NOW AVAILABLE - Updated ENVY 15, ENVY 17 / ENVY 17 3D

8 hours? the tech spec says 7...the video says 9 (all for the 15). I don't think HP knows theyre talking about with this atm.

 

Two choices left.

1. Call, ask for a discount. Probably won't get any substantive answers until after

2. AFTER it arrives at your place, then call and say you saw a discount online, wanted a discount in exchange for not returning.

 

I think you might be wrong, it's 7650 that's would be considered "rebadged" 6770, at least based on the gaming benchmarks. FPS is nearly identical for the games listed here:

6770
Total War: Shogun 2 - 13.5 fps
Just Cause 2 - 13.8 fps

7650
Just Cause 2: - 14.72 fps
Total War: Shogun 2 - 15.93 fps

7690
Just Cause 2: - 27.1 fps
Total War: Shogun 2 - 33.6 fps



AMD Radeon HD 6770M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

HP Communities - AMD?s Radeon 7600M Graphics for New ENVY Laptops - HP Communities

 

Yes it does, the mini toslink is the optical in.

As you already have seen, my sound system has all the digital connectors (1 coaxial and 2 opticals).
And I even got a coaxial cable and a toslink cable from wich both ends can be transformed to a spdif 3.5mm connection.
So I got the right digital connections and all the cables.
And I see that the HP receiver too has all the digital connections: a coaxial (marked as spdif) and a mini toslink for the optical.

But they should have marked it more conform the industry habits, the yellow connection should be called coaxial and the black 3.5mm entry should be called spdif



After some testing here on my old Toshiba Qosmio laptop (with spdif) it seems that I could also use a simple 3.5mm jack connection from my Headphone out to the input on the right side of the control center, next to the headphone connection:

And with this method it seems that I still can get 5.1 Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound
I had never thought about this option since I had digital connections on all my hardware, it never came to my mind
And so I can rest assure assuming that I can use the same setup on the Envy 17 (it even has 2 of those headphone outputs).

Only difference with my current set up would be that I use a Headphone output instead of the spdif output (by lack of one), use a 3.5mm jack to 3.5mm jack cable instead of an optical cable, and connecting it to that specific input on my control center instead of the optical input.

The name for that specific input according to the manual is called: analog stereo-mini, so thank god for that

This is good news, because now I wont be needing a uDAC, nor that wireless receiver system. It saves me on hardware, power cabels and usb connections
I wont be needing that rca splitter thingy you suggest, only this 3.5mm jack: http://www.youritronics.com/shop/images/large/3.5-mm-stereo-jack-cable_w.jpg
So good think my Logitech system has a bunch of connection types, but I still find it rather disappointing that the HP Envy 17 hasnt got a digital output in the form of a spdif...

 

I just wish there were specific specs for each model...then one can tell which one is which. I don't think the 7690 is going to be a slouch by any means! Benchmarks are more reflective of the 5850/6850

Here are AMD's specs for the 6850M.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/note...md-radeon-6800m/Pages/amd-radeon-6800m.aspx#3

 

That link which a member said was confirmation of the gpu now says this for the graphics card...

Envy 15: 7690M
Envy 17: 7690M XT

However the poster said that the Envy 15 was confirmed to have the 7650...so which is right?

 

EDIT: To poster ^^, he (HP employee) just miswrote it. We're both looking at the same article.

So for all those following apparently what was called the 7650 in the 15 is now actually the 7690m and the 7690m in the 17 is actually the 7690m xt according to hp blogger gizmogladstone. Regardless though the benchmarks reported earlier remain the same.

 

Thank you very very much guys. I've just called HP's customer service. They applied new coupon for me and I'll get a refund once the computer is shipped. Great service indeed!

 

So compared to the 6850 how does the new GPU in the Envy 17 (the 7690M XT) stack up?

Are we looking at equal performance?

 

I find it I funny I purchased a $1100 laptop with no idea what graphics card it has

 

Not really. We all did the same thing using the following logic (I presume):

1. Brand spanking new premium laptop on sale with 33% off coupon, netting huge discounts
2. We all knew it was a re-badged GPU and would assume it can't be any worse than what we expected
3. 21 day return policy

 

LOL so true!!

 

If you look at this site here:

Total War: Shogun 2 Performance w/ AMD Radeon HD 6850 - Benchmarking With Total War: Shogun 2 - Legit Reviews

the fps on ultra high for total war: shogun 2 on the 6850 is 41.1 compared with 33.6 on the 7690m xt.

EDIT: The hp testing was done at 720p on the 7690m xt whereas the 6850 testing was done @ 1080p. Hrmmmhm....

 

+1,

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I'm curious why the XT seems to get almost 2x the FPS in some of the benchs by the HP guy. Can't be cpu related, as the 17" had a slower cpu.

I wonder if the XT is just a higher clocked 7690M? edit: now that I think of it. overclocking doesn't really yield that much of a difference...

 

FACT: THIS JUST IN, ADDING SPECIAL LETTERS TO A PIECE OF HARDWARE'S NAME MAKES IT FASTER/BETTER.

It's the only explanation

 

The price, design, and IPS display was enough for me. I had previously considered the dv6t, so anything beyond 6770m performance is just icing on the cake at this point. Also, you are getting a lot of laptop for $1100. I got 5 years out of my current notebook, and I hope to do the same with this one.

 

Me too. Price, design, IPS display and a pre-evaluation, not necessarily 100% true, of the graphic card.

 

Hey, hows my new order?

HP ENVY 15 customizable Notebook PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
• 2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
• 1GB Discrete Graphics AMD Radeon(TM) [HDMI, DP]
• 6GB 1333MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• 500GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
• No Additional Office Software
• 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
• 15.6-inch diagonal Radiance Full HD Infinity LED-backlit Display (1920 x 1080)
• SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
• HP TrueVision HD Webcam
• Intel 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R) with Wireless Display Support
• Full-size Radiance backlit keyboard
• Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 9 & Adobe Premiere(R) Elements 9
• 2 year limited warranty included
• HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

Total $1072

 

Seems like you got it!

And it seems I misunderstood your initial question. I thought you were asking about the HP Audio Wireless because that is what you wanted. I didn't realize you were just looking to connect your audio system to the Envy. Then yeah, 3.5 to 3.5 would be the simplest.

Glad you got it worked out.

 

So I'm guessing people that ordered on Dec. 7th are still showing up as "still in production" on order status as of today Dec 15th?

 

Yup. As it changes you'll hear from us

 

Seeing a lot of uncorroborated info in these last few pages. up until recently we were getting regular info that both models had the 7690m. I wasn't aware there was a designation between the XT and non XT.

If these numbers are true, then the 7690m is EXACTLY the same card as the 6750m. The 6750m is on the same 40 nm architecture, with the same 480 SPs running at 600 MHz. The 6770m runs at 725 MHz (but only 675 MHz in the MBP), and the 6850 from the previous envy 17 had 800 SPs running at 575 MHz. That would be substantially faster than the 7690m in this case.

I don't believe these numbers are correct personally, there's no way they would release the 7690m with the same clocks as the 6750m, it would at least match the 6770m.

Also, I am pretty convinced the 7690m XT or Thames XT is in both models. I don't think there is a separate distinction between 7690m and 7690m XT, I think places that have added or omitted the XT are just using variations of naming for the same thing. This is all just my conjecture though.

 

I wasn't asking about SPDIF out; I was asking about jack retasking. Sure, they may be two identical outputs by default, but if they've done their wiring right, they should be able to retask the three connectors to be discrete analog out.

What's the audio chip, anyway? Device ID would help a lot.

 

So just curious how you would explain the massive difference in benchmark fps on the hp blog then if they both are using the same card at the same res?

 

WIN

Just hilarious. I'm not sure who HP hired who made this executive decision but its an absolute joke and frankly an insult to the consumers. Especially considering that really only the most knowledgeable of consumers would even be BOTHERING to go to their horribly designed store to buy the product in the first place...

 

Yeah that's certainly an interesting thing but all that info was from before release.

Every piece of info from december 7th onward has indicated 7690m and nothing else.

 

HP not knowing about the laptop they just launched = fail

 

Noticed when I try to apply coupon to updated cart with two Envy 15s, get full discount on one and only $250 on the other. Guess you have to place two different oreders to get full discount.

Gary

 

Sorry, this isn't right at all, you are comparing a desktop card and a mobile card, two completely different things, apples and oranges. The desktop cards are far more powerful and suck a lot more power too compared to the mobile cards. They are not even close in performance (usually desktop cards are at a minimum 40% faster than the same mobile named card).

This 7690m XT will probably perform as good if not better than a normal 6850m and quite a bit better than the downclocked version of the 6850m in the previous gen Envy 17

 

Here's what I've just ordered:
HP ENVY 15 customizable Notebook PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
• 2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
• 1GB Discrete Graphics AMD Radeon(TM) [HDMI, DP]
• 6GB 1333MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• 500GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
• 15.6-inch diagonal HD BrightView LED-backlit Display (1366x768)

Just decided to stick with the lower resolution to maintain a good performance overall. In fact, I'm most satisfied with the IPS thing. $971 with the coupon, lol.

 

Agreed, he compared the 7690M XT to the 6850 (Instead of 6850M)

Notice: M means Mobile.

Anyway, hopefully it gets at least that much. I want power for what I'm paying for. Then again, as long as it's around the same power as a 6850M - I'm fine. The more power the better.

 

According to this article, which has a Mobile version of the 6850 opposed to what a few others quote the performance from the desktop.

Preview-HP Envy 17-2102TX Core i7+Radeon HD 6850M New!gaming laptops. | Notebooks for Gaming

The 6850m here is in the previous gen Envy (Envy 17-2102TX to be exact). The pre-production fps of the Envy 17 with 7690m XT will out perform the 6850m in the last gen Envy by at least a small amount. (See Resident Evil 5 for comparison to the HP Bloggers pre-production tests)

This will be very nice, at least slightly better performance than the 6850m and in a package that uses half the power usage and will run cooler (plus pull less power at idle)

 

I hate to break it to you now that you ordered already, but all indications so far that I have seen is that the 1080p screen in the 15in is an IPS panel, the 1366x768 is just a normal screen that comes on most laptops from HP (maybe slightly better, but no where close to the Radiance IPS 1080p panel), it is not even a Radiance panel. So if you really want IPS, I would cancel the order and get the 15 with the 1080p (you can always game at 1366x768 on a 1080p screen if you want the extra performance, you aren't restricted to just 1080p for games on a 1080p screen)

 

So all indications seem to show that the 7650m in the Envy 15 and 7690m in the Envy 17 will slightly outperform the current 6770m and 6850m respectively yes?

If so I'd be perfectly happy. My heart dropped at first when I saw that it was a 7650m due to AMD/ATI's naming scheme the past few years for desktop graphics, which I actually know things about (ie, 4850 is about equal to 5770/6770, 4870 outperforms 5770/6770). I was worried when it became a 76xx card since anything ending in less than 700 usually means budget card, but I guess everything will be fine.

 

I'm trying not to regret anything of the purchase. For now, I cannot make any change to the order, even canceling it. But anyway, thanks for the tips. I really appreciate it.

 

As long as it JUST went in and hasn't been dropped to factory, I'm sure you could cancel it if needed. Just phone them up, they'll understand.

 

Well then it really makes no sense. The memory bandwidth is higher as well as the shaders. It's so confusing I already the new envy on order but I may decide to return it if it turns out that I took a step back on graphics

 

It has been dropped to the factory. Sad fact.
Anyway, I'm sure I'll be happy with it

 

So from people who have a good understanding of video cards and have owned a second gen envy 15 or 17 do you expect the graphic performance to be better on the new envy 15 and 17?
Ie
5830 vs 7690?
6850 vs 7690xt?

 

You could always return it. Your honestly missing out on what i, and i am sure many others, feel is one of the best features of this laptop.

 

Hi all, just seen an Envy 15, presumably production model - it shows 7690m in device manager.

I'm not an expert in these things, following this thread as a consumer like the rest of you, but I am an HP employee and they have one on display here in the office.

 

If possible, be sure to let us know whatever else you can find out!

 

Hey Envy people, first post.
First, +130 pages in this thread, on topic, very informative and in a civil tone. That is impressive, i am differently going to spent more time in this forum.
But speaking of on-topic i ordered the envy 17 3010 about 7weeks ago, though my work place.
I am from Denmark, and as of today, the envy17 is "på lager"(in stock) in the first online store.
Hopefully that means that shipping starts very soon.

 

The 7690xt is the same chip as the 6750/6770, slightly overclocked. Will sadly never outperform a 6850. The real 28nm 30% performance gain 7000 series will only come out second quarter next year...

 

I was looking on swedish HP. Is it sure that there is 17'' Envy with nonFullHD display? If you read the thread you read that we have discussed again this but we didn't get managed to know for sure. The US site says only 1080p displays on 17'' Envy.
I want to buy it from Sweden where it is in good price too. I asked them about the display if they are sure that it is 1600x900 and they never answered me. Have you asked them in the ordering? Also the Dustin has old photos of the previous Envy and not the new one. And also has the 3000 not the 3010. From where did you ordered it?

 

For Radiance IPS hand-on experience, please go over to Sony stores and take a look at Vaio SE.

 

in Scandinavia the envy17 comes 4 predefined flavors,(second tab) We do not have the option to custom build it as the US store does. And Dustins model (3000) is the base model with the nonFullHd screen. But as you can see from the link, the other three models are 1920 x 1080.
i did not order it directly, my work place ordered it in bulk through atea.dk, They sell only to other businesses. My point was that besides this page, with 2 dead links, Hp in Scandinavia has total blackout on the new envy series. but today dustin.dk/dustin.se has it inStock. only the base model, but still. All the us orders in this thread is still "in production".
As for delivery date (in scandinavia ), the only other information i can find is in the hp.se store. if you add the 3010 (til kassen) delivery is now (Tillgänglig inom 1-2 veckor) translates to "accessible within 1-2 weeks" not very specific but 2 days ago it was 4 weeks.

 

My 8 hours for the Envy 17 comes from the specs, see pic below:

 

well I did want to connect my audio system to the new Envy, but I wanted to use the same method I have been using today, namely: through a digital connection, but since the Envy doesnt have any digital connections (refering to spdif) I had to seek other options:

- usb DAC, wich transforms the usb into a digital out, so I can still use my digital connection, but than I need a uDAC = extra piece of hardware and I lose a USB port
- HP wireless system, wich has a transmitter already build in, but than I need seperate receiver to connect to my audio system = extra piece of hardware

but like I said before, this is the final solution wich doenst involve any extra hardware or loss of connection:
- 3.5mm jack connection from pc to same connection on audiosystem.
I didnt knew that via that kind of basic connection you still could enjoy Dolby Surround sound wich is good news of course.

I just need a 3.5mm jack to 3.5mm jack cable and I have an extra optical cable in reserve now from my previous set up.