Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread

Why don't the currenty Envy 17's offer blueray burner? Is that some kind of a size/heat/cooling limitation of the design? Are the new ones going to offer blueray burner?

 

Perhaps parts availability? Kinda expecting the SB version to offer the BR burner, though

 

I thought it would be entertaining to list the rumors floating around about the release date of the Sandy Bridge refresh of the Envy 17 and it's 3D cousin. Unfortunately (as you might expect for rumors) I found it very difficult to find the orgin of some. So chime in please, if you can identify the origin of the two rumors below. As the various dates come to pass, or as new information surfaces, I'll update/consolidate accordingly.

By way of background, as of this writing HP officially communicated on january 4 that that the Pavilion dv7 refresh would happen on January 9 (which happened), and that the Envy 17 would be "soon" without giving a release date.

jeff5886 joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information

an unknown source (help please...) postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. this date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion.

an unknown source (help please...) claimed to have inside information regarding a May, 2011 release, but this turned out to be for the Elite book, not the Envy, and for UK and HK only.

Molly athp on Facebook appears to be an HP employee and indicates that the Envy 17 is due to release near the end of February. Assuming Molly atHP is really an hp employee and authorized to say that, this represents the most credible release date estimate to date.

 

not at all. On a 17" diagonal 16:9 display, the visual acuity rule says that the difference between 720p and 1080p is evident from as far away as 5.9 feet for perfect eyes. 5.9 feet is the maximum viewing distance at which the eye can fully resolve 720p, and represents the distance beyond which one cannot distingish between 720p and 1080p.

Moreover, for this same display, one can be as far away as 2.2 feet and still benefit from and fully resolve 1920x1080. Indeed, in order to experience the THX-recommended viewing angle of 36 degrees, one must be 1.9 feet from the screen which means that the difference between 1080 and 720 will be plainly evident.

Go HP keep those 1080p 17" displays coming.

 

just speculation here, but the Envy Optical drives are different ("slot load") from the Pavilions traditional pop-out tray. I can only suggest that when HP sourced the slot-load drives, blu-ray burners were not available, and suspect this will get corrected in the SB refresh

 

I've mentioned it earlier too! I think HP just made a boo boo. The less powerful DV7t give you the option of 3 bluray configs! Crazy!!!! Hope they sort it out for the SB edition.

KJ

 

Nice thinking.... Oh, and I cracked up, ROTFLMFAO regarding your breakdown of the rumors regarding the release of the SB edition of the Envy 17 3D , thanks, I needed a great laugh.

KJ

 

God damn, I can't wait any longer. I need a laptop like 14 days ago. If they confirm it will be end of february, them they've lost me to the competition atleast.

 

where did you see this? I couldnt find the words on facebook.

 

I aim to please lol they are pretty funny when you lay them all side by side. Basically, with the possible exception of the Facebook post, we know nothing!

Its hard to find -- but if you go to the "HP for Students - US" facebook page, the salient text is found burried deep within various comments to wall posts. tough to search for but its doable

I'll post an update here in a second..

 

latest consolidation of SB 17 rumors:

jeff5886 joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information

an unknown source on NBR postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. This date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion.

an unknown source on NBR claimed to have inside information regarding a May, 2011 release, but this turned out to be for the Elite book, not the Envy, and for UK and HK only.

On the “HP for Students –US” facebook page, “Molly Athp”, who appears to be an HP employee, posted that "the Envy 17 is planned to get Sandy Bridge in late Feb.”. Assuming Molly Athp is really an hp employee and authorized to say that, this represents the most credible release date estimate to date – however it's worth noting that Molly Athp also said that the SB Envy 14 isn't due until Sept...

1/19/2011 update: On Tuesday, Jan 18, “Jake At Hpa” posted on the same Facebook page ( Login | Facebook ) that the release date has not yet been released. How entertaining is that? (note: the FB statements I refer to are buried within various comments/responses to certain Wall entries)

 

Tomorrow is the supposed day for this "announcement" right?

Hope its true....I'm getting tired of waiting myself.

 

Well, if we don't hear anything about it tomorrow I won't be surprised.... but, if we don't hear by the 24th as the rumor for its release mentioned..then I will "kindly" give HP and call and ask them to please tell me when the Envy 17 3D SB Edition will be offered for sale! LOL...yeah, I'm sure they will give me a quick answer.

KJ

 

the rumored internal HP sales meeting doesn't occur until 8pm tonight, so we'll need to give some time for the HP informant to risk his job and contact jeff5886 with any inside information beyond what Molly Athp already revealed. We don't know what their relationship is, i.e. whether or not the HP informant might "stop by" to see Jeff5886 on Friday (e.g. at a Best Buy store) or just give him a call later tonight.

 

Are you being serious or just messing with us?

I'm seriously considering just going with the dv7 quad edition if we don't hear anything by or on the 24th.

 

I'm absolutely serious, but hope I didn't imply something un-intended. The information that jeff5886 joined this forum to reveal to us is really not very complete. But from repeated questioning I've gathered that (1) jeff5886 may or may not work for Best Buy (2) he has a personal freind who is an HP sales rep for a local Best Buy, (3) the HP sales rep said there is an internal HP sales team meeting tonite -- that is the 'nationwide conference call' (4) the HP sales rep thinks that the sales team will discuss the Envy 17 tonight and (5) jeff5886 believes the HP sales rep will tell him about it.

now then, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to note that if the HP sales rep says something about the Envy 17 release that HP has not released, then he is risking his job.

It's a myth that there is any sort of announcement tonight from HP, and in my opinion I don't expect anything substantial here that could be used to influence a purchase decision. Somehow this rumor, along with the January 24th date, has taken on a life of its own and folks are leaning on these things as if HP would use these channels of communication to announce availability of the Envy 17 SB. January 24 might be a personal decision point for many, and thats quite understandable, but it has no basis whatever in any factual revelation from HP.

However, just because these rumors are questionable does not make them false. it just makes them questionable and risky to depend on. If something is true, then it is true on its own account no matter who said it -- so if Jeff5886 is more than a troll, and really can obtain some information from the HP sales rep, we should hear about that either late tonight or tommorow. We will just wait and see what transpires. Similarly, because we don't even know the orgin of the January 24th rumor, we'll have to wait until January 25 to see what transpires there.

meanwhile we remind ourselves that "Late February" is still the most credible and believable rumor, spread by a presumed HP employee, Molly Athp

 

Today I received a personal facebook note from Molly Atp indicating that the "late february" date is not official but an estimate. I'm therefore moving this rumor to the "most credible" status, and arranging the list from most to least useful/credible:

On the “HP for Students –US” facebook page, “Molly Athp”, an HP employee, posted that "the Envy 17 is planned to get Sandy Bridge in late Feb.”
1/20/2011 update: Molly Athp has given me a personal Facebook note saying that the "late February" date is not official but is an estimate. in my opinion, this adds to the credibility of this information

jeff5886 joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information.

an unknown source on NBR postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. This date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion.

an unknown source on NBR claimed to have inside information regarding a May, 2011 release, but this turned out to be for the Elite book, not the Envy, and for UK and HK only.

 

Hi guys

This one is really for anyone from the UK waiting to hear about the Envy refresh. I've been anticipating the Envy refresh ever since I read the US News Release on 4th January, and have been reading the forums here in anticipation of any updates. Well I'm not the most patient of people so I posed the question to HP about the refresh. I quoted the HP Newsroom announcment of January 4th and in particular, the pricing and availability "The updated HP ENVY 17 is expected to be available soon with pricing to be determined.".

Given that this news is from the US, I wanted to see what the crux was regarding a refresh of UK Envys. I stated I'd be a bit unhappy if I bought an Envy now and HP decided to release a UK refresh in the next few weeks/months.

Here's the response I got,

"HP Store UK have no plans to offer any refreshed/updated versions of the Envy in the immediate future. This is still a relatively new product within UK.

We cannot comment on the cycles the US have plans for, however they do tend to be more advanced in trialing newer products as they have the market place to allow that.

It would be a very safe assumption that no upgraded versions of the Envy 17 would be available in the UK in the coming weeks or months.

Best regards
HPUK&I Team"

Looks like us UK guys are going to have to wait it out

Andy

 

Andy, then the "may" rumor associated with the elite books for UK an HK appears to be consistent with your research. thanks for sharing

 

yes you're probably right dlleno, they don't give much away do they. I'm still tempted by an Envy 17 3D, however I still have a feeling HP will bring out a UK refresh in the next 6 months or so, given that other market players are jumping/have already jumped on the 3D band wagon. Sony have their 3D Vaio out soon I think along with Alienware, Acer, LG, Asus etc.

The only thing that is stopping me is that when the refresh comes out, I'd definately want it as it ticks all the right boxes with regards to performance upgrades. I'd feel I hadn't got anywhere close to my moneys worth out of the Envy 3D I'd already have in my posession.

I'd go for an Alienware but not keen on the chasis. I luuuuuuurrrrrrveeeee the Envy's though

 

Well, with the delay in releasing the Envy 17, they have lost a customer.

I have decided that I'm going to build a new gaming desktop for much less than an Envy 17 would have cost me... and be able to do so much more... muhahahah muahahaha

Okay enough evil laughter.

My build is going to be:

I5 2500k
Asus p8p67 pro mobo
Antec three hundred illusion case
Antec neo eco 620 PSU
A-Data DDR 3 1600 ram (4GB for now)
EVGA gtx 570

Undecided on CPU cooler...

It's going to be a nice build

I'm also getting mafia 2, just cause 2 and Civilization 5 free as part of the package.

 

+1 andy this the approach that appears to be missing from this thread -- that of just good common sense. somebody pulls a date out of the air or makes some claim and all of a sudden we have a rumor that takes on a life of its own. If we would just consider what we know, and apply good sense, we can come to some more reasonable conclusions, it seems to me, such as the one you just offered. Accepting (as credible but not with proof) that the SB Envy 17 will hit the (US) streets in late February, I can't imagine HP waiting many more months to propagate the new stuff throughout the non-US markets.

I guess I'll update the rumor list one more time and then see if anything else emerges during the weekend. Note that I've dropped the Elite book UK comments from my list because this thread is about the Envy and we have more direct and credible information regarding the Envy in the UK. Definitions are:

credible: the information makes sense and the source appears credible
not credible: the information is inconsistent, no references have been cited, and/or the source has not demonstrated credibility
busted: The weight of evidence indicates that the information is false


“Molly Athp”, an HP employee, posted on the “HP for Students –US” facebook page that "the Envy 17 is planned to get Sandy Bridge in late Feb.” Later, she gave me me a personal Facebook note saying that the "late February" date is not official but is an estimate. in my opinion, this adds to the credibility of a "late February" release, at least for the U.S. status = credible

NBR member andyguk has learned from the HP Store UK that they do not expect an SB refresh "within the coming weeks or months". and also mentioned that the U.S market is "more advanced in trialing newer products". The implication here is that some countries may lag the U.S. in new product intros and that the non-US countries may in fact be later than February. status = credible

jeff5886, a source quickly loosing credibility for lack of information, joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information. As of Friday afternoon 1/21 we have nothing new. status: not credible. Unless more useful info comes in this weekend this will move to "busted"

an unknown source on NBR postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. This date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion. status=not credible

 

I've been waiting also, so I found this link, called, and reserved my Envy 17 3D SB. The guy wouldn't give me any info concerning the release date, but will call or send an e-mail as soon as they are available
http://www.shopping.hp.com/go/newfromhp?jumpid=in_r329_ad_homepage/bottom/2

 

revkight, how about the price when you reserved it?

 

that page has been up since ces 2011, they say the same thing also, take ur number call you when its available. And it will be available "SOON". I gave up on waiting

 

me too. I gave up. I ordered the new alienware m17xr3. when the updated envy comes out i will take a look at it and if i like it i'll have the option to sell my alienware and get it. i need something a little slimmer and more professional looking than the alienware but if HP doesnt get the heat issue sorted out they'll likely lose me as a customer forever, much the way Toshiba did.

 

I know what you mean. No price, no date. I may look at the Acer Aspire AS8950G Intel i7-2630QM with 18.4" HD screen if it comes out first...already out in other countries (outside the U.S.).

 

This no-info bull from HP is getting old. They'll lose a lot of customers since the competitors are faster out with their updated high end laptops.
Even Sony gave a date for their 3D SB laptop straight away. (February 7th)

 

See the above highlighted section. This is what I don't get. How can they say the US is more advanced in bringing newer products out? You have to remember, the Envy 17 3D was NEVER BUILT IN THE USA!!!!! IT WAS BUILT IN CHINA!! China ships it to the USA... So....Why can't China ship it to the UK.... My God!!!@@$#% We should all realize we live in a very small World. How is it a plane can fly with a laptop to the USA and not fly to the UK? Its just absurd to me. Anyone agree? Every nook and cranny in the World should be able to order and receive thier Envy 17 3D laptop from China at the same bloody time.... sorry, that was my rant, but I am right.

KJ

 

Here's an idea, why doesn't somebody just email David Conrad, he's the Director of Product Marketing at HP for the Envy line of laptops. His email address is [email protected]

Ask him when we'll receive some news. Get the info straight from the horses mouth. I won't post his telephone number for obvious reasons.

 

but Envy 14&17 series aren't sold in China either

 

Ok, that goes to prove my point even more!~~~ How crazy is that? What is the logic that in China the citizens can't order the Envy 17 3D? What gives?

KJ

 

In china the price get jacked up too much. I was talking to one of my old friend in china and he said he bought an alienware m17x r2. When I asked about the spec, I was given the basic config of the m17x r2. And when I asked what he paid for he said he paid 25000 rmb(chinese currency) for it, which in USD would be somewhere around 3700. Where in US the basic model is only about 1900. The consumer market would be too small if they released the laptop in China id think. (who'd pay 3700USD for basic model m17x r2 even in US?)

 

There is some indication that the M17XR3s are about to start shipping this coming week. That means the parts are probably not the issue for the Envy 17 SB.

 

I'm guessing jeff didn't really know anything....

Oh well lets just wait for the 24th. If nothing happens then I'm calling/emailing. This is starting to get ridiculous....

 

Will there be another more of SB Quad-Core processors coming this year? Or just dual cores?

 

I'm no expert at all nor an international business but what little i do know is there are many reasons why they wouldn't sell to different countries. Trade laws, tariffs, non-tariff barriers, gov't regulations, hostile takeovers, distribution, taxes, import quotas, risk vs profit, dealing w/ more than one country's laws can be enough in itself... The list is endless. Although non of these could be the reason they make that decision i'm sure they have something to do with it for a company as big as hp to not make more profit.

 

Well, to be fair the quotation you refered to did not specifically state that the U.S. as a country was more advanced (as in faster or superior) in bringing new products out. what they said essentially was that HP marketing believes that sometimes it is best for hp to introduce new technology to the U.S. market first. in other words, sometimes HP just decides to sell in the U.S. first.

its not uncommon for mfgs to release products in different regions at different times, and this has nothing to do with the country where the mfg line happens to be. localization and compliance with local country law is complex. More than just a localized/translated OS (which comes from Microsoft), but all the drivers, end user license agreements, associated documentation etc. not to mention the bloatware shipped from the factory (and it's localization, data export rules, and UI) all have to be localized and compliant with local law. So-- someone in Beijing speaking Simplified Chinese might not be able to use an English localized machine coming off the assembly line, assuming it would even be legal to sell it there. Thus, imho the U.S. English localized products that roll off of that assembly line are likely to be legally constrained for shipment to the U.S. -- they head straight for the airplane, not to a local retailer. So if HP's marketing team decides to introduce the SB Envy to the U.S. first thats their decision. For all we know they are already working on Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Arabic, Hebrew, and Hindi. Beyond U.S English, there is English but localized to Australia, Canada, UK, Singapore, India, and perhaps the Philipines and South Africa for all I know. There a great many German-speaking people that live in the country of Switzerland, French-speaking people in Canada, Portuguese-speaking Brazillians, etc. etc. etc.

Things from power cords to the stickers they place on the underside, to replacement parts availabililty and on-line support documentation, as well as the printed materials placed in the box all have to be both localized to the country of destination and translated to the right language. to the extent that those things originate first in U.S. English, and then have to be translated/localized later, its not that surprising that HP would choose to introduce in the U.S. first.

 

Latest rumor roundup:

please let me know if you want these summaries to continue or to stop.

As of this morning, the U.S. based HP Sales call center is still without any updated information on SB Envy 17 release date, according to a sales supervisor there.

With no information from Jeff5886 over the weekend, the "january 20 nation wide teleconference" rumor is now listed as "busted" because we know that there was no announcement on January 20, nor was any useful (public) information released.

An interesting teaser comes from emoneydaily.com, who reported on January 17 that, along with the WEbOS announcement in early February, HP would "also bring out other innovative initiatives and devices" Thats so vaugue I won't even comment, except to say lets wait for the February WebOS event. But I guess one could start a rumor that SB Envy release dates might be announced then. The good news is that early February is next week. http://www.emoneydaily.com/weekly-news-roundup-hewlett-packard-co-nysehpq-15/6987500


Here's the list:

credible: the information makes sense and the source appears credible
not credible: the information is inconsistent, no references have been cited, and/or the source has not demonstrated credibility
busted: The weight of evidence indicates that the information is false


“Molly Athp” , an HP employee, posted on the “HP for Students –US” facebook page that "the Envy 17 is planned to get Sandy Bridge in late Feb.” Later, she gave me me a personal Facebook note saying that the "late February" date is not official but is an estimate. in my opinion, this adds to the credibility of a "late February" release, at least for the U.S. status = credible

NBR member andyguk has learned from the HP Store UK that they do not expect an SB refresh "within the coming weeks or months". and also mentioned that the U.S market is "more advanced in trialing newer products". The implication here is that some countries may lag the U.S. in new product intros and that the non-US countries may in fact be later than February. status = credible

an unknown source on NBR postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. This date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion. status=not credible and will move to "busted" status tomorrow if nothing new comes in today.

jeff5886, a source quickly loosing credibility for lack of information, joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information. As of Monday 1/24 we have nothing new. status: busted.

 

My Status = Devastated....

Will tune in for further updates...thanks for the summary dlleno

 

I laugh and cry...same here. Yes dlleno, please continue with updates as this thread is specifically made for those of us who are waiting for any possible news of the Envy 17 3D release date, so its much appreciated. ...oh and entertaining.

Ok, so now we wait for either tonight, or tomorrow to hear about the news that was due today regarding the Envy 17 3D.... tick tock..tick....

KJ

 

You really think he would reply to those. He will our e-mails as spam. If I ever needed to talk to corporate I will take to the new big-bad CEO.

 

amazon has envy 17 for only 1200, almost 700 cheaper than HP website, should I just grab that one.... since my envy 14 might be cancelled

 

they must be unloading those fast. if it were not for the heat problem I'd spring for one myself. its just that poorly-managed heat in a big 17" laptop capable of moderate gaming, well .. YMMV

 

I returned my Envy 17 a few weeks ago anticipating buying the new one with SB. Well the days are passing and no word from HP regarding the thing. My enthusiasm is slowly dying out. Im starting to care less and less and looking at this site fewer times a week. Its now late January with Spring around the corner. So Im most likely going to take the money I was gonna put toward the laptop and buy a motorcycle. =)

 

now that is funny. Maybe HP is waiting for the gaming kids to loose enthusiam and go buy motorcycles -- or something that looks like Darth Vader.

 

Ok, I kept my word.... Since we received no word from HP either "official" or "unofficial" regarding the very highly anticipated release of the Sandy Bridge edition of the Envy 17 3D.... I did call HP myself just 5 minutes ago!

I called them at the number from the reservation webpage.... Link below.

HP® Official Store —Buy HP Laptops, Notebook PCs, Printers, Desktop Computers, Handhelds, Scanners, Monitors, and Calculators direct from HP

Phone >>>> 1-800-230-5752 Call this number to reserve your Envy 17 3D SB edition. Of course this is not a purchase, just give them your name, email...etc.. to be notified.

The nice lady rep who answered did not know much about this process....so she found out she can call me herself she stated and/or watch my email.

I asked her straight out saying many of us are waiting for this refresh to come out, could you please check and let me know when its gonna happen? She put me on hold a couple minutes....came back and said.... maybe a week or two.... Guys, just letting you know...as we all experienced the reps and other salespeople at HP state something does not mean its gonna happen...so, just keep an open mind... the 1 or 2 weeks may mean nothing...or maybe it will happen! Oh, and she tried to sell me some ink and printers too, LMFAO!

Am I optimistic? Yes! Why? Look at the reservation page again! Look how many systems previously awaiting release are now available for sale!
Out of 12 new systems only 4 have yet to be released...and two of those are the Envy 17/3D SB editions...so its bound to happen soon. I hope.

KJ

 

Why call to reserve, why don't they just let us build the system to reserve it? Crazy HP.

 

Apoxxx, lol, true true, but realize they can't really do that if they haven't at least released the "specs & options" available to customize our Envy..... So yeah, sucks....

Anyway, as I mentioned above, only 4 out of 12 systems left to be released from the new line up. If its not going to be in the next week or 2, it will be very soon. I feel the latest will be the rumored late Feb. date, hopefully sooner... I can wait... I can wait...yes, I can wait... HURRY HP!

KJ

 

finally HP website rolled out the $300 coupon for envy 17/3D series~