*HP HDX DRAGON Owners Lounge, Part 1*

Any one knows how to enable this on the 8800M? (Mobile 8800 is not officially supported; only the desktop version is, but there might be some trick):
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Discover_Main.html
I have the latest 186.91 (mobile) driver under Windows 7 x64 and the required cyan/red glasses. No special display is required for 3D Discover.
P.S. This is not the old 3D vision; see comparison table at:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Overview.html

 

I personally don't want to do less than 8GBs again. The things you can do with 8GBs of ram over 4GBs, besides being able to run heavy programs, and have many programs being used, is have many tabs opened at the same time in Firefox + many more addons, use the Volume Quicktouch setting box that pops up without it lagging, have way more time until the memory gets critical before you have to restart/reboot to refresh the memory etc. If you use heavy programs or many programs as you say you will definitely get some good use out of 8GBs of ram. If you only use it for mild browsing, then no. I've tried Readyboost and didn't see much good, as I think it only works up to 4GBs. I have almost the same specs as you do. I actually have one last GSKILL 4GB Memory module out of 10 I had, which I sold to several members in this forum for their Dragons, that I was going to relist. You'd have to get the other or just get both from Newegg.

 

I have one new, sealed GSKILL 4GB left over also. That makes a PAIR in case he wants to make a deal...

 

I wouldn't bother, you're still going to get 50% of the performance you would normally get at the same settings, which is going to make the games ugly or unplayable.

BUT, if you wanna go ahead, I suggest posting in the L2G forums. Those guys would prolly be better equipped to help you.

 

Nice. I wasn't expecting that.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I have just posted a message there. I am currently running Assassin's Creed at 60 fps+ at maximum settings/highest quality (WUXGA / X9000), so even if that gets halved it would still be playable at highest settings or at some other visually acceptable tweaked settings. There are also many other less demanding games, as well as 3D movies (NVIDIA has started a free gallery), which are not as demanding as real-time games. NVIDIA has recently announced that they are planning mobile GPU support in a future driver release.

 

Update: I have successfully installed without errors both 3DVision_190.62.exe (found inside the desktop 190.62 driver) and NVIDIA_3D_Vision_Video_Player_1.4.7.msi (from NVIDIA's 3D Vision Web site). I amstill waiting for someone to make them work with 186.91. They should add an entry in NVIDIA CPL but they haven't. They have only added start menu entries. Clicking on 'Enable 3D Vision' does nothing, though I can see the 3D Vision service has started successfully (automatically on startup). Perhaps it is looking for matching core NVIDIA driver files v190.xx or higher? Perhaps we should wait for a mobile version of the latter, or maybe there is a registry hack or something else to patch to have 3D Vision Discover work with 186.91 (mobile 8800M)?
(Same also posted on LV2Go forum)

 

So then, 2.0, any chance of you havin a bash at installing one of these in your dragon when it comes out?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/10/mobility.radeon.hd.5k.to.cover.whole.range/

 

If you're buyin', I'm tryin'...

(Though, no way it'll work since it's MXM III Type A)

 

awww raspberries.

 

Just wondering, what do you guys think about the prices of the T9500 these days? It seems to be about $235, the same or less than a 9300. Since I'm in Canada and will be travelling to the U.S. pretty soon it would be an opportune time to pick one up.

Does anyone foresee a big price drop in the near future, or alternatively, the supply of these dwindling?

Thanks

 

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Thou be blessed!

THE PAGE 100 HIGH PRIEST SPOKETH

 

Nice. So you have an X9000 that you installed yourself no? How much ram do you have?

 

Nope, it's factory installed, with standard 4GB of RAM.

 

Just curious, when/how/where did you get a cto'd 2.8Ghz HDX from?

 

It's not a cto. It's HP Pavilion HDX9399SX Notebook PC.

 

3D Vision Discover now works on my HDX! Simply use 3DVision_186.30.exe - We have been missing a LOT without 3D!!!

 

how much were the glasses?

 

Got them free with Shrek 3D DVD. They are made of cardboard paper with "gel" (tough celophane-like) lenses. The DVD ships with 4 pairs. You can buy the paper 3D glasses (without any DVD) from ebay - they are extremely cheap (5 for $2 or so), but make sure they are cyan/red variety (cyan is right eye) and not the blue/red variety.

 

SPORES (the game) is awesome in true 3D. No performance or fps loss at all.
There are several breathtaking 3D movies here (free):
http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_3D_Movies.html
(The NVIDIA 3D Vision Player is a free separate download. Works with 3D Vision Discover)

Edit-just tested: Equally awesome, with no decrease in fps/performance at highest settings: TmNation Forever and Tomb Raider Underworld.

 

I thought 2.8Ghz X9000s were only ctod?

 

Could you please post a link to the 3d driver so I can see what you're talking about?

 

I've posted how to get it here:
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/25246-3d-vision-discover/

 

I cant wait to go back to 64 bit Vista, but am on 32 bit for now..is there a 32 bit version? And do you need to first uninstall the NVIDIA GPU driver you have installed already? Thanks!

 

Yes there is the 32-bit version of same driver on NVIDIA site. However, the 3DVision driver in the 64-bit might be the same (try it and if it fails, download the Quadro 186.30 32-bit Vista/Win7 driver from NVIDIA: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windo...6.30_quadro_win7_32bit_international_whql.exe ).

No don't uninstall your main GPU driver (don't install the full Quadro driver!). 3DVision is a layer on top of it and needs it (like SRS for the sound driver). However, your main GPU driver's major version must be 186 to be compatible (higher or lower won't work).


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Posted Yesterday, 04:15 PM

View PostEgor, on 25 September 2009 - 03:02 PM, said:
Hey!
But where did you get thus 3DVision_186.30.exe ?
Could you please provide a link?

Thanx in advance!


Got it by opening with 7-Zip the 186.30 Quadro:
http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windo...6.30_quadro_win7_64bit_international_whql.exe

 

So how come there's these ultra fancy 3dvision glasses goin for a load of money and needing an ir receiver etc.

but these cheap shrek glasses work?

 

Please read and search (I have even mentioned it a few posts above).

there are two distinct versions of 3d vision--we are talking here about the Discover variety (which doesn't require a special 120Hz monitor and the battery-operated wireless shutter glasses). You can find a comparison table at:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Overview.html (near bottom of page)

Software wise they both use the same free 3D Vision driver package from nvidia.

Start your 3D revolution today with NVIDIA 3D Vision, available in two versions.

NVIDIA 3D VISION A complete solution for experiencing Stereoscopic 3D on your PC in high definition, full color fidelity, and incredible depth. Learn more >		NVIDIA 3D VISION DISCOVER Specialized glasses bundled with select GeForce Graphics cards for a sneak peek at games, movies, and photos in Stereoscopic 3D. (But any proper anaglyph 3D glasses (red/cyan) would do like those: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-PAIR-RED-CY...e_SM?hash=item1c0c421ead&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ) Learn more >

PRODUCT COMPARISON

	NVIDIA 3D Vision	NVIDIA 3D Vision Discover
Availability	Sold as a complete kit for full HD stereoscopic 3D	Bundled with select NVIDIA® GeForce® GPUs for a sneak peak at stereoscopic 3D
3D Glasses type	Wireless Shutter glasses	NVIDIA optmized anaglyph (red/cyan)
Color Fidelity	Full	Limited
Display requirements	3D-Vision-Ready displays	All desktop LCD and CRT displays
NVIDIA GPU support	GeForce 8 series and higher Select Quadro GPUs	GeForce 8 series and higher
Operating System support	Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows 7	Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows 7
View 3D pictures	Y	Y
Watch 3D movies	Y	Y
Play real-time 3D games	Y*	Y*
3D consumer applicaiton (Cooliris)	Y*	Y*

* Requires GeForce 8800 GT and higher, 9600 GT and higher, or any GeForce 200 series and higher

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sweet, just ordered the glasses, thanks

So you tried it on any movies yet?

 

Yes, here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_3D_Movies.html
And the player there: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_vision_video_player_1.4.7.html

 

So does this not work for you hence havin to find these other drivers? Or does this only work for the full version and not the discover version?

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_3D_vision_winvista_win7_CD_1.11.html

or is it because the driver for that package needs a modded inf?

 

Major driver version must match. I need a mobile, non-modded WHQL driver and the highest currently is 186.91, hence the need for a 186 3D Vision driver. (Unlike desktop 186 drivers, which ship with matching 3D Vision inside, mobile drivers don't ship with this as NVIDIA is not yet officially supporting 3D Vision on notebooks.)

190.62 is not a mobile (notebook) driver and won't install unmodded. The 3D Vision inside it won't run with a non-matching, 186, driver, either.

The CD you are linking to is nothing but the desktop 190.62 driver in 32-bit and 64-bit flavors bundled together. Unlike what the page says, the main driver already contains 3D Vision, which can also be downloaded separately here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_3D_vision_winvista_win7_190.62.html ( http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/3d_vision_stereo/NVIDIA_3D_Vision_v190.62_driver.exe )
The latest 3D Vision is v191.00. It ships with the latest Quadro drivers 191.00 ( http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windo...ro_win7_winvista_64bit_international_whql.exe date: 22-Sep-2009 - open/extract content with 7-Zip or similar). However, all of these are useless for our HDX (I need the mobility features in the WDDM 1.1 driver under Win7 and I need the WHQL for Blu-ray).

 

niceness

well I've ordered mine as i said so will post feedback on how it goes later in the week.

 

Doesn't work on mine..I guess it doesn't recognize Vista Anytime Upgrade as a legitimate OS....Keeps saying it was designed for WM7 and Vista and then won't install..Bah.

 

Hello Every one!
Just to say that upgrading an HP HDX 9190ef with LG/Philips WSXGA+ (1680x1050) to a Chimei WUXGA (1920x1200) lcd panel is possible: i've done the upgrade, and it's working like a charm!

I bought the lcd panel separately on Ebay for 197$, shipping included.

Other upgrades i've done on the HDX:
- Processor: T7250 => T9300
- 2x1GB RAM => 2x4GB G-skill 667
- 2x160Go Toshiba => 2x 80Go SSD Intel x-25-m postville

 

Hi all!
Quick question: I recently had to install VMWare desktop to run Windows XP in a virtual environment to get some work software running. Everything is working fine so far. However, yesterday, I took the time to press f11 while booting and noticed that the system allows you to enable some sort of "virtualization" setting. Does anyone know what this does, how it works, or if it might help or hinder my VMware sessions? Since I'll be running latency sensitive network applications, any speed or stability increase would help me. Thanks!

 

Hardware virtualization only works (really) in F.40 E BIOS. VMWare should benefit from it while http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx wouldn't run without it. In earlier BIOS versions enabling it didn't work.

 

Thanks for the link and info! I did update to the newest BIOS a while back so hopefully I'll be ready to roll.

 

I have upgraded to Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and have everything running wonderfully.....EXCEPT I can't find a compatible driver for the tv tuner. Was wondering if anyone else that upgraded has found one that works... Of course HP refuses to help me, despite my 4-year warranty I bought, because I "upgraded the operating system which voids any type of software support". Gotta love 'em....

 

Would you let us know why you upgraded and what you'd say the differences are between the two screens? Also was the WSXGA a cto? Thanks.

 

For the TV TUNER - (SP38987) (Setup, drivers, TVTnr) but when loading, Use Compatibility Vista SP1

 

That's what I did, about 3 times.... So, I gave it one more shot....and it "took" this time!!! Thanks for making me do it again!

 

that's ridiculous. cuz you upgraded ur os to a legit ms product.

 

Multi-touch but NOT a tablet (normal display lid):

 

I know, right? I pay like $450 for the warranty, then they won't give me the tech support for software issues anymore cause I upgrade the operating system. Ridonkulous.....

 

I spoke with someone at HP who acknowledged that this is a lame move by HP. With MS admitting that Vista was a "less good product " than Windows 7 (and, apparently, some MS execs have been far more critical privately) punishing the user is a bad move for brand loyalty. It makes the extended warranty laughable.

From what I understand if enough Dragon (and other HP) users flood them with complaints, there is a possibility something can change. There is strength in numbers. Corporations make decisions based on numbers.

Here's the email address. I'm definitely going to complain about this baloney.

[email protected]

Cheers,

MobileArtist

 

Every operating system that is being replaced by a new one is considered a "less good product."

See if you can make that a sticky thread in the HP forum.

But the odds of HP responding to consumers in this regard is low for a number of reasons. Some of which is beyond their control. But what's great about Win7 is that it's based off Vista's code base and therefore almost everything that worked with Vista will work with win7 out of the box.

The other thing is, the warranty CLEARLY states that the limited tech support is solely for software pre-installed on the computer by HP. So we can't legally or pragmatically complain if they don't support what they didn't install. You don't NEED win7 for the computer to function properly. It just functions BETTER.

 

"The other thing is, the warranty CLEARLY states that the limited tech support is solely for software pre-installed on the computer by HP. So we can't legally or pragmatically complain if they don't support what they didn't install. You don't NEED win7 for the computer to function properly. It just functions BETTER." (quote from 2.0's previous post)


The bad thing is, I specifically asked BEFORE purchasing the warranty if there would be any issue with upgrading to Windows 7 because I was definitely doing it. They said, "The tech reps have limited training with Windows 7 right now, but they'll give you the best help they can. You just may have to be patient if you call, since everyone is still learning this new operating system."

Of course, now I realize they would say anything to "make the sale".....

 

Because I was a Thinkpad owner before buying the Dragon I thought it useful to call Lenovo support in Atlanta. I explained the situation to the technician and he said Lenovo would honor an extended warranty on their machines even if one upgraded to a new OS. He rattled off a number of possible scenarios, many of them describing those borderline issues where software and hardware interact, in which tech would assist. And he mentioned driver support right away.

So, in my view things are not written in stone, and companies change policies if enough people complain.

I don't think that every new OS is better than the one preceding it. Windows ME was not better than 98, and Vista, according to a lot of people, is not better than XP.

So I think it's worth a shot to complain.

MA

 

Indeed. The worth of HP techs or CS rep's word is priceless. As in having no real and meaningful value. They notoriously make things seem "possible" even when they are in violation of their written policies or technical options.

The good news is, we have a great community of users who provide support that is light years ahead of anything HP could. Many here know more about the HDX than HP does.