*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Jesus, you got a BigFoot hiding in the mailbox? lol. Man that thing is beat up. But if the fan's are ok, you can probably bend it back to reasonable shape then have to come up with a great story as to how an ogre came right out of the screen and beat the out of your cooler rflmao. Btw, that's the exact model I use. if the fans work, go ahead and use it for tomorrow, Get a 5 gallon bucket, fill with ice, (wet or dry) then use that for your computer stand . Put the laptop and cooler on your kitchen grate (workx great doesn't it If THAT doesn't keep your laptop cool, i don't know what will. Oh, and you know what works really well with that cooler..is the Thermaltake usb fan with the rheo on it control airspeed flow. Crank that up under the hole over the cpu and it will knock ten degrees off of it.

(which is what i use now. ordered another one as i bogarted this one from the cooler for my mx11. LOL
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Well, if I can manage to get to MicroCenter tomorrow I will buy one there, and just return this one.

LOL @ dry ice idea. The damn machine will freeze and crumble. But actually I like it! I'll see how well the stock fans do in there and get another one if need be.

Actually heat isn't as much an issue as the lockups are. I ran at 2.4GHz Prime95 and steadied at 77C, with Kombustor ran at 82C. But lower is always better.

Here's the packaging box. It only had one spindly little piece of paper packaging in there. Why even put it in there lol:

Spoiler

 

Hey guys great news. I used the hp recovery partition to reset all the drivers to factory settings. Everything works great now.

 

Ha, I just did the same, used "minimized recovery" so it doesn't load all the crap. I think the HP software does some things. But haven't had a chance to test it all yet.

Did you use K10stat and/or update any additional drivers, like 11.8?

 

Here's a screenie:


I did just that. Every time I restart (or even standby), the system goes back to the stock settings.

 

FusionTweaker. Ah great. Another program to pull the rest of my hair out over.

 

Really curious. Even at 800x600, the input lag in F1 2010 still persists. Anyone else facing anything like this?

 

I don't think the lag is caused by lack of computational power. keyboard polling must be slowed. Can you try with any kind of a control? gamepad etc.
seer

 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF punkbuster!!!!

I can't play BC2 multi for some reason... The pnkbstrb services refuses to start.

 

I get in on occasion and lock up as I am selecting my class, with crossfire on I couldn't even get past the loading timer. Totaly unplayable

 

Ah HA!

So that's how you do it... To get fans to kick to max sooner and stay there I did the following:

(1) Set up K10Stat with a profile for ALL P-states same speed and voltage


(2) Set CoolSense to Coolest


(3) Set PowerProfile to "High Performance" and also ensure that minimum and maximum CPU speed is 100%

 

Would the Fusion tweaker work with K10 Caspian M520 ?

 

As I understand it, FusionTweaker is designed for 'Fusion" chips But I believe the coder has been working on several versions, i.e. "Brazos tweaker" etc. Still, 'apu' type chips. I'm guessing that k10stat is the one you want to investigate.

seer

 

Boy Wing, you and i have an entirely different thinking on how to set these llano's up. No offense but it looks to me that you are setup to generate as much heat as you can, ergo triggering the fan speed. I'm running Cinebench 11.5 with a B0 of 2967, a P0 of 2600, i'm getting a score of 3.16 and max temp thru the whole exercise has come down to 72C. and I do not even have cool sense installed. to each their own... Now, what are your temps when are you hearing the jet engine 100 percent fan? Take a minute and run cinebench11.5 cpu and tell me what your fan speed gets to, temp etc. and score .

Edit, Just changed two settings now it will run over and over at 3.07 at 59C. I'm going to leave it there.

Seer

 

Checkout PhenomMsrTweaker or K10Stat.

-witteks

 

Witteks are you the coder of FusionTweaker? i.e. the fellow from Germany I chatted with the other day?

Seer

 

Yes, I am.

 

Well hell glad to see you here. I'm having a lot of fun playing with your utility. Getting good temps and good power. gotta tell you, if I had the time, I'd go back to university and get a degree in bios hacking LOL. There is SOOOO much more I could get out of this Dv6z if I could just get access to what I presume are the hidden tweaks in the bios. In the old days there used to 'backdoors' into the developer's panel where you could fiddle with all sorts of timings, essentially what you see on performance desktop motherboards now. Stuff like ctrl/alt/+ etc would open up a whole new sheet of bios bios options. Now, on this bios, there is really nothing of any significance that we have access to. Makes me wonder what HP is thinking...or if any of them actually use a computer LOL. All they have to do is put in a popup that advises that if you fool with the bios settings, you are probably going to screw your machine and if you do you acknowledge its your own fault and thereby waive your warranty as to any subsequent defect or malfunction in any component on the mboard, or attached there to. End of liability problem and it lets us set up our own puters the way we want to use them.

But, bean counters are not into actually USING a puter, just selling them. sigh.. Soooo, your software efforts to increase functionality are greatly appreciated, and I would guess no where more so, than in this forum, so glad you are here.

Seer

 

Seer, that config is for games only. I have a separate one for regular use. The problem is games like Bad Company 2 push the machine to its limit. Benches run cool, all of them, even Prime95. But the problem is if you look other users are running 85-95C with Bad Company 2. It's just a high stress game and have not been able to come close to the same temps with any benchmarks except running Prime95 + Kombustor.

The problem is that the fan does not kick in high until temps reach well over 80C. Not to mention lockups if I don't set all P-states to the same. Other users earlier have noticed the same issue.

It doesn't matter what B0 is because it never goes beyond P0 when stressed. With the all fixed P-state profile @ 2.2 I get a 2.57 Cinebench 11.5 and temps are 59C.

I'm not sure how you're getting 59C with P0 at 2.6GHz unless you're using your NotePal cooler. I just ran with same config @ 2.6 P0 3.0 B0 and got 79C. Coolsense on performance, and my ramped P-state profile (800MHz to 2600MHz @ P0) with 3.0GHz at B0. Score was 2.98.

I've uninstalled CoolSense and the fan doesn't kick in much at all until temps reach > 80C, and no full fan until temps exceed 85C.

Are you using K10Stat or FusionTweaker?

 

I'm using Wittek's Fusion tweaker. As I posted somewhere earlier, it has several advantages. First is that i CAN in fact use 'BO' as FT lets me fool the puter into thinking BO is the new PO. I can literally see it continuously bouncing up and hitting the BO speed with my utilites. Second, it has that neato option to jump directly from say 800mhz to my 2900 something instead of ramping up thru each intervening pstate, on the other hand, on the 'fallback', it lingers at each state so I get the benefits of the higher speed each step of the way back down to the 800. Since I run 'unganged" when doing cinebench I can watch as one or two squares race far ahead of the others all the way around the track, the difference in clearing speed is dramatically visible. My fan clicks from inaudible to the first stage up about the third time around that box, then jumps one more level one or two revolutions later, then sits there until the end. When I first started playing with it (at lower settings even) and before using FT, the fan would be in full scream i.e. 100percent during the last two revolutions and temps would be pushing high 80's, with a score of around 3.13. I'll take the 3.07 and 50 something degrees ANYDAY .

Oh, I wish I had a copy of BC2 (tho I'm not really into those kind of games) I'll have to see if my kid has a copy.
And yes, I see tons of reports from both z and t owners that BC2 runs frying hot. And yes I Always run this lappie on the coolmaster. I almost always have this one on my lap in a recliner so I b 'chillin'

Lastly, Wing, its been my experience, like in say 3dmark06 where you're essentially generating game screens, that the system is rarely being pushed to the max 24/7. There are scenes and events that afford an unlocked multicore to spool some cores down, even if for only fractions of a second, but still every cycle the system is not locked at max is a cycle where cooling can occur. Imho its the way these chips(and their support logic) were designed to run but as you say, your 'mileage' has varied from mine and on your box, the locked cores seem to be doing a better job for you. I find that interesting tho.


Seer

 

How do you run unganged and where do you see this "fast up" option you referred to here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...xxx-series-owners-lounge-245.html#post7875587

I only see mult, vid, and clock settings for each P-state. Clicking on "service" the power profile options are grayed out and says "disable cool 'n quiet" in the BIOS. Of course you can't.

Otherwise this fusiontweaker looks like a K10stat clone.

 

hehehe, did you expand the second page? There's a bunch of settings not visible on the bottom until you drag the page out . Witteks thoughtfully included some mouse over 'help' explanations as to what each of those do.

Seer

 

Just realized that. But the option is grayed out:



I'm beginning to think you got an engineering sample bios or something seeratlas. Because you seem to be unique in all the attributes. There is no way to disable cool 'n quiet in the BIOS. Or any other way through software that I know of.

Are you running F.1D or F.20 BIOS?

 

Kill the hardware turbo box and set your boxxes on all three of the options, i.e. max performance, bat saver, and hp recommended or balanced or whatever you have there. You'll also want to turn off your Hp Cool Sense and then compare what happens when CS is on when its off.

The potentially killer thing that Witteks has in here, tho its not yet working, is the ability to set the base reference clocks. You can see the entries, however when you try to change them it gets immediately overwritten. When he figures that out, we're off to the races.

seer
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LLLOOOOLLL. Boy am I stupid. Doesn't help that I got all of 3 hours sleep last night lol. Now my kids are running circles around me. Sigh. I need a new life.

 

heheh I figured it was something like that Wing
Play around with the Fusion Tweaker after you get some rest and I think you'll like it. The only significant problem I have is that I havn't figured out how to make the settings stick over a reset or even a sleep. Everything reverts to stock. I know he was describing to someone a technique to do that, but I was too tired and I don't know whether the other guy was successful.

seer

I run F.20. Cool and quiet is essentially your HP cool sense. you need to try and turn that off. Near as I can see we can't do SQUAT in the bios of any significance. LOL.

seer

 

Weird, I just changed a P-state in fusion tweaker and it only affected one core.??? Is there a way to affect ALL cores?

Sigh. Maybe I better wait until I've had some more sleep or lots of coffee and kids aren't running and screaming around me.

 

Probably a good idea. Btw, I just ran superpi 1.5 to compare what this box is doing now as opposed to when i ran it out of the box stock. It *was* something like 39secs to 1m, now its 26 at 43 C on the cpu. Idle in this room is 41-42.

I also had hwinfo open and graphing the cores so I could see how many threads were jumping up how high, and all my afterburner monitors up and running. Not too shabby.

Get some sleep. dream of 3dmark11 p2200 hehehehehh

Seer

 

Only my first core is turboing to max speed, everything else is at P1 (well P0, whatever).

 

So I started to try and play with Fusion Tweaker. I set everything, and when I hit apply I get an error message that it stopped working. Did you get that message and if so how did you make it work?

 

Ive got about a week to finish getting this thing dialed and locked down. Not gonna be messing with it much after that.

 

Hi guys,

just want to mention a few things. I haven't developed all of the code. I just took the open source PhenomMsrTweaker, which does a great job on all K10 machines. I need to give credit to whom it belongs to.

My part were the modifications for the changes related to Llano/Brazos specific registers and different Multiplier/Divider algorithms, while also adding the handling of NB/GPU PState things. I don't really have played around with the turbo and I will probably not have that opportunity, since I'm not owning a system with turbo.

Btw, K10Stat is not open source. You might want to think about the clone again .

Ok, talking about the FusionTweaker:
I'm still wondering, why the permanent box does not make the settings stick. I will need to go through the whole code again. I will also look, if I can get more insight into the turbo function.

-witteks

 

Hey, sorry. Didn't mean the comment as an insult, only that it seemed to offer the same options as K10stat. Thank you for your efforts. I see that the "aggressive up" feature is unique. Except I can't seem to get it to work on all but one core. I'll fiddle around with it some more. However the slower progression through the P-states is helping me isolate which p-state has too low voltage that is crashing my machine on occasion.

Not to mention my frustration with this machine that I thought was a good bargain is turning out not to be, mainly because of all the fudging around I have to do to get decent performance. Although I don't see very many viable alternatives for less than $1000 with similar performance, battery life, screen, blu-ray.

Also noticed my system doesn't ever run at P7 state, minimum P6.

 

Never had that happen Rat. I'm thinking you had something else running that conflicted. do you have k10stat running as a service? I doubt they play nice together.

seer

 

I looked and didn't find anything. I disabled K10stat service and rebooted making sure it didn't start. I had the same thought about them not playing well together. I'll poke around some more and see what I can figure out but I'm running out of time, may have to just go with my K10stat for now and give up on BC2 (can't get it to run without freezing up). I'm not sure if I want to mess around too much with it when I get to Afghanistan in a few weeks.

 

Thanks, i have that already. Your seems more user friendly that's why i asked.

 

@ seer - when you use the "aggressive up" option do all your cores run to the P0 (B0) speed? Only one does on mine, and it varies which one. Also my system only goes down to P6 state, not P7 (k10stat P6).

@ undeadrat - I get lockups with BC2 also, but usually only after 15-30 minutes. It seems to happen most often after a round ends and a new one starts. I'm beginning to think it's an issue with the drivers moreso than voltages or k10stat. Something tells me either the wi-fi card or audio drivers.

 

I have turned off crossfire. Crossfire seems to hurt fps more than help, at least games I've played. I don't know that I've tested the "all same P-states" profile enough yet to know if it's a solution yet either. Hopefully will have time to play later.

What's strange is if I run at 2.2GHz, it tends to hover around 80C, and almost like it tries to throttle the CPU, but then I bump it to 2.4GHz and it no longer tries to throttle, but temps go up to about 85C and fan kicks in full or near full. So I'm almost better off running at 2.4GHz.

 

I found some interesting stuff about the power plans, in HP Recommended at idle it will drop down to P6(lowest) and with High Performance it will idle at the B0 state until load is applied then the cores jump between the P0 and B0 states.

Maybe that's why it never drops down for you Wing.

 

Thanks Panthercat...

I've become intimitely familiar with the power plans. On HP Recommended it sits at P6, not P7.

Still can't understand why only one core is boosting though with FT.

edit: Hmm, rebooted and now it will sit at P7. Weird.

edit edit: lol, ok, if I change the P1 state, then it will idle at P6 not P7 until I reboot. And now I can't get it to boost at all.

I think I'll stick with K10stat for now I've lost enough hair over this machine already.

 

I suspect you may find other things to occupy your mind. If I may offer some advice born of experience, Keep your eyes open, don't trust anyone or any thing you can't verify yourself, NEVER do anything predictable, especially manner or route of travel, TRUST in your own gut!!!. Your subconscious mind is far more aware and alert, and far better at juggling multiple tasks. When a thought pops out of nowhere to the effect that "There's something WRONG here..." there almost always is. Lastly, by far the most important.. Seer's rule number Ten, (in honor of the Ten Commandments) "When everyone has a weapon...its the man who THINKS that lives..." gluck.
Unless you're the guy that's going over there on Honeymoon heheheh. In that case, its too late for you already rflmao.
Seer

 

If you weren't so tired, you'd notice that FT numbers the pstates differently.. wittek didn't use "BO".....
Get some sleep.

EDIT Whoops, just saw your post on the other page, you found that already

Seer

 

Try to change your P1 state, apply it, then see if it runs on P6 instead of P7. Every time I do that, it will use P6 as minimum until I reboot.

Just tried ganged and unganged and non difference. It runs at 2.2GHz then might boost to 2.3 or 2.4 for a split second. You can see the asterisk (*) at the P-state that's active in FT, and it bounces to the P0 only for a brief second every few seconds.

My P0 is set at 2.8GHz and P1 at 2.2GHz.

Temps don't exceed 62C either.

p.s. my kids are napping now, I think I will too. lol.

 

HT, I don't know what you are using to 'see' the pstates of each of the 4 cores as they are running. You need to have whatever it is set to very high sampling rates...
Yes after i change p1, and hit apply it drops down to the p6 setting. that is because the processor does not have 7 Pstates available when the BO has been reconfigured to a PO which is what is happening when you hit 'apply" . I also think if you will check that the 'red' ctb" we were discussing earlier, has disappeared from the readout in HWinfo32. You should show enhanced cpu performance. You can check by running the built in cpu benchmark a few times before you punch in your P1 and afterwards.

Seer

 

Ok, here's the settings, here's the cinebench run. Fastest this machine has done.fans kicked in early, but cpu was really pulling hard, final temp 87C at finish.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww267/seeratlas/CinebenchRun.png

That's a pretty good score for a non sandy bridge cpu btw.

seer

 

Meh too much coffee to sleep...

I use HWInfo64 to monitor P-states. If you turn off "aggressive up" though and/or switch to "enable hardware turbo" it will still only use the P0 (B0) to P6 (P5).

See here (choose 720p for best fidelity) CPU is running high before I start Cinebench because I'm running FRAPS to record:

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So I finished my undervolt oddly enough I can't seem to get FT to lock them in place, maybe I should try K10STAT instead.
But anyway the lowest stable voltages are:
2600-1.0375
1900-0.9000
1700-0.8325
1400-0.8000
1200-0.7500
1000-0.7125
800-0.6875
They all passed IntelBurn on high and during the test for the 2600 load was only 88C. Should I add 0.0125V for extra stability? Or is it fine as is?

 

Yeah FT seems to reset the settings with a reboot. Would be nice to have multiple profiles too like K10stat. But its a work in progress. If I can get the B0 as P0 to work properly then it will be a nice feature over K10stat.