*HP HDX 9000 DRAGON Owners Lounge, Part 2*

Is it this one sp36770, or is there a better one you know of?

 

It should work, running T8300 @ 2.6Ghz here. Voltage reduced to 1.100V (don't know if I can go any lower).

 

SP45222 would be a later one.

 

Same undervolting rules would apply. So use a program like Wprime or Ortho to stress it. That should let you know if you can go any lower. If it crashes or blue screens, you know you hit the limit.

 

Dom, You pulled the battery before moving the card, right? I assume you checked in the device manager that the network device was enabled after moving it to slot 1. You might have your computer scan for hardware changes. Then you will have to enter your security key again to get the 5300 to talk with your router. FYI. My 5300 was in slot 2 when I did the BIOS upgrade and it did not fry. I then moved it to slot 1 but had to go thru the steps above and all is OK. I did not have to change any drivers as 5300 drivers were installed by Windows update a long time ago.

 

So I ran the BIOS with the DUAL IDA and it installed fine. Did the throttlestop setup. Set CPU min to 100%. However, when I run WPrime, the Multiplier drops back to 2.5ghz or 12.5x multiplier - the CPU's original max. As soon as Wprime is finished, the CPU jumps up to 13-13.5x multiplier or 2.7ghz.

Was also able to set VID to 1.1v

Edit:

OK, it appears that you have to set DUAL IDA to 1 in the config file. Voltage is holding also @ 1.1v

Edit2:

It's all good now. Get about 2 to 2.25 secs faster on Wprime. WEI went from 6.1 to 6.3. Temps are normal. Works on reboot and wake from sleep.

I'll add this to the front page later on today. Well done Nando!

 

Don't recommend trying DIY ViDock unless your expresscard slot turns out to be port1 and can do a x2/x2E GTX4xx/HD68xx setup combining port1 (expresscard) + port2 (mPCIe). Either card will otherwise be be slower than your 8800M GTS in a x1 link. I'd guestimate x1E with an ATI card would still be slower than you 8800M GTS.

 

I tried installing wireless assistant and with or without it doesn't do/change anything. The 5300 shows up in the device manager except bluetooth module has a question mark.. it says the 5300 works..but no wifi networks come up.

I installed pdanet a few weeks ago..could that be it? No idea what the problem is ..

 

So it does work sweet. Since I downloaded it last night I guess I have the right version of the bios. Any way you could attach step by step directions on how to use Throttlestop like you did for Nvidias overclock proceedure please?

 

Yep, I'll do it later this evening.

 

Tried this and while it shows up in the device manager and even in change adapter settings in control panel it doesn't work. When I try to repair it in change adapter settings via control panel-networking, it can't fix it either. I added the 5300 driver frim intel when I first set up windows 7 to make sure it had the most updated version. I had it plugged up via ethernet as I always do and that at least works.

 

Sweet muchas gracias senior! Don't know what I did to my wifi and I don't want to think about what I may do to my could if I try overclocking without directions.

 

@2.0

In which way the behavior of the CPU clock in Battery? (EIST off)
Previously, the clock is yes to 6x (T9300) is limited.
As I understand the EIST is indeed only by reflash original bios switched.

 

Overclocking HDX9000 - ICS9LPRS501PGLF PLL The dualIDA is a nice free mod. 2.0 advised the HDX9000 uses a ICS9LPRS501PGLF PLL which is TME-locked. So could get further overclocking by applying a TME-unlock and/or FSLx PLL pinmod, summarized below. Consider a T9300 has been successfully dualIDA + PLL-pinmod overclocked to 3.6Ghz as shown by the M1330-T9300 example at http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...verclocking-methods-examples.html#post4998927 . A T8300 could theoretically go up to 3.4Ghz. The hardware modifications steps involved to do a HDX9000 PLL pinmod being: 1. Use Thaiphoon Burner or SPDTool to change the 333Mhz RAM CAS to be 6 to accomodate running a faster FSB. Better yet would be changing the complete 333Mhz SPTtable to be the same as a 400Mhz SPDtable entry. The RAM should have then have sufficient headroom to accomodate running at the slightly faster 444Mhz speed (@266Mhz PLL). 2. TME-unlock pinmod: Just attach one leg of a 33ohm resistor to the pad attached to PLL pin 4, the other leg of the resistor to the GND copper point just to the left of it. Then just confirm that TME _READBACK flag (registor 9 bit 6=0) in setfsb to confirm it's unlocked as shown in the left image here. Then use setfsb to overclock in 1Mhz increments up to the point of instability. 3. FSLx pinmod the PLL from 200->266Mhz: run a strong pull down resistor (eg: 33 ohm) from FSLB pin 57 to GND. 4. CPU likely needs more voltage using the VID4+Vss cpu pinmod as described below to give a stable overclock. In either case it would be recommended to find a resistor running off the PLL pin and tap that instead of trying to run wires on the tiny PLL legs.

ICS9LPRS501PGLF PLL details from the datasheet

Picture of the HDX9000 PLL/systemboard



We see that pin57 (FSLB) does have a resistor off it, making it very easy to disconnect the resistor and connect the PLL side track to GND to force 266Mhz PLL operation.


VID4+Vss CPU pinmod required

Based on ark.intel.com, the T9300 has a voltage range of 0.95V-1.25V, giving the VID table as shown below.



We see the RED VID4+Vss is all that you require. That would increase Throttlestop's 1.1125-1.25V listing by 0.2V to now actually be 1.3125-1.45. So you'd bootup at [email protected] and could then use Throttlestop to lower down to 1.1125 (which is really 1.3125V) once in Win7 if it's stable at that low level. That's plenty of overvolting range to get you a stable overclock at your highest multiplier.

All voltages b/w 0.95-1.10 will be unaffected since they already have VID4=0, so your battery life will be unaffected. Though you'll probably want to test for the highest stable multiplier at the lowest voltage to get best undervolted DC profile as well. Would require fine tuning because of the 200->266Mhz PLL overclock.

If you did a VID3+Vss mod, then the VID3 entries BLUE entries would see their voltage increase by 0.1V. I wouldn't anticipate you requiring such a mod.

 

The PLL package in the HDX is MLF. Would cutting pin 57(FSLB) and soldering it to pin 58(GND) do the trick?

 

Pin57 is on the TSSOP package. Yes, disconnecting pin57 from the rest of the circuit, then connecting it to GND (pin58) would get the PLL running at 266Mhz. So as long as the CPU, RAM and chipset can handle it, your T9300-2.5 would be running at 3.3Ghz at x12.5, or 3.6Ghz with Throttlestop's dualIDA mode at x13.5. The RAM would likely need the CAS altered as mentioned. 266Mhz operation has otherwise been successful on other 965PM/Santa Rosa systems shown in http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...verclocking-methods-examples.html#post4998927 .

 

Good deal. Looks like a mission for later this week. Just have to figure out how to use SPDTool to burn RAM to CAS 6.

 

Is it a square or rectangular PLL? You referred to the rectangular pinout but said it was a square package.

 

At this point, I'd delete all my wireless settings, do a complete shutdown/cold start, then try adding a new wireless network setting.

 

Right, my bad. Rectangular.

 

Dual-IDA Overclock and Non Whitelisted BIOS, F40E.

Modified BIOS created by the illustrious poster, NANDO4
(Based off original non-whitelisted BIOS created by TTAV134 from mydigitallife)

This BIOS will allow you to use any wifi card in mPCIe slot 1.

It will also allow you to overclock your Intel non-Extreme series processor like a T8300, T9300, T9500, etc., by adding an additional multiplier for an extra 8%-13% of processing power.

As an example, a (2.5Ghz)T9300 will O/C to 2.7Ghz.


So here's what's needed:

• Nando4's modded F40E BIOS : HP HDX 93xx_sp41251_SLIC21_no_whitelist_dualIDA.zip
  
• UncleWebb's ThrottleStop :
  http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...arket-upgrades/531329-throttlestop-guide.html (See his sig for latest version.)
  http://forum.notebookreview.com/win...on-ida-both-cores-core-2-duo.html#post6170629
  
• CPU-Z : CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting
  
• WPrime : Measure Computer Performance | wPrime Multithreaded Benchmark

STEP 1:

Install Nando4's modded BIOS. Simply unzip into a directory and run update.exe as administrator. Make sure you have no windowed programs running. ​

STEP 2:

After BIOS successfully installs (if it bricked, use recovery method- link on page 1), set processor minimum to 100% in power plan advanced settings. click on battery icon in taskbar and choose more power options. ​

STEP 3:

Extract ThrottleStop into a directory on your main drive and run it. Now close ThrottleStop down by right clicking on it in the taskbar and choosing exit. Just needed it to create a configuration file. Go into the ThrottleStop directory and open the configuration file. Scroll to the bottom and set DualIDA=1. Then save it.

Run ThrotleStop again. Check Set Multiplier. Use the up arrow button to select the maximum multiplier. Uncheck EIST. Then hit Turn on. Under Option, check DualIDA on start. ​

STEP 4:

Run CPU-Z to verify it works.​

STEP 5:

Run Wprime while CPU-Z is up to make sure it holds the highest multiplier.​

STEP 6:

If everything works, now it's time to lower the voltage to the CPU runs cool. Try 1.100v. Run Wprime 32M test. If that's good, Run Wprime 1024 test. If that went off without a hitch (no BSD) then you're done. You just need to set it up for permanent operation.​

LASTLY:

In options for Throttlestop, check "Start Minimized."
Now, go back into the ThrottleStop directory and rightclick on the executable file. Click make short cut. Name it whatever you like. Then drag that short cut link to the StartMenu and place it under the Start Up section so that you will boot up with Dual IDA enabled. ​

You should be all set. Enjoy!

 

I sense it's going to be a PITA to change the SAMSUNG M4 70T5663QZ3-CE6 RAM using SPDTool to CAS 6.

Figure a 6-6-6-18-24-53 should do it but can't figure out how to use this program.

 

I must have slept through the holidays or something.............wow!! NANDO4

I'll assume, 2.0, that by "PITA" you weren't speaking of a "people ingesting tasty animals"? Just to lob this out there: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/393027-pll-pinmod-overclocking-methods-examples-30.html#post5627067 (points straight to a Samsung tweak trial; though I have little doubt you've already perused). This one's just so I don't forget: http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=20349

 

LOL, yeah. Saw that but using SPDTool is not exactly intuitive. And the older version of Thaiphoon 6.3 doesn't run in win7 x64.

Wonder if I just drop PC2-6400 RAM with 6-6-6-18 timing in... would that do the trick? Hmmm...

 

Looky, even on sale! HP 16GB DDR2 SDRAM Memory Module - 16GB (2 x 8GB) - 800MHz DDR2-800/PC2-6400 - ECC - DDR2 SDRAM - 200-pin SoDIMM http://www.nextdaypc.com/main/products/details.aspx?PID=6914371&rsmainid=ND0130014

This would mean pagefile should be @ 24GB!! lol But 16GB RAM for the Dragon? Might as well enamor it with rhinestones!

Note: I do not know if this will work.

 

I've only recently been on the forums after weeks of hiatus when I stumbled on the discussion regarding the bios modding, so forgive my ignorance. Now, can I do this with my hdx9494nr t8100? If so, which modded bios version do I need to download? Thanks in advance....

 

Both will work with all HDXs.

Nando4's BIOS does both things: disables the whitelist and sets up DualIDA overclock.

 

Chipset for sure won't handle 16GB.

Overkiller...

 

Unfortunately 8GB (2x4) is the limit.

 

Temps went up ?

 

At 1.100V on a T8300 @ 2.6Ghz here, temps didn't rise.

 

I understand it runs all the time at 2.6ghz. EIST doesn't work.

 

Nope, no rise in temps.

 

2.0 thanks
t9300 is much cheaper then x9000. At 2.7ghz with 6mb is quite good for 8800m gts I think.

So the next aim is 280m

 

You can turn EIST on and off in Throttlestop

 

sorry for the question but I don't understand

We can OC the cpu and get one more Multiplier but it works for example for t9300 from 6 to 13,5 Multiplier?

 

When EIST is off, T9300 will run at 13.5 multiplier (2.7Ghz) constantly. But you can turn EIST on and then you are not longer overclocking your system.

If you meant: when overclock is on, it is running constantly at 2.7Ghz, you are right.

 

STEP 3:

Extract ThrottleStop into a directory on your main drive and run it. Now close ThrottleStop down by right clicking on it in the taskbar and choosing exit. Just needed it to create a configuration file. Go into the ThrottleStop directory and open the configuration file. Scroll to the bottom and set DualIDA=1. Then save it.

Extract as in create a folder on the root of the C drive or go into one of the Program Files folders and create a folder called Throttlestop and extract it into a folder in there? I tried just extracting all 10 files into the root without a folder and ran it and it didn't create another file with config at the end. Or does it effect one of the files that are already there. EDIT Ah got it.. it changes the ThrottleStop.ini file...I THINK I got it.. my badios.


Ok I did the two tests and it says I max out at 2693 at the 13.5 Multiplier mark. The scores were:

32M- 40.899 sec

1042M- 1232.754 sec

Any way to get it to go higher?

Wow now that I'm messing around with this setting it's certainly noticeably faster, much more zippy! This is awesome.. so I don't want to have this continually going at 2693 I guess right? I KNEW I could tell a difference between a 2.5 and 2.8 or even 2.6 or 2.7. I should check the EIST box no? Or will it get overheated and cause damage over time? I guess it won't automatically do the stepping for you with the EIST unchecked.. I don't think I yet understand the Benchmarks.. as far as what I'm hoping to see or what is bad.​

 

Could get 3.6Ghz by doing a PLL pinmod as described in Overclocking HDX9000 - ICS9LPRS501PGLF PLL.

 

Is this safe to do with a 2.5GHZ CPU? Also what would it bring a 2.8GHZ to if one did the PLL pinmod as described above...which makes my eyes crossed trying to understand it..lol. I adjusted the voltage and the scores were the same as I listed already.. I GUESS that means all is ok..? No BSOD or anything.

 

Running it at 2.7ghz full time is fine. Temps remain the same. Notice your idle hasn't come up?

When you are running Wprime are you running CPU-z Side by side? It looks like your scores are too high. Meaning, the 2.7 isn't holding and dropping back to 2.5.​

 

You don't need the PLL pin mod for a 2.8 and what's more, there isn't enough headroom voltage wise to go over 4ghz and remain stable. The X9000 runs stable at 3.6ghz which requires about 1.35 volts. The PLL mod will do 3.6ghz with the T9300 probably at the same voltage (1.35). However, since you are o/c the FSB and not just the multiplier like on the X9000, the RAM will also be running a little faster. Which would make the PLL mod a tiny bit faster than the X9000 using ThrottleStop.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

Hmm is there anything I can do to keep it at 2.7?

 

Thank you. Wow if I could get 3.4ghz using this without damaging the HDX that would be amazing! And without having to buy an X9000! Now if I can figure out what this all exactly means.

 

If it's safe to have it run at 3.6GHZ? If so could you pretty please do a step by step for how to do the Pin Mod as well? I thought that overclocking the fsb could lead to burning out USB ports or something else if I recall? If it could risk burning or ruining anything I wouldn't want to try it, in that case I'd love to be able to just keep it consistently at 2.7GHZ.. though 3.4.. with a 9300... Getting basically $400-$500 of performance without having to pay extra for it via a new CPU would be utterly amazing! A tiny bit faster than an X9000? Lol this is insane news man.

 

It's not going to be easy. I'm working on it now. Biggest hurdle is modding the RAM BIOS to CAS 6 for 444mhz operation.

 

Yeah, there is. But you would have to backtrack what you did. As long as EIST is not checked and DualIDA is set to 1 in the config file, and you made a shortcut to throttlestop and put it in your startup foldder on the startmenu, simply log off/log on.

 

It's all a software issue though right.. it's not about ACTUALLY cutting wires is it?

 

1 part hardware mod, 1 part RAM EEPROM mod.

Hardware part requires modifying the path of pin 57 of the PLL to ground. That part I can do without issue. It's flashing the RAM to operate at CAS6 so that it can run @ 444mhz. At CAS5, which is default, it runs at 333mhz. That won't do. System will crash.

 

The process of figuring it out seems very worth looking into, but personally I don't know that I really want to physically mod my HDX to the point where an HP rep could see..also the prospects of opening it up still scares me. In the meantime, do you know if I can do anything to keep the clock at 2.7? It says 2.694.. like right by 2.7. How does one get that it's going back down to 2.5?