HP OMEN 15 and 17 owners lounge

Anyone unlock Ultimate Performance Mode in Windows 10 power setting on their Omen 17t? I had to tweak some of settings but so far so good. I guess...lol

 

I think most of us are using ThrottleStop on this thing. Windows's CPU management is just too opaque.
I had never heard of it so I looked up what you're talking about--it just looks like another power plan. How it keeps cores from parking I don't know since that's not a Windows option. All I know is Throttle Stop makes it do most of what I want.

 

OK Fine, you got me interested. I'll see if it affect the C States. Here's how to force it:
https://www.howtogeek.com/368781/ho...ight, click the,not appear under this section.
I haven't tried it yet but will report back.

 

Hi everyone, I am having trouble connecting a monitor to my Omen17. I usually connect 3 monitors - one through HDMI, one through displayport, and one through usb-c. However, today the usb-c one stopped working. I am using a HDMI to usb-c dock. Each individual component seems to be working fine (I can connect it to another computer with no problem), while the usb-c port also seems to work when I connect other things to it (keyboard, mouse). Is there anyway that only the usb-c connection to the graphics card broke? My other monitors still work fine.

 

So I like the Windows Ultimate Performance mode EXCEPT it kills your laptop battery while the unit is off and unplugged. In about 16 hours it killed about 16%. I thought at first it was the computer/HP doing battery discharging but its not. I went back to the HP Recommended plan and the battery drain is gone. I wish there was a way to stop this on the Ultimate Performance mode but it doesn't appear to be. Also the battery icon options change from the standard slider (Best Perf to Best time) and becomes just a standard battery percentage. No options. Constant charging from 80-100 everyday will harm the battery.

Update: I guess it wasn't the power plan as it is still doing it with the factory HP plan. I guess it is what it is.

 

Hello everyone,

can someone please tell my what RTX 2080 Super Max-Q version is in the "Omen 15-dh1085ng 15,6"? I wonder if it is the 80W or the 90W version?

It is the 2020 Model, but with the old chassis. Maybe someone has some 3dMark benchmarks?

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/ga...+gaming+special/omen+by+hp+15+dh1085ng+660066

It is very important for me because tomorrow I have to decide if I take the MSI GE66 with RTX 2070 Max-P or the Omen 15 with RTX 2080 Super Max-Q

 

Why would you go with the older chassis? its out of date straight away

Go with the MSI

 

I'd still go with that GE66 regardless.That old omen chasis has really bad thermals..Even with the max q card I don't see that thing lasting half as long as the ge66

 

I tend to agree. The Omen 17 is good enough for my purposes but nothing like my old MSI, which was a tank. Also a 2070 Max P will probably outscore a 2080 MaxQ. No way to really know without the wattage which is model-specific, but the GE's cooling will be oversized for that since it can handle a 150W 2080 (and modded beyond that). The HP also has no dedicated CPU heat pipes, so you'll likely still have high CPU temps even with the Max Q.

 

Okay went with the GE66

 

Okay went with the GE66 Many thanks

 

I'm actually surprised by the performance I've been getting from my 2080SMQ,everything I've read about it made me think it was trash but since I overclocked it im hitting 10k graphics in time spy..I upgraded to this ge66 after being fed up with my 2020 omens limited bios options.And yes even compared to the 2020 omen models,this msi is like a tank to.

 

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I'm actually surprised by the performance I've been getting from my 2080SMQ,everything I've read about it made me think it was trash but since I overclocked it im hitting 10k graphics in time spy..I upgraded to this ge66 after being fed up with my 2020 omens limited bios options.And yes even compared to the 2020 omen models,this

Nice!!!What model?I have the 2080SMQ model and this thing is handling everything I can throw at it.Make sure you unlock the bios to undervolt and overclock the graphics.

 

Maybe but MSI quality and customer service is absolutely trash this past year and a half. Join their FB group and just read all the crazy **** that happens.

 

I went for the Omen as I have had several years of travelling with HP laptops and not had any issues, but if I knew then what I know now about the intel 10th gen and I had the time to wait I would probably have gone for the ryzen option with the 1660 gpu as it reviews faster in real world and the gpu is close, that or the msi.

Over on the HP forum there is a slew of people with i7 cpu heat issues

I re-pasted mine and can run stock quite happily now. I do still use throttle stop to set the power levels down to 35 and 55watt (settled there as seems to be best for this laptop), which keeps temps down, and I prefer throttlestop does for when on battery than windows

When I took the heatsink off the gpu had been done great in factory but the cpu was terrible, see if I can post a pick. Just sharing for anyone out there despairing at cpu temps in the 90s, a quick repaste works wonders - I think they may have had a production run where either the compound for the cpu was 'off' or too runny. It looked a different colour and I think from other laptops that the thermal compound comes as a rectangle on the heatsink? the gpu looked that way, the cpu looked like a glob of runnier stuff





I really love this laptop, I have to say.
The screen is great and it is so fast for my work life. Fits in my old 14in rucksack and with charger only a little heavier than the older elitebook
Having a blast with flight simulator and games too.

I put a 1tb drive in primary and use the stock 500gb for a seperate work windows environment.
To be able to do that finally without farking about is so liberating

 

Was it the newer model omen that you were having the heat issues with?I thought the new chasis design fixed that..Mine wouldn't get hot cause it would always power throttle once the cpu was under load.I couldn't do anything in throttlestop to stop it.That machine was locked down tight.Thats why I got rid of it but other then that I loved it..In the end though if im buying a gaming laptop I need to be able to undervolt it, idk why they would take that option away.

 

If the laptop has a decent cooling solution, undervolting is not necessary. After months of swapping among various laptops, I've gone back to Lenovo. The Legion 5, which is similarly locked out, is staying around 80 degrees under load in performance mode for me. It touched 82 for a second but I never saw it go higher than that while maintaining 4.2 GHz. If you desperately want undervolting, then you'll need something with an advanced BIOS that allows for it. The Legion 7 offers this, as do several other Asus and MSI laptops.

 

My 2020 Omen 17t-cb100 averagres around 80-90 depending on what im asking of it. There are spikes to higher during loading but it's literally a split second. Average clocks are like 4.3-4.6ghz across all cores. This is on stock paste though. Which will be changed soon.

 

I get your point.I just like having that extra control over something I paid for.Its not just undervolting thats locked out,on my 2020 omen 15-ekxxxxx the whole advanced bios was inaccessible.For the money they charge for them theres no excuse to lock out all the advanced options.I hadda switch to a GE66 and I couldn't be happier.

 

They probably did a cost benefit analysis and determined that they didn’t want people messing with it. Change it to something the machine can’t handle and you could end up in an unbootable state. That would require time and expense of tech support and potential RMAs. People who even know what undervolting is are a subset of a subset of the overall market.

By the way, there seems to be something wrong with your space bar. Might want to look into that.


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The gimped bios is a real strange one, there is almost nothing there at all

On the stock paste the cpu would thermal throttle when power on, and benchmarking, after re-pasting it does not.

The cooling system is fantastic, however by also using throttlestop to clamp the power limits, the temps stay very low when gaming and therefore the fans stay lower which I personally like, and the cpu performance is very good. I did a test and lose about 20% in cinebench benchmark but for me the hardest I run the laptop is gaming and its fine there, so happy enough with this setup as the max fans are pretty loud

 

Space bar's fine just some horrible grammar
And that was always my conclusion on why they started watering down the bios aswell.I also read that there was some type of malware vulnerability with the open bios but im not clued in on the subject enough to really know or care

 

this popped up today, released on 21st Aug


OMEN Command Center SDK Package contains the SDKs required for OMEN Command Center Overclocking and Network booster features. This package is provided for supported computer models that are running a supported operating system.



....The 'overclocking' got me interested but no new options in command centre

The installer flashed up ryzen....

 

I have uninstalled command and reinstalled just to check, no change to options

Inside the package there is an intel XTU install folder
Unless anyone can work with this, guess my cpu is locked out? ( i7-10750H )

It is strange that the driver was targeted to my device though, unless its universal?

 

interesting...will be monitoring.

 

Well definately worth doing a repaste if you've got a hotter laptop.
I've got the 9880H 8core so it can DEFINATELY get hot. I threw TS's 1024M bench test at it with all 16th and normal priority, and hottest core hit 98 degrees with most in upper 80s to mid 90s. That sort of degree of difference in the first few cores (aka the most utilised) usually indicates uneven thermal compound or not great contact so I decided to repaste.

Just opened her up, cleaned off the 2080 and the 9880H of the not particularly well laid thermal 'cake', and then applied some good old MX4, as it doesn't degrade fast and isnt particularly prone to pump out, and booted back up (be aware the first boot after doing that, with CMOS cleared, takes a while, made me nervous!).

Re-ran TS's test, same settings, and hottest core now hitting 81 degrees!

MASSIVE difference, and given the shared heatpipe, should help the GPU run a bit cooler and boost a little further if power limits aren't an issue.

 

I should note here that I went back to bios f.01

I noticed that with the update f.05 the temps were higher in flight simulator 2020, not sure what the difference was but rolling back did lower longer term temps, everything else kept the same

 

Repasted my rig with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and ZERO thermal throttling now. Just blew Time Spy out the water 10739!

I 100% recommend a repaste to ANY high spec Omen.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/13853872

Stock paste:

 

I hope HP are viewing this thread, man -their stock paste process can be improved

 

I did repaste with MX-4 about 6 monts ago, but the results, while good, are not that great.

Probably a bad apply on my part, will have to find some time to do it again

 

Crisis averted: Thought I'd update everyone with my experience with the Win10 2004 update. Omen 17t 2019 i9-9880h/2080
It took the update fine and was operating normally today, but I noticed the CPU watts were way down on Afterburner. I ran Cinebench and sure enough if it was dropping down to 45W, contradicting my Throttlestop settings. I finally allowed it to update Omen Command Center, and ran Support Assistant and updated the Omen SDK. Reboot, and in performance mode it's still running at 90W with no dip. Ran throttlestop, it's still accepting my undervolt. There were some Intel and HP updates that ran, so something somewhere caused it to revert and Throttlestop to not work, but it seems fine now. I'll keep an eye on it.
I'm tentatively saying the 2004 update seems okay and will update if that changes. Oh, it uninstalled CPU-Z for some reason. Weird.

 

Most likely the Omen Command Center SDK. After I installed it my FPS and thermals went up on my 2020 Omen 17t-cb100. Then I repasted and I'm sitting pretty. LOL

 

Anyone else having problems with the Intel AX200 Bluetooth? I hadn't really tried to use it, but it can see my phone and tablet fine when it's close, but it can't see audio devices unless they're literally sitting on the deck. I think the antenna is attached to the card okay because the WIFI works just fine. I updated the Intel drivers to this September but with no change. After pairing, my wireless speaker (which works fine with everything else from a separate room let alone across the room) breaks up if it's more than one foot away. How to deal with this? My MSI was the same way, so I was looking forward to bluetooth 5 perhaps actually working; what a disappointment.
Oh yes, I've tried turning WIFI off. Is this a gaming computer thing? My friend's XPS15 works fine from across the room.

 

I just purchased the omen 15 with ryzen 4800H + 1660 ti. However it only came with 8GB of ram and I'm looking to upgrade to 32gb.
Any suggestions on what RAM to buy? From what Iv'e read theirs no XMP support in bios so you have to get RAM that's JDEC standard? However that doesn't appear to be a standard heavily advertised by sellers.

Iv'e tried the following ram but my computer would not read it at all. Would just get a blank screen with either stick in.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08B5THV2G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

A new BIOS (F.33 Rev.A) is available for my Omen-17cb.
Description says "Provides support for new OMEN Command Center features".
Anyone knows what these features are?

 

I was wondering the same thing. I'm on F33, and updated OCC and the OCC SDK. Nothing I can see, perhaps they will be rolling something new out. Since the same app on the desktop has some overclocking features and the SDK incorporates XTU, it's possible they're going to expand the tweaks to beyond PL1/PL2 which is what the performance modes are.

I had posted about the 2004 update so I'll take the opportunity to share: If you get BSOD after, I had a few and had to do the chkdsk/dism/sfc process. But I think I tracked it down to Throttlestop: If you have an older version, delete it and install 9.2. Do NOT install or activate the "Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits" feature in the FIVR window. That external driver it uses can cause the BSOD (Rwdrv.sys). It's pointless on this machine anyway as Performance mode is 90 watts, no time limit.
This issue predated installing F33. F33 runs fine and undervolting still works on 9th gen, however Windows 2004 seems much more sensitive and I have stopped using my undervolt for the time being. My machine has been stable for several days now.
I may eventually try reapplying a lesser undervolt and report back; I honestly don't know if it was the undervolt or the abovementioned external driver install from Throttlestop that was causing the BSOD.

 

ok tanks for the update Burrik. YOu have my Omen 17 model too?
Could it be that this bios update was only for the activation of undervolt on the 10th gen intel CPU's? Or maybe the next omen command center software will have more/new OC options? Who knows.

 

Yeah I don't know. I've got the 2019 model, i9-9880H. All the BIOS updates have kept undervolting intact. It's a complex and strange machine, no absolute right answers as to the interactions between BIOS, Windows, OCC, and Throttlestop. I would rather have the temperature spikes and the 90W unlocked by HP, which are manageable, than a ridiculous Dell-like PL1/PL2 lockdown that can't be broken.
For one combination -.15V was very stable, then only Oculus would crash. Then -.125V was rock solid for a long time except for a weird occasional line in the webcam. But that's seemingly what caused update 2004 to crash. Since I repasted it and the thermals are good, I don't really need the undervolt. And it properly hits 4.8 GHz from time to time as it should. I thought Speed Shift was doing great things but now that I look at it it draws the same idle watts without it, just using the C7 state. For gaming I'll still need Throttlestop for a frequency cap though.
Do you have the 10th? My understanding was they go up to 105W to hit those higher frequencies.

 

No I have 9th gen i7-9750H

 

My 10th gen has a max turbo PL of 107 on my HP.

 

is it possible to undervolt with the new F.33 Rev.A?

i can't find previous BIOS versions to download on the HP page... only F.33 Rev.A... does somebody have a link, or plz send me older versions to try out first... got my Omen (9750H) with really old F.15 installed

 

On F30 yes, on F33 yes but either that or Windows Update 2004 may make your undervolt unreliable. This is on 9th gen.
Oh BTW expand it, expand "previous versions" they're all there. I haven't had any problems with any of them, although I never tried F32.

 

I am finding that the high limits are unrealistic as at least one core will quite quickly go to thermal throttling

After a re-paste I am neutering mine 38/30 watts to keep cpu in 80s over extended time gaming, with auto fans

 

I'm running around 80-85*c with spikes up to 95*. My repaste is about a month and a half old. I may redo it one more time. However the longterm graphs do not show the spikes above 85*c due to how fast they are. I'm happy where im at.

 

I have a omen 17 with two M2 slots. Only one works. This is my third omen laptop and the two others also had two m2 slots and I could always add a second M2 SSD. Does anyone else have a M2 slot that is locked out? Or is it just broken?

 

Hmm, that's peculiar. The one it came with (the execrable H10) was in the 1 slot, on the right. Only after adding one did I realize the empty slot (left) is 0, but it still boots normally. Are you sure they're both Nvme? Does it appear in BIOS? You also have to initialize it in disk management, I'm sure you knew that.
That heatsink is also a piece of garbage and makes it very difficult to seat both of them properly. If you try to go without it, you can't tighten them down as it also serves as a spacer, you'll have to get some washers. Make sure you look sideways as you tighten the bracket, the thermal pads will bend the SSDs if you screw it down too much depending on how high the chips are, if it has a label/spreader/heatsink on top.
I've also wondered if it's possible to run out of PCI lanes on this thing, do you have something thunderbolt plugged in?
I did ruin one SSD in this machine, from either the aforementioned bending or frying itself running without the heatsink.

 

It's a 2020 Omen 17 with 2070 Super. I have the SSD it came with and a 2tb mechanical. I didn't have any problems adding the drive. The Bios is also pretty much empty. They have locked down everything. Also all I can actually see is the 2tb drive. I do see some raid options but the bios is pretty bare.

The drive doesn't show up in disk management. I thought maybe that was it.

Anyone got any info about this? I figured I would bring it up whenever I had to send it in for warrenty repair.

 

I added a second Nvme to my omen 15 okay, cloned the original to a 1TB. This laptop has 2x Nvme slots only

I'm a bit confused about your hardware, are you adding an Nvme or using some sort of adapter into that slot? Could suggest trying the free mini partition wizard software to see if you can initialise the drive?

 

I have the 2019 with two m.2 slots and both work (and yes the heatshield is garbage, but I don't want to have to buy two heatsinks to replace it). The Kioxia drives they came with get damn toasty, much hotter than my secondary NVME drive, but I don't want to replace for ease of warranty repairs.

My previous 2018 model only had one m.2 slot but this also worked perfectly with no hassles beyond changing drive boot order.

I would speak to HP. The build consistency on these seems to be a bit hit and miss, probably why they are such great value - as an example one of the connector ports for one of the internal cables on my wife's model came damaged, I noticed it when I opened the machine to add a second m.2 drive that one side of the plastic surround was broken off. Doesn't affect it at all as the port still holds the connector from the other side, but that and the hit and miss IPS bleed on these tells me all I need to know there haha

Still love the machines though, they are genuine bargains at times compared to the UK competition.


PS has anyone found any half decent low profile nvme heatsinks that fit well inside the limited space we have and aid cooling?