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    HP Pavilion dv6z-7000 (AMD A10-4600M) Trinity Review

    Discussion in 'HP' started by T2050, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. link626

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    doing a battery test on my llano, I realize that trinity is more efficient at idling.
    you can squeeze out a lot of battery life by doing absolutely nothing on your trinity laptop.

    However, when you are actually surfing the web, the power usage is about the same if you undervolt llano by 0.2 volts.
    My battery discharge rate at 0.74 volts is between 10-12 watts. About the same rate as stock trinity.

    You can probably squeeze out a little more juice on trinity by undervolting, but I think the OP said that too much will lock it up.
     
  2. T2050

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    I can't see any reason why crossfire cannot work already, or if not be forced, unless HP is blocking it, which I would doubt it. But yeah seemly impossible to crossfire with the 7730M.

    I see a couple of rumors or hints the 7670M has got DDR5 in these notebooks (the Envy 4 I have does not), if this is true then that alone should make it a faster than a 7730M with DDR3.

    Does the 7670M in these new DV6z have DDR5?
     
  3. abaddon4180

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    Fyi, to all those looking for a cheap Trinity-based notebook (myself included), I just noticed that Toshiba's new L8xx series is available with them. The 14'' L840D and 15.6'' L850D both start at $399.99 and come with the A6-4400m and the 17.3'' L870D starts at $449.99 with the A6-4400m. The A8-4500m is a $40 upgrade for all three and the A10-4600m is a $100 upgrade for the L850D and L870D, unfortunately it is not available for the L840D. Still, I think $500 is the cheapest for anything with the A10-4600m.
     
  4. tbone8ty

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    oh wow that's a nice deal...yah HP has some great deals for 4th of july, gonna have to pick up one. ;)

    I want A10, 7670m, backlit keyboard ($611 with tax)....still don't know about which screen I should go with.... the 1080p HD screen ($771 with tax) or just stick with the regular 1388x768.



    may just stick with the regular screen since it is about $160 less expensive.

    Trinity is showing up at newegg finally.
     
  5. kevmanw4301

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    Not a bad deal abbadon. Too bad they won't put it in a 14".
     
  6. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    the 1366x screen is like any other 1366 on display at bestbuy. Just be sure you're ok with that.



    the official word is that the igp and dgpu are different architectures, and therefore cannot xfire.
     
  7. abaddon4180

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    Meh. I feel like the A8-4500m, maybe even the A6-4400m, would be enough for my needs anyway. I would really love to see a 13'' with the A10-4655m for less than $500

    I am wary of Toshiba, though, so I will be waiting until they put it in an HP, Asus or Lenovo; in that order. Toshiba has a terrible return policy, 15% restocking fee no matter what and you have to pay return shipping from what I have heard, and I have heard bad things about their customer service. If I see one of the models for <$450 at Best Buy, though, I will probably pick it up and test it out.

    Edit:

    Did just find this HP. A6-4400m for $399.99 from Staples.

    Second Edit:

    Probably gonna buy that in the next couple of days. I wasn't sure about the laptop return policy for Staples but just chatted with them and got,

    "Agent (Richard): "We have a 14 day return policy for electronic items including laptops. It need not be unopened. However, it should be returned in its original packaging with all the accessories. And no, there is no restocking fee for the return.""

    So I guess if it doesn't work for me I will still be fine.
     
  8. solitario07777

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    Hello could you tell me where find those stores toshiba laptop deals
    thanks

    Buy a notebook toshiba a6 flat last year and am happy with its performance and the price that i found
     
  9. abaddon4180

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    They are from Toshiba's store. toshibadirect.com
     
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    Gahhhhhhh!!!

    Why in the world aren't there any decent Trinity models out by now?

    Considering the prices of those Toshibas it looks like AMD has priced their chips really low. I'd love to see an A10-4655m ultrathin in a compact <14" size for ~$600-$700. Considering the going prices of some early Trinity laptops that are out an ultrathin at $600 with LV chip isn't out of the question. Hell, I'd like to see a Trinity in something other than a standard crappy 15.6" format and cheapo construction.
     
  12. tbone8ty

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    HP has their cool looking sleekbook with the A10 but its a 15" screen......give it time their will be 14"
     
  13. mrpelo

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    The price is inflated considering the hardware, the form factor and the display. A single RAM module on an APU that's already cramped by it's bus width is stupid and the amount they charge for the extra 2gb is even worse. There isn't an optional 1080p display. The bump up to the A10 is +$100?

    The current $600 asking price for the A10-4655m is decent but all the other options are left at stock. 1366x768 on an ultrathin with no optional upgrade path makes it an insta-pass.
     
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    Don't know if this has been asked/answered already but does Trinity's iGPU get the same boost from dual-channel RAM that Llano's did?
     
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    Yes, it does. It is alse improved greatly by clockspeed.
     
  16. tbone8ty

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    first of all no one here should be complaining about hardrive/memory configurations. yah they stink and are expensive this is what newegg is for.

    this is the first thing that you should upgrade anyways...at least there not charging apple prices for memory.

    the sleekbook has 2 dimm slots

    good luck finding any A10 or a8 with a 1080p display under 15.6"

    not gonna happen
     
  17. tbone8ty

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    so would the 7660g +7670m be overkill for 1366x768 res?

    dang we need benches and battery consumption for this setup stat!
     
  18. tbone8ty

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    also curious as to if the memory compatibility will be same as llano.

    i know there was a thread for the previous generation dv6 llano laptops

    anybody upgrade there memory yet? success? results?
     
  19. tbone8ty

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    so has anybody found out if the 1gb 7670m is ddr3 or gddr5 in the dv6z-7000?

    have a feeling its the ddr3 model :(
     
  20. R3d

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    7670m is always gddr3. If it was gddr5 it would be a 7690m.
     
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    There 2 versions of 7670m

    Notebookcheck
     
  22. T2050

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    I have been checking out the service manual for the dv6-70xx and all the dGPU are DDR3 for the AMD spec models.
    That means the 7670M with 1GB and 2GB memory are DDR3. There is no chance that any of these will come with DDR5

    One other thing to note, this is slightly off topic for the above. The service manual also states the CPU is soldered to the motherboard. Therefore if anyone buys a lower spec model with slower CPU will not be ale to upgrade the CPU in the future.

    I have put a link to the service manual on the first page (will be easier to find in the future) for the dv6, this covers both Intel and AMD models.

    Service Manual:
    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&product=5276635&
     
  23. link626

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    service manual isn't accurate.

    another guy here disassembled the m6, and there is a cpu socket and looks upgradeable.
     
  24. T2050

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    Isn't it, have you actually bothered to read it, what source (rather than a different notebook, and I am sure that is true with the m6) do you have to backup your claim for the dv6z?

    Looks clear to me what HP have stated in their manual, that the AMD are soldered to the motherboard.

    [​IMG]

    Also trying find a part number for the AMD processors. Look in and around page 79, there is no method to remove the CPU, although there is for an Intel model if you look at the Intel notes.

    At present, this is the best information available released by HP as an official service document.
     
  25. link626

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    we'll find out soon enough.

    This week there's a sale at Staples for the A8 that I returned.

    someone will disassemble it.
     
  26. T2050

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    Well there is always hope, and I hope there is a socket, which I am not holding my breath for.
    We really do need someone to pull the dv6z apart and physically check this out.

    If it does have a socket, then I still have my eye on an A6 model that will be on sale at some stage (when ever that happens), that would be under half what I paid (inflated NZ prices, of about double USA price) for the A10 that is mostly the same (apart for the parts I can change anyway). This would be ideal for an upgrade. Although after having the A10 model, I can't see myself doing this.
     
  27. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    that is from semiaccurate website.

    the 35w cpus are designed to sit in a socket. So I don't see why HP would solder them, if it's even possible.

    the service manual does list spare part numbers for the mobo, so one of these days, I will just call HP and find out if the cpu is soldered to the mobo.

    the price of the mobo suggests that no cpu is soldered to it.
     
  28. abaddon4180

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    @t2050 - Have you tried updating the graphics driver yet? I tried running the auto detect and install on this G6 with the A6-4400m and it says it doesn't recognize my device. Before I just download 12.6 directly and try to install I want to make sure it won't mess something up.
     
  29. T2050

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    I don't have the dv6z A10 as it had a faulty dGPU, I returned it about 2 weeks ago.

    Although today (low and behold) I am thinking of picking up the same g6 that you have, although my one will have a 7670M, that means crossfire. Even though crossfire is mean't to crappy in general reports.

    Also means I can upgrade the APU to an A10 if I can find a decent source. Fingers crossed the ebay A10's are not duds.

    Why am I doing this after have a fully loaded dv6z? The g6 is at a much lower price point, crossfire, upgradable, and it won't break my bank.

    Only concern is reading the g7 review. The g6 and g4 have the exact same motherboards and cooling part number. The g7 review rated the cooling very poor. Then again, I don't intend to run prime95 and furmark at the same time, that is not exactly my kind of fun.
     
  30. baii

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    Well, generally speaking Consumer HP cooling is in the bottom (though usually sufficient).
    It is just unavoidable when HP try to squeeze every inch and space out. (Right direction for business !)
     
  31. abaddon4180

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    Well I can tell you right now that this version of the G6, without the dedicated graphics, doesn't have a heat problem. I haven't tried Furmark and Prime95 stress testing, I never really saw the point in simulating something that will never come up in real use, but I haven't seen temps higher than 68C and that was after playing The Old Republic for a couple of hours in a 82F room.
     
  32. T2050

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    Thanks for that ^ although now that I am looking around at prices, the g6 is looking really bad when compared with a dv6z llano, which are about the same price, although last years model.

    The g6 has got less features, appear that everything is downgraded, e.g. battery size, only 10/100 NIC, no quad beats, plastic finish.

    hmmm, was happy with the trinity, but that was faulty and the price has inflated once again to a crazy price which I will not pay.
    I have already got a decent dv6z Intel, but I like the cool runs of the AMD, I guess the only cheap and decent option maybe a llano, trinity inflated pricing is really letting it down.

    I have found the following llano with these spec for (what is a good price here) only a small amount more than the g6.

    •AMD Quad-Core A6-3430MX Accelerated Processor
    •ATI Radeon HD 7690M Graphics 1GB Graphics
    •Beats Audio
    •500GB HDD
    •4GB RAM
     
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    I can definitely see someone buying Llano over Trinity, especially given the prices. The reason I bought this was because it was only $300, after the rebate, and I wanted something new for my sister. Pretty much everything I was able to find that compared to this was either refurbished or more expensive, sometimes both.
     
  34. Gaugamela

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    Hey guys, if you're interested to know Asus is going to release a Trinity version of the Asus N56. The Asus N56dp.
     
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    Interesting... 7730m though.
     
  36. T2050

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    Can anyone confirm if the dv6z AMD Trinity CPU is soldered to the board, or is in a removable socket?
     
  37. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    1080p IPS screen never seen before with AMD, sounds good! 7730M cannot crossfire and barely faster than integrated 7660G, so pointless...

    35W parts are using socket as I mentioned before, M6 and G6 are confirmed, so DV6z why would be soldered, especially if has more room than M6?
     
  38. T2050

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    Check the previous page in which I posted a screenshot of the processor list, the service manual has listed it as such, and no part numbers for the AMD processors. Until someone opens up the unit and confirms it, then I will believe it.

    As I had mention before I took my DV6z back due to a faulty 7730M, it appears that many of these maybe problematic.

    The new Dell Inspiron 15R has the same GPU as the DV6z (if optioned), and there are some unhappy people here:
    What they are describing is the exact same issue as the DV6z 7730M
    Video artifacts when using Radeon 7730M GPU at maximum performance setting ( Inspiron 15R 7520) - Laptop Video Forum - Laptop - Dell Community
     
  39. tbone8ty

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    Great sale at HP

    Got a dv6z-7000 with an A10, 7670m, backlit keyboard, 750g 7200rpm hardrive for $600 + tax

    Use promo code "white100" hurry have until Tuesday the 10th

    Would of been $900 with out promo code great deal
     
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    No overclocking, I'm playing Skyrim on high quality settings. This is with the 7730m. This laptop is a steal for gamers on the go. Sure you can get an i7 that will outperform it, but for bang for your buck, you can't beat this for $600.
     
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    Hey Guys,

    I just ordered a HP Pavilion dv6z-7000. Should receive it by the end of the week, Here are the specs:
    • AMD Quad-Core A10-4600M
    • 1GB AMD Radeon HD 7670M Graphics
    • 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 System Memory
    • 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
    • Back lit keyboard

    My question is, Will I be able to play games like Test Drive Unlimited 2 without overheating? How many hours can I play till it overheats if it does...
     
  42. link626

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    it most likely won't overheat, even if you play 24 hours

    the gpu and cpu can take 100*C

    However, you will have to run hwinfo64 to see if it throttles.

    HP coolsense software is supposed to have a 'max cooling' option, so you may need to set that.
     
  43. JD390

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    Thanks for the reply,

    100C, That is hot!
    What's the average temperature I would be seeing while gaming? I plan on setting the max CPU to 85% while gaming, I've heard it helps greatly.

    I also need this computer to last me for about 4 years of college, Will gaming maybe 2 hours a day limit the life of it?
     
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    You're going to have other problems long before the GPU or CPU start failing.
     
  45. JD390

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    Other problems.. Explain please lol?
     
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    It will be a long time before the CPU and GPU will fail, and more likely, it will either physically fall apart or something before then. I still have a 1997 computer setup that works, for crying out loud.
     
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    Usually either the board or PSU parts fry first.
     
  48. JD390

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    And that happens if I game on it? I'm not a hard core gamer, I need my laptop to study for college and do homework, I only wanted to game on it occasionally for an hour or two...
     
  49. kevmanw4301

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    NOOOOO. That stuff happens naturally after a lot of time. We just mean on average, the CPU or GPU has a long lifespan, like more than 10 years, while other components generally fail.
     
  50. JD390

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    Lol, Okay Thanks!

    I'm new to laptops and I'm the type of person that takes cares of his stuff a lot, So basically I'm debating on if playing Test Drive Unlimited 2 for an hour or two occasionally would be bad...

    But I guess ill play it and monitor my temperatures..
     
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