*HP dm3 (1XXX series) Owners Lounge*

running 720p/1080p mkvs in media player classic w/ DXVA. With DXVA performance is great.

 

Question.

Anyone know if the only way to get a black dm3 is from microsoft?

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/HP-Pavilion-DM3/product/C026CBA0




And do you think it looks better than the standard dm3?

 

http://gizmodo.com/5406280/adobe-fl...full+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

Beta for flash 10.1 is out. I installed it on my dm3z, and now 480p hulu works flawless fullscreen =)

 

Thanks you.

 

Very interesting.


Now try this hulu clip, the moment of truth comes, how does the 3200 fare

http://www.hulu.com/hd/47652


be sure to set to the 1280x720 option.

 

Well, I hate to defect before I even get my dm3t, but the new asus is just WAY too good to pass up.

I am getting a pack of those clear skinstylers, so if anyone would like to take a single off me when I get them, give a shout.

 

Didn't see this posted. I know this is a dm3 thread, but thought you guys might be interested. Asus just announced the UL30VT. I think i saw the UL80Vt mentioned elsewhere. Like the UL80VT, UL30VT comes with discrete graphics, and comes with an overclocked SU7300. Hopefully it can also boast the same type of battery life (or close to) the UL30.

I'm not trying to say the dm3 is a bad option by any means, but I thought some people might want to consider this. However, no price or release date has been mentioned.


http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/asuss-ul30vt-announced-somehow-finds-room-for-discrete-graphic/

 

smooooooking deal!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...m_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL111709-_-SSD-_-L0E-_-20157021

i told myself 80gb was the absolute minimum i'd get
and this baby comes in at $190 w/ free shipping after $50 off coupon code
soooooooooo tempting!
think i might find a better deal than this on BF or CM?

 

Anybody know what the external dvd-rw that comes with some dm3`s looks like does it match the dm3?

Anybody have a link to a photo.

Thanks.

 

the dimensions are almost identical but the g210m and the switchable graphics (and longer battery life) are a HUGE plus ... oh well, if they'd wanted my business they'd have released it in october so we'd have reviews by now ... engadget says around $750, maybe for the base model (? su4100, 4-cell battery) -- meaning that it might cost a bit more than a comparable dm3, but it'd probably be worth it. got my fedex tracking number on the 13th like some other person a bunch of posts back, finally started working and should arrive this friday, pretty psyched.

 

Don't see how this is better than the dual core athlon 64 at 1.6ghz with the 4330 swwitchable graphics for $711 after taxes for me. I'm not sure how the g210 stacks up to the 4330 though doesn't seem to be much better except for unified shaders vs the old geforce line up and finally hits 10.1. Thats base msrp. To get the actual performance its claiming i most likely need a better battery and by the time i upgrade everything to the specs in the hp i'm most likely looking at over $900 and with taxes close to a grand.

 

thats a good deal. I don't know if 80 gigs is enough for me. Also remember thats the slower intel first gen drives. They produced two drives the x-18 and the x25 and then the new drives.

So the x18 is going to be slower than the ocz which are slower than the faster intel. But still faster than kingston.

If you can go with 80 gigs then its a good deal i guess. I still think for $250 the kingston at 120 gigs is a better deal for a laptop. With this it seems to come with external enclosure so you can put your old drive in it and bring it with.


Also just a heads up. All these drives except the new intels use 50nm flash. It takes 16 chips to make 32 gigs. The new 32nm flash that hte intel chips use take 8 chips as they are double the density and they use less power and produce less heat. They are also faster

So your going to see alot of the 30gig and 60 gig OCZ and other drives on sale for black friday. I'm thinking in march you will see 60 gigs replace the 30gigs at those price points ($160) and 120 gigs replace the 60gig in price ($230-$280) and then the 256 drop down into the $380-450 range. So you should see $100 price drops then.

Thats why whatever I'm buying now is going to go in as a secondary drive in my pc in the future. I'm going to get something cheap enough and good enough that its not a big deal.

 

That's the blu-ray drive but, it gives you an idea.

 

Non-chrome trackpad, faster cpu, gpu, lighter, and #1 -- double the battery life.
Oh, and dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdn for those who care.

besides that, beats me.

 

You need beta 9.11 cat drives to get it to work properly. so you have to mod the drivers for our cards . So i wouldn't expect it to work properly yet.

so we are still waiting on these drivesr so things actually works. Right now you don't get a speed up for flash 10.1 on amd. I think the drivers are coming tommorow

Anyway he tests the atom with the ion chipset and you see drastic cpu % drop downs. So on the amd platform its going to be even better . This is again why i've stated that the amd side is better than the intel. The intel igp will not accelerate flash and so the amd system will give better playback once the drivers are out

 

it'll probably be priced at $820 or $850, since that's how much the UL80VT-A1 is going for

 

These are beta drivers, mhd4500's aren't working so great with them so far, but at least they're supported, unlike the gma500's and 950's.

Anyways, there's always the 105m option on intel which is nvidia and is very supported by adobe.

 

Fair point mate. Well, at least it got answered third time lucky!

Yea, I'd like to take you up on that please mate.

 

track pad doesn't bother me so i don't see the problem. The cpu is only faster when over clocked and your not going to get double the battery life with it over clocked. The gpu may or may not be better , it hasn't been tested yet though it unified the shaders and thus performance may only be on par. . It may be lighter but not a big deal . The battery life may be better but i doubt its going to come in the base package.


So yea mabye for another $300 bucks its better. But thats another $300 bucks.

The default bulid of the amd set up is only $450-550 depending on the deal you get. I got the 4330 in mine for $660 before tax. The asus starts at $750 and we don't know what it comes with.

So we allready see that simply using the g210 is going to take more power. We also don't know if its the defualt option. They could very well ship it at $750 with just the intel igp and then charge more for the intel discrete option. We also don't know what size battery they give you. It may come standard with the 4 cell.

To simply stand up and claim this is better is a bit of a lark . We don't really know much

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=57XDSj2LxRg41F0d

So how much is the celeron 1.2ghz (def not anywhere near as fast as the amd turion) with the intel igp going to cost ? is this the $750 version ? is this the one that gets 12 hour battery life with the bigger battery ?

is the base model going to be $750 with home basic ? The dm3 comes with home premium as the base

Is the celeron plus intel igp plus home basic with 4 cell battery that gets most likely half the battery time (6 hours ) going to be the $750 priced verison engadget is expect ?


You see how this works. its easy to compare with the dm series when you just look at marketing. But here Is what i know.

The core 2 duo at 1.4ghz with the g210 with both active and the core 2 duo on the 4 cell battery will not get anywhere near 12 hours of battery life. On the 4 cell battery your lucky if that gets as much s the athlon + 4330 on the hp model and your going to be paying alot more for it.

 

they'll charge a premium for the smaller pc. This also has a bunch of optinos for it. I'd be surprised if the core 2 duo with the g210 , 4 gigs of ram , 7200rpm drive and 8 cell battery is less than $900. Which is almost $300 more than my amd dm3z with 4330. For that $300 I can buy another battery and an ssd drive.

Anyway as i've said. For me I need thid dm3z to last me till the end of 2011. At that point real cpus for mobile computing will be out. The fusion will launch late 2010. The fusion is the amd bulldozer core (their 8 core cpu with hyperthreading the first cpu from amd with that feature) and will come with the 5450 igp built into the cpu. not the motherboard. So power consumption will be crazy low while using the ipg.

Right now on the cusp of 2010 with dx 11 just entering the market there is no reason to spend crazy amounts of money on a laptop esp not one for gaming. All the gpus on the market are already obsolete.

Dx11 has features like tessliation that are specificly designed to take pressure off the cpu and bandwidth avalible. When games start using dx 10 as the base all the gpus for laptops wont run games for . Even the 4850 discrete cards adn x2 cards in laptops will be worthless.


and you know what its easy to rationalise $300 bucks. But at what point does it stop. For $300 more than the asus you can get the envy. for $300 more than that i'm sure you can get something better than that and so on and so forth.


The point is at $450-$550 the default dm3z is hard to beat. I don't think the asus will come close to it except in battery life but for price i think it will still be $100-200 more for a similarly equiped asus. the dm3z with the 4330 will also be hard for them to beat in price. It is only $660. The dm3t may be closer to their pricing though. Thats what $750 for the nvidia gpu ?

 

good points
but hard to imagine Asus will sell a loaded UL30 for anything more than $900. a loaded UL80VT goes for $820, with less than an inch difference, if the UL80 sells for $900+, people with half a brain will just go for the UL80VT.
here's my prediction on their pricing:
UL30 w/ 4500mhd, 8 cell, su7300 = $750-800
UL30 w/ g210, 8 cell, su7300 = $850-900

maybe a Best Buy exclusive? with 8 4500M, 8 cell, su7300 = $700-750
but i heard BB will be getting the UL80, so that probably won't happen.

 

yup and i think we can agree then that at $450-550 that people are paying for the dm3z its a great product. 5 hours of battrey life with flash acceleration vs $750 for faster cpu power but crap gpu power and double the abttery life.

So you look to yourself and figure out if $200-300 is worth the extra battery life with worse performance. Then with the $850-900 price point the g210 with 8 cell will get double the battery life non oc but when you oc the cpu and run the gpu your looking at most likely 8 hours of time or less (still really good by any means) and your looking at still $200-$300 more than the dm3z with 4330 gpu. So is the extra cpu performance and mabye extra gpu performance and battey life worth $200-300 more ? Thats the question for many .
Lets also not forget tax on this. I pay 7% tax. 7% on 300 is what another $21 bucks.

it all adds up.

I think for the money the dm3z is a great buy. The intel dm3t depending on how prices pan out may not be such a great buy.

I'm really looking foward to seeing if anyone comes out with an 8 cell battery for the dm3z. at that point it realyl woudl be a perfect machine.

 

once again, thanks for your insight
i had it in my cart and was about to checkout. i have a problem... if something strikes me as a good deal, i rarely think twice about it.

 

yes, but for a large percentage of people.. a laptop needs to last in battery, if 5 hours is enough for you, you have your perfect laptop.

others like the option of having 9-12 hours available. And yes, the 210m is appx 20-30% faster based on 3dmark03-vantage

 

read the anandtech article. the o/c adds only 2-3w. Besides, it was benchmarked at o/c and idle was 13hr, flash heavy internet was around 10hrs.

And why would you turn on the gpu if you aren't gaming? If you are gaming, then sure, but don't tell me the dm3z gets 5 hrs gaming.

 

My unrelated 2 cents...

I'm goin' to cross my fingers and hope that the dm3 with the dual-core AMD neos go down in price if/when other brands start releasing models with those CPUs. I guess I have to cross another set of fingers for this all to happen around X-mas and/or January.

 

talliwacker, if it doesnt fit your needs go find the thread that addresses yours. The DM3z is a nice laptop, very sturdy, professional looking, and there are a lot of people that dont need battery life that long, but like to carry the laptop from place to place every day. For $500 and under its an amazing value.

 

So what is the idle temperature of the dm3z cpu, I have heard it`s around 50c is that correct?

 

Here is my belief . Unless you need it right now then wait. If oyu can get the kingston at under $200 for the 120 gig go for it. Thats a great deal even if later on it just because a game / app drive on your desktop.

If not wait till ocz and others announce their 30nm drives

 

do you have reviews ? Anand lists the g210 here

From what i've found it performs better at 3dmark (as nvidia allways has) and the same in games.

Also they are not quoting the time with the core 2 duo and 210m. The 12 hour time is for the celeron at 1.2ghz and the g45 igp from intel.

 

Last night browsing this site i was at 34c core 0 and 26c core 1. playing a game its gone up into the low 50s.

The only thing hot on the mobo is the igp the hd 3200 it seems and the mobo as it goes up to 60 at idel but doesn't really go up past that even if gaming on the 3200

 

Sorry for the newbie question but I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the graphics are always on the best quality with the DM3t with the 512mb Nvidia graphics chip. I got mine with that and the Su7300. Does it default to some sort of crappy integrated graphics when on battery power?

TIA

 

Tomshardware has put out a great feature on cool n quiet for amd cpus . Dm3z users should read it and follow it. It can possibly get you good battery life improvements. I can't try until later tonight after classes

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-power-management,2453.html

the athlon he used (a desktop one) went from 81 watts to 61 watts power consumption at idle and he saved another 10 watts at load.

but on our scale even 1-2 watts is a big win for us. I'm going to have to give it a try later

 

Can somebody with an DM3z run the crystal cpuid software and post a screen shot, the x64 software is in the link below, as there is very little info on the L335

Thankyou.

http://release.crystaldew.info/CrystalCPUIDx64

 

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3665&p=6

Power ratings on the 8 cell with overclocking.

I've never said the dm3z was a bad laptop, I actually find it a really great value -- but for some of us the extra juice is worth the extra cost -- and I'll also add that: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/laptop-reliability-survey-asus-and-toshiba-win-hp-fails/

Just food for thought if someone was on the fence.

 

Guys who bought the SP9300/105m....

Can you please give us an update on heat and battery life? Specific figures (temps) would be greatly appreciated!

 

FYI Adobe Flash that takes advantage of hardware acceleration is now available so take this into consideration if you were thinking of purchasing the Intel integrated graphics unit.

Here's the link:
Adobe Labs Flash Player 10

 

haha that's pretty harsh, 6% higher malfunctions after 2 years, 10% after 3, though there are probably a lot of confounders, like what types of laptops they're selling, if any particular models are more problematic than others, and the types of malfunctions. i have 3 hps, just had to replace 2 hard drives, no big deal. i read all over the place that asus has poor build quality, but who knows. just based on those numbers if i were any other consumer i'd say asus has the edge.

to me the ul30vt, as it is currently advertised, is a pretty attractive option, even though my dm3 got delayed another 3 days (ARG!). the ul80vt has like 10 hours battery life (also g210m with switchable graphics) so i don't doubt the ul30vt with switchable graphics could do the same. as for the price i'm not sure the $750 number comes from asus, maybe just an estimate by engadget? if you can wait a couple months for reviews to come out, then wait, but if you're like me and need something soon then the dm3 is a good option.

 

I have the 3200 (DM3-1030US) 4GB Ram. At 1280x720 with Flash 10, video was watchable, but slightly choppy almost 100% of the time.

With Flash 10.1, the same video in 1280x720, was smooth about 80-90% of the time, with only the slightest choppy second or two here and there.

I'm not a videophile, but with 10.1, it was completely watchable and smooth a good 85% of the time. With the 10.0 version, it was still watchable (the choppy-stutter was very slight - just persistent), but not nearly as pleasant an experience.

Last night I tried to watch a Family Guy episode full screen in the native 1366 resolution. It was pretty much unwatchable. That same episode after the update still chops here and there, but is again, about a 90% better experience.

Considering this is the first public beta, I would expect this to get better still by the final release.

Hope this helps.

 

Yes I read this review. Its a diffrent laptop.

If the laptop we are talking aobut in this thread got the same battery life then it would get greater battery life with just the celeron and intel ipg and they would be bragging about that . Also in his tests he never used both the gpu and oc cpu at once. Notice that is missing and even then this is on an 8 cell battery with a more expensive (at the time $850) machine. Why are you comparing an $850 machine to $500 machines and $650 machines it makes no sense at all dude.

Should I come into the asus thread and start posting the envy 13 specs ?

 

Hilarious "review" of the dm3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOAn2avMMMQ



I think the guy was a bit confused. He tried to open it from the back end, and could not find the power button in the vid, after having panned the camera aimed at it earlier in the vid.

 

this laptop is really cool, small, light, and can be customized to become a little monster! about to pull the trigger around thanksgiving.

i'm wondering - does anyone have a configuration with the G105+SP9300 that also includes the solid state drive? if yes, can you post the Windows Experience Index on it, as well as the battery life?
I believe the battery life without the SSD was ~5h web usage, I think I read this some pages ago?

Thanks!

Sorin

 

I have the dm3 1030us model

I just downloaded flash 10.1 beta and also the new catalyst 9.11 driver

I did see a difference on Hulu at 380 full screen no lag but at 480 full screen there is still a slight lag however an improvement than before the updates

anyone else concur on my findings?

 

UL30VT should retail for $850. It will have an 8-cell battery like the UL80/UL30. It will have bluetooth. Those statemenst were taken from the Asus Rep on Amazon.com. Yes, we do have 210M benchmarks (look in my sig). It is roughly 40% faster than the 4330/G105.

Yes, the dm3z is cheaper. If you're under a budget (500-700), don't mind having a functional but not so amazing track pad, and don't mind having a warm laptop on your laptop, then I'd recommend the dm3z/t over the UL30VT. It all depends on the person and what they want. The dm3z is certainly the much sexier looking laptop. Teehee!

I'll be posting my review of the dm3z + Radeon 4330 sometime here soon.

 

Well yes we want the dm3z because we are in the dm3 thread. See how that works. we don't need trolls pimping the asus in here that is much more expensive. I will tell u what. I will come to the asus thread and start posting how awsome the envy is for only $700 more. Will I be trolling right at that point ?

Obviously someone looking at a dm3z is doing so because of price.

 

Catalyst 9.11 has been released for the HD3200, cannot test for flash 10.1 support as i dont have my DM3z yet.

download link below.

http://go.notebookreview.com/?id=525X832&url=http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.HTML

Any chance of somebody helping me with the request below, +REP for helping

Can somebody with an DM3z run the crystal cpuid software and post a screen shot, the x64 software is in the link below, as there is very little info on the L335

Thankyou.

http://release.crystaldew.info/CrystalCPUIDx64

 

thanks for the link ATI link
it works beautifully! after installing flash 10.1, there was no significant improvement and cpu usage hovered around 89-94% while streaming a 480p hulu video. after installing catalyst 9.11, cpu usage dropped to 49-54% and plays without any stuttering.

here's the crystal cpu image

 

Thanks for the cpu info +REP

 

happy to report that i noticed no stuttering in the couple minutes that i watched at 1280x720
however, cpu usage spikes from 80-90%. but much better than the ~95% for 480p hulu, prior to the catalyst 9.11 and flash 10.1

 

yea i'm sorry man. I have the higher end chip otherwise i would have done it for ya .