*HP Envy 15 Owners Lounge! PART 1*

Thanks.

This really makes no sense, how can the computer have a clue as to what is plugged into it? It would have to sense a voltage drop on the input or output of the voltage regulation circuitry, this would not happen unless you were at or over the 90W level. Are you sure the 90W adapter has the same DC output voltage as the 120W envy adapter?

I'll test for the same thing when I get my i5 version next week.

 

I found something wierd. In theory the 5830 should be a little faster than the 4830 right?. Few days ago I was checking notebookcheck and yup the 5830 says that was a little faster (Nope no benchmarks numbers, it was pure theory based on stream processors and those stuff) but now check this out
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5830.24733.0.html
At the right side on class 1 cards list see the 4830 right at the bottom.
Well the 5830 now its BELOW!!! the 4830 :S thats really wierd.
And if im right someone post some benchmarks results and those weren't too good if i'm honest
And before today the notebookcheck page showed that the 5830 was up in the list even upper than the GeForce GTS 360M, and I was very happy with that position
Seems I was hoping for too much

 

HP's connector has three wires: As far as I understand, the central pin ("Smart Pin" in marketing speak) communicates the maximum output of the unit.

 

That explains things. I didn't really take a close look at the connector on my 1st envy.

I wonder if there is a way to disable the signal circuit? And what happens with aftermarket adapters? Do they all have a signal that communicates via the central pin?

 

Damn, I was hoping the 5830 would be an improvement over the 260m which is in my current notebook.

 

Ugh all this news about the multiplier is really disappointing. At this point, I'm keeping my order open until I see what Apple has to next Wednesday. Hopefully the rumored Macbook Pro refresh drops. If not, I may just completely drop out of buying a new notebook since it doesn't seem like there's anything out there that fits all my needs in the form factor I want.

 

Most likely this might be a mistake. The position is approximate anyways, look at the asterisk next to it.

 

I'm in the same boat as you. The Envy 15 is looking very half-assed to me now and the MBP won't be anywhere near as price competitive as the Envy 15 with coupons, so I'm going to see what Apple offers and then decide whether to ship the Envy back to HP and get a MBP or just continue using my desktop.

 

The extra 160 SP's should make a difference.

Not too much, but the 5830 should be better than the 4830...

 

Yup I know that the asterisk its that its just an approximate, but why now its below the 4830 and way low than it was just yesterday? does notebookcheck already tested one or just based on numbers they put the 5830 that way low
Just the time will show us the true performance about this card
I still have a lot of faith on this new graphics card , not the super ultra performance but well, at least better than the 4830 for sure

 

Hmm, seems like the "Estimated build date" on HPs website has jumped backwards almost 20 days in the last twenty four hours...Not a good sign in my humble opinion.

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Awaiting i5 540...Estimated Delivery 1/18/10

 

Ouch. Mine better ship on 1/26 like the HP rep told me yesterday.

 

Didn't your order status always say that? Mine as said Estimated to ship on January 19, 2010 since I made the order.

 

Sorry, let me clarify. My order still says Jan 18th ship date, and HP has informed me (via telephone) that they expect my new shipping date to be 1/26/10. However, I have been paying attention to the Estimated build dates on HP.com for i5 and i7 Envy's and HP has been stating that the estimated build dates were early Feb for brand new orders. Suddenly, the new build ship date is back to almost the end of February, which usually indicates a part shortage. And considering that not a single person has received a refreshed laptop (excluding the LEs)....I have a bad feeling that come 1/26/10 we are going to be receiving emails saying "new estimated build date February 22, 2010"

 

Based on the vantage score provided couple pages ago, the 5830 will perform very similar to 260M GTX which is not a bad thing at all. Considering the size and weight of the notebooks that carries the 260M, this laptop is an improvement over 4830. Do not look at notebookcheck's line up. The also say single 280M GTX is better than SLI 980M GT which is not true at all.

 

It will not be the case, don't worry.

 

Hey everyone.

I have just now encountered a problem. I from time to time get a blue screen showing error message: drivers_irql_not_less_or_equal and stop error 0x000000D1. It seems to come very ramdom and i wonder if anyone have had the same problem with their Envys? I have the "first" modell..i7 720, ati 4830, 4g ram, 320 72000 hdd.

Anyone have any idea what could be wrong?

 

5830 has 800, 4830 has 320. Its more than double. But same bandwidth and slower DDR3...

 

Maybe the issue with where the 5830 is positioned has to do with them not having any official benchmarks of it yet. Perhaps its position will change once they actually get some to test <crosses fingers>

 

The 4830 has 640 shaders, while the 5830 has 800 shaders. That's a 25% increase, but it's performance is still bottlenecked by the low memory bandwidth.

 

Hey just a quick question hope it hasn't been answered yet.

With the i5 multiplier locked at x9 how fast does the Envy 15's 540m run in comparison to a current core2duo when not connected to a power source?

 

Thanks, I forgot there.

On other news, did you see on NotebookCheck? The 5830 is considered below the 4830...strange, isnt it? http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

 

I'm just now catching up with new activity in this thread, but man, you nailed it right on the head! I've been thinking this the entire time. Repping you for this.

 

yup I posted that and its very strange

But I think that its because of their core speed and their shader speed in numbers the 4830 its a little faster on those but the 5830 its faster on Memory Speed

4830= -Core Speed: 550Mhz -Shader Speed: 550Mhz -Memory Speed: 700Mhz

5830= -Core Speed: 500Mhz -Shader Speed: 500Mhz -Memory Speed: 800Mhz

I guess that notebookcheck are using those numbers to put the 5830 below the 4830

But dont forget that the 5830 like it sayed before has 25% more Stream Processors

We just need to see some real benchmarks to see how it performs the 5830

 

IF it uses GDDR3, then I am selling mine and reordering...lol

 

I thought I read somewhere that the 5830 is indeed GDDR3.

 

What does the original model Envy use, the 4830? The 5830 is limited by ATI to only use GDDR3 at most. The chip physically cannot use anything else.

 

"DDR3/GDDR3 memory interface"
On the same link.

My 4830 uses DDR3. Your 5830 most likely does too. But I would love GDDR3.

 

Unrelated question to GPUs.

What is the part number for the slice battery? I might be ordering one soon as a little "Three Kings' Day" Gift...for me

 

Ahh... I thought you were talking about GDDR5.

 

That link lsits the following:

Memory clock speed: 800 MHz DDR3/GDDR3
Memory data rate: 1.6 Gbps DDR3/GDDR3
Memory bandwidth: 25.6 GB/sec

 

If price in France is anywhere close to pricing here in Sweden then you might want to reconsider... it's listed at 3000 SEK, almost 300 euro.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/se/sv/ho/WF06c/A1-329290-329223-329260-329260-4021448-4021452.html

EDIT: Yep 249 euro.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/fr/fr/ho/WF06c/A1-329290-329223-329260-329260-4021448-4021452.html

 

Slice p/n = 576834-001

 

Ouf.. that is alot. I am waiting for a compensation offer from HP in sweden because my AC adapter was broken when the computer arrived and i didn't get a new one so i could use my envy until 6 weeks(!) later. I asked about the slice battery and he would look into that and get back to me next week. Now when I have seen the price, i am veeeeeery doubtful that he will offer the slice to me . My guess is that the offer will be Hp all in one printer, anyone from sweden want to bet against?

 

I don't think they even imported any slices yet, it's been listed as out of stock since October.

 

Here is another mystery with the 4830. My i7's 4830 was clocked (from HP?) at 400Mhz Core and 700Mhz Memory with DDR3. I remember noticing this when I got very poor 3DMark06 results compared to what others posted. I compared this to the screen shots on page 1 of thread:

This 4830 was clocked at 425 / 800 with GDDR3.

This seems stranger now that you posted the 550 / 700 numbers from ATI. Is ATI making these changes or is it HP (maybe due to initial heat issues?). What I take from this is we really don't know what were going to see on the i5 / 5830models until we get production units in hand. I just hope they don't further 'cripple' the i5 version by reducing the GPU speeds or memory type over the i7 version.....

 

Doesn't the selected power plan affect GPU clocks?

 

Battery test:
6-cell plus slice, dimmest display setting, wireless off, power saver plan.
Total time until hibernate 5 hrs 45 minutes.

 

In the HP Envy 15, the 4830 used GDDR3. The refresh with the 5830 uses GDDR3.

There will be no change in that regard.

 

It will be the vendor that is limiting the speeds. This really is not unusual as the individual vendors of course need to balance everything out in final construction of the notebook.

 

My poor wallet. 250? That thing is wrong! I can get a side laptop for that...almsot...

 

My GPUz reading...it does say GDDR3, but earlier this thread, HP said DDR3 only...im confused with that GPUz reading, it is not recognizing my GPU/

 

gpu-z is not always 100% accurate.

The only real way is to open up your system and get the numbers off the actual chips

 

The only people who have gotten their orders were those who ordered the Beats edition. That would make me assume they are waiting to get more of the regular aluminum/magnesium chassis. Either that or they are fulfilling the more expensive orders first. Or it had something to do with their discontinuing of the limited edition model recently.

 

My clocks stayed the same in 'performance' and 'recommended' plans and CCC 'max performance' setting.

 

Okay 2 thing's:

1. I can't recall who it was but someone did get one with the Matte screen. Could that person post if it has that lines issue earlier versions of the 15 had?

2. As far as the clocks on the 5830 go. ATI says 500/700 but from what I've seen in screenshots here it looks like their, HP that is, is setting the clocks lower. Is that correct and if so has anyone tried to use ATI's CCC overdrive to adjust the clocks up to spec?

 

My GPUz readings definately showed the slower speeds (400/700) and DDR3 not GDDR3, can't provide screen shot because I returned it. Now that I think about it this could explain why I could not get stable O.C. speeds as high as others were reporting...

My build date was 12/12/09, would be curious to see if any others have same speeds with this or later buld dates....

 

Mine was ordered 12/10/2009...first batch ever

 

Is it possible to upgrade graphics memory?

 

Probably not since the chip and memory for it, as I understand it are on the MB not as an add-in card. Guess it would depend on if the mem chip is soldered to the board or in a socket on the board