HP Omen 15 - dc0051nr (new to market) i7 8750h + gtx 1060 thin bezel!

1444.15€ after a 15% discount here in Europe (1699€ retail).

 

I must add that the laptop, doesn't matter at what fan speed, gets noticiable warm in the surface.

 

I have tried everything ... No way to return to the previous bios, none of the fan controller software work due to built-in HP limitations, also HP does not offer any control fan system ... just asked through my HP account for a refund but being friday I guess I will not have an answer until Monday , I think I'm slapped with this "search for the perfect laptop" thing

 

A replacement laptop will almost certainly have the same overheating problem. In general, all new high-performance laptops need the thermal paste to be changed.
Low cpu temperature will not happen with the stock thermal paste.

 

Has anyone noticed lag for a couple of seconds in moving your mouse cursor around on the screen just after inserting or removing a USB device such as a USB flash drive? It happens regardless of what type of USB device I am inserting/removing.

 

Did you undervolt your machine?

 

Hi heraldo do you have a 1070 or a 1060 in your system, how much did it cost you in total? Is the 144 hz stock?

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Yeah ok but I have a bad inefficient chip on mine and theres a battery problem where it says "plugged in but not charging" it happens after I wake the laptop and plug it in - a restart fixes it but it's annoying - why would I keep this and do workarounds when I can just get a brand new one without issues ...hmm

 

Your laptop has poor cooling, not a bad chip. A replacement laptop will have the same poor cooling system.
The replacement laptop will overheat too.

 

Using higher watt while having lower volts and frequency than other chips seems like a bad chip to me - at least that's what I consider being a bad chip - I don't know if you know more ways to judge a bad or good chip that I don't know about.

The temps aint too bad right now after undervolting -160mv the max it gets is 90c or 91c which is fine by me as long as it doesn't hit thermal limits

Also I can hear the fans running only after 30 minutes of stressing the laptop (games, benchs) it would probably keep temps a lot lower if the fans are actually running

 

Where are you getting this information from? What other chips? Please show me.

 

Find some logs of TS of 8750H that other people posted, or if you have a 8750h, you can do it yourself and compare it to mine
My chip does 66W @ 3.9ghz and 45W @3.2

 

Here is one :
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/940162-i7-8750h-laptop-cinebenching-450cb/

Scroll all the way down to the log, 52W @ 3.9Ghz

Hmm not bad

EDIT: Here is my log

Code:

2018-07-18  21:58:50  39.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   83   0.9960   65.6
2018-07-18  21:58:51  39.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   82   0.9875   66.3
2018-07-18  21:58:53  39.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   82   0.9963   65.0
2018-07-18  21:58:53  39.00  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   82   0.9988   65.3
2018-07-18  21:58:54  36.01  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   72   0.8743   54.4   PL1
2018-07-18  21:58:55  33.43  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   72   0.8713   44.9   PL1
2018-07-18  21:58:56  33.38  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   72   0.8757   44.7   PL1
2018-07-18  21:58:57  33.31  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   72   0.8741   45.0   PL1
2018-07-18  21:58:58  33.33  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   71   0.8958   44.7   PL1
2018-07-18  21:58:59  33.33  100.0  100.0  100.0        0   71   0.8745   45.2   PL1

But it's 3.22 ghz now not 3.33​

 

What I see on that linus link is that the 45W TDP limit is exceeded and it reached a peak frequency of 3990 MHz and stayed at that frequency for unknown time.
It's your choice how to judge a cpu, but I judge the quality of a cpu by it's exact voltage/frequency, not by it's power consumption (especially when exact frequency is not clear).

 

He will get a power limit throttle too - and go to 45W like it should. But he's getting a lot more MHz for the watt. He didn't get a throttle in that log, but I'd imagine it would have been 3.7 on 45W which is pretty good.
Much better than 3.2 that I get.

 

I spent many years on overclocking forums There is a simple (and accurate) way to judge whether you have a "bad" chip or a "good" chip.
Look at voltage and frequency in cpu-z, and compare it to similiar chips.

For example, my core i5-7300HQ (with 0.15V undervolt) runs stable at 3.1 GHz at 0.87 Volts.
A better i5-7300HQ would run (stable) at 3.1 GHz but with less than 0.87 Volts.
A worse i5-7300HQ would run (stable) at 3.1 GHz but need more than 0.87 Volts.

 

So you don't take watts into consideration - but I do - the 8750H is a 6Core CPU and it only has a 45W TDP - same as your i5-7300HQ which is 4 Core and needs a lot less power to operate - with 8750H there is no head room the turbo mode goes to 3.9 but it doesn't stay there for too long because it hit TDP limit and it goes back down under 45W, so whatever frequency your chip can do at 45W is what your CPU performance limit is. Mine is 3.2GHz, that other's dude is 3.7GHz.
And cinebench score means shiet unless you run the test with the CPU capped at 45W

I can run a single cinebench test and not get throttling and I can get 1270, but the second one will probably throttle.

You never had this issue I think cuz your CPU uses less power and do not hit power limit throttle
Understand now?

 

There are other reasons why his cpu frequency can be higher than yours, such as your cpu is overheating and thermally throttling, while his cpu may not be.
If I were you, I would not use a test which gives unpredictable results on different runs.
cpu-z is a much better way to measure how "good/bad" a cpu is, because there is no power/thermal/turbo throttling to confuse us.

 

My cpu is not overheating it's well below 90C

The throttling I get is power limit not thermal

 

the bubble of a good laptop seems to be slow bursting

shame. especially by far this was the best available choice in gtx 1070 laptops in the UK. Nothing else seems to be less than 1800 pounds. If only HP could fix thermals on this. Also, if this problem is shared by both the Omen 15 and new 15T. Different chassis.

 

Cinebench tests last for 1 or 2 minutes, not enough to get temps that high
To get temps that high it needs to render longer than a minute

Power Limit throttle kicks in eons earlier than thermal throttle

You can always buy a laptop fan and lower temps - not even close as problematic as a hard limitation as power limit throttle which there is nothing you can do about it. Unless somebody knows how to remove it

I wish I had a thermal throttle... i'd just go buy a fan or turn on the ac lol

 

Did you buy the laptop to get a high cinebench score?

Or did you buy the laptop to do rendering?

You already admitted that your laptop overheats and thermally throttles when rendering.

 

You said that my cpu is overheating and thermal throttling as a reason that I get lower frequency - which is not true seeing as all we are comparing is log files from TS - don't skew things - you are confused

 

Yes, I undervolted it with XTU at -130, worked ok, but I don't know why after restarting the laptop it wasn't remembering it

i7-8750h, 16gb ddr4, GTX 1060 with 144hz screen, 256gb ssd & 1tb hdd -> 1699 with 15% discount -> 1444.15€. In my country at least is the only config with 144hz, which I don't care about as I'm not a player but I must say it looked great.

In my case the problem was updating the BIOS, F03 is dead silent and F05 is a nightmare, but after checking no third party fan control apps work with HP laptops I prefer to return it.

 

Is a shame HP does not offer a fan control and does not provide third party to be able to control them. In my case I must say the right fan was even working higher than the left. At the moment the options with fan control software I'm checking is the Gygabyte Aero 15, MSI series (maybe next time is the one), XMG NEO 15 and, although I promised myself not to return again to that world ... Macbook Pro 2018 (Macs Fan Control app works incredible and accurate to control Apple fans and have both Mac and Win versions to use in Bootcamp).

 

Well in due time I am sure someone will make one that works with the Omen. In my lenovo y510p I had a script which kept the fans going in a loop. I am sure once someone figures out the actions buttons they will write a script for fan control.

 

Live stream going on right now

 

I wanna share my findings.
First of all, watch this video:
Second, if you havent watched the video a quick summary:
Fans are adjustable only in HP software (there is a normal profile where they dont go insane)
The TDP that is adjustable in BIOS and Undervolt BOTH cause you to hit lower Boost Frequencies if you overdo them. In the video it was stated that lowest undervolt without losing boost clocks is around 125. Next, Temps. Temps no matter the profile are balanced around 90 degrees CPU, which means even if you undervolt, up fan profile, the CPU will still reach 90 degrees, but instead much higher boost clocks.
That being said, there is not a single i7-8750H laptop on the market that does not hit 90 degrees. They all either throttle to the point of irrelevancy or they are super hot.
Very few reviews properly test this really hot hexacore, and its really hard to find good data on it, because noone runs a 10+ minute full burn test on them except very few (like the video I posted did)
If you think I am wrong on any statement, let me know, I would like to learn as well.

 

thanks for the info but still doesnt work. not a big issue tbh but i hope other keys are not affected lol. still loving this laptop tho especially for the price.

 

Idk but i dont mind the fans really. im just concerned with the temps frying out the motherboard. so far, with regular usage such browsing, movies, and web browsing, my usual temps at 40-50s that is without undervolt, laptop laying flat on table under room temperature, power throttled to "better performance" in the slider. will have to wait and see once im gaming if the system's gonna hold up, but so far overall, im quite happy with the this version of OMEN 15.

 

I think the fans are fine after the bios update, but I'm coming from the Dell 7577 which sounded like a fighter jet when just starting a game.

One thing I did notice after the bios update was the fan setting was changed to always on. Took me some time to catch that.

 

From all the research I was doing before making a purchase, the omen 15 has the best balance of size and fan noise vs. performance I've been able to find without stepping up to a monster sized laptop. If you want really low fan noise your looking at something with a 15w proc and the considerably lower performance that trade makes, or massive heatsinks to keep up with the thermal output. Here with the latest bios you can always go in and drop the wattage on the proc to reduce performance and temps if whatever your doing doesn't need the full processor power.

I would love to see a setting in the Omen control panel to step the performance down one past default, perhaps integrating the wattage settings in the bios, to get the most battery life possible when not gaming with a demanding title, but just changing to better battery when not plugged in works well.

Some of the other things I like about this model vs others in it's price range or even the more pricey thinner units is the single 16GB DIMM, so you can easily upgrade to 32 if you choose, the 2.5 slot, vs just a single m2, for a cheap swap to a large SSD, decent battery size, and the keyboard is ok. Port arrangement is really good as well.

I'm not a fan of the screen. It's not terrible, just very average (reg 60Hz, auo23ed, no gsync, 144hz etc). I've managed to misplace my spyder, so I haven't made any attempt to calibrate it yet, but out of the box its pretty underwhelming. Very disappointed that OLED seems to be disappearing as an option on this generation of laptops. If someone would put out a 15ish with a decent OLED screen I'd be willing to work around a lot of other shortcomings just to have that screen.

Laptop review and owner threads are full of people with seriously unrealistic expectations. Your not going to get a 45w 6 core proc running over 4ghz without throttling and close to desktop class graphics in a 1" thin chassis and not have fan noise under load.

 

Different model but

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Gaming-Notebooks/HP-Omen-15-Heat-Issues/td-p/6763401

 

true words. haha. that's why i kinda lowered my expectations here and so for that, im feeling kinda satisfied. anyway, did any open the chassis yet? idk but there seems to be a part along the speaker where it is a bit uneven.

 

Jimsteve it was a cf of a review he didn't really prep everything... Even the tittle was wrong as it was a 60 hz panel, by far the most comprehensive review is bobs and imo he was even the first one to post it on social media... I've never been a fan of Mathew moniz though he tries hard to be funny or creative, he needs to refine his craft more... Worst thing of all I could say is he reviews thermals without doing the bios update.

Does it really matter what you carry if you can't use it to its maximum potential?

 

Understood... just sharing/posting whatever info is out there at this time without being subjective.. still quite early days for this laptop.. not all skus released yet

 

I totally agree with you if you can manage to get the Mc price it would be the perfect laptop, also agree with you that a lot of forums do have unrealistic expectations on this unit I, as the hexa core processor is really hot in not sure the chassis can support a 1070... Im already waiting for this unit on black Friday to go up on sale then, but I'm still hesitant if the new gpus will hit the market then, there will always be the next big thing to hit the market then.. Sigh...

Does it really matter what you carry if you can't use it to its maximum potential?

 

Jimsteve I really like that you shared the video dont get me wrong.. But the you-tuber was really bad in preparation could even read the specs correctly prior to the review I was really hopping he had the 144hz review but as soon as he unboxed the unit it just went downhill from there.. I really like your contributions to the forum and more power to you! Before I was eyeing the gu501 or even the GM501 series before this was released which put a wrench in my plans I was hoping to get a high performance low key laptop, instead of asus I'm planning to get this with a d brand skin

Does it really matter what you carry if you can't use it to its maximum potential?

 

Totally understand. This laptop does catch the attention especially in a market with MSI's, Asus, Alienware. I think July 29th is wide scale release of this Omen (based on amazon), so we should be getting more reviews. In notebookcheck front page, there is an upcoming review for HP Omen unit posted as well.
The GM501 is another one I am really interested in. I did see Acer helios 500, it comes to around 1700 pounds in the UK which is another sub 2000 pound option having the 1070.

 

I agree. Bob does a much better review. This Matt guy tries to be funny and entertaining, more than he tries to share accurate or helpful information. Bob is all down to business, but he's to the point, accurate, and helpful. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for but there are tons of people out there just trying to be entertaining, much less really trying to be useful. I like OWNorDisown too and I haven't tried the tweaks yet that he suggested but I will.

I tried about seven laptops so far. I've been chasing the SlickDeals posts since my previous computer (an HP gaming laptop that was almost 7 years old) died. I had been buying a lot of the laptops that have shown up on YouTube lately. This Omen and the MSI GS65 have been my favorites. But, the GS65 is twice as much.

 

Interestingly, the dc0022na (1070 max q UK version) ran out of stock today

https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=4FS89EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB

With the voucher (12% off), one was able to buy it for 1407 pounds.

 

Heraldo how is the colour space like can you kindly share the forum what the panel number of the 144hz panel? As we have some interested parties who'd like to upgrade their panels... You don't really need to take off the bezels to know the model number... I think how monitor is capable of seeing what it is

Does it really matter what you carry if you can't use it to its maximum potential?

 

Believe me I'm aching for a new laptop for a while now... Been much more busy with other as stuff as playing pc games wasn't my priority... So been carrying a g53sx since 2011.. It has a lot of quirks that I can still live with but I really want to get a lighter laptop with better performance as to what I have at the moment...

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Hi @jcrazyblue4u the panel number for the 144 hz i think is LGD05C0. This was from another buyer on reddit, who bought the similar specs as Heraldo. I am sure Heraldo can update us as well, as its definitely a step up over the 60 hz.



Reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/laptops/comments/8s7suw/hp_omen_15_2018_refresh/

 

Thanks jimsteve for the info so I'm guessing that all 144hz monitors will have a high colour space rgb wise... I hope someone confirms, there aren't many mid range laptops with 1080p 60 hz panels with good colour spacing... Do you think they'll release new gpus anytime soon?

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Does it really matter what you carry if you can't use it to its maximum potential?

 

Yes, is the LGD05C0, same used in Aero 15 and others.

 

I can confirm that the panel is LGD05C0. The screen is really good for what it's worth. Opened up Shadow of Mordor the other night (with recommended settings) and everything is just brilliant.

 

Oh that is a topic on new Gpus I would love getting answered too. If you had asked me a month ago, I would have said 1100 series coming in august. Now I dont know. A month ago, even lenovo had said they would be using the gtx 1160 in their next Y530, so Nvidia's announcement seemed inevitable.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenov...TX-1160-GPU-this-holiday-season.313874.0.html

Now suddenly, many reviewers are saying because of the drop in cryptomining, there is a huge stockpile of 10 series gpus and Nvidia would prolly delay launch till end of the year and for first time launch both desktop and mobile gpus at same time. Past week, I have been seeing videos of huge drop in prices of current gtx cards, the lowest it has been this year atleast.



So, I guess it is really upto Nvidia when they want to launch the next 11 series. I am sure they are already working with many of the laptop manufactures to plan their laptops. But, they could be held back to just ease the stockpile of current 10 series.

Usually, its best to buy a computer and forget about upcoming tech news, as every 6 months there is either a new intel or storage or screen or gpu coming soon. A better reason to slightly wait would be the back to school discounts everyone gives in august to target all the students going back to college etc. So many are just waiting for the next series, its long due now.

 

Agree totally there will be a new release eventually like my previous post but if for example you will get a 1160 to out perform a 1080 card I think I will make sense I'm not sure if your second video confirms it should be in late October new desktop cards will be announced which means that it will take at least 3 months for manufacturers like Dell or asus to roll out new models... Here's another vid I found today



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