*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

sure, i can use switchable or fixed by simply toggling it in CCC.

but i'm complaining because fixed mode mostly worked in 12.3, but cpu overclocking with turbo would cause blue screen on reboot.

12.1 worked fine as far as dynamic clock speed.

12.4 onward is just broken.

 

Yeah... that may be the case, but you cannot complain about a hack that enables enthusiast features, we were lucky that our overclocks remained no problem through musho's modifications, but you're complaining about something that only gives you OpenGL acceleration on dGPU (because the other benefits are also included on switchable graphics)

The applications and games that use OpenGL are quite limited right now, you cannot expect, with all the trouble they have, to please a minority, while I also would appreciate it, they simply didn't say that it was going to be supported.

AMD gave you a product, you can get even more juice out if it and yet you still complain, if you prefer to do so then yeah, move to Nvidia, a lot of AMD users are really happy to have such wonderful machine and features, all in one for a fraction of the price compared to a Nvidia/Intel combo.

 

You're right in some ways.

But I think my complaint is justified because people with core i7 + 6770m running the last few catalysts have sticky idle clocks when they use graphics switching, and their stuff isn't hacked.

those guys deserve to have working drivers.
and I'm sure if AMD ever managed to fix the sticky clock for the i7 guys, it would fix the sticky clock for our px fixedmode hack. 2 birds 1 stone.

The thing that pisses me off is, according to anandtech, when amd launched the llano, it said it would eventually support opengl on the dgpu. Empty words....


I just found out that AMD does not officially support switchable graphics. So, while paying customers are lining their pockets by buying intel+amd laptops, AMD doesn't care if their drivers are not compatible. Too bad, so sad, is their view.
If they didn't want to support switchable graphics, OEM's should have just boycotted AMD altogether on their intel systems.

Even worse, some functions may have worked 90% in older drivers, only to be fully broken in later drivers. Too bad, so sad again.

That's not how you treat your customers.



anyway, I just found out, by chance, how to fix the sticky clock in fixed mode. But it requires downgrading to catalyst 12.2.
I have yet to try 12.3.
But basically, you install the graphics driver from 12.2, then the vision control center from 12.4.
Then switch to fixed mode, and reboot computer. When computer boots up, you will have fully working fixed mode without stuck clocks.

 

Hi all:

I posted this in the accessories section, but might potentially get a faster response here (asked a few months back, but didn't see a response -- thus it might be buried):

What sort of cooling pads have you all had luck with using this machine?

I'm also sorry to hear about the driver problem. Still using one of the earlier ones; since that's working fine for now, I'm blissfully staying with what I have.

Definitely going back to NVidia next time, though. .

 

Has anyone tried Eyefinity using the dv6-6100 series? The laptop itself doesn't have the Displayport, and the VGA and HDMI ports are too close together to be used at the same time. After long searches in Google, it seems that no one sells screwless VGA cables, but a few searches turned out that some people just cut it off as to give space for the HDMI.

As I understand from the AMD website, you'd need a Displayport if you want 3 or more external monitors, however you can use both VGA and HDMI for 2. I read in some other forum that they've tried plugging both VGA and HDMI, but he could only choose 2 of the 3 displays (the other being the laptop display). So it's either his laptop display and 1 external, or 2 external and no laptop display.

I'm not sure what model HP he had or which GPU, but I was wondering if I tried the same setup with the 6750m, would it support all 3 displays?

 

Well, there is a thread right next to this one called " For those seeking the best notebook cooler for their DV6/DV7s." You didn't even need to use the search function, just had to use your eyes. Lots of fan models, very comprehensive.

 

Very much appreciated.

And, odd as it may sound, I didn't even look in the main forum: I've had this page bookmarked for awhile, so I'd always come straight here to check back every now and then. The new thread looks like it was started a few weeks ago: I'd asked..a few months ago (not complaining or calling anyone out; just noting how I'd have missed it).

 

Mine had been brick for a few weeks, HP charge a fortune to fix it, thinking if I should just get a AMD board or Intel board +i7~~

Board are same price from china .

 

mambastik: The Llano platform supports up to three digital monitors or one analog plus one digital, so you cannot get three screens on a dv6 at this time. Trinity seems to support up to four total digital monitors, three of them external and via daisy chain. Something like that? Any laptop that ships with Trinity but lacks a Displayport will be a sad affair, and I expect this to be the common case.

In other news some magic trick has dropped my GPU utilization when CPU is loading. Probably caused by a recent game installation or similar ilk. Will bump drivers to 12.1a for the giggles and report back.

 

Hello all! I just purchased a refurb dv6-6135x from tigerdirect, and so far love it.

It didn't arrive in the best shape, but the only actual problem I have had was that it was crashing anytime I ran Google Chrome. It took a few days of updating drivers, updating the bios, restoring to factory default settings, etc, before I was able to find the issue.

Chrome was set to run in "high performance graphics". When I switched it to power saving mode, the crashing stopped. I've been playing Diablo 3 and the graphics were not what I was expecting, so I tested what D3 was set up as, and sure enough it was set to power saving mode. With a change to high performance, it to caused my system to crash within 20 seconds of opening it. Testing other apps, anything set to high performance graphics seems to crash the computer (complete power down) within 10-20 seconds. I'm waiting to hear back from HP, supposed to get a call today, but I stumbled across this forum and with all the experts here, I figured I'd check to see if you guys had any thoughts/input.

Essentially, anytime I run anything in high performance mode, within a few seconds of starting the app, the fan gets loud and starts spinning much faster. Within 10 seconds, it's even louder, shoots hot air out the side, and within another 10 seconds, the entire laptop has lost power. To me, it sounds like the 6750 graphics card is overheating, but that's a very elementary guess. I know HP is going to have me ship the laptop back to them, but I figured if there was a known software/driver problem, this would be the place to find out about it. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Johnny

 

Ooh yeah, sounds like a voltage leak or a runaway clock speed. The dGPU receives power and spins up, going faster and drawing more energy. The sudden shutdown might be the thermal failsafe....I wonder how many watts are being shorted through the GPU power circuit, sounds like something that happened to a batch of Dell servers years ago. (blown capacitor, graphics shorted, crash; restarting shoved 30W into the CMOS and took out the rest of the board...and why did rackserver boards have integrated graphics in the first place...?) This should totally be covered by the 90-day refurb warranty.

On my end, seems the driver bump cleared my low uilization issues. Double burn now holds the dGPU around 95% even with Prime95 LargeFFT in the background. I ran all the way up to 90.3/88.6C, stabilized at 87 CPU and 85 GPU. Battery tests showed my max discharge is about 85W, I could easily get it over 90 by loading HDD/network/bluray. There's a 10W gap on the dGPU depending VISION power settings. Prime95 alone held me above 50W discharge when overclocked, idle is still about 10W or about 8 when calmed down and with everything off. The stock 1366x768 panel's backlight has a 3-4W range of expression, damn powerful illumination.

 

That must be a hardware problem i would recommend sending it over to HP as they have great support if your still in warranty. I have the same laptop and haven't had a problem yet it really is a great laptop and can run D3 maxed

 

Is anyone else wondering why it is taking so long for these Trinity builds to come out? Still no word on the next gen DV6Z!

Ivy bridge releases and laptops are selling with it the next day....
Trinity (mobile) releases and all we get are a bunch of reviews for almost 2 weeks. Was may 23 the actual mobile launch date??!!!?

 

As always AMD facing with yield issue, so cannot provide enough chips to fill up BestBuy's selfs. So far the only two available Trinity laptop is the HP Probook 6475b and 4545s.

 

"HD Anti-Glare ( 1366 x 768 )" *narf!*

The laptops are slightly intriguing but listed prices are kinda nuts.

 

Just a guess but sounds to me like someone botched the dgpu heatsink pasting job.
I think you are correct. Sounds exactly like an overheating chip. There are a number of utilities you will let you monitor the dgpu temps while its running.

seer

 

Regarding 12.6 beta drivers. installed 12 hours ago, zero errors so far. seem snappy.

seer

 

Try disabling ULPS and running a benchmark. It made my performance across the board drop about 90% on both 12.5 and 12.6.

 

Not at the machine today, but played skyrim for about 4 hours last night with identical setup I've been running. "Seat of the pants" impression was, as I posted, 'snappy'- i.e., if anything, fps seemed up a couple. Temps were if anything, maybe 1 or 2 down. Just downloaded it for my E-450 Lenovo and see here in the changes notes, that the driver includes new dual graphics profiles for BF3, and SKyrim among others. When I get home tonight I'll run another 3dmark11 test at my stock overclock settings and compare to what its been running, but i'm pretty sure I'll report same if not a slightly higher score based on last nights run thru skyrim. In all honesty, sky was running so well at almost all "ultra" settings (tho at my native 1368x768 rez) that the question of whether I really needed to spend another 1500ish on another laptop popped into my head

Just as a minder, i run my B0 at 3000, P0 at 2600, P1 at 2200 etc. down to the last one at 750mhz, with the cores unganged and fusion tweakers "fast up" or whatever he calls it, set. My graphics clocks are pretty conservative compared to what a lot of you guys run (chit mem i think). I run 688 on the core and 828 on the mem..

In any event, it seems to run as well if not a bit better, than 12.5 on the dv6z.

seer

 

Sent my 6135dx last week, got it in today. Naturally they didn't fix . I'm calling their Executive line tomorrow and going to make them just ship me a mobo, which I can install myself considering how many ProBooks I've ripped apart at work lately.

 

I have been daydreaming the exact same question. So tempted to blow money on a sager 9150 w/ 7970 but realizing I probably would be lucky to get 400-450 bucks for my DV6Z..... that really smacks me back into reality (In Canada a 9150 w/ 7970 after taxes would run about $1830).... just hoping the new DV6Z w/ 7750 will be pretty cheap... (I can handle 800 bucks)

I get the feeling the DV6Z-7000 will be out pretty soon seeing as how HP is (as of today) selling:

1) A10-4600s in their probooks
2) 7750m and 7850m GPUs in their Envy line up for order today.

They have all the pieces, now we just wait to see how long it takes them to solve the puzzle.

 

I thought Trinity couldn't crossfire with GCN? If that's the case I think HP will probably stick it with the 7690.

 

Was just going to say that. It will most likely be a 7690M.

 

So the 77XX, 78XX and 79XX series with GCN cant crossfire with Trinity? Is this because the GPU in Trinity is not GCN? That is super disappointing. There is pretty much no reason for the DV6Z to exist then..

I fail to understand why AMD would decide to launch their Trinity processors without the ability to hybrid crossfire with the GPU generation that is being released at the exact same time....

Can you guys provide some sources... just for clarity. thanks.

 

What was the problem? and did you send it into HP?

 

This looks interesting:

MSI Gaming-Notebook GX60 mit AMD A10-4600M sowie Serien CR und CX - Notebookcheck.com News

 

Now I want one with APU A10 and 7970m....

 

Well, after waiting until the smoke clears, benchmarks published, and prices drop, there might just be a dm1z as a portable HTPC in my future soon...

 

I hope MSI releases a barebones version. A 7970m for around $900-100 would be a great (if CPU bottlenecked) bargain. Trinity better be overclockable, and overclock well. Maybe we can swap in a Llano CPU and use that instead.

 

WANT! Even if it doesn't crossfire, a 7970 setup for under 1300 would be freaking amazing. I think the A10 would be more than enough power to rip through modern games. Plus it has RAID-0.... lol 2 SSDs anyone

 

Artifacting over HDMI, and it'll also hard lock if I unplug while any sort of OC or UV is happening. They told me I need to send it back in. I'm honestly considering selling it when I get back and building a desktop.

 

Ouch.

Well that MSI looks interesting but a live system in the wild would be even better. Here's hoping.

 

This msi is the one I saw that I remarked in this forum "was so friggin fast" as be almost beyond belief.
Now I see why they wouldn't tell me what the dedicated was...

As for whether the trin had enough juice to feed the dedicated, the answer is yes, tho I don't know what clocks they were running it at.

What it was, was very very very fast. They had it running dirt3, and the deux games if I remember correctly. Also, it wasn't bad looking. Had a rather nice screen They were telling me that it was (well, translated to the us vernacular-) one hell of a bang for buck gamer box. Gawd I'm glad someone is actually bringing some of the trinity 'big iron' to the table.

seer

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27459-msis-gx60-notebook-pairs-up-trinity-with-hd-7970m

some more interesting specs

you can see it running here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGzRe2OnAsU

turns out amd also showed em at a restaurant in LA for e3 and...
looking at the specs, these are looking more interesting all the time. it has two 64 SSD's set up in raid for the op system, AND a seperate conventional HD Now THAT should be fast. Also has some other goodies, and wonder of wonder, even has a d-sub vid out (in addition to the hdmi etc.) for those who still watch their 25" high rez crt units
ok, i'm guilty. anywho....looks like I may not have to jump to the intel lusitania just yet.. Tho the 7970 won't dual graphics, the enduro switchable graphics should give some damned nice batt hours for a gaming lappie, when you're not doing hard core gaming on the dedicated. Price being talked about is "around 1100 to 1200 US).

 

The A10 should be running at the regular clock speeds, no? Unless MSI factory OCs them or got some special chips from AMD?

Also, did you find any word on whtehr Trinity can be OC'd?

Notebookcheck review. Scroll down a bit and it says "Unfortunately, the new GCN-based 7700M, 7800M and 7900M models cannot be used in Crossfire with the IGP." I'm sure if you google there's other sources that confirm this.

 

Thanks R3, +rep

With a system like that MSI with a card as powerful as the 7970m , I do not even care about crossfire anymore. It was more of a concern when trying to beef up mid-end 7700 cards.

If it really comes to be priced around 1100-1200, I will probably end up picking one of them up! I really wonder how they managed to squeeze 3 hard drive slots + optical in a single 15.6" system.

 

3 hard drive slots? I thought it only had 2. Wow, that's overkill imo.

 

No, The notebook has just two slots, the two SanDisk U100 SSD uses 1 slot, and the HDD use the other slot. Anyway, It's great. 128GB for OS and main software, and why not an 1TB HDD as mass storage

 

doesn't matter. crossfire sucks anyway.

 

True. I just installed 12.6 so I'm going to see how it does with cf.

 

Hey boys. Haven't stopped in here in a while. That MSI GX60 does look pretty nice. Hoping Sager decides to offer a Trinity setup like that. I'm jut not a fan of MSI, but an NP9170 with lowest end i7 quad and 7970m is about $1500, so shaving off $200-300 would be a nice improvement.

I'm not real crazy about any kind of RAID 0 nor traditional spinner drives, but I guess you can't complain when you can get that config at such a cheap price

 

Aww dang the article I first read just said "2 SSDs + 500Gb "... MISLEADING! Other sources confirm the U100 drives. Looking up more information I found this : MSI Super RAID Makes GT70 Gaming Notebook Work at 928 MB/s ~ The World is Mine

It gives a very good size comparison and idea of what we are dealing with when it comes to RAID and drive swapping. It looks like we will HAVE to keep this little chip in if we want RAID, and it is only compatible with the small half-size mSATA SSDs.

Id like to know if its possible to remove the entire raid setup and install a single larger SSD... going to do more research now.

super UPDATE: So this link from MSI europe will shed a little more light : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.378863325486618.115307.111253142247639&type=3


This is a disassembly video from MSI : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVzseg1RRc

As you can see, the Super Raid chip is merely an adapter that goes on top of the motherboard, and it appears that we can order a regular SATA adapter for use with a regular 2.5mm HDD!!!!!!

The mSATA SSDs should be easily swapped, however they looks to be quite expensive for the size. The most enticing thing I saw was a few 120GB SSDs for $150, so if we wanted to upgrade the SSD space, it could cost about $300 (OUCH)

EDIT : HOLY CRAP the new steelseries keyboard on the GT60/70 moves the windows button to the right side of the keyboard!!!!!! I have hit this stupid thing SOOO MANY TIMES by accident.

 

I'm pretty sure we can remove the RAID circuit to place a 2,5 SSD, but... I don't think we can place two 2,5 SSDs in RAID0. Anyway I found in Newegg some Musking SandForce SATAIII mSATA SSD ($145 for 120GB and $360 for 240GB), a little bit expensive, so, as you said we need $300 to twice the SSD capacity...

Also I like the SteelSeries Keyboard on this MSI. But Now I'm very interested in know DV6z Trinity Tech Specifications...

 

Those fat Sandisk modules on the flip side are huge, each nearly as large as an entire mSATA module? Burst speeds up to 2GB/s, some voodoo happening in the adapter for sure. But the whole kit isn't much larger than a wifi card or MXM. It's not a full HDD bay at all. Super RAID is buffered mSATA on a direct PCI Express riser channel. That laptop isn't much different from a dv6 in thickness, doesn't look like it weighs a lot either. But it is positively PACKED with hardware in every possible space.

Still wondering about the A10/7970 pairing though, I mean just maintaining the driver load is a major endeavor. Would be amazing if they could use the 7660G to effect partial control over the 7970 but I doubt it....so what the hell crazy stunts have they gotten into this time?

 

Don't quote me on this just yet, but one reviewer is claiming that MSI has figured out how to get xfire to run in the GX60 with the 7970, despite the two different architectures. this would be very interesting. To do it, they would have to have distilled the process down to merely interleaving the frames, and insulating the process from the mechanics of how each frame was generated.

Frankly, tho, I remain skeptical that the report is accurate.
CTX2012: Notebook MSI GX60 gamer with Trinity and HD 7970M | Tech News Pedia

I am intrigued tho by the rest of the specs. If you look at the pictures, it really is a pretty nice looking lappie, and the exhaust vents on the upper left side and back left corner are massive. It also *appears* to have a steel series back lit keyboard, and a bandwidth munching 720p 30fps camera !

It will be very interesting to see just how fast the msata raid plus conventional HD system actually is when we get some benches on it

As we can all see tho, MSI has created a lot of buzz with the GX60..if priced agressively, they may have hit the sweet spot of the bang for buck gamer

seer

You know, looking at the MSI europe disassembly photos, I'm glad to see two totally distinct heat pipe setups , one for the dgpu and one for the apu. Tho they appear to use a single fan, it looks like they've got enough cooling capacity for some overclocking
I can just imagine wing's new cooling mods LOL.

 

It has a steelseries keyboard, but it's not backlit (scroll to the bottom of the GX60 section. The chassis looks like it's essentially the same as the GT60.

 

He he seeratlas. I would like to get my hands on that bad boy.

Although if they can truly xfire those devices, then hopefully that ports well to Llano setups.

Also, I haven't been keeping up, but will Trinity APU's be compatible with current Llano laptops. I don't recall that ever being confirmed. Any chance of our lovely DV6z machines able to update? Of course likely requires a BIOS update which HP likely will not support since they don't advocate self upgrades and would rather you buy a new laptop anyhow. Those new DV6's do look stylish though. But I'm happy with mine for now!

 

Ideally the 7660G could be doing some pre- or post- processing on behalf of its faster cousin, that would be the best use of such a mismatched chip.

 

Yeah, otherwise you'd have the 7660g rendering the bottom 5% of the screen with the 7970m doing everything else, lol. Or the 7660g displaying one frame out of every 50 of the 7970.

 

Yeah with such a massive performance difference between the 7660 and 7970, it would be cool if they could find a way to transfer some of the load to the 7660 (kinda like nvidia does with physx)

Does anyone else find it weird that that in almost every picture you see the big "PC Gamer Editors Choice (5 star) " , yet PC gamer has not even said a single word about this laptop? I was really hoping they could provide some reliable information about this system.

Online articles have so many inconsistencies. Hopefully MSI will actually give us some information soon.

 

That is true, now the discussion is related to keyboard and to speakers...

I think is possible MSI release the GX60 with backlit keyboard; anyway the switch button appear on quick launch bar!