of the CPU. (Rivatuner does wonder for that, it only overclocks the graphic card when you're in the game, a Alt-Tab or anything and you're back to stock/standby frequencies.)
     
  2. Bulldog87

    Bulldog87 Notebook Guru

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    I thought that HP was going to offer I7-720 quad core and not the 620m?
     
  3. ademmer

    ademmer Notebook Consultant

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    I hope so, did not found anything which sais otherwise.

    Yes, you are right, I forgot to add. But since Yingiz Cashback inherits to the person who invited you (which was my wife actually :D), I will earn another 7% of the 5%:

    1.299 EUR price
    -5% HP coupon
    =1.234,05 EUR
    - 0,76 * 5% Yingiz cashback (41,34)
    Total: 1.192,71 EUR

    I know, this is not terribly much discount, but better than nothing. :)

    Here is an even cheaper store: http://www.aibach.com/_fenster.php?...&sortierung_hersteller=&sortierung_kategorie= (1.188,95 with shipping costs)

    But I prefer to buy directly from HP for easier service afterwards (at least I hope so).
     
  4. zeth006

    zeth006 Traveler

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    Dang it. At this rate, it looks like we initial buyers are going to be the guinea pigs.

    I'm doubtful a 21-day return period will be enough to discover all the bugs and problems. A 3-year warranty with HP only helps things out somewhat.
     
  5. one33_bpm

    one33_bpm Notebook Consultant

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    The slice comes with a power adapter?!? Where did you get this information? Is this power adapter the same one that comes standard w/ the laptop w/o the slice?
     
  6. Butr0sButr0s

    Butr0sButr0s Notebook Evangelist

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    He/she means "since the computer comes with a power adapter standard, I would rather get a slice battery to add functionality rather than a second power cord".

    For me, I usually buy a second power cord because I transport my system from home to work every day. The adapter is actually fairly bulky and heavy, so it cuts down on back strain if I can leave one plugged in at home and one at the job.
     
  7. ademmer

    ademmer Notebook Consultant

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    Exactly my use case! Not only transporting it is unconvenient (I carry my notebook around in a neoprene sleeve) but I also hate crawling beneath my desk to plug the power cord in each day.
     
  8. Fat Dragon

    Fat Dragon Just this guy, you know?

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    There's the rub. If it's not going to be a long-term battery killer, I'm thinking I'll keep the charger at home and run the computer off of battery power at work - typically no more than 2-3 hours of use a day there, the rest in sleep mode. Anyone know how something like that would affect the long-term battery life?
     
  9. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    I also just confirmed my order.. I didnt take the Yingiz cashback, frankly I dont understand the system too well.
    So my price is 1234€, nice round number.
    Lets see when this baby arrives. I will post a unpacking video and some first review as soon as I have it.
     
  10. zeth006

    zeth006 Traveler

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    Any news on when it'll ship?
     
  11. ademmer

    ademmer Notebook Consultant

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    HP sais within 4 weeks, cyberport.de sais "available from july 1st" and a third shop sais "week 27", which is the week after july 1st. So I guess the Germans will be lucky to hold this baby in hands in the first few days of july. :)
     
  12. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    My phone guy said they expect the laptops to arrive somewhere between the 28th to the 4th... Add a day or three (weekend) of shipping from Stuttgart and you have beginning of second week in July.
     
  13. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

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    From my past experience, I buy the CPU and/or GPU that will offer the performance that I want and OC is only a bonus. Ran into too many issues expecting to get faster speeds that had detrimental effects on the system (faster fan/noise, higher heat, instability, lack of ability to OC either BIOS limited or unlucky CPU, etc).

    But if they offer the i7-620m, I'll jump on that. I don't want the quad mainly for temperature and battery life.
     
  14. zeth006

    zeth006 Traveler

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    12 days...the finish line is in sight. Come on, turtle!

    [​IMG]
     
  15. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    I just got an answer of my HP contact and he told me monday the 28.06.2010 as the estimated arrival date for the first ENVY 14 Shipment to Germany.

    Just to keep everyone informed. So, a bit over two weeks until I can hope to have it! Yay!
     
  16. ademmer

    ademmer Notebook Consultant

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    Damn, I just cannot wait to get my hands on it! They should call it "Eagerness" rather than "Envy".. ;-)
     
  17. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    Lets see who of us gets it first^^.
    However, I hope its faster than the Envy 17 deliveries recorded in the Owners Lounge.


    Anyways, whats the best way to connect the Envy 14 to old VGA projectors? I will do a few presentations with it..
    Can I use a HDMI - VGA cable or is the use of Mini-DisplayPort better? Where do I get non Apple adapters? I was googling around but didnt find much Info..

    By the way, the Envy 14 is available in even more countries for preorder, specifically in Taiwan:
    http://www.techbang.com.tw/posts/2655-hp-envy-reinstall-listed-in-taiwan
    There are two preconfigured Versions of the Envy 14, the HP ENVY 14-1011TX and HP ENVY 14-1012TX
    As I will be in Taiwan, I am keeping an eye on this one..
    What I dont understand is the 2 GB RAM in the entry model...
     
  18. lagitup

    lagitup Notebook Consultant

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    Other than the com suite, it seems like 430 vs 520 is pretty much a wash?
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/typo3temp/pics/650ef6bf0e.gif
     
  19. derpderp

    derpderp Notebook Evangelist

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    HDMI to vga cables cost a lot (100$+ HD fury cables)
    Generic minidisplay port to VGA adaptater are cheaper and easier to set up :
    Amazon.com: Mini DisplayPort to VGA Female Adaptor for Mac:…
     
  20. derpderp

    derpderp Notebook Evangelist

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    Just wow on taiwan prices, less than price 10% difference for i7 QM over i5, +2gb of ram and slice battery ? just wow altough 1,857.36 USD = 59.000 Taiwan dollars :p
     
  21. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    Worse yet, they don't offer an I7-620M. The fastest dual core offered on the Envy 14 is the I5-540M. If you look at the DV6 CTO, the upgrade from the I5-520M to the I5-540M is $100. From the I5-430M is $150.

    Bronsky :cool:
     
  22. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    Sounds like what I am looking for.. Just I havent found if they are compatible with the Envy 14.. I wrote a question to my HP Germany sales agent, maybe he can find out..
     
  23. erathostenes

    erathostenes Notebook Consultant

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    I am also a bit confused, 2GB is very little, especially with the advanced processor..
    Then the slice battery together with the higher end model? :eek:
    Doesnt make a lot of sense..
     
  24. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    The Acer 3820TG owners who have I5-430M processors in their units have been trying to OC the CPU with SetFSB. What they need is the the clockgen to use in setfsb or the dev to support it. I'm assuming that your friend's computer would have the same chipset as the Acer. Does your friend have this information? If so, would you pass it along. I'm sure the Acer owners would be very grateful.

    Bronsky :cool:
     
  25. derpderp

    derpderp Notebook Evangelist

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    I'll ask him next time I see him ^^ I'll pm you with the solution. From what I know he just told me he used the registered version of SetFSB and he worked it by incremental stepping.

    http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/

    When I check setfsb updates I see they added a support for G73 recently, maybe if you manage to find out what chipset is respetively the acer and the asus G73 you can work it out on the acer using the G73 clockgen of setfsb.
    Personally I think the clockgen of another laptop similar in ram speed motherboard chipset and cpu fsb would work any way. But by contacting the dev of setfsb and giving him the ref of the PLL chipset he could just add to the program the perfectly accurate clockgen that goes with it. With the read FSB function you can check if using a close clockgen gives accurate specs of your laptop. If it does read properly your current clocks chances are this clockgen will work for little overclockings.
     
  26. bolt.pt

    bolt.pt Notebook Evangelist

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    Is it also possible to undervolt these CPUs? I'd love to get some more battery time from it, as I've done in the past with a C2D T8600.

    I think I'd gained around 30m of battery time by then, on a notebook that lasted around 2h it was really great !
     
  27. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    I know that you can.. but I don't know how to do so. Also, theres other ways to conserve battery life.
    Oh yeah. And if you have a laptop that lasts 2 hours and 30 minutes, you'll (hopefully) be surprised on the battery life on the Envy 14. It better be 6-7 hours like they advertised. At least 4-5 please.
     
  28. bolt.pt

    bolt.pt Notebook Evangelist

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    Oh, but undervolting is a power-saving feature that doesn't have any impact on performance. Plus, it can be done along with all other power-saving features.

    Edit: It seems that Intel has locked us out from undervolting on the i-core series, which is a shame.

    Oh well, at least the CPU-life is still decent.
     
  29. Bulldog87

    Bulldog87 Notebook Guru

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    Is this radiance display going to be better than those available for the other Envy's? It says the radiance is 82% gamut while the E15 is 60% and 72% for E17
     
  30. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    I read that somewhere.. I forget where. My guess is yes.
    EDIT: YouTube - HP ENVY 14 and ENVY 17 hands-on, in 5:40, he states "..this is not a radiance display but a ultrabright, so its not quite at this level (Envy 14)..." Again, my guess is yes.

    PS: I have a question to all. In the video, YouTube - HP Envy 14, at 1:27, he says "we've also added the back lit keyboard, both of this into the Envy 15 at customer request." I think this was mentioned in the past 200+ pages in this thread, but he meant to say Envy 17, right?
     
  31. ExodusC

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    Yes, unless there is a refresh of the Envy 15 coming, which is probable...
     
  32. aniym

    aniym Notebook Guru

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    The Envy 15 and 13 are being discontinued. It would not make sense to keep 4 different Envy models on the market, as it would dilute the brand's value, even though people like me would prefer a 13 over the 14.
     
  33. L3vi

    L3vi Merry Christmas!

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    The Envy 15 isn't being discontinued, it's being refreshed. The Envy 13 is the only laptop of the Envy line being discontinued.
     
  34. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    If a fixed HD webcam and back lit keyboard is added, I might go for it.. Darn you HD 5830.. why can't you be in the Envy 14!!
     
  35. Justos

    Justos Notebook Evangelist

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    Im not waiting any longer for a refresh of the envy 15! so 14 works
     
  36. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    Thats what I was thinking too. I'm tired of waiting. When was the refresh for the USB 3.0 and HD 5830 announced in the Envy 15?
     
  37. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    Oh my gosh.
    I refuse to wait any longer for the 15, and a bit less power sooner seems like a compromise I'm willing to make
     
  39. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    Not sure about that horse crap but the Envy looks bad-a*sssss.
     
  40. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    GET ON MY HORSE! I'LL TAKE YOU ROUND THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES TOO!
     
  41. Late666

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    Gah.. Awful demo!
    Don't they know nerds like us don't care about watching the laptop rotates while horses and cameras and people doing stuff suddenly appear out of no where?
    We want to see it run Bad Company 2!
    And Crysis!
    And GTA!
    ..
    And Gears of War!
    ....

    Damnit, don't argue, just make it happen!
    And benchmarks. We love benchmarks!

    Oh yeah, and we want to see how strong and durable the aluminum/magnesium is.. So, like, drive over it, or something...

    And temps.
    We need temps from the GPU, CPU, HDD, we need to know how hot mousepad gets, the keyboard, the ODD, and temp checks of all the ports.. Just to be safe.

    So, uh, you guys go do that.
    Don't come back until you're done.

    Don't worry, we'll still be here.
     
  42. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    mrzieman Notebook Guru

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    Hahaha. Hilarious. I so concur. +rep for the smile value :D
     
  44. nexus14

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    ? were they trying to sell horses?
     
  45. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    Yeah, you get one free with your purchase of the Envy 14. Colors may vary. While supplies last!
     
  46. E30kid

    E30kid Notebook Deity

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    That horse placement made no sense to me, at all. The rest was logical though.
     
  47. iofthestorm

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    Well, it doesn't have an impact on performance, but it can still cause issues. Lowering the voltage lowers the switching speed of the transistors and if you lower it too much the switching time becomes longer than the clock rate and bad things happen :p. But luckily this goes away if you reboot usually. Undervolting is exactly the same as overclocking in terms of running the CPU/transistors out of spec, but people think it's safer for some reason. I guess it is safer though because you're most likely lowering the power/heat dissipation (although I'm not sure whether the lower switching speed might increase consumption a tiny bit).

    Funny things, the more I learn about hardware the less I am inclined to tinker with my own hardware. :confused:

    Oh, and for the guy looking for adapters for HDMI to VGA:

    http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10428#1042801

    The displayport to VGA should work for you. Note that because HDMI and Displayport are all digital signals, you need an ADC to convert the signal to analog VGA, which is why these converters are more expensive than the $2 or $3 DVI<-->HDMI and Displayport<-->HDMI adapters.

    Does the Envy 14 have both Displayport and HDMI? I can't remember if it does.

    Oh, it's mini displayport. In which case you want this:

    http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5107&seq=1&format=2
     
  48. Jolly Roger

    Jolly Roger Notebook Geek

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    I was expecting like horsepower or some sort like that.
     
  49. Justos

    Justos Notebook Evangelist

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    thats what i was thinking, "power"

    either way, 11 days~
     
  50. ECKS

    ECKS Notebook Prophet

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    So you know how people are speculating about the ENVY 14's cooling? What's the word on the previous models' cooling (13, 15, 17)?
     
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