HP Mini 311 on sale!

Mine says it shipped on the 5th, but my delivery is set to October 8th. I paid for the two day shipping...

At the very top my says "Shipment exception
SHANGHAI CN"

Then it says it was received after the cut-off time... Same with you guys?

 

You are assuming that the XP option is short term instead of a continuing offering so it's still possible that the XP configs are 1 GB limited in the US though I hope not.

Dang I want one of these IF i can add more memory to it.

 

*sigh*

"Oct 5, 2009 11:23 PMPicked up SHANGHAI CN Package received after FedEx cutoff"

Expected delivery date Oct. 8th now.

 

LOL, it is driving me nuts too...

I am very :-( that I won't be able to know until Thursday. :-(...

 

I just received notice that my 311 has been shipped. So, my guess is that the shipping label has been generated. I was surprised to see this considering my build date was October 7th via HP. I originally ordered on 9/24/2009. But, I paid for 5-7 business day shipping so I figured I'll receive it on 10/14 or 10/15 if there are no delays.

I'm excited!

 

Fixed and now I can picture you dancing up there with the best of them...

 

Haha!

Pretty much.

My current laptop is the 700m. The 311 isn't much of a difference in dimension but I'm really hoping for a weight difference to make it easier to carry for trips considering I have not traveled with my 700m since I graduated university.

 

first test results
http://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-mini-311-first-test-results-is-ion-worth-it

Pushed me over the edge, ordered one from HP

 

Grr..not quite the craptop a Dell 11z is, but close.

Help me DM3, you're my only hope, even though you are too big. Maybe Ferrari One if I could get it without the annoying paint job.

 

Back in the day, I worked for HP Pavilion support. I was third level support, and I can tell you as a fact, the last place you ever want to call for help is HP.

Even their own techs don't know what is going on because they don't bother to tell them. I was third level and can tell you that. Maybe they got better, but for a company that provides information products they are horrible at conveying it.

 

I am having a difficult time seeing where you are coming from. You replied to a quote stating that it can take 3GB of ram, but your reply wasn't even in regards to that. I guess I am confused by your post.

 

my machine is now in alaska with an oct 8 date....wonder if i can call and get my shipping money back since they gave me an oct 6 estimate with 2 day shipping...and the deceptive email saying it shipped on the 30th

 

They still dont tell us anything.

 

I don't know, you tell me. What did I expect her to say? Sorry guy, Fedex wasn't down for 5 days. You sound like some PR dude that works for them. Really, you need to get off the drugs if you think it is acceptable to produce a tracking number, notify your customer that the item was shipped and then wait 5 days before you actually ship the item out.

Edited ** I decided to tone it down a bit.

Edit 2 ** LOL, I guess it did happen to you twice as I look at your two HP machines in your contract. But, it was Fedex both times *wink*.

 

Check this out: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/hp-mini-311-with-ion-benchmarked-it-goes-very-fast/#comments


http://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-mini-311-first-test-results-is-ion-worth-it

 

i would buy this in a second if it had a second memory slot. I would love to do 4 gigs of ram or even more.

Seems like it will play lotro well and I could mabye even play SW TOR when it comes out.

 

like the numbers, but waiting on memory...still gonna return if 1 GB Soldered on MB...

 

Yet again you fail to address the issue that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't their fault. But even if it was -- what could that person have done for you? Anything?

Quit getting so upset over such a minor issue. You're just looking for something to complain about here when it's such a minuscule issue it hardly matters at all. Do you honestly expect that a service rep would have detailed accounts from an entirely different company and their infrastructure? Again: what did you expect the person to say?

The funniest part here is you're completely changing the context of what she said. She said they had a problem with their system. Nowhere did she say it was down for 5 days. You were the one that took two completely unrelated statements and fabricated that.

You're getting mad at the manufacturer of your PC for an issue that clearly they have no control over at this point, regardless of whether or not it was their blunder. You don't seem to grasp that.

 

You are a slow one, I'll leave it at that.

 

I am wondering the same thing. Telling me my item shipped on the 30th and not actually giving it to the shipper until 5 days later is a serious issue to me.

 

For those that don't know how the system works, I will explain it briefly.

Both UPS and Fedex have computer systems that they supply to their big time shippers. These computers are able to calculate the cost based on the destination, size and weight of the package. You can input all sorts of variables before you print out the shipping label. Once you print out the shipping label you attach it to the box and all it requires is the Fedex or UPS truck driver to pick up all your packages. The drivers don't label them, they don't have to be 'called' in as one user was told by an HP rep. You have the label, all that needs to happen is the package needs to be picked up. The bar code, tracking number, etc... Its all there via the computers.

Telling a customer their item shipped and not actually having shipped it for several days later is simply bad customer service at best, and deception at worst. You can give HP a break, I don't care. But I refuse to do it and I refuse to let someone tell me that I need to cut them some slack. They are a multi billion dollar operation and don't need my slack. What they need is better management and policies. If they were a mom and pop store, I'd cut plenty of slack. But, alas, this isn't the case.

 

Eh, mine is the sameway. I was a little annoyed in the beginning but now Ive calmed down about it. I'll get it when I do.

Those benchmarks are flat out sick. I wonder if thats the N270 or N280 processor. Also what would the benchmark increase be w/ 2 gigs? This is gonna be fun.



LoL, feel free to call up HP and get a sales case manager about your shipping issue.. They are a fun bunch.

 

Yep, I can't wait to see this puppy in action. If the memory can be ugpraded I will keep the unit for sure. I doubt I will order from HP again, though. I also won't be recomending them to any of my clients anymore.

Anyone else agree that these would look even better if they decided to go with the straight colored lid? In other words, no pattern? I don't like the pattern, but I can live with it. I prefer the minimalist look.

 

Are you a fellow LOTRO player? If so, I will fill you in on the performance of this machine. I fully expect it to play non-moria environment pretty well. Mines of Moria might be a bit choppy though (due to the CPU). I know the 9400M can handle it fine, but the CPU will probably be the bottleneck there.

I also plan to test playing LOTRO unplugged to see 1) performance and 2) endurance. Another game I will try and test with is King's Bounty: The Legend. That is a kick butt game.

Also, for what it is worth, you won't see anything with a mobile Atom running 4GB of memory anytime soon. For all intents and purposes 3GB is the practical limit when you take into the account the memory addressing for BIOS, graphics, etc... Although in this case the graphics uses share memory, so you could probly utilize around 3.5GB or so in theory. With Windows XP though, unless you love to run several applications at once, even 2GB should be fine. I plan on running it with 2GB when I get mine.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231202

this bad boy would work with the n280 cpu correct? If so that may not be bad. 4 gigs should be enough in a netbook

 

I play on and off and basicly the netbook would just be for a second character mule or ot play between night classes.

I figure i'd put win 7 on this and would want 4 gigs on it. Is it limited in the bios to 3.5 ? wouldn't make much sense if they plan on putting windows 7 on this.

 

This uses DDR3 ram.

 

All depends on the netbook but in the case of the 311 it will not. It uses DDR3 instead of DDR2. At work today though we were discussing if a 4G stick would work or the MB wouldnt take it. Also, what speed the DDR3 is at on the machine.


I'm guessing standard 1066 so....

2gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148192

4gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231265

 

The mobile versions of Atom are not 64-Bit. Only the desktop versions of Atom are. As such, it is limited to running a 32-Bit OS and applications. One of those limitations is the ability to only address up to 4GB. Since the BIOS, Graphics and other functions in the system need to reserve certain memory space, you are limited to 4GB minus whatever addressing is reserved. This generally works out to between 3GB - 3.5GB of usable memory. Thus the 3GB limit.

If a desktop computer had 2GB of dedicated video memory, it would effectively have only about 1.5GB or so usable system memory in a 32 bit environment.

 

LMAO. I don't know why I expected anything else from you -- fight an actual conversation with insults that are not relevant at all. Good day, sir.

You seem to be missing the point entirely. I don't think anyone here lacks the comprehension of how the label system works.

As soon as the item is out of HP's hands, it's out of their hands. Yet again you aren't addressing the fact that you have NO CLUE what happened to your shipment. You also seem to be completely forgetting the argument that you fabricated before about HP telling you UPS had a 5 day server downtime. What's your next argument going to be?

 

another reason i wish a neo with the radeon 3200 hit the netbook scene at a decent price.

 

I was wondering the same thing, whether the memory was running at 1066 or 1333. I am also guessing that it is 1066. Although I wish it was 1333, as several DDR2 non JEDEC spec DIMMs exist at frequencies already. The Atom isn't memory bandwidth starved though, so I am guessing it won't stop the 9400M from stretching it legs as it should have access to the majority of the bandwidth.

 

I kinda like the pattern on the background. Specifically because it will draw attention away from the fingerprints that always show up on the gloss finish.

 

I thought you said "Good Day, sir"? Does that mean you keep talking to me after? Please live up to what you write. I have no desire to converse with you.

 

That is a good point. I never thought about it that way.

 

My only complaint with the NEO platform is that it is not currently power efficient. AMD does have an advantage when it comes to a total package, but they don't seem to be focusing on that right now. Since Intel's 945GSE chipset is so crappy, it brings the Atom down with it.

Since AMD has both a CPU, GPU and chipset divisions now they should be able to make superior platform. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that NEO is a 'BAD' platform, I just believe that AMD could have done so much more with it.

Either way, I hope both AMD and Intel keep pushing performance per watt. In the end, we win.

 

I don't know the congo would be pretty good in my eyes. Put in a single neo at 1.6ghz and the hd 3200 and it hsould perform as good as the ion but offer 4gigs and higher memory amounts . The cpu at 1.6ghz should be fast enough also. Power consumption should be around 4 hours or more.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/10/acers-11-6-inch-ferrari-one-finally-a-netbook-with-speed/

 

Sorry that you got lost in the shuffle. You will be able to watch normal Hulu without a problem. The HD version you will not be able to watch until they have built-in GPU support for it. I have not followed this closely (mainly because standard def TV looks ok to me on a screen that small) so I am not sure when. But I did hear that as early as this month that nVidia will release some codecs, drivers, etc... Whatever it is that allow the CPU to offload some of these operations onto the more powerful GPU.

So, I think the short answer right now is Hulu standard def - Yes. HD - No. HD later? Yes, probably.

 

I agree, that matching up a 1.6Ghz Neo + HD3200 would be an awesome pair, if AMD could fine tune-in.

I remember testing the HD3200 on a DV5Z and it sucked a ton of power under load and idle. Of course, it is hard to directly compare it to the DV5T due to the Intel chipsets lack of graphic horsepower, but still, it appears to really eat power.

I guess what I would like to see is an update to the HD3200 (4200?) with better power consumption both idle and load, wee bit more GPU power and have it paired with a Dual Core Neo.

It never made sense to me that AMD put Neo with the 690G chipset... Or maybe it did make sense since the Neo is essentially a chopped down single core A64.

BTW ** Thanks for that link. I missed that one!

Now you have my excited for Congo, but my primary concern will be endurance... If it takes a 15% endurance hit over Ion, I can deal with that. If it takes a 30-40%, I don't think I would be willing to take it over Ion. I am excited to see the test results of this thing...

 

Well the 3200 you were using was on 55nm. The new ones are 45nm

http://icrontic.com/articles/a-look-at-amds-2009-mobile-strategy/2

The congo platform will have a 18W TDP vs 15W TDB of the yukon platform.

The congo will be a hd 3200. So you move from the x1250 to the 3400.

I don't think you will see a 4x00 in the netbook space , most likely that will go to low end laptops with the 5x00 series (dx 11) hitting the high end market early this year. That would be the puma.

 

Thanks for the link. Although I can't really go off of AMD's stated power consumption values. I know that Tom's hardware did a test recently and found the TDP values were not so close to accurate with AMD as they were with Intel. Sorry to appear to have a slant towards Intel. I am just looking at it from a honest view point. The 11.6" Yukon's out there have a battery life of around 5 hours or so (Gateway) that is a Yukon at 1.2Ghz with Integrated X1270. By comparison, the Intel CULV's perform slightly better and consume less power. At least, thus far... But I will remain optimistic because I only care about the end result. TDP numbers don't mean anything if the entire package (LCD, Drives, etc...) consumes too much energy.

 

Did anyone order their Mini 311 with the N270? If so, I'd like to see if we can gather a list of benchmarks we can both run to see if there is any tangible difference between the N270 and the N280. I am guessing the difference won't be noticable, but it will be measurable.

Also, if anyone wants me to test or check for anything specific, let me know. I'll do my best to try and answer those questions. I am set to receive mine on October 8th, so that evening I should be testing it out.

 

I understand. On the flip side if a dual core neo at 1.6ghz with a radeon hd 3200m consumes roughly the same power as the single neo at 1.2ghz and a 12x0 then i think its a win win , 5 hours of battery life with their uvd for high def processing and the ability to run 4 gigs and more would make for a great 11.6inch netbook.

I need 4 hours battery , 6 hours would be icing on the cake though. I like this mini and I may buy it if i don't hear of anything better by the 22nd though. I'm kidna hoping with win 7 release on the 22nd they will add options for 2gigs of ram or even 3 gigs of ram built in from the on set.

 

Your getting a faster cpu (600mhz) and a 133mhz faster fsb . The performance upgrade is worth the $25 bucks. It be silly not to go for it.

 

You mean 60Mhz, right? It is 1.6 Versus 1.66. You are right, the bus goes from 533 to 666. By the way, after writing this, I think the N280 will be using DIMMs at 1333 and the N270 will likely be using DIMMS rated at 1066 now that I think about it. Of course, that all depends on the memory ratios.

For the Intel 945GSE, the difference between the N270 and the N280 was negligable. But Ion might turn that into a larger gap - maybe. Worth it for 25 bucks? I am not sure. I paid the extra $25 anyway, just in case.

 

I am guessing that we will have a ton of choices come October 22nd. I hope so... I can always give this little guy away to a family, friend or what not. Just an excuse to get another one.

BTW, my goal is a bit different than yours. While I do like the idle power figures, I am more interested in gaming unplugged. Technically on a 52 Watt Hour Battery, I would get about 2 hours or so on full load. However, I am not convinced that the load figures are constant, which is why I will be testing this laptop unplugged (probably at one of the lower brightness settings) and see how long it will last. If it only pulls 20 watts or so under load (It is likely to pull more, though), it should in theory be able to go almost three hours. Then if someone makes an extended battery (9-cell) you could probably get darn near 4 hours out of the thing while gaming. But who nows, maybe I am wrong... Maybe I won't even get 2 hours out of it. Live, learn and report the community.

 

The diffrence between us is that i would never be some where without a way of charging the netbook for 2 hours. Go to class and play between them for 40 minutes ...oh there is a plug for that. In the car waiting for whatever reason.... there is a plug in the car and so on and so forth.

I'd only be away from an outlet if i go outside in the back of my house and want to play a bit while smoking a cigar while its warm out.

So its really just idle power or watching videos that would be the problem.


And yea i want to see lots of options. The atoms just don't do it for me. I kidna want to keep this around for 2-3 years and I love playing rpgs and mmorpgs and i'm not sure how great these things will play more modern rpgs (from the last 2-3 years) and I want to play the new SW mmorpg when it comes out on this. So i want to make sure i choose wisely. and i don't need to play these games on super high settings , but i want them to be playable.

 

I hear you... But in all honestly, I don't think anything you purchase today is going to do the trick. Even the dual core desktop atom tested with the Zotac 9400M wasn't enough CPU power to reliably get the frame rates into the 30's. Everyone does have their own definition of playable, and I can certainly learn to live with 20fps, but I am not sure I could take much lower than that on a regular basis and that is where I think these single core atoms will end up with the nex release of games. I don't even think the dual core Atom is enough to power the next generation of games.

The dual core neo at 1.6Ghz on the other hand, that probably would be fine for the next 2-3 years if the GPU was able to handle it. I *think* the HD3200 would be up for the task, but I am not sure.

But these are just my predictions and opinion. I could be wrong. Maybe these things will last more than a year or so. I don't plan on using mine more than a year. I am not made of money either... I just set asside for toys versus other things like movies, DVDs, etc...

I am a huge LOTRO fan so as long as this little guy can be played in the Shadows of Angmar area, I should be good. I can always level another alt.

Edit ** Off to bed. Take care

 

i agree, would rather have the plain black rather than the swirly things ... is anyone else kinda bummed that the benchmark for the hp mini 311 was lower than for the asus n10j, even though the latter is an n270 with an nvidia 9300m? ... dammit, now this acer looks a lot more attractive than the mini 311