*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

The 1080p screen is definitely worth it imo, icons aren't small at all, coming from a 1280x800 13" screen.

 

Call and order it with a rep, maybe they can still configure it for it. Even if you have to wait..

 

Well, I think this is a matter of personal choice. I have several lappies with both and frankly, for these old eyes, the 1368x768 works better for me in a 15.
Sure you can up the txt size on the 1080 screen but all too often, websites get out of kilter with overlapping txt that is a pita to read, and at the normal txt size, 1080 just strains the hell out of my eyes over time.

also, games look best at native screen res, and 1080 requires quite a bit more oomph to play at similar speeds and detail level, soo, all things considered, I went 768. your mileage may differ

if i want to really game, i hook up to a 65' flat screen anyway. Rift is nutz at that size
Oh, and last thought, 150 bux for the upgrade on a 650.00 machine seems a bit much...

seer
oh, and i'm writing this on my 1368x768 12" msi lappy which doesn't bother me at all. while my 1900x1200 17" gives me headaches...

 

In case anyone is curious about how low you might be able to push the voltages here is a screenshot of the voltages my previous N930, basically the same architecture, was able to go.

Imageshack - 782010undervolt.png

That undervolting increased my battery life by up to 30 minutes and lowered temps by 5C. Llano should have pretty much the same undervolting potential.

 

Get the 1920 x 1080 screen! personal choice blah blah - get it!

By the way for some games it's a bad idea to hook up your laptop to a 65" HDTV because you will have MAAAAAAASIVE input lag. I would never play an FPS game on an HDTV.

 

Why would you have input lag? It's no different than hooking your laptop up to a monitor, and instantaneous response just like your laptop screen. I personally prefer larger resolution, 1080p in particular because for Windows Desktop, bigger is better IMHO. I like to be able to manage viewing multiple windows simultaneously. And also for Blu-Ray movies. Sure they'll play fine on a lower resolution but 1080p is crisp and awesome.

 

I don't know the technicals, but it is different. HDTV's are known to have input lag. There was a site that tested monitors for input lag, on average there was 30 ms more input lag compared to a CRT monitor - and for FPS gaming I think that is unacceptable. I'll try to find it - but googling "HDTV input lag" gives quite a few articles on it.

Consoles get away with it because the controller is the limiting device, there isn't a mouse.

 

Here are my quick undervolting and overclocking results

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1293/26ghz115v.png

All p-states are stable through 5 runs of IntelBurn Test. I tried to run at 2.6GHz at 1.05V but it crashed quickly. Then I just raised it to 1.15V and it worked fine. Ran Cinebench R10 at same settings and here are the results

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/410/cinebench26ghz.png

That is pretty much on-par with the highest SB i5's in multi-threaded. Still only around 70% as fast as the i5-2410m in single threaded but temps are much better. Temps on Cinebench were 66C max.

 

Hey guys, first post here. I had to join after reading all 96 pages of this thread. I bought a dv6z from best buy a few weeks ago with the A8 3500 and the 6750m graphics card. I have to say for all the nay sayers that while the 3500 isnt the best cpu, it is more then enough for the average day to day guy.

Now the main reason I joined was to ask about overclocking. Ive seen you guys mention overclocking the 3530mx, but didnt read anything about the 3500m. Is overclocking the 3500m a possibility? If so how do I go about doing so? Now Im not the most tech savy guy out there, but im not a nitwit either.

And say i was to overclock the 3500m from its stock 1.5ghz to say 2ghz, would that cause heat issues? How far could I safely go? I dont want to cause any problems down the road. Thanks guys!

 

Considering that AMD set the default voltages incredibly high, going from 1.5GHz to 2GHz probably wouldn't even change the temperature all that much with some undervolting as well. Here is a guide on how to undervolt, I would recommend doing it first

Aspire Gemstone: K10STAT AMD Griffin Processor UnderVolting Guide

Once you have undervolted you can get to overclocking. Just change the multipliers (FID and DID) in K10Stat to achieve desired clock speeds. Remember that raising the clock speeds might require for you to re-raise the voltages you just undervolted but you still won't get back to the heights of the default voltages without an extreme overclock. My A8-3530mx was at 1.3V for 2.6GHz default and I am running at 1.15V for the same speed.

 

Abaddon I know you said you were doing some battery testing yesterday. I didn't see results. Can you post them, and if you did already, sorry, I didn't see it!

 

He said 4 hours 30 mins, iirc.

edit: Here's the post.

 

Ah thanks, I read the first part of that post but skimmed over the rest so missed it. So with 9-cell it should easily exceed 6 hours then! That's what I ordered.

 

+rep

I'm guessing that 1.1v was unstable as well?

 

Thank you! I was hoping for a response from you! Now I dont want to sound like a moron, but is doing that a difficult/extensive process? Also where do I get the program to do it, and is it free? Like I said before im not incredibly tech savy, but im not living in 1985 either.

 

The basics are in the guide he linked. I haven't personally done it, but it looks like it's as easy as changing some numbers and testing the CPU to see if it's stable.

 

I honestly didn't try. Gonna do it right now, though.

Edit: 2.6GHz at 1.1V isn't stable but 1.1250 is. Lowered temps about 4C, too.

 

Took me about 1.5 hours to undervolt, test for stability with IntelBurn, overclock and test for stability with IntelBurn. K10Stat makes undervolting and overclocking pretty easy. Just change the FID and DID and it will tell you the clock speed.

Edit: 3dMark06 with CPU overclock

http://3dmark.com/3dm06/15906736;js...6/15906736?key=thtYnDVSmhhKKAdZ0M9F4us4KXY2BD

Gonna run 3dMark11/Vantage, Metro and BC2 later. Then I am gonna try overclocking the GPU.

 

Abadd, you're the man.
+rep

Seer

 

This one is a mitsu DLP type, not lCD or plasma. No ghosting, no delay, no nothing. Same innards as what you're seeing in a digital movie theatre. Work's sweet and with the surround sound, its waaaay too easy to get lost in the game. LOL, was in a guild war last night and by the time it was over my pulse was about maxxed, I was exhausted, sweating bullets and my mouse hand was about wore out..hehehe. Waaaaay too much fun. You guys don't appreciate what you have LOL. When I was a kid my biggest toy was a tire tied to a tree. rflmao.

Had to get the big screen cause I kept getting fragged by my son who's a soon to be major (Airborne/Ranger type) in Spec Ops command. PIssed me off cause he kept sniping my azz and I couldn't find him, and in MY day, I WAS A SNIPER myself!!! soooo...
I still only win about 20 percent of the time tho, he's damned fast

Seer

 

Cinebench gets 1.98 pts@1600Mhz and 2.59 pts@2200Mhz here:

1600Mhz

2200Mhz

A mild overclock, but pretty decent gains at stock voltage

 

Word to the wise, I tried OCing discreet to 725Mhz and got instant lockups... I had to uninstall afterburner to get myself back into windows - couldnt' adjust voltage

what you running as stock at idle? - Im set at 0.875v atm, you find you could go much lower?

 

That is discouraging. 7words was able to run 3dMark06 at 780/946

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...v6-now-shipping-amd-llano-16.html#post7731312

And my voltages are

P6 (800MHz) - 0.8750
P5 (1000MHz) - 0.8875
P4 (1200MHz) - 0.9000
P3 (1400MHz) - 0.9125
P2 (1600MHz) - 0.9250
P1 (1700MHz) - 0.9500 (failed at 0.9375)
P0 (2600MHz) - 1.1250 (failed at 1.1)
B0 (2600MHz) - 1.1250

I imagine that the lower frequencies might be able to go a little lower but I think P3-B0 is as low as it is likely to get.

 

Try to OC the GPU with Afterburner, with that you should reach 10000 3DMarks in 06. For Ocing, crossfire has to be disabled.

Edit:
Done.
http://3dmark.com/3dm06/15906991

 

Is it possible to OC the iGPU as well?

Or <wishful thinking> even flash the vbios to turn the 6750m into a 6770m and get a 6775g2?

 

Nice. What CPU/GPU clocks are you running at and what are the temps like?

 

CPU: 2600Mhz @ 1.0625V 81°C max, mostly at 76°C
GPU: 780/950 82°C max, mostly at 77°C

 

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Wow, nice temps. Llano really runs cool.

Not worth it imo, doesn't come with the discrete graphics.

 

Compared to a a6-3400m with the 512mb discrete option what would you say is a better deal**, I got my set up for 620 before taxes.

 

If you live in Canada (I'm sure there is an equivelant US version), the laptop I purchased from Best Buy seems to be the overall best deal when you factor in overclocking...

dv6-6128ca

First off, its listed as an A6-3400M when its in fact it's an A6-3410MX - so right off the bat you can OC to 3530MX frequencies without worrying about heat issues as they have the same thermal envelope (45W) and power supply (120W)

Not only that you get Dual graphics w/ 1Gig GDDR5 and the potential to upgrade to 1600MHz DDR3

The best part being price as you save 200-300 bucks off a comparable A8 model.

The only cons I can find is there is no USB3, on-chip Llano graphics only has 320 shaders instead of 400 and it only comes with 4G DDR3 (no biggie - updating to 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 later should be only around 70-80 bucks )

 

This is still a good deal. HP - Pavilion Laptop / AMD A-Series Processor / 15.6" Display / 6GB Memory / 640GB Hard Drive - Dark Umber - dv6-6135dx It was better when it came with a $100 gift card, but I don't see that any more.

 

You might as well take advantage of the free xbox offer, get a more expensive system and just sell the xbox for like $150-200.

Or, if you have an extra $100, just configure something $1000+ and use the 30% off coupon.

Also, does anybody know if the 3530MX is compatible with 1800mhz RAM?

 

I can't get it to run at that speed at anything lower than 1.15V but my temperature is lower than that with IntelBurn. I haven't tried stressing the GPU and CPU at the same time yet, though, so it is possible I might reach the same temps. Out of curiosity, what did you use to test stability?

@r3d - According to AMD, no, 1600 for the mobile-quad MX's and only 1333 for every other mobile.

 

Aw, that's a shame.

And I expected you to be able to OC better than 7words because the 3530MX is binned higher... Maybe the 3410MX has better OCing potential due to less GPU cores?

 

Okay so I have been following this forum for a while now. I am about to buy one of these llano based hp laptops on the hp site. I had a question though. Today HP lowered the price on the dv6zqe by $50. The starting price is now $599. In order to use the 30% off coupon I can either upgrade the ram to 8gb or the hdd to 750gb. Would the 8gig increase the performance of the cpu and 6620g over the 6gb because it can use double data rate or would there not be much increase? I wish hp had an option for the 1600 ram.

 

Upgrade the video card (to 1 GB if you can)

 

You would probably see a slight increase in performance with dual channel RAM. But maybe get the larger hard drive if you need the space, and buy 1600MHz RAM on your own.

Although interesting on the $50 price drop. I may have to call and see if they can knock $50 off the price of mine!

 

If you get them to let me know. But they usually won't if you ordered using a coupon, especially a 30% coupon.

 

Well if they currently have a 30% coupon plus it's $50 cheaper to start, I guess I don't see any issue there. Just reorder if I have to, but not worth the delay for $50 me thinks. Of course I realize price difference is only $35 since it drops $50 off configured price then 30% off total. So that $50 becomes $35.

 

grrrrrr..... I don't mind the price drop, but I mind the price drop given that they haven't actually built or shipped my laptop yet....

Only difference is that the A8-3530MX is no longer available as an option so a reorder means a downgrade to the A8-3510MX (although I am not sure that is significant, although hopefully the 3530's are the better binned chips).

It looks like the difference is maybe $30 cheaper when you factor in the current coupons, but it will depend on your top number.

I think I might complain about that and see what I can get.

 

I doubt the difference in overclocking and undervolting potential between the A8-3530mx and A8-3510mx will be much, if anything. With the ease of controlling the voltages the only real roadblock to overclocking these is the temperature and all dv6z's are going to have the same cooling system. What you might want to do if you want better overclocking is get some good thermal paste, because manufacturers like HP usually have low-quality thermal paste spread poorly.

 

That is not the same, I need to know how strong is the strongest mobile APU. With a 3DMark 2001SE or 2003 number I really could compare with my old and current laptops. Thank you!

 

Spent 15 minutes with online chat and they said I should be eligible for the $50, and referred me to the customer resolutions phone line and after about 15 minutes there, they credited me $50. They said it would be credited when my laptop ships. If you call then just tell them the base price dropped $50 and can re-order with the same 30% coupon (expires today though). So far this laptop is costing me only about $730!

 

Abaddon, have you re-tested battery life now that you undervolted the lowest states and overclocked?

 

$730? Even with the 30% coupon and $50, if I get it, mine will be about $700. How did you get the 1080p screen and 9-cell battery for only $30 more?

@ernest - It really didn't change much, maybe 10 extra minutes, though that might be because I didn't undervolt the lower p-states (P6-P4) all that much and that is where it spends most of its time. I am gonna try to go even lower with said p-states tomorrow to see if it makes a bigger difference.

 

Heres my '24-7' settings I'll be using on my dv6-6128ca (A6-3410MX)...

Tested with superPi 1M and 30 minutes of Prime95:

Idle: 800Mhz @ 0.0750


Load: 2400Mhz @ 1.0500v


Turbo: 2800Mhz @ 1.1375v (haven't tested fully yet)

 

I have already received a $40 credit for the hard drive price difference (I ordered the day they started selling the llano config) because they had a 500gb option for a couple days. I was told I would receive that credit when my laptop ships, which it hasn't yet (going to ship tomorrow ...I hope). Do you think I could get another credit for the base price dropping $50 or should I just be happy with what I already got. After being delayed for about a month now I am thinking of going for it, at least I will get something out of this long wait then.

 

Just an observation - according to CPU-Z, the APU only seems to visit p6 (idle), p0 (load) and occasionally turbo. Since CPU-Z officially supports Llano, I doubt it is misinformed to miss all those states - although I have been told that the tools out right now can't read Llano turbo states effectively... so who knows.

My guess is the delay times that you can adjust on the right side of K10Stat may need tweaking...

 

Mine goes to P5 and P4 more often, at least combined, than P0 when I am just web browsing.

I find it funny, and kind of annoying at the same time, that I got the highest APU but mine seems to be the worst at overclocking, based on what voltage it requires to run at higher clock speeds.