*HP dv5z (1XXX series) Owners Lounge* **PUMA Goodness**

SMAN, thanks for the link. Strange that for the AMD-specific board specs, they list Nvidia MCP parts. It seems like someone at HP copy/pasted that info from a previous manual revision without actually checking it. Oh well.

 

I'm curious about that as well. If the m770 is a derivative of the 770 desktop chipset, then it is unlikely. The thing that keeps me wondering is the fact that the northbridge was still called a Radeon IGP in the posted pics. The m770 is also referred to as the RX781 northbridge. It is beginning to seem unlikely as I type this though as I checked the code names and the desktop RX780 is actually the 770 chipset. If that remains true for the laptop chipsets, then there really isn't any IGP in the versions with the Radeon 3450.

Oh and Atin, don't worry about it, like I said, I should've posted the quote along with my message, especially since it was on a new page.

 

That doesn't make a lot of sense, the only 770 I see is a desktop chipset. For mobile/Puma it's just M780G.

 

Well with that deconstruction guide posted, someone with a 3200 needs to take pics of their chips.

 

Just to counter my last post, if the RX781 doesn't support an IGP then HP wasn't entirely truthful in their initial sales e-mail. Here's the quote:

So according to HP, the dv5z is supposedly capable of Hybrid Crossfire. What confuses me is why there isn't any mention of the m770 on AMD's website. l

EDIT: Also, CPU-Z reports the mainboard as using a 780G. I wonder if this is a mistake of CPU-Z or if the info is mistaken in the manual.

 

Did anyone get any hits of the serial numbers from the chips i posted, that would give us an answer to these questions.

 

Unfortunately not much. I checked on Sunday and got one hit but I can't remember what I typed in. It was for the IGP and it took me to a Chinese site where I could buy the actual chip. Other than that, I haven't found any other info.

 

Alright everyone, I'm going to try HP's online chat again and post the whole conversation here to see if we can find anything out.

 

Ok sorry for the double post in advance, I just didn't want this to be missed or overlooked in an edit:

Then the conversation got cut off as I was about to ask him why I had to pay more to use a product I already had to it's fullest extent.

 

I would edit out your SN and stuff from this. your not gonna get very far with this search when going through HP. The whole HP laptop department is farmed out to Quanta. And even they farm out their bios programing to Insyde. So going through the $8/hr web chat techs won't find out, and if you do get them to say it supports it, there is no way to hold them to it. I'll see what i can find going through some back channel contacts to see if i can't get anywhere. If i read things correctly, Insyde has a main office in the next town over from me. The key here is to get it so that both the IGP and the add in card are detected. Normaly, when you insert an add in card, the IGP gets disabled, and this is usualy bios controlled. So without the system seeing the IGP as a second processor, crossfire will not work period. So we either need to recruit some bios engineers, or if people can find some whitepapers on this we might be able to dig deeper on our own.

 

Ah yes, thanks. I didn't even think about it. I'm not sure what someone could do with it, but don't want to take any risks.

 

Yep, at this point it's all about finding the BIOS developers... I was kinda fantasizing about finding a BIOS from some other manufacturer's Puma-based notebook to see if it would work. (Probably not.)

 

well there are recovery modes for doing a bad bios flash, so if you mess it up, you can allways restore your backup. Anyways as i see it, the key here is enabling surroundview. If we get that, it should all work. My guess is that the hooks are similar to the desktop version, so perhaps a workaround is possible until there is official HP support. IT is such a new platform, that maybe we just have to wait until it comes outa development. HP is one of the first to market with the PUMA boards and so far no other OEM is offering crossfire yet so we jsut need to give it time. I mean it took them over 2 months just to post up the deconstruction manuals.

 

And this actually brings it back to what I said they told me earlier, that it would be available eventually but they couldnt say when.

 

Hopefully 'eventually' doesn't mean when newer dv5z's come out, but rather through some bios update / whatever. :/

 

My DV5Z shows the 780G...we should pester HP into doing something man...maybe an e-mail petition

 

That won't necessarily make it available. Like someone else said earlier, the 3200 can be disabled physically with a fuse.

 

Where are we getting this data on fuses and stuff for these chipsets, i can't find it anywhere...

 

I hope its BIOS and not fude related!

 

I would think so. What do they really have to gain by disabling it through the fuse?

 

Wouldn't a physically disabled 3200 constitute faulty merchandise?
I'm still hoping for a magic "make everything faster" BIOS upgrade though

 

Does anyone know if the xsga+ screen is brighter than its counter part?

 

service manual says it's 300 nits brighter.

 

Is the dv5z's touch media buttons(above the keyboard) lights in blue or white??

In the review they light in blue, but the dv5t are in white.. White is much much better and not cheap-looking..
So, owners?

Tnx!

 

White, with red for "off" and wireless is blue for "on"

 

Does any laptop being sold now have an illuminated keyboard?

 

alienware is the only one, the dell studio xp coming in november will have one, i don't know if my laptop will last that long, or if i'll even like the total package

 

300 nits brighter?!!! that's a lot!

so i'm sure you've seen the ones at the stores, i'm not quite sure if they are bright enough for me, compared to that there's a big difference?

 

I have a WSXGA+ screen and it is really bright. Much brighter than the one seen at bestbuy.
It is also LG Philips screen. I am glad that i spent the $75 on it.

 

My WXGA+ screen with the Infinity finish seems plenty bright.

 

I haven't found any docs for the 780 chipset. I said I found this info in the 690 Register Reference doc, and am assuming a similar feature exists in the 780.

Here's the 690 Register reference
http://developer.amd.com/gpu_assets/43372_rs690_rrg_3.00o.pdf

The databooks are here
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_739_15137,00.html

Strange that they don't provide the Register Reference on the same page, but whatever.

It also occurs to me that fuses are set by AMD to disable areas that failed testing, so perhaps the fused chips are sold as non-G variants, and this isn't anything for us to worry about. (If so, sorry for the false alarm.)

In the 690G register reference, see page 2-1 DEVICE_ID.

For the video capabilities, see page 2-8 (HIDE_XX_AGP...)

Then see page 2-15 INTGFX_EN - note that this is a read-only register that reflects the status of hardware option straps.

Then see page 2-21 INTGFX_ENABLE which mentions an e-fuse that will disable the internal graphics.

Finally see page 2-34 FORCE_INTGFX_DISABLE which can disable the internal graphics regardless of the e-fuse setting.

 

Good stuff, i am going through some of my contacts that i have to see if they can't get me the whitepapaers on the 780G and M780G, but i'll look over this stuff to see what i can find.

 

Any updates on the Hybrid Crossfire front?

 

read one below..sorta posted twice.

 

Okay well i just put in my order for the dv5z!

hopefully itll come soon.
says 5-7 days but i hear some people on this place say they got it sooner.
So hopefully i do to.

got:
vista-32
2.1 cpu
3gb
3450 gfc
160gig
student crap.
and some others for 800
so i think it was worth it.

 

Nothing yet, the specs on the northbridge chip aren't public yet. So unless you know anyone with a developer account on AMD.com, we will have to wait for official support.

 

My wireless status LED is orange (off) and blue (on).

 

This isn't dv5z specific, but I'm blown away by Vista's voice recognition. Maybe I'm just way behind the times, but I find the voice dictation/navigation features absolutely incredible. Not perfect, for sure, but a far cry from what came bundled with my old VAIO in the late 90's (which was as useless as a rat in a tampon factory).

 

It's funny that you mention that because I was just thinking that yesterday. I decided to mess around with the voice command options and it was rather efficient. Most of the time, Vista got it right on a first try with my words. I thought it would be as bad as XP's speech recognition but it's so much better!

 

I've literally been cramming in the dv5z-1000's hate for the last few days.
I ended up backing up the hdd, installing a black Scorpio(7200 rpm) and 2x2gb of ddr2x400mhz. I got the crappy turion because the HP site said they both had the same cache size; expected 1024x2, received 512x2 for cheaping out.

Went through the epicness of slipstreaming ahcix86 into a sp2 cd then finding drivers and attempting to goto sp3 which borked half my drivers(again).

Then the true fun began: ubuntu! First of all, it seems the cd reader in mine doesn't like cds burned at 48x from my desktop. I went through 10 cds trying to figure out what this I/O error on the sata drive was all about. Turns out I was just burning the cds too fast for the reader. 12x and all the errors disappeared.

I bought the laptop just to run *nix on for college. Turns out half of my devices won't work in hardy 8.04. Then I install intrepid alpha 5 and solve those device conflicts and make 5 more. Still no wireless. Tried madwifi source builds and got nowhere fast.

I'm just depressed after the past 3-4 days of slaving away with no sleep. Is the IR remote supposed to work in Vista 64bit with Windows Media Player or is it only for that quick play software? (fast forward button, etc).

That's what I ended up going with, but still have conflicts with the remote; even with the driver from HP. Oh, and vista ate my homework, literally. College homework is all computer based. I completed the math test and went to browse to save the results, vista wasn't happy and the rest was me staying up 3 hours to repeat it all again!

I just want to be in Ubuntu vmwaring some xp.

X2 QL-60 1.9ghz, 2x2gb gskill ddr800, 15.4in wxga, 160gb WD black scorpio 7200rpm, atheros 802.11b/g wireless, glorious IR remote

 

I remember in 2002 or 2003 trying dragon's naturally speaking. I probably dictated to it for 3-6 weeks while reading ebooks. Spoiler: Reading philosophy ebooks to a dictation program is a bad idea.

Me: This is madness
DNS: Thus in itself madness

I've never tried the vista recognition. Maybe that'll give me something to do today... if the 64bit drivers recognized my microphone :/

 

I just bought a dv5z-1004nr and I would like to install an internal ABGN card. Does anyone know where the third antenna cable should be connected to because there are only 2 antenna cables that came with my model (internal BG card)? Thanks.

 

Mine came with the N card and it still only had 2 antennas. I assume that just means it's not a MIMO card and i won't be able to get the super high datarates that are associated with MIMO.

 

I don't even bother to burn boot CDs any more; I just copy the ISOs to bootable partitions of my 16GB USB Flash (Corsair Voyager) and go from there. Ubuntu 8.04 installed fine for me, though it had no wireless support. I fixed that myself http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5727720&postcount=7 but after upgrading to 8.10alpha4 and using my own build of 2.6.27-rc4 that worked fine.

madwifi is deprecated I think, now that official Atheros drivers are available. ath5k ought to work for you.

 

mine still hasnt come yet...


says shipment estimated to the 22nd...thts soooo long..
::sigh::

 

ITS OFFICIAL!

I spoke with the one person at HP who knew what they were talking about.
HYBRID CROSSFIRE is BIOS DISABLED!
They are afraid the NB will run warm and the HD3200 will take up too many resources (RAM)! I told em its none of thier business as we can disable the feature from Catalyst!

I have fwd' my request for a new BIOS to enable it and have promised HP that they will recieve 100s upon 100s of e-mails from every DV5Z owner here till they release a new BIOS to enable it.
The guy told me on aside note that if we can get enought people to contact HP and request the feature they WILL release a NEW BIOS!

He gave the request page:

http://h20229.www2.hp.com/contact/feedback.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

Now, it is our responsibility to contact them everyday, (multiple times over the weekend) on this link to request this BIOS update to enable HYBRID CROSSFIRE!
Please do you bit, since I have already pit in 6 requests on this page already!


P.S. I will post a transcipt of my chat with the guy as soon as I recieve the e-mail from HP. He has also e-mailed the BIOS dept (InsydeH20 ppl) to put in a request on my behalf!

 

We understand that you are enthusiastic about it, but 4 posts in the matter of a few minutes, that's a bit excessive. I have submitted along that, but i went a different route. My contacts came through and I should have access to all of the AMD whitepapers on the northbridge, southbridge, and 3540 graphics chip. With the hardware registers, we might be able to go our own way, all though it's gonna be a tough fight against the bios in the system and it jsut may not work trying to enable it after windows has started. I'll keep posted once i start to review the material as i will need some other software engineers to help figure it all out.

 

request sent! I'll continue sending it every single day.

 

Thank you, now we just need others to do the same!

 

Please don't make redundant posts. Also, that looks like the wrong page. I'd start here:
http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/contact_us.html
and select one of the E-mail HP options depending on whether you own a dv5z/dv7z or not.

Request submitted. HP is probably just skittish after the disaster with NVIDIA chipsets but you don't have to be that gentle with AMD/ATI parts, especially when built with TSMC's efficient 55nm process. I also suggested that they offer higher-end ATI GPUs instead of Hybrid Crossfire.