HP Spectre 13T-3000

new review at HP Spectre 13 Review - ComputerShopper.com ; they seem to like it. I'm hoping the photoshop result is an aberration, since I plan on doing photo work on mine.

Also, just as a data point: ordered mine with some changes on Jan 12, got a tracking number yesterday. Expected delivery (East Coast, 2day shipping) on Jan 28 although I'm hoping it will be earlier I originally ordered with the $200 coupon, then called the next day and asked about applying the 20% coupon. They didn't change the order price, but right after I got the tracking number I got an email with a refund to my card for the difference in coupon value. Doesn't reduce the taxes I was charged, but a perfectly acceptable outcome from my pov.

 

The Photoshop result is almost certainly incorrect. Pretty good chance that their system was suffering from some throttling at the time they did that benchmark.

 

I do so hate to pour gasoline on this age old unresolvable debate, but it just so happens I just came across this article. I post it in hopes that it ends this off-topic discussion rather than exacerbating it:

Rotten Apple? New 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro owners report multiple problems

If you take a look at the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina section of the Apple forums, you won’t have to spend much time to find threads where users are complaining about multiple issues when using one of Apple’s latest toys.

For instance, one Apple thread named “New Retina Macbook pro 13 Haswell system hang/unresponsive,” which at this point has over 91,000 views, 1,600 responses, and over 190 pages; includes multiple reports of instances where the new MacBook Pro’s keyboard and touch pad keep freezing on users. More than one new MacBook Pro with Retina owner noted that when speaking with Apple representatives, they were assured that the issues are software related and have nothing to do with a hardware problem. Here’s what one Apple forum poster had to say:

“I do have the same problem with my rMBP 13-inch and a couple of minutes ago I talked to the German Apple Support. He seemed to be honest and told me that it’s not a hardware but a software problem. He said that apple is working hard to fix this problem and is trying to publish a software update in about 2-3 weeks. He also said that not all late 13″ Retina do have this problem but I actually cannot believe that. I made a self diagnosis hardware test and it says that everything is working fine. Hopefully apple fixes this problem soon.”

Another forum poster was also told by an Apple rep that the problems are rooted in software.

“I chatted AGAIN with tech support today and they yet again assured me it is a software issue. I also ran some hardware tests and no issues were found. I have faith that it is a software issue and not a hardware issue.”

If Apple indeed plans to release a software update in the next two to three weeks in an effort to rectify these freezing bugs, we can only hope that the patch will come sooner rather than later. In the interim, there don’t appear to be any surefire fixes, so you’ll either have to exercise patience or return your new MacBook Pro and buy again once the freezing issues are completely cleared up. In general, it’s wise to not opt in early on new tech, as newly released gear often comes with initial bugs. This is a case in point.

Source

 

I know this is technically off-topic but since most of my posting lately is here and this is such a helpful community, can someone help me with an NBR/vBulletin problem? Everytime I hit either "Reply With Quote" or just "Reply to Thread" the post box carries over every other quote I've lately put into multiple posts over the past couple of days. This only happens via the browser, not when I use Tapatalk. In my 4 years and 3,000 posts I've never encountered this.

Thanks, Jeff

 

I think the problem is that people rarely compare equivalently priced PCs to Macbooks. A MBA with an i7, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD costs $1549. Unless you have a particular student discount or something it's tough to find a sale on that. The HP Spectre with the 1080p screen (still much better than the display on the MBA), i7, 8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD and the Wireless AC upgrade is only $1,365 without coupons and the 20% off or $250 off coupons are almost always available. Even at the base, no coupon price that's a $200 difference and you're sacrificing the screen quality in exchange for better build quality.

If you look at what's available at the $1600 price range you could get a business class laptop like the Thinkpad T440 or one of the higher quality Dell Latitude's that would make the MBA and even MBP look flimsy.

 

OK, did some more 802.11AC wifi testing. This time I used Windows Explorer instead of LAN Speed Test Lite. Reported speeds were higher, although with a fair degree of variance. Think I am reasonably happy with this now. It ranged anywhere between about 50mbps and 350mbps.

Widi is also working. Not sure what fixed it but may have been the system restore I did. It's laggy (any way to fix that?), but works reliably.

So the only remaining issue is the backlight bleed. I've attached a couple of pics (hopefully they attached OK). Do you think this looks normal for the Spectre13 FHD screen? I took them in the dark to fully show the effect (and with Spectre at max brightness). One is a black screen and the other is a dark scene in a movie (with bleed still visible). It was hard to get a good picture - the bleed is near the bottom two corners. It's not as bad with the lights on in the room and is only visible in black or dark screens. What do you think - normal or not?

 

Is it normal? I would have to say 'Yes' since I have returned 2 HP Spectre 13's with this same problem. (I have photos also, several pages back).

Is it acceptable? That is for you to decide. I almost wish I had kept my first one, because the second one was worse. Both were FHD displays.
On my first one, I couldn't see the back light bleed except on very dark screens, otherwise it was a beautiful display.

I am now waiting on a QHD version. If it is bad I will return it and give up, as I have an HP Envy 15t-j100 Quad SmartTouch that I also just bought that doesn't have any back light bleed.

 

Hi,

Just have some issues with my spectre these days. The laptop keeps shutting down even when it was fully charged and does not allow me to power it up unless I plug the AC charger in.

HP Support does not recognize the battery as well. When I tried the battery test in BIOS mode it was said to be OK. But...

 

I think it's a good point about comparing lower quality pcs to macbooks, but I personally haven't seen *any* machine which makes a macbook look "flimsy".

Most laptop reviews consistently tout the Macbook build quality for a reason and to me it has become evident after owning them over the years. Yes all new laptops have issues as was noted, but for example this HP spectre has several. Mine buzzes, clicks, has a mild screen leak, turns on and off sometimes until I reboot, the throttling issue, whiny fan, and crappy touchpad drivers. It's my favorite pc windows laptop so far because of the form factor and battery life.

The only reason I used macbooks is for work , at the moment I have 2 pc laptops, 1 pc windows/linux workstation, 1 macbook air, 1 iphone, 1 ipad, all for work, and the attention to polish and quality on the apple machines is noticeable. That being said I think pc manufacturers have been closing the gap over the years.

 

I want to update the information in this post. When I first disabled CPPC and rebooted, nothing had changed, the CPU was stuck on 1.57 GHz. But, since then on every boot from a power down state, I have had full dynamic throttling. Speed ranges from 760 MHz to 1,6 GHz. I haven't checked operation while plugged in for turbo.

Regards, Jim

 

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately the QHD screen is not available in the UK, so that's not an option for me.

Does anyone NOT have backlight bleed on the FHD screen (i.e. is it worth me exchanging it)?

 

Seems like my edit created a duplicate post. See below.

 

Your Envy 15t won't have it (or at least it won't be as noticeable) because it uses a TN display. IPS displays (or equivalents, as I believe the QHD display is a different technology with a similar quality) tend to show more of the backlight bleed or "IPS glow."

It's incredibly unlikely that you'll find any IPS or equivalent display that does not exhibit backlight bleed at all. It may be more or less noticeable on different displays, but it will likely still be there.

Edit: Looking at your image, I would say it's on the bad side of average. You could get one that's better (or at least more of an even spread) or you could get one worse.

 

You need to remove the CPPC driver using Add/Remove programs, that is the only way right now to get a true fix.

 

Has anyone done a battery life test with CPPD on and off? I'd be curious how much difference there is...if any.

 

I agree, but just for my understanding, where are you finding a control for CPPC in advanced power options? Just don't see it.

While we're on the subject of power options, this model seems to be missing the "time to display dim" option in advanced power options. It has a setting for how dim (%) to set it for dimming, but no option I found for when to dim. Usually I have it dim to, like, 10% after short time, then turn off after longer time, particularly plugged in. It seems like the only option is to have the screen on or full off.???

 

Coupla things:

1) if the envy 15 has a TN screen, I would normally say I would take a good bit of backlight bleed with an IPS over less/no bleed with a TN. BTW, is the envy 15 a very bright screen? Nothing special about no/low bleed when it isn;t very bright. You might even want to lower the brightness and see what that does to the bleed on your 13T.

Secon, I think you may have it confused, Raptir, I believe the QHD will show less bleed, not more. First, it is not as bright. Second, the higher pixel density literally forms something of a "screen" from the backlight, so it takes brighter LEDs in back to reach penetrate and I'm fairly certain the LED backlight is the same for both screens.

Overall, Randy, I'd think twice before chucking this if the backlight bleed is your only major issue. I have read a good bit of the Envy 15 j100 thread and there seemed to be build issues, keyboard flex, and, if the screen really is TN, I'd be amazed if, side by side, you don't see a great difference with the 13T's IPS, and that's on-axis. Once you alter your viewing angle even the best TNs distort, especially vertically.

 

Sorry to run three posts consecutively, but I find often if I combine that some things get buried. The previous two were for others, this one's for me .

So, when all is said and done - and I'm still remiss for not doing a full review - I really adore this laptop and have essentially none of the problems (1 week in) that anyone has posted here - except one, which has had the least mention of all: I have several problems with the trackpad:

1) Too often I go to either move the cursor or scroll and there is no response at all. I do notice this happens when the computer is cool and I've just started using it, so I'm hoping I can confirm that and then I'd be ok (it's been unusually cold even indoors these days so it's an anomaly. Unfortunately, I find that moving the cursor is better after warm up, but scrolling less so. I have a more general problem with scrolling...

2) Too often I am trying to scroll and instead I just move the cursor up or down. Sometimes I have to click down on the clicpad and then I seem to get better traction scrolling. Still, it "slips" too often for my liking. Plus, when it gets traction, I still find the fastest settings and full coasting still produce a much slower scroll than I'm used to, even with similar vintage clicpads on other HP machines (eg Envy 14 Spectre Ivy Bridge) and other non-HP but same vintage Synaptics driver.

3) I have made several adjustments to Palm rejection settings and sensitivity, and it has improved things, but I still get more "flying cursor" than I wish. I'm using the September 2013 17.0.5.17. My 13T came with the January update (still 17.xxxxx) but I found it worse in several respects.

So, my main question is whether I may have a hardware issue. If so, it's going to be a hard decision to let go of this machine in hopes of a better trackpad, because, fingers crossed, I seem to have gotten a real gem. I have not experienced a single problem - after applying fixes for the throttling - that anyone has raised: no buzzing, no headphone noise, no screen bleed, no build issues whatsoever, amazing battery life - still gathering data, but east 8.5 hrs of combined web, productivity, Skype, video, could be closer to 10 if I turned some things down, especially the screen, and did less video.

 

Now my battery is failed completely. Darn, now I have to wait again.

 

If the next Spectre 13 I get isn't too bad with the back light bleed, I do plan to keep it, if everything else checks out. Like I said before, I actually probably should have kept the first one but I was not informed at that point about it being fairly normal to have a little bleed on a black screen. It actually wasn't really noticeable on any 'normal' screen pages. (The second one that I received was worse though)

As for the HP Envy 15t-j100 Quad TouchSmart, I do realize that it has a TN panel and that is OK with me. I actually am not running it at it's brightest level and it is plenty bright for me. I did calibrate it and the HD screen looks great to me, very clear with good colors and contrast. I realize it is not as good as an IPS display for off angle viewing, but I'm the only one that is looking at it (from straight on) so it is perfect for my use. I also am OK with the keyboard, sound, and touch pad.

The Spectre 13 will be more for when I need to travel with a laptop. :thumbsup:

 

I said nothing about a comparison of backlight bleed between the QHD and FHD display. What I was saying in that sentence is that the FHD display is IPS while the QHD is not but is a competing technology that has similar properties as far as viewing angles/color reproduction/backlight bleed. So there shouldn't be much difference in that regard.

And unfortunately things don't work the way you've posted with pixel density and backlight bleed. The FHD display has fewer pixels but they are larger and do not impact the backlight bleed.

 

When does yours ship? Mine says Feb 4th ship. Hopefully they ship it early again. I had a QHD/i7/8gb/256/AC and everything was good besides the screen. Very little to no screen bleed and then during setup I found a line of dead pixels. Called HP said they would exchange it no worries, and gave me free 2 day shipping. Hopefully the next one is just as good. HP need to turn up the QC checking! Bought this over a macbook pro retina.

 

Edit: nvm I wrote the wrong thing, and it is requiring me to have more than 10 words written

 

I have seen a brightness maximum of 340 NITS stated in print for the Spectre 13t-3000. However, there is no confirmation if that is for the FHD and/or QHD screens. Can anyone confirm if one screen is brighter than the other of if they are both 340 NIT capable? I have seen a couple posts stating the FHD screen is brighter but I would like to know if there is official HP material confirmation of this anywhere. I sure can't find it.

 

There is some mysterious fluid that appears near the power button of my spectre.

I hope the second one has no problem comes with it.

 

Did you apply the power button fluid update ver 2.9.5 recently?

 

Anyone know how HP or any computer company handles customer product returns in terms of reselling the items to other customers? I know just about everyone here would be very unhappy to find out that their "new" ultrabook or an exchanged one being sent to them has been in hard use in another person's home for 21 days. I am real curious what HP does with a customer returned PC. Is it resold to another customer? If so, what quality control or testing do they do with the product prior to reselling? Is a system that is returned due to a real performance issue report by a customer but not "validated" by HP staff just checked for visible scratches, cleaned up and reboxed for the next customer? Anyone have any insight into this?

 

I was always under the impression that returns were sold as refurb to another customer. I know at least Lennovo does this. They have an outlet store where they sell machines with conditions ranging from like new to a bit scratched at discount prices. I'm not really sure how it is for HP though.

 

Thanks lovelaptops. I think I am going to return it and take the risk of getting maybe an identical or worse one. I understand that some backlight bleed on a black screen can be normal and am not too worried about that if it doesn't impact real world usage. As you can see from the images I attached though, this is visible in dark scenes in movies on my Spectre13. Hopefully the next screen I get will not have noticable bleed in movies (i.e. my expectations here are reasonable.)

 

Looking at your picture in a previous page your backlight bleed is definitely worse than mine. I have a little when the HP boot screen shows but it reduces significantly as soon as the Windows drivers kick in. For real world usage, try the following link and maximize to fill the screen: Backlight Bleed Test - YouTube

 

I returned the Spectre and bought a rMBP 13. If you can swing the MacBook and don't have some compelling use for the Spectre's touchscreen (I couldn't find one), trade it in for one. It's worth the premium. I'm sure this'll annoy some folks, but this is twenty years with Windows talking. Try the Kool-Aid. Unless the thing up and explodes tomorrow, I can't see my impression changing.

 

You can also just create a large all black image in Paint and view it in full screen

...or if you have a use for Windows software, since performance and battery life in Bootcamp is still abysmal.

 

I compared this to mine last night and it's pretty similar... I'm actually considering an exchange now as well. I noticed that even when playing games with a dark background (Diablo 3 specifically) I could see the backlight bleed. Ugh.

 

I wonder if all FHD Spectre13s have this, as a few people have reported it now. Also I looked at the backlight bleed photos posted by randy_in_nc (a lot of pages back) - looks pretty similar to mine. Is yours the FHD or QHD?

 

Mine's QHD. But mikeynavy posted that his is not nearly as bad.

 

Hmm, maybe in that case there is just a degree of variance between different units. rany_in_nc did also mention that his 2nd machine had worse backlight bleeding than the first (both FHD).

 

BTW, your quote is not from my post, but not dissimilar to mine. I spent some time last night playing around with my 13T QHD and two other modern FHD or close very bright 13-14" screens. Conclusion: the one with the most bleed showing on static splash screens (my Sony Vaio Z 2010) I could not find any kind of "active" content in which the bleed was noticeable. Perhaps more importantly, I tried every way I could imagine to produce backlight bleed from my 13T's QHD and could not! To my knowledge, no one with the QHD has reported seeing this either - though this is a long thread and I could be wrong; please point out if anyone knows to the contrary. I do hope you are "lucky" with your next shipment.

Mfrs cannot legaly resell a used, returned, refurbished laptop as anything but "Refurbished." They are sold on the mfrs' own "Bargain, Refurb," sites or sent to the retail channel where both first line etailers (Amazon, Newegg, etc.) will sell the refurbs and a second and thrid tier also participate (example coming to mind, Blinq.com - quite reputable and unconditional 30 day return policy) the latter usually, though not always, when the models are older, even replaced by newer models. I have purchased many refurbs in the past 5 years and am generally very satisfied with them. First, you save 20%=50% depending on how old the model, what wtty they provide (see below) and whether it is the mfr or a reseller. Next, especially if they have been refurbed by the OEM (not always the case, so you need to check), chances are that you have a much greater likelihood of receiving a defect free product than when you get it new in the box, especially when - more often than not - brand new models need driver updates and sometimes hardware fixes to function flawlessly. In essence, you have the luxury of having the first owner deal with the pain and HP having already learned what is needed to make their new products work without problems. I have never purchased a refurb that didn't appear brand new, though they are sold with notations that they "might" have light wear marks. Some refurb dealers have a condition rating scale (1-10). Finally there is the issue of wtty. Some OEMs will sell refurbs with full new wttys, but usually not. Most common is 90 days. But you can always buy up to a full new product wtty including ADH - it's only a matter of price, and where you end up relative to buying a new unit. Also, some refurbs have no return/refund terms but most have shorter ones - 7-14 days max. Personally, I just about never buy new cars - and never, never 1st years of totally new models) and often apply the same logic to other products, especially electronic devices. Though the price premium for new vs. used is much smaller (in $) than with cars, I find I pay far less for generally best of breed equipment by setting by closeouts of newly replaced models or refurbs of current or previous year models. I also do a fair amount of "trading" with electronics - buying and selling refurbs/closeouts from etailers or via eBay, NBR Marketplace and sell the same way. As a result I can "play" with a lot of gear I wouldn't want to throw that much money into otherwise, and I rarely lose much if any money reselling if an item is not to my taste.

Ok, lots more than you were asking, but I think this is good stuff to know for any who have never delved into the murky world of refurbed computers!

I stand corrected; you appear to know more about this than I. I can, however, attest to having read and empirically observed that higher pixel density, all other things being equal, will result in lower measured maximum brightness on a screen and (this latter only observed, not read) any given screen at lower brightness produces less background bleed. In the case of the 13T, I look forward to the results attained by those who have returned their FHD models and ordered QHD versions. I have not been able to generate any backlight bleed at all on my QHD 13T. Funny, I was so close to ordering the FHD; ordered the QHD for curiosity, expecting to find the text/image scaling inadequate and likely returning it! Turns out it is, as others with it advised, simply awesome. I would prefer it to be brighter, but it is bright enough, and brighter would just mean lower battery life.

 

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Good to know that the HP returns and likely those of other manufacturers are being routed through appropriate refurbish channels which also offers good purchases for customers.

 

No QHD can also have bleed! Mine did but it was very very little but ended up returning mine because it had dead pixels on the left side of the screen and lines of stuck pixels. On the FHD vs QHD screen technology. Some one very long ago posted that the FHD is definitely IPS. And according to them the QHD might be IGZO because the slight variation in viewing angles.

 

I'm not sure if this is "normal " but when the screen first turns on from either sleep or start up , it seems to "warm up" a little and starts dimmer than usual then brightens. Not a tremendous difference , but curious if this is normal behavior for an IPS screen. Btw it's a bit cold here in the Northeast and the notebook case around the screen always feels a bit chilly . I also have brightness set at fixed 100 % with auto dimming off.

 

If by 'abysmal' you mean equal and often better to native Windows systems, then yes.

Apple 13" MacBook Air 2013 (Running Windows 8): Review

The only unusual drop is with the dual-GPU MacBooks that Windows doesn't properly manage. Otherwise, the only thing you're giving up is the touchscreen.

 

IGZO is an LCD technology patented by Sharp and used first in the computerworld in MBAs which is why they get such insanely high battery life. It uses about 30% as much power as traditional LCDs. IGZO is not an alternate to IPS or TN, but a complimentary technology for lighting LCDs. I don't know if the 13t uses IGZO displays but I suspect not because my understanding is that all current 11" and 13" prodn cap. is spoken for by you-know-who. It was developed for large HDTV screens and I'm not sure if any are in production yet but the savings in a 55" LCD is several orders of magnitude greater than on little computer screens though ironically consumers would be less conscious of the savings because few monitor their hdtv's power consumption. Still, it will have more societal impact as it becomes the norm. I have no source to back this up but I believe that the 13t's are not IGZO and both are IPS judging by the viewing angles on my qhd. There are alternative ips-like tech, eg, PLS, a Samsung patent, but I've only heard of Samsung using them on their own branded computer screens.

As far as the QHD on the 13t haing "very, very little bleed that squares with my observation of "none," as both qualify as inconsequential. Sorry to hear about your dead pixels. I hope you ordered a replacement, as yours is probably the first reported on these 125+ pages.

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... and 40% of battery life and about 25% of cpu performance (despite the rare measurement to the contrary) - and almost all of the virtues of the famous Mac click pad. I report these both from my own testing on a 2012 MBA and from a large number of mainstream testing "labs." Possibke exception: the 2013 MBA as I the only comparison I've seen of bootcamp/OSX comparisons of that model is the one you cite. Color me skeptical but open-minded (Also, I don't really trust my own benchmarking!)

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I am still inclined to believe that the performance on boot camp is worse than that of the 13t w/i7 with throttling corrected by uninstalling Intel CCPD, (except maybe graphics - 5100D on the Mac - and SSD speeds) and side by side the QHD and Retina comparisons look to me like a draw. If you need to run mostly Windows-only apps I have found it nearly unanimous among professional testers that one should not invest in a Mac to primarily run Windows in boot camp or vm. Also, for me anyway ( not the sharpest tool in the shed!) I have never learned to do OS stuff on OSX nearly as fast or intuitively as in Windows, my "first OS language" Let me conclude on giving the rMBP its due. As truly impressive a build as the HP 13T has, historically I'd have to give the nod to the (1 lb heavier) rMBP for durability and definitely resale value. However, on one of the former competitive strengths of Macs vs all others - support - Apple is no longer the top in all surveys and wherever its rank, those ranking behind have greatly narrowed the margin. Still, I tend to stand in awe of both rMBPs as magnificent pieces of hardware with no other brand consistently matching them. For now the HP 13T is a relatively rare exception, with perhaps the newest Dell XPS 13th and newest Lenovo X1 also narrowing the margin. However you stack it the segment is becoming highly competitive.

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Hey guys/gals,
I received a driver update notification from the HP Support Assistant this afternoon.
An IDT HD Audio Driver 6.10.6493.0 and an Intel Management Engine Interface (MEI) driver 9.5.15.1730
I just installed the drivers and CPU throttling appears to be working for me. I have not made any other adjustments to my system settings.

 

I've been using the 13t-3000 (qHD screen) for a couple weeks now and am quite happy with it, with one caveat. I sought out this thread because of a pronounced dark streak along the left side of the screen which has become bothersome. The infamous 'backlight bleed' is present in the same part of the screen, but that actually doesn't bother me very much. It's actually most offensive with brighter backgrounds. Worth going through the hassle of warranty repair, or just something to live with? I understand that there will be some light falloff at the screen edges/corners, but this seems too severe. Running my desktop taskbar on the left side obscures it somewhat.

 

Haven't seen that problem yet (darker on the left side).

I personally couldn't live with that and would send it in for a repair or replacement.

I must say, these display quality problems are starting to concern me.

 

Okay cool that's what I thought too but was just restating what someone said. I did reorder mine. HP honored my 20% and gave me free 2day shipping in the form of a credit refund. Its fully loaded without win8pro though. The computer was basically perfect literally everything worked great except the track pad sometimes. And the dead pixels is what really ticked me off cause everything was working as it should. I tried using dead pixel fixers to no avail. So anyways sweet deal for $1,220

 

I can't say I can blame you considering how much grief you've had. This said, though I am aware at my risk of overstating an inclination I cannot prove, the evidence from the numerous owner posts on this thread regarding screen problems - most notably backlight bleed - come from owners with the FHD screen. Not that there's any excuse for acurrent-day 13" 1080p lcd display to be unusable, it seems this problem is easily "cured" by returning the FHD unit and replacing with a $70 upgrade to the QHD, which, btw, happens to be an outstanding screen even when displaying 1080p and lower resolution content.



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Glad you decided to hang in there. I feel the same way as you, including about trackpad (see below), but this laptop is so well designed and built and does so much so well.

I've got it down to two issues, neither it must be said, are show-stoppers:

1) Trackpad - written about this several times. Gotten it down to, slow scrolling/occasional lack of traction (either can't move the pointer at all or when trying to scroll with two fingers it only moves the cursor, doesn't cause a scroll.) I've noticed it's usually when I've recently fired up the machine and the surface of the touchpad is cool to the touch that these two things occur. I've learned an ingenious workaround for when this occurs: use the touchscreen - duh! Still inconvenient and shouldn't be necessary, but it does resolve the problem until the touchpad warms up in a few minutes. The other touchpad problem I had is also mostly resolved: still get an occasional "flying cursor" while typing. A member here helped me adjust the "Smartsense" palm rejection settings for best result and to reduce the touch sensitivity just enough to ignore a light palm brush while typing but no so insensitive that it worsens the other problem I mentioned above.

Anyone's thoughts greatly appreciated. One last think I may try is to install the generic drivers from the Synaptics web site (other Hp drivers are worse!) I'd lose the W8 gestures on edges, but don't use those anyway.

2) Intel WIDI Wireless Screen - video works fine but audio has "hiccups," blacks out fraction of a second every couple of seconds. (I'm using a Netgear PTV-2000 receiver at the TV and it works fine with two different laptops with two different Intel wifi cards.) Anyone have any luck with WIDI, ideas for me to try?

After one week and quite a bit of regular usage, these are my only issues. Pretty good, I'd say.

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