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I don't mind having to switch the graphics manually, in fact I kind of wanted it especially since I had some experience with Nvidia's optimus (what a disaster although I've heard it is a lot better now). It's more about installing the drivers and the 7690m not really being supported by AMD, the internet's tech savvy have always joked about AMD having no drivers but from what I've been reading on the net, it just seems to require several sacrifices to the dark ones . The newer laptops have Nvidia so hopefully, things will go much smoother in the driver department.

Just hope HP is kindly to refunds/exchanges.

 

You make a good point. Though, i was more referring to the necessity to switch in BIOS, to allow for switchable on battery. Perhaps i presented my statement poorly, sorry.

I'm pleased either way; it allows me to overclock ; recieved a good 20% in Skyrim from the o/c. However, I'm only pleased until the return/exchange begins. They were very kind to me. I received my dv6 on 3/30. They extended the return to 31 days; i told them i wanted to replace it with the dv6-7xxx. Although, i was lied to; the rep who extended the return, did so after telling me the new line was launching that day.

 

Ouch, maybe you can use that for another extension or, as your previous comment implied, you already returned it?

Now, back to the FedEx tracking page and laughing quietly to myself when everytime I google a FedEx shipping notification nothing but Apple forums pop-up.

 

Nvidia's Kepler Architecture: 6 Things You Should Know | PCMag.com

The last thing posted in the website scares me a little going in college for engineering next year. I understand that they sacrificed some of its computing power, but does that mean engineering programs will just be awful with a Kepler or does it just mean that the performance increase didn't scale up like it dd in gaming?

 

well what they said was that the 680 performed worse than the 580 in computing performance... haha since im also going to engineering next year i guess that means we gotta go for amd

amd is the company btw that is pushing for OpenCL vs cuda from Nvidia from what I read on other posts. Apparently Nvidia is trying to create a greater division b/w gamer and pro series because in the past people changed b/w the two through flashing bios's (whats the plural of bios? ) so for right now amd is the way to go... or nvidia quadro!

 

I mean i would just buy the current laptop models if this is true, plus i haven't here of the new amds being released any time soon. Quadro is really expensive too btw

 

there should be amd cards in the envy series, and basically the customizable sagers so far. Yeah i think if you are going to go for Nvidia, then the current cards should be better suited for engineering. I know quadro is expensive haha thats why i mentioned it at the end

 

Ya but i hate how the envy doesn't have a numbpad lol. Well i guess its gonna come down to if the gt 650m will have enough power for college. My hope is that its about the same as the 7690 on the current models. I wish i had a way of testing how it would do in those programs with the 30day refund period.

 

Plus one more thing i guess we aren't considering is if an i7 would negate that that issue.

 

lol the new envy 4/6 might have them who knows (most likely not); as for the i7 idk enough about that but I always planned on getting an i7 so i havent done any research b/w i5 and i7

 

Well, the gt 650m is about 30-40% faster than 7690m.Check the mobile gpu benchmark.As for me,I 'll wait for 7750m.Hope that it's powerful as the list show .

 

I would not worry man. I am going into my 4th year of Computer Engineering at University, and the programs you will most likely use (Solidworks, CAD, NX modelling, Matlab, Pspice, Xilinx) do not require super powerful machines. I have friends with mid end Core 2 Duo / ATI 5470 running these programs fine.

My old system with a P7450 / 9800m gs destroyed 3d modelling programs. If you look at the Luxmark benchmark for 680 VS 580 , the gtx 680 was still 75% of the computing performance of the 580, which would be FAR beyond any of these older systems. (This applies to all keplar GPUs, i have no doubt even the 630 would be more than adequate)

You may find by the time you graduate and are working that you need a more powerful machine, but the way us Comp Enggies like to upgrade... you probably wont own the same laptop by then

Hope this helps. My $0.02

 

Wow thanks alot, that made me feel better, especially because computer engineering is what im going into

Edit: the more I've been reading and of the computers i saw suggested, the cpu were mostly i7 and i5 but the gpu was low to mid-range. I think these will do fine.

 

I've only read the last 5 or so pages diagonally and I couldn't find a release date...

Is there an official release date for the dv6 with ivy bridge in europe?

thanks in advance

 

Beginning of May (no specific date) according to Notebook Italia, that's via an HP Italian product manager. April 23rd now for the U.S., it was supposed to be the 9th but Intel danced around the allowed announce dates.

 

Lenovo Already have Ivy Bridge +Kepler for sale.
Lenovo IdeaPad Y480 2093-4FU Notebook PC - Intel Core i7-3610QM 2.3GHz, 8GB DDR3, 750GB HDD, DVDRW, 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M, 14 Display, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, Gray at TigerDirect.com

Hopefully HP will also have it soon, and with a fair price

 

the new dv6 is already on sale in sweden
HP Pavilion dv6-7010eo 15,6-tums laptop Intel Core i5-processor och klass 2-grafik!

but its the cheap version, when is the one with GT650m supposed to come??

 

It does seem to be the new mosaic design and with the new gpu but unfortunately it still sports the Sandy bridge i5...

I hope the i7 models come out with Ivy Bridge chips.

 

"6990 Swedish kronor = 1 023.46284 Canadian dollars"

Ugh, if that's the cheap one, I'm not sure I want to know what the GT 650M and FHD version is going to cost :\ ... I really need more money....

Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with with the 540/630, and any old Ivy Bridge, even the base one. I really like the look of these new laptops, I would absolutely love to customize one (if only I didn't live in Canada)

 

Wow, if the new DV6s are going to cost THAT much... it would be much better value to buy a new Sager 6165. You get the i5-2450 and gt 650m for $921.48

I hope the trinity refreshes are launched at the same price llano was (500-700 bucks), otherwise it looks like HP most be taking a misstep.

@JTF2 I am also Canadian, and I feel your pain

 

Well, that's in Europe, which usually has a 20-30% tax, right?

 

Deal: HP dv7t Quad Edition for $699 after $550 off Coupon!

Well I have fairly promising news. That website shows that HP is really lowering the price of the older models so the they can empty the shelves for the new pavilions.

Also if you try to customize the 6xxx models, some graphics card options are removed. I'm pretty sure the new ones are just around the corner

 

HP EliteBook 8470p Review - Intel Ivy Bridge Shines

holy crap.

intel HD 4000 is as fast as or faster than an amd 6620g

 

Yes it is faster than Llano APU.

 

The G-series has been rumored to launch at $499. The DV6/DV7 are rumored to launch at $799/$849.

Obviously this doesn't say much about what the default config may be, though.

What I want to know is if I can get a 7750M with Trinity. I asked HP, but they said not only are they not allowed to tell me, but they're not even allowed to know. I guess that's one way to prevent leaks-don't tell your employees anything!

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I thought we already saw leaked benchmarks of HD 4000? And since these are just synthetics, what do games look like? Intel has been very good in the past about having their relative graphics score be far better in synthetics than in actual games, and I don't yet see a reason for that to change.

Also, just a nitpick, but ~10% higher in synthetics doesn't mean much. If you look at HTWingnut's Llano bench thread, he's able to get that high just by switching to better RAM, IIRC.

I really don't mean to Intel bash, and I may be pessimistic based on what I've seen before, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I would never hang my hat on a synthetic, especially 3DMark. Best benchmark is actual games, or benchmarks designed around a specific game. I think HD 4000 will be as good as if not better than the 6620g, and if the Ivy Bridge CPU you're considering supports 1866 RAM, then it should get a definite boost. However, Trinity will likely improve on HD 4000 by 20-30% and apparently supports faster RAM as well, at least 1866.

I'd love a 13" notebook with Trinity and 7730m, backlit keyboard, and 1600x900 matte screen. That would be the perfect laptop for me. In the meantime I think I'll hang my hat on the Clevo W110ER because it's available and real. If that Trinity comes along by HP, Dell, Asus, Clevo, whomever, I'm buying. But I'm a bit underwhelmed by the HP 14" offerings even.

 

What's with you guys and the 13'' / 14'' format? What's their appeal for you? (I'm genuinely curious)

By the way, is it likely this generation will have eGPU capabilities via any internal mini-pcie or something of the sort? It's a real shame they won't have thunderbolt

 

11-12" is just a bit too small, 15" is really 16" and a bit too big. If you already haul around a bunch of crap, I don't want a large 6 or 7lbs laptop in addition to everything. 13" is a great middle ground. If you don't require massive power, why have it bigger than it has to be?

 

yup 14 in in a 13 in frame would be my ideal laptop... if it has good specs of course

 

Man, I just got my dv6tqe today and I'm really loving it, it stays nice and cool, looks great and feels sturdy as a rock. But damn those AMD Drivers

Are the newer DV6's priced reasonably? Maybe HP would be willing to give an exchange, curse me and buying a laptop during a new refresh.

 

21 day return period right?

 

Reports place the new dv6's at around $749-799.

Latest version of the HP Pavilion DV6 and DV7 revealed - Notebookcheck.net News

 

just 5 more days

 

Monday can't come soon enough, that's for sure.

Still, I've been wondering. If the new dv6/7's have the option to have an SSD+HDD (like most of the current models have), how practical would it be in terms of performance?

I am new to the whole laptop scene so please bare with me guys.

 

depending on the programs u put on the ssd including OS, it will greatly speed up bootup times along iwht startup times for other programs like games photoshop etc... it will not increase ur gaming/graphics performance tho thats all dependent on the gpu. Most people buy a small ssd for the crucial programs and then use the HDD for movies and games and other stuff but its all about preference. I think when I buy my laptop, I will also pick up a big ssd so I wont ahve to worry about the 2nd hdd

 

Why yes sir Has anyone here done an exchange with HP? Are they reasonable or should I look for a refund, re-purchase? Those Nvidia cards are the only reason I want one, man I sound like a fanboy

$749 huh, I bet with that craptacular 1366x768 though. 1600x900 or even 1440 x 900 would be preferable for a low end one. Well, I got until, what, the 9th of next month to decide (21 days begins on delivery right?)_

 

Ah, I see. Faster boot/startup times do sound good to me, but not enough to merit getting an SSD, unless they offer a decent sized SSD option. What would you say is a decent SSD size when paired with a HDD?

Also, is there a way to upgrade SSD/HDD's on these laptops? I am guessing there is, but I am wondering how simple it is.

Thanks.

 

i think its fairly simple on the dv series havent done it but i think it is easy. but as for the differnece b/w 7200 rpm and ssd is substantial. and now ssd's are constantly going under 1$/gb. I will prolly buy at .5-.75
/gb depending on when I get my laptop.

here is a link to show u the difference b/w speeds. if you dont wanna go fully ssd the seagate momentus is a good in between option. check it out:

AnandTech - Seagate's Momentus XT Reviewed, Finally a Good Hybrid HDD

as for size, I would get 60-100gb ssd depending on how many programs u use and then a good sized 7200 rpm hdd. keep in mind the os takes up a substantial amount of the ssd

 

Sounds good. I'll have to see what SSD options are offered with the new dv7's then.

Also, I've heard SSD's lack in the longevity department, lasting for about a year before malfunction. Is it widespread or does it depend on the SSD?

 

its prolly better to buy the dv7 with the reg hdd and upgrade later cause its usually cheaper. and as for longevity, that was a problem on earlier versions but I beileve they have gotten much better at that and they will last as long as u need an hdd to last as long as it doesnt fill up all teh way. there are some new features like TRIM and other different composition of memory controllers but thats the extent of my knowledge. u will ahve to look into it if u want to know more.

tl:dr upgrade later after buying with regular hdd (cheaper). ssds nowadays last long enough (not many longevity issues)

 

Makes sense. Hopefully by then I know more about the subject (in addition to knowing how to install an SSD). Thanks for the help.

Now here's another question (if I may). How good will the nVidia Geforce GT 650M (2 GB GDDR5) be for gaming? Specifically, will I be able to run Diablo 3 with ultra/high/modest settings?

Thanks again.

 

Hmm I see.. I take it you have another PC as your main workhorse? I don't know.. never really considered 13inchers: I roomie had one here in Uni and it just felt like a huge waste: it was a vaio with really nice specs but the screen and keyboard, being so small, made it difficult to do much in it. But maybe it's just me: he seemed perfectly happy with it!

Hey Pakii, do you know whats the hybrid Hp's offering in their configurations right now?

By the way, have you guys seen this?

 

I usually carry a 15.6" + 11.6/12.1 inch and have a desktop to boot.

I *do* prefer high resolution screens though, 1080p, but a 13" with 1600x900 would be a great middle ground.

 

Stick to Intel, Samsung, or Crucial and you shouldn't have any problems.

 

I don't have the beta so I'm not 100% sure, but I'm quite certain that the GT 540M can run it on med/high in both 720p and 1080p - this is from doing a lot of reading on the internet (apparently, even the GT 525M can handle D3 on med/high).

I'm almost positive the 650M will handle D3 on highest settings.

 

I don't know much about computers so I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I want a computer for college that can game and has multimedia capabilities. I'm considering the HP ENVY 15 and the DV6.

I like to play games like skyrim that require decent graphics processors so that is what my question is about (I already know pretty much everything else that my computer will have). My question is, which GPU will be better the 650m that this thread claims will be available in the upcoming refresh, the 7750m that is expected to be in the updated ENVY or just in case the ENVY is not updated it's current graphics card, the 7690m?

the laptop will have the an ivy bridge of equivalent or greater power then the i7-2670QM and 8GB RAM. Which computer should I get if I want the more powerful graphics?

Also, is it likely that the DV6 will be out on the 23rd?

 

I'd suggest opening your own WNSIB thread. With some help, you may just change your mind on your two options. There are other laptops out there that will provide more bang for your buck.

 

Yeah that's what I figured through my research. I can run D3 on low settings, 1600x900 resolution, on my dv7-6XXX with a Radeon HD 6490M with an average FPS of 35 and the game still looks good.

Sound good. Can't wait until Monday to see what configurations are available.

Also, I don't have the beta either. I just asked my roommate to let me use his account to see if my current laptop could run it.

 

Glad to hear D3 still looks good on low. If I can run it on low I'll probably be reluctant to spend $ on a new laptop... which is both a good and bad thing, heh. Still keeping on eye on these new dv6's though, especially pricing and some reviews on the chassis & different screens.

 

Well, my settings weren't truly low. They where:

Resolution: Fullscreen 1600 x 900
Vsync: Off
Textures: High
Shadows: Off
Physics: Low
Clutter: Off
AA: Off
Low FX: On

So make of that what you will.

Not to mention that Blizzard has said the full game will run much smoother than the Beta (obviously), so I may even see a FPS increase (unless I have a brand new dv7 by then). But your idea sounds good. I may wait for reviews before I make my purchase. I bought my current laptop without doing any research, and while it's a pretty good laptop, I don't want to do the same mistake twice.