*HP dv6t & dv7t (70XX / 71XX series) IVY BRIDGE Owners Lounge*

Thanks guys, I'll might as well order 1333mhz just to be safe.

Faster memory couldn't hurt right?

 

Oh by the way, if anybody is interested in 16GB but don't want to get raped by HP for $400.

Newegg has a shellshocker deal going for Corsair 8GB DDR3 1333mhz, $39 per stick. Nice reviews too, searching through the reviews some people actually paid close to $200 per stick not too long ago. OUCH.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233216

Pick up 2 and you're golden at less than $80. Sweet! These should work great in our systems. 1.5V so it should be fully compatible with ivy and sandy.

 

so my tracking just updated to:

Shipment exception
SHANGHAI CN

My lappy missed the boat (plane? lol) so the delivery is now for the 11th.. bummer

 

Pathetic coupon . Hp is already offering 300$ instant saving and a 50$ stackable coupon .
We need > 400$ coupon

 

Same here.

 

My FedEx estimate says Friday the 11th also. Hey, this is way better than having it shipped on the 15th which was the original ETA. I'm not bummed in the least.

 

HDD's still exist because they are dirt cheap. The benchmark shows me that Metro 2033 will be unplayable by a similar card with only 1.5 gb of ram. So if you go with the 1gb option you will be forefitting some popular games.

 

You are saying that a 50 dollar upgrade isn't worth future proofing your 1000+ dollar machine when not doing so will make you unable to play some of todays most popular games.

 

I know right? We're spending $1000+ on this machine, what's another $50 for twice the amount of GDDR5 video memory? GDDR5 is expensive, I think it's a good deal. I doubt HP will give us that option if it really is useless.

This is not a desktop we're configuring here, It's not like you can add in more video memory or upgrade the video card later if it actually does prove itself worthy.

RAM and hard drives are easily changed out, so you can skimp on those if you are indecisive right now, you can always upgrade later easily.

The 1080P screen, CPU, Video memory and video card usually stays with the laptop from the day it was made to the day you throw it out. Don't regret it later, spend the extra $50. It's a good investment, even if it's not used, you'll always have bragging rights. My Laptop has 2GB of GDDR5 memory..yeeaaah son!

Probably better for resale value also if you decide to sell later on.

 

Anybody going to post a video review once they get their laptop?

Id like to see how good quality the 1920x1080 anti glare screen is. If its THAT good im probably going to have to make HP do an exchange lol

 

$50 for e-peen? Or for a chance to confuse some poor peon down the road? Way to get your money's worth for a piece of equipment.

 

It's not for e-peen. The graph he showed shows battlefield having 15 fps on high. I don't know about any of you but 15fps is unplayable. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra 50 bucks. Theres no reason to have a laptop that costs almost as much as an alienware having a gimped gpu because you listened to some idiot telling you 1gb of ddr5 is enough.

 

Same........
I got all excited when I saw that I would get mine on the 10th, but mine missed the plane, so now it's the 11th....

The 11th is Friday btw

 

Ok, since people seem to be back on the 2gb vs 1gb vram debate, AnandTech - Bench - GPU11 and AnandTech - Bench - GPU11 Two pairs of desktop cards, only differences are vram. Yes there is a slight improvement with more but I'm not seeing any with a big enough difference to make something unplayable. Personally, I stuck with the 1gb card and put the $ toward an ssd that I'll drop in myself. Really when it comes down to it, if I wanted better fps, I wouldn't be looking at a laptop with only the 650m.

 

So, reiterate a question that has been asked before: While it can be assumed that these laptops use Optimus, it hasn't been confirmed, correct?

 

The difference between 15fps and 25fps is life or death in games. The word playable gets skewed quite a bit online and given the fact that most newer games would be in the unplayable fps range with this card at 1gb of DDR5. I forsee alot of buyers remorse from people who decided to get cheap on graphics after spending 1200$ on these laptops.

 

It hasn't been confirmed but I doubt Nvidia would let a laptop be manufactured that didn't use it. You can always call Nvidia and ask them if it's keeping you up at night.

 

If not value, it'll make it easier to sell it by broadaning the buyer spectrum to not only gamers but people who use the extra gb for other programs.

And I just had a thought, how cool is it that our laptops are all from the same place, but going all over the US. They are meeting each other when most of us probably won't. /needs to stop being amaized by random things.

 

To me, both of those numbers are unplayable. If I really planned on playing intensive games I honestly wouldn't be looking at this laptop since the 650m is really a mid-range card.

I'm not saying the extra vram isn't worth it, I'm just saying for me, it didn't make enough of a difference to justify upgrading it vs going to a different laptop/gfx card entirely.

 

Mid-range is the word to remember. My current dv7 has a A6-3400m and I can play any game with about 50fps on low or medium. Skyrim plays well on medium but is unplayable on high. This 650m should eat skyrim alive but with 1gb of ddr5 I assume i'd be in the same boat as I am now with my 6520g with 4gb of shared memory.

 

The GT 650m is comparable to a desktop GTS 450 ,show me 1 benchmark where the 450 actually benefits from 2 GB vRam.The GT 650m will not be hindered by only 1 GB vRam, Period. And btw "ForeverZen" stop attacking people and calling them "Idiots" because you don't agree with them. If someone respect you should respect them back .


Enough is said

 

Your argument was destroyed, you showed graphs of old cards offering unplayable fps in almost every game with 1.5gb of ddr5. Theres no need to nerdrage on me because you don't know how to make a point. You made your own point with the graphs you showed.

 

BF3 is unplayable in the graph with a 1gb card. Stop making yourself look stupid with these graphs lol. You're making my point for me!

 

No comment

 

How do you figure that? Look at the graphs again. Look at the resolution. Do you consider avg 25+ FPS, "unplayable?"

Even so, scale back the res and you'll see the FPS go up dramatically.

 

I don't think anybody has benchmarks of the 1GB vs. 2GB in the GT650m DV6 configurations. It's all speculations on performance. So we have no idea for certain that the extra video memory won't make a difference.

Since it's a part that cannot be changed out later down the line, and if it proves itself a worthy upgrade.. $50 will insure you won't regret your purchase.

I know I won't be kicking myself for paying the extra $50 if the 2GB card turns out with similar performance....but I WILL be kicking myself for NOT PAYING the $50 if the extra 2GB gives a nice performance increase. Not only in gaming but in video/photo editing ect.

 

The 560 is said to be most comparable to the 650. It shows unplayable fps. The end.

 

Bro. If you're going to buy a laptop with a graphics card that you have to scale down everything to get fluid fps on medium what is the point? Also I like how this guy has a 1gb card in his dv6, like I said people who made stupid graphics cards decision in the past and are now stuck with them want other people to do the same. This is notebook review not 'throw up 10 erroneous graphs in an attempt to tl;dr review."

 

Uhhh...the 2GB 6950 shows almost exactly the same performance as the 1GB 6950 so...what's your point? Not to mention this is at 2560x1600 resolution too.

 

For the love of god. That's a desktop card e.g. the graph is erroneous.

 

That HD 6950 1gb/2gb is a desktop GPU. It has more than double the performance of a GTX 560M, let alone a GT 650M.
That benchmark shows that there is no difference between 1gb and 2gb HD 6950 on BF3 @2560x1600 and high settings. It perfectly proves the other guy's point.

Extra vRAM is only necessary for high resolution (eg 2560x1600) settings and very high resolution textures. The only gamers who benefit from 1+gb VRAM are those who have GPU's powerful enough to handle high resolutions/textures in games, and the GT 650M is no where close to that needed performance.

If you attempt to run a game with settings that actually uses over 1gb of VRAM on the GT 650M, it would run at <10fps regardless of VRAM size. You can buy the 2gb if you want, but your laptop will never use more than 1gb.

 

But so is the 560ti =/ and you said the 560 is most comparable to the gt650m but the 560ti is much more powerful and is often compared to the gtx580m. The gt650m is similar to the 560m which performs like a desktop gts 450. So either way the gt650m won't be able to play at these settings anyway maybe not even at 1080p so I can't really see how the extra 1GB (actually about 650MB effectively) would make too much of an impact. I guess we'll find out when people actually get these laptops. I'm still holding out on purchasing one of these for now.

 

The dv6 isn't offered with anything higher than 1080p. A lot of people like to hook their computers up to higher resolution screens. If you're getting 40 playable fps on bf3 with this card at 1gb you will be unable to play on any resolution higher than 1080p. Why don't you people see this as being worth 50$? I for one got the 2gb card as I will be hooking my shiny new dv6 up to my big screen, enjoy gaming on your native display forever.

 

It seems like the only thing being discussed here is gaming, but as far as I understand there are other programs that can make use of the extra vram, like video editing applications and the like, correct?

 

Dear HP,

please release models with the GT 650m GDDR5 instead of all GT 630m, slower than the previous model graphics 7690m XT

signed,

Europe and the Middle East

 

Yeah it seems like all the talk is about gaming and FPS. If I was a hardcore gamer, I'd choose something with a much more powerful GPU.

I do a lot of video and photo editing. Another poster somewhere in this thread said that the 2GB video card made a substantial difference in video editing vs. the 1GB setup.

I'm a mild gamer, if the 2GB of GDDR5 gives me another 1-2 fps.. NICE. If not, it's okay..it's only 50 bucks.

If the 2GB of GDDR5 gives me a nice performance boost in my video editing apps I'd say that's 50 bucks WELL SPENT!

 

Yes when video editing it makes a huge difference.

And it would end up being more like 10-15 fps, but available vram also affects the temperature of the gpu. Since this is a laptop it could make the difference between burnt and unburnt knees. haha

 

Is it just me, or do neither of those links show a 1GB vs 2GB comparison? I see a 1GB vs 768MB and 1GB vs Unspecified.

 

You're right, but looking at most of the graphs they don't apply to the performance of mid range notebook gpus with 1 or 2 gb of DDR5. I would say they are irrelevant.

 

The first is 2gb vs 1gb, 2gb was the standard config for the 6950, they later released a 1gb model to save people a few $$. The second link was the only other thorough benchmark I could find on Anandtech of identical gpus with different vram amounts.

Point being, there is a difference, but minimal. Some of us think that small increase isn't worth $50, some do. These are examples from different parts, if you are concerned about the performance of the 650m 1gb vs 2gb, wait for a proper benchmark review to come out.

 

The theoretical performance of 1vs2gb isn't in question. It's a fact that 2gb will perform far better at a variety of gpu intensive tasks.

 

You're really talking about a $100 increase over the standard video. the first $50 was the jump from the GT630M to GT650M, which is also the jump from GDDR3 to GDDR5 memory. Which ever you choose is what you're stuck with, so be careful on your selection.

 

Guys this argument is dumb, -$50 or +$50 isn't really a big deal... And whether it does help or not, the next level gpu will always be better.

 

I'm very interested in ordering this new dv6 and i'm stuck on choosing between the i7 CPUs and the 1g vs 2g GPU. i'm an EE major student.

i guess the best comparison can be made when ppl start receiving their laptops. then we could ask 2 users with all the exact same spec except the GPU memory to run on the same game (Battlefield 3?) on native screen with same video setting and find out their fps to see if there's a real difference between 2g and 1g

 

Yup very true. It's only $50, common now, its not like it's $150 or $200 upgrade dedision. Whatever card you choose, you're stuck with it. Might as well insure you won't regret it.

$50 is dinner for two, you don't want to spend the next 2-3 years in depression staring at your HP, making you want to fling it out the window. After spending $1000+ only to skimp out on possibly the best upgrade you can do. For $50 dollars.

 

So basically

Group 1) Extra GB is a waste of money. It will have very little performance effect for 50$

Group 2) Extra GB is WORTH the small 50$. Games are getting more and more demanding and the extra vram might help in the future and you shouldnt kick yourself in the head because you didnt put down 50$.

Basically sounds like people are trying to defend their purchases.

All in all, there isn't really a cut and dry choice. It's all up to the end user and what their intentions are.

Also, as of right now, the DV7T only has 2 options. The 630m and also the 650m with 2GB so you dont really get a choice... ^.-

 

If group one keeps saying that 2GB is a waste and has no use at all in the DV6 or DV7 coupled with the GT650m GPU....

Why even make a 2GB version then? Why do they even give us a choice if the 1GB is all that we will ever need?

 

That's an excellent point. Once you buy a certain configuration you're stuck with it. Honestly if you don't need a laptop with a video card capable of playing modern games in higher settings then you should buy a different laptop because 1200ish dollars is alot to spend if all you want is Ivy Bridge. Give it a month or two and retail stores will be flooded with Ivy Bridge ultrabooks.

 

Some people feel that the 2gb version is a marketing ploy just to get people to spend more money on things they dont need. Most people try to get the most *bang* for their buck.

For example instead of upgrading the vram, someone could upgrade to the backlit keyboard and the bluetooth wireless chip.

 

You wouldn't be able to run a cad presentation from a 1gb card.