*HP Envy 15 (11XX / 12XX series) Owners Lounge!*

son of a .. i got G1's...bull !!!

btw thanks bigcat400 but now im sad.. op, time for a return!

 

sorry to hear that. Considering HP's return policy, I would also keep returning until I get G2s

 

Just out of curiosity, since I dont have SSD yet, does it also show the model number using the Support Assistant. Like I said just curious

 

Nope, not when in RAID0, none of your suggested ways to get the P/N will work.

 

Is there a chance he may have G2 and not know it yet? Maybe if he unraids he'll find out?

 

He did find out he has g1's. You have to use the intel software to get the actual p/n. I was responding to 'Bratboys' post who suggested 3 incorrect ways to try and get the p/n.

Keep in mind that if you keep RAID0 having g1's really isn't an issue since TRIM does not work in RAID configurations.

 

Are there still heat issues? I've been reading conflicting reports of heat issues being solved after bios update.

Also, how often does hp issue coupon codes? There is a 200 dollar one, and I am considering buying an envy, but have other bills I should really pay first. Are coupons like this common? I know there is a Bing coupon, but I would prefer not to use it, as I've heard many horror stories about it being rejected 2 months later and not being able to return the laptop.

Thanks, envy owners.

 

It's just so hard to decide for me if I should get the dual g1's in raid (no trim) or go with one 160gb g2 w/trim for about the same price.

 

On the i7 how easy is it to install two sticks of RAM in the slots by the battery?

 

Well still good to know. Those ways will work with platter drives so it was only a guess.

 

yea, if people didnt get it from my second post, thanks to bigcat400's suggestion, i was able to find out that they were indeed G1's. i called hp, gave them one heck of a pissed off rant. they offered me -$250 additional discount, on top of the -$50 coupon and -$107 discount i already got for my order. just an fyi, i ordered the i7 820, 4 gigs of ram and the other usual top options -- with 2x 160 ssd drives, obviously. anyway, after about 3 hours of being switched around and yelling at every single one of them, from white ladies, men, to indian ladies and men -- i refused the -$250 discount offer and requested my situation to be escalated so that a product manager would deal with it. the premise of myself being mad is not because i did not get sweet ssd g2 drives that are selling on ebay for $550++ a pop; i did it because i was looking to buy a top of the line, ultra thin, desktop replacement, and ultimately have it be relatively future proof. when i did my month long research on which laptop i should drop 2.7k on, i called hp multiple times to make sure that gen 2 envy 15's were being shipped with g2 100%. i was reassured by 2 hp tech supports, 4 hp envy specialists, and 1 envy 15 tech specialist [this guy was awesome, he actually took apart an envy 15 he had around and looked at the drives]. so obviously, after all the positive feedback on the ssd's being g2 and not g1, i got to ordering and was extremely excited... well, you guys know the rest. as of now, i am just playing around with it, overclocking it and what not. i am still trying to install the 10.3 ati beta drive -- i am not sure i did it correctly because my catalyst driver doesnt even show up in ccc.

ps. the envy 15 tech specialist told me that if one were to open the laptop to install memory [the ones located inside of the notebook, not exposed via battery hatch], a warranty seal will be broken -- so i would think twice about doing that. basically removing the keyboard and what not [the only way to actually open it up] it has been fool proofed to expose the people messing with it as it will sever the warranty sticker latch and cannot be restored.

-oh and about the dd3 memory being switched to 1066hz, this is due to 1333hz being "unstable" with the gen envy 15 build -- as i have been told. this is strange because they told me anything from 4-8 gigs will be 1066hz and the 16gigs will be 1333hz; something about 16gigs of ram compensates for the instability of whatever they were pulling out of there asses as an excuse, thats why only the 16gigs option will ship with 1333hz

 

Well your 'Awsome' tech specialist was pretty stupid if he had to open up the machine to tell you what drives were inside, all you need to do is run the intel matrix or rapid storage software.

Secondly, there is no "warranty sticker" ! Anyone who tells you this is full of crap. I have opened all 3 of the the envy's I've had and there are no stickers anywhere. Even if there were 'sticker seals' please show me anyplace in the warranty, product documentation, warning labels or even the HP website that states you will void warranty by openeing the chassy.

As for the 1333 memory being 'unstable' ? Another false statement, the i7 quads memory controller is designed for up to 1333 DDR3, while the i5's controller is capable of using 800 or 1066. I am running 1333 (4GB x 2) on my i5 540m and they work great (they just clock down to 1066), not to mention as far as I can tell my machine seems to be one of the most stable envy 15's around if the benchmarks are any indication.

I understand your frustration with getting the g1 drives but keep in mind that in RAID0 configuration you will not see any significant performance difference over the g2 versions.

 

wow, well okay, if thats the case ill just pretend i'm still pissed about the g1 and g2 situation and bring up the whole memory thing too. maybe telling them i'd rather get a refund and spend my money elsewhere would make them reconsider the instability of 1333hz and the bullcrap they pulled with the ssd. anyway, thanks for your input jjb, did not think anyone was awake to respond to my post. oh and me calling him "awesome", it was purely sarcasm.. if anything all of hp customer service reps are borderline retarded.

 

Yeah, it's an hour earlier here than the rest of the west coast.

Good luck with your 'battle' with hp.

 

In the UK they only come with a 500gb drive so my question :
Could i add a 2nd drive thinking about SSD for the OS and then use the 500 for apps, games and everything

I have seen some with 2 drives, are they both the 1.8inch? or could i use 1 x 2.5 and 1 x 1.8 - that possible?

i dont want 2 SSD - yeah performance but i need the space more then the performance

 

I used the Bing coupon...the money's already waiting for me to claim. I used the coupon two nights ago, and got confirmed for the cash back within fifteen minutes.

 

How do you find the product number of your Envy? (basically, I want to download the new bios, but not sure which product number matches that of my laptop)

 

Is it true about the 8 GM RAM only being 1066? That wouldn't make much sense to me.

 

Anyone can help me with this? :\

 

2 x 1.8" maximum or 1 x 2.5"

 

Yes, the Bing cashback program works great. I have used it for at least 6 online purchases. For most sites you can actually combine the Bing with promotion coupons. That being said, two warnings:


- Make sure you login to Bing prior to using just to be safe
- HP has a disclaimer on Bing's website stating it can't be combined with any other promotion (including company discount sites)

So with HP you can't combine promotions. You need to decide if EPP, Bing, Ebates, or a coupon code is best. Choose the best one, but only one.

 

Ususally, using the link from Bing itself is quite helpful.

 

As far as I know the f .17 is the most current BIOS available for download from HP. Check the first page of main envy owners lounge thread for link.

The amount of RAM has nothong to do with what speed it should be as all RAM in any PC will run at the speed of the slowest in the system. In real world use you won't notice any difference between 1066 and 1333 performance, If I recall correctly it's like a 3% max gain on certain benchmarks.

 

So if you get 2x160 GB SSDs, it actually comes in RAID0? That's surprising - I'd figure they wouldn't advertise 320GB if the system arrived with half that, even a very speedy 160GB.

 

so the people that have 2 drives have 2 x 1.8inch
where can i buy them?
How much for a good 500gb 1.8 inch drive?
how much for SSD 1.8inch drives?

 

2x160GB RAID0 is indeed ~320GB

 

I don't think there is a 500GB 1.8" drive. I remember reading that 320GB is currently the biggest it can go for that size.

 

then its pointless considering the price i would rather have 1 x 500gb 2.5 rather then 2 x 320gb 1.8 and they seem to cost alot more thne 2.5inch drives

 

D'oh. was thinking of the wrong RAID.

What are the advantages of taking them out of RAID0, then? TRIM if you've got G2? Anything else?

 

I wasn't able to find one. If I recall the 1.8's I did find were smaller capacity and the rpm was lower 5400 vs 7200.

 

Unless you sold the ssds...I am not, but others have. I may sell one, but definitely not both. I prefer performance and have extenal drives anyway.

 

Bing 20% might be gone. It is back to 5% now. Can't seem to find the 20% anymore

 

Yup, it looks like it's back down to 5%.

 

I won't go into the whole speed issue of SSD/HDD, thats been covered a lot. What I will mention is if you think your going to want some of the SSD speed then the drives are cheaper if you order them with the computer as opposed to buying the drives retail. I don't know if its available in the UK but in US they do have one option thats a combination of SSD & HDD which isn't much smaller total space wise. That way you would start out having the drive cage needed for 2 1.8 drives installed in case you decide to swap out the HDD for some new bigger 1.8 SSD or remove completely for a 2.5 one down the road.

 

Does anyone know, what the different model Numbers mean?
E.g.: 15-1110, 15-1170, 15-1190 eg?
The 1170 is sold in Switzerland with a Combo of SSD and HD.
But what is the Difference between 1110 (UK) and 1190 (listed on HP Germany)? Seems both of them have a 500 GB HD...

 

unfortunately the UK model isnt configuable and doesnt come with any other hard drive. how does it work with 1 2.5 drive and 1 1.8inch drive? i keep hearing that its either the one of other and that you cant mix them

 

If I recall, there is a mounting bracket for the 2.5.

 

My envy has been shipped although the tracking isn't active yet.

Original date given was March 8th but was shipped today. I have 2 day shipping so hopefully it will come before the end of the weekend.

 

Like I answered you earlier, you can only have 1 x 2.5" drive or 2 x 1.8" drives. No other way to do it. Why do you keep repeating the same questions?

 

As JJB has told you, you get either 1 x 2.5 or 2 x 1.8's. The HDD's are smaller gig wise and slower RPM I believe in the 1.8 form factor. There isn't space to have both a 2.5 and a 1.8 installed at the same time. Thats why, on the US site, if you want to go with one of each type of drive you get less total storage max.

 

Becuase what he said :

Might have misunderstood but to me that sounded like 1 x 1.8 and 1 x 2.5
did you mean they are both 1.8inch?

 

Nope you misunderstood, sorry I don't always express myself well. Anyway thats why I said:

"That way you would start out having the drive cage needed for 2 1.8 drives installed"

If you just go with the 2.5 drive now and later want to go with 2 smaller SSD's you would have to buy a bracket from HP which you would already have if you can get the combo SSD/HDD option. Not to mention the SSD's cost more retail than if you get 1 or 2 now with your build.

 

JJB can probably elaborate, I guess it's just TRIM. I don't care about TRIM so I kept the RAID. Intel will probably support RAID trim at some point.

RAID0 also calls for more frequent backups.

Other than, RAID0 is a controversial topic as you probably know, so you'll find tons of people in favor, and tons of people against it. Lots of info on the web about it.

 

Right okay now i understand
shame the UK model doesnt come with the Bracket needed otherwise i might have upgraded (in the future) to 2 x 256gb SSD

 

I'm hoping to see some better prices/larger SSD's and then I will consider upgrading from my HDD to SSD, if I don't get a new laptop that already has them before then.

EDIT: Have you called that number on the UK HP site? It mentions something about calling for possible options. Maybe by phone you can order one that has the 1.8 SSD and 1.8 HDD by phone and then you would have the bracket. IIRC I think the combo setup gives you something like 410 gigs total storage but not sure without looking it up so its not really that much less space. I went with the 500 gig simply because there are 2 of us using my Envy and we both muck about with a lot of large files for school. If its just you then the 90 gigs missing you might not notice compared to the speed of the SSD.

 

Go got the SSD / HDD option I have

1x160GB SSD + 1x250GB HDD

eheh and later swap out the HDD with SSD if you like.

 

its annoying the UK version doesnt have SSD option
what price looking for fr a 256gb SSD be?

 

There is currently no 256GB drive made by intel and I don't believe anyone makes a 1.8" SSD larger than intels 160GB which is what HP is using. The 1.8" 160GB intel g2 goes for at least $450 USD (if you can find stock).

 

so would be looking for $700+ for when they release the 256gb versions

 

Who knows ? Answering that would be pure speculation just like your post. Maybe you should go ask these questions on the SSD thread....