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    HP Zv6000

    Discussion in 'HP' started by Plus_Sized_Model, Feb 28, 2005.

  1. MashiMaro

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    sorry..this might be off topic...

    But...how do you check how fast is your hard drive?

    also i know there's a run command that will show you your system spec. but i forgot what it was...something like dxlog..Argh!
     
    MashiMaro, May 10, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by MashiMaro
     
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    run>dxdiag.exe
     
    bOOm, May 10, 2005
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    A couple more quick questions.

    If I’m crunching a lot of video will the AMD Athlon(TM) 64 4000+ (2.4GHz/1MB l2 Cache)give me a noticeable difference in my render times over AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3800+ (2.4GHz/512KB L2 Cache or will it be one of those thing where it gives me an extra 30 secs over a 3 day render?
    Is there a site out there or someone that has run them head to head?

    Hey Brian thanks for the link I finally got it to work that’s a smoking deal on RAM.
    You mentioned CrystalCPUID to me before were do I get it?
     
    d_hippy, May 10, 2005
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  5. MashiMaro

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    thanks for the answers...i'll try to remember these.
     
    MashiMaro, May 10, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by MashiMaro
     
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  8. olbaltumc

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    ZV6000 doesnt have Infrared!!! Not something you might like! I had a long discussion with hp, and they say its a Consumer IR, that works only with Remote control for InterVideo HomeTheater!! Its hard to believe that they put sucha crap feature in thismodel, not a normal IrDA, anyway, if this consumer IR supported some remote control, how can it be run without any drivers supported by HP, AND without showing up in Device Manager? this is silly. hate HP for such a move, now i cant use my mobile phone to access internet with notebook. yuk!
    Are the fans equal? my primary fan(that is always running) makes noisy rattling noise, maybe i can swap it with secondary fan?
     
    olbaltumc, May 10, 2005
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  9. bluedevils

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    I'm thinking about cancelling my Tech Depot order or returning the units to Office Depot once they arrive because I am so disappointed in the shipping delay and lack of updates.

    Let me know if you might be interested in either of the following configurations. They are almost the same, except one has an 8-cell battery with 2x256 MB RAM and the other (the one I planned to keep possibly) has two 12-cell batteries and 1x512 MB RAM. I had planned to sell one or both on ebay and probably could make a couple hundred bucks there, but would be willing to part with them for a more modest profit. Let me know if you are interested.

    Athlon64 3200+
    60GB 4200RPM HD
    512MB RAM (2x256)
    8-cell battery
    CD-RW/DVD ROM
    XP Home
    15.4" WXGA (not BrightView)
    Wireless with Bluetooth
    128MB ATI Radeon Xpress 200 graphics

    The 2nd laptop has two 12-cell batteries and 512 MB RAM x 1; otherwise, same as the one above.
     
    bluedevils, May 11, 2005
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  10. webwilli

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by olbaltumc
     
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  11. jnmigr

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    Is connecting your notebook with a cellphone is so important for you, why do you still have a IrDa phone only and not bluetoooth?
    Btw do anyone here know if the zv5000 had IrDa integrated? How do i activate it? If it come with it.
     
    jnmigr, May 11, 2005
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  12. brianstretch

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    The zv5000 doesn't have IrDA. Really, IrDA is obsolete. Everything's gone Bluetooth. Maybe someone has a USB IrDA dongle for legacy devices.
     
    brianstretch, May 11, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by jnmigr
     
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  14. neevakee

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    Well guys i have been meaning to post, but i got my laptop two weeks ago and i love it. this is all i need and then some. Well not quite, i do need a gigabit ethernet card, but that can easily be arranged. It is a lot easier to nag about the few bad things then it is to complain about the numerous good features this laptop has, ie a usb port on the right hand side. I can't wait to get a 64 bit os on this thing im debating on windows or to do a dual boot of linux. While it came two weeks ago i left town the day it came in, but i wouldn't have taken it with me, i had a laptop from work to use so i took that. I know a lot of questions have been answered, but i will be happy to answer any if asked. Best of luck and enjy you zv6000's.
     
    neevakee, May 11, 2005
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  15. bOOm

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    have you tried playing games?
     
    bOOm, May 11, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by bOOm
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by hr_phenom
     
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  18. spybyscript

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    I was able to play HL2 on my R4000 at 800x600 max settings for single player, or 800x600 medium/low for counterstrike source.
     
    spybyscript, May 14, 2005
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  19. scott w

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    HP made some pricing changes and the direct $200 savings is no longer in effect as of 5/16/2005. They still offer a $50 rebate, and the pricing is within $5 of what the order would have been previously.

    Has anyone received thiers recently and care to comment on it?
     
    scott w, May 16, 2005
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  20. AMDemon

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    Good eye [ ;)]...I noticed this, too...Now, both models are almost identical in price (R/ZV)

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    AMDemon, May 17, 2005
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  21. hott001

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    Both CPUZ and Sandra Lite report but one memory channel on the zv6000. I purchased the AMD 64 3500 and two 512 mb of memory under the impression that the machine supported the dual channel features of the AMD 64 3500. Had I known that it supported only one channel, I would have purchased a "thin and light" AMD 64 notebook w/ 1mb of L2 cache, instead. Does anyone know if the zv6000 motherboard is engineered to support the dual channel memory and if this can be enabled by a simple bios update? Thanks.

    Hott001
     
    hott001, May 18, 2005
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  22. brianstretch

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    You're right, dual channel memory should be enabled in your notebook. It's almost certainly a BIOS bug but no one has managed to get HP to confirm this.
     
    brianstretch, May 18, 2005
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  23. hott001

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by brianstretch
     
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  24. billipo

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    Well, I tried. I wanted to swap the 512mb stick or ram that I purchased to add to the factory installed 256mb from the expansion slot to the memory slot under the keyboard. Disassembly of the keyboard bezel was pretty easy. Just four screws on the back of the underside. Then it sort of pops off the plastic under the screen where the power button and quicklaunch buttons are. I got the keyboard up to find that they have put a piece of aluminum foil over the ram slot for warranty purposes I suspect. Oh well, like I said, I tried.
     
    billipo, May 19, 2005
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  25. spybyscript

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    Actually I confirmed with HP that the ZV6000 and R4000 is single channel. I spent about a half hour on the phone with them, getting transferred around until they finally were able to get the actual information of whether it is dual or not.

    I was told, finally, that the ZV6000 and R4000 are single channel by design and that there are no plans on this changing in the future, even though the processors in theory should support dual channel memory. They would pretty adamant about it being unlikely that there would be a bios fix that would enable it.
     
    spybyscript, May 19, 2005
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  26. hott001

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by spybyscript
     
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  27. brianstretch

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    That's overstating things, but it does effectively turn a 3500+ into a 3400+ and 3800+ into a 3700+, which makes HP's advertising misleading. HP has some explaining to do.
     
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  28. hott001

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    Here's what we do know; the 3500 dual channel at 2.2 with 512 L2 is approximately equal, only slightly better than, the 3400 single channel at 2.2 with 1 mb L2. See http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q3/athlon64-3500/index.x?pg=1

    Therefore, it is reasonable to infer that the *thing* that I got, hypothetically, benchmarks at somewhat less than a 3400 single channel with only 512 L2. How much less is open to speculation; however I can categorically say this: the Compaq r3000z with A64 3000 running at 1.8 with 1.0 mb of L2 cache did, in fact, boot up 25 seconds faster and felt much faster. That is why I began to suspect that something was amis with this *thing* that I bought because it supposedly has a much faster CPU, I.E., the A64 3500 with dual channel memory. Needless to say, before its over, HP will either make this right or they could see a class action over this.

    I re-iterate: i think that this is a hunk of junk if it only has single channel memory when I bought it for a 2 channel CPU without any notice that one channel had been defanged.

    Hott001
     
    hott001, May 20, 2005
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  29. Imacyco

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    Could a simple BIOS update enable Dual Channel? If so, HP better get moving because this is BS.
     
    Imacyco, May 20, 2005
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  30. hott001

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by spybyscript
     
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  31. spybyscript

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    Best thing to do is do what I did - call them up and ask, complain when they tell you that it is single channel, and say that you believed that these notebooks were supposed to have dual channel because of the CPUs the notebooks are using. If people don't complain they aren't likely to do anything about it.

    The main reason I would think that they told me what they did is because the internal memory slot is NOT supposed to be tampered with by the user - that it in fact can cause your warranty to be void if you do try to change the memory, and why they most likely put the silver tape over the memory slot to ensure it isn't tampered with.

    If then a user can only change the external (bottom) memory they couldn't make sure that dual memory would work, so went the simple route and just disabled dual channel memory all together to avoid people calling them and complaining when they changed the external memory to something other than what it shipped with.

    It's kind of hokey, but it is the best explaination why they would disable a feature that is built into the CPU they are using. They're using pretty much desktop AMD64 socket 939 cpus, which all have the dual channel memory controller built into the CPU.

    BTW I haven't had my 30 days pass. While I liked the notebook and had no problem with the performance, I did not like how they made upgrading the internal slot "warranty breaking" nor the fact some features such as dual channel were disabled. I've returned the notebook and I'm getting something that fits what I do more (photoshop/3D work) more -- a Toshiba M4 tablet. It is not 64-bit, but it does have a Dothan CPU, uses DDR2 dual channel, has a geforce 6600, SATA HD, and is half the weight. Oh, and has 1400x1050 resolution which is higher. It was about $400 more than what I paid for the compaq, but... hey, fits my need since it is a tablet, it has a great video card and is only a little bit slower.
     
    spybyscript, May 20, 2005
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  32. AMDemon

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    Am I the only one who thinks that the unavailability of an extra 100Mhz in rated equivalent speed isn't that big of an issue? (Just curious, no offense to those who purchased it for those reasons) I do agree that HP screwed up, in fact, too many things to list...[ :(]

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  33. AMDemon

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    The only thing you can do is disseminating the issue to as many people as possible, then having each of those demand that Hp resolve it ASAP.



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  34. Havok_rls2

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by AMDemon
     
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  35. svgone

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    I was really counting on the dual channel feature. If this is something that can be fixed with a BIOS fix, I will keep the machine. If not, since I have the costco 6 month period, I will return the machine while I shop for a machine which makes use of the dual channel capability of the processor. Why did HP pull such a shady move :(
     
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  36. bumblebeesticker

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    Not trying to step on any toes, just my two cents. Although, I'm disappointed that I haven't received my zv6000 from Costco yet, I'm not sure why the lack of dual channel on this is such a shady move. Individual manufacturers often choose features to put on processors, motherboards etc.. As far as I remember, this was never advertised as a feature of the zv6000. I will say it's another disappointment.
     
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  37. hott001

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by AMDemon
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by hott001
     
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  39. hott001

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by scottman
     
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  40. Imacyco

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    Has anyone considered benchmarking to see how much of a performance hit this will be?
     
    Imacyco, May 20, 2005
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  41. miner

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    If anybody is willing to download and run Aquamark3(www.aquamark3.com) or any other benchmarking software on their ZV6000/R4000.

    Anyway, here's mine for comparision...
    http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1496289515





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    miner, May 20, 2005
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  42. pastkev

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    You will find discussion and some links I posted at the folling link.


    http://www.zv6000forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=48

    I have 2 comparison studies linked.

    The result is that the second channel does not make much difference.

    It's the on board controller that gives you the real speed boost.
     
    pastkev, May 20, 2005
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  43. boomboom213

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    What happend to zv6000forums.com
    wtf? Should use ipowerweb.com
     
    boomboom213, May 23, 2005
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  44. AMDemon

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    Probably too much traffic...or not[ :p]

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    AMDemon, May 23, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by miner
     
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    Wow!!! That is one "skewed up" benchmark. I think it heavily favors Intel processors(architecture)...

    I ran it both on my laptop as well as on my desktop which is a Celeron 2.8GHz, 512MB RAM, IE2 Integrated graphics...

    It gave a passmark score of 233.2 for my laptop and 209.3 for my desktop...

    CPU Mark
    AMD Athlon 64 3200+ - 408.2
    Intel Celeron 2.8GHz - 409.6[:0][xx(]

    I really dont know what to say, other than the fact that the benchmark is heavily skewed towards Intel.

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    miner, May 24, 2005
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  47. scott w

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    Mixed results right now... the estimated ship date of my laptop was supposed to be 5/24/2005. I received an email today 5/25/2005 from HP Customer Service, apologizing and announcing there is a delay due to the "shortage of AMD processors specified for your custom order". I went with the AMD Athlon64 3200+.

    On the other hand, they issued me a $50.00 credit coupon to be used on any HP.com shopping purchase. It was a nice offer, but only so much compensation can go with waiting for a $1,200.00 item. With that, I might be able to pick up a laptop bag for about $10.00 my end result cost. But I'll have to compare it's worth/quality versus a retail store.

    I'm still miffed that it has been delayed, but what can I do? They also offer the chance to cancel the order, but I got in on a decent price with the instant $200.00 off. Re-configuring the same laptop would now cost me $225 more. The original order was placed on 5/14/2005. So I am at +11 days and counting right now.. I'll be patient for another few days, keeping my fingers crossed.

    Anyone else get the bad news?
     
    scott w, May 25, 2005
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by scott w
     
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    $225 more?...Even after factoring in your $50 off coupon?

    P.S.-Practically all HpShopping.com coupons given out don't apply to any item that has an instant savings promotion. As to the notebookcase idea...I'd strongly suggest the following based on my peers' reviews:

    http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=DL618A

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    For all zv6k/r4k dialogue.
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    Zv6000 with:
    Athlon64 3200+ (2.0GHz/512kb L2cache)
    15.4" Widescreen w/Brightview
    512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512-PC2700)
    60GB-5400RPM HardDrive
    54(g)Broadcom Integ.Wireless w/Speedbooster & Bluetooth
    12cell battery
     
    AMDemon, May 26, 2005
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    rfortson Notebook Consultant

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by miner


    CPU Mark
    AMD Athlon 64 3200+ - 408.2
    Intel Celeron 2.8GHz - 409.6[:0][xx(]

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    yeah, that was the part I noticed. I need to try some others like the Aquamark you mentioned.

    Russ

    HP ZV5000z
    Athlon 64 3000+
    768mb RAM
    60gb 4200rpm HD
    nVidia G0 440 64mb
    DVD-RW/CD-RW
    1394, 5-in-1 card reader
    15.4" wide screen
    802.11 b/g w/Speedbooster
     
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