Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread

Huh really? Where? Please...lol on their site? I'm gonna check it out.


Edit, googled it, and found it! I read it here before too..duh.. anyway, here it is for anyone interested>>>> NBSAVE300C

KJ

 

I found them here:
HP Coupons and HP Laptop Deals from LogicBUY

 

FYI I just called the # provided by killa Joe and the idiot HP rep told me expects it "soon". So I asked him when he says soon does he mean months or weeks? And he said "more like weeks" and that I'll have to be "patient" like everyone else....and that he had no solid date.

Screw him. I firmly believe that they all know....

 

LMFAO... well, yeah, like my rep said, 1 or 2 weeks. Plus given the new $300 coupon for the Envy 17 and Envy 17 3D regular edition if you want to order now, just let's us know that HP is trying to get rid of the old processor just before roll out!!! Woot.. Keep hope alive...

KJ

 

Well, somebody knows, lol. When I talk to the U.S. based call center (sometimes you get connected to something else. call overflow I presume) I come away convinced that the Sales people really don't know. they check with their supervisors and every time comes the same answer (we've not been given a date), and they proceed to give their opinon.

I do find it fascinating that HP puts the teaser up there on the web site when there has been no real change or release date announcement. But this is good knews, to be sure; at least we know someone at HP is alive . I sure can't wait to see this advanced cooling, and hope it delivers. I just don't think I could be seen with a laptop that says "I live in a virtual world of war and gore".

As much as I think we're still looking at "late February" I suspect and hope that we won't need to wait until then to find out. At least on January 4 HP announced the Dv7s were coming on January 9 and that was spot on. So my read is that when HP's mfg lines are ready, and the website is built and ready to go, they will announce a date, perhaps within two weeks of actual launch.

 

Ok, predictions! I say given the site above and what the reps say....I'll add a few more days to the 2 weeks deal...and say about Feb. 15th the latest!!!! So I expect to hear something about the Envy 17 3D SB edition release before Feb. 15th!

KJ

 

I like it (and hoping for the 14th lol ). In addition, I'll suggest that availabililty could begin over the following weekend much like the Dv7-quad appearance (recall that they appeared during weekend following HP's announcement). So -- , retail outlets might start to show availability by the 18'th, (with possible SKU number inventory leaks before that) and the HP website should allow configurable orders by sunday Feb 20.

That should be a fun one to track via the rumor roundup too

 

news as of Tuesday morning 1/25

The January 24 rumor is busted, given that its January 25 and we have no info, lol. The Jeff5886 rumor also remains busted -- I'll leave it as an excersize for the reader to figure out if there ever was an HP rep buddy informant or if there was, why he suddenly went dark side of the moon

Killa joe and dlleno collectively speculate that we could hear from HP on or before 2/15 with product availability occuring over the following weekend 2/18-20.


Here's the list:

credible: the information makes sense and the source appears credible
not credible: the information is inconsistent, no references have been cited, and/or the source has not demonstrated credibility
busted: The weight of evidence indicates that the information is false


“Molly Athp” , an HP employee, posted on the “HP for Students –US” facebook page that "the Envy 17 is planned to get Sandy Bridge in late Feb.” Later, she gave me me a personal Facebook note saying that the "late February" date is not official but is an estimate. in my opinion, this adds to the credibility of a "late February" release, at least for the U.S. status = credible

NBR member andyguk has learned from the HP Store UK that they do not expect an SB refresh "within the coming weeks or months". and also mentioned that the U.S market is "more advanced in trialing newer products". The implication here is that some countries may lag the U.S. in new product intros and that the non-US countries may in fact be later than February. status = credible

dlleno and Kill Joe have suggested, based on the strength of comments from Molly Athp, those coming from the HP Sales call center, and based on how the Dv7t-quad was introduced, that we should hear from HP on or before 2/15 and that products could be available in some retail stores by the following weekend and available for online order by January 20. status=credible

an unknown source on NBR postulated that HP would make an announcement on January 24 and even promised to order a Dell if there was no HP announcement by this date. This date seemed to catch popularity but has no basis other than someone's opinion. status=busted

jeff5886 joined the forums to tell us that he has a friend who is an HP sales rep -- who tells of an HP internal sales team conference call on Thursday January 20 8pm (no time zone given), and promises to give Jeff5886 any new information. status: busted.

 

Lol....alright given that it's Jan 25 and were like a week from February I'm willing to wait till the 14th for news on this approaching mythical status SB Envy 17.

And I hope when they refresh it that there is not much difference between the 17 and 17D as seems to be the current situation. I have no need for watching 3D on a laptop. I just want a laptop that can play blurays without causing the temps to reach volcano levels....

 

no 3D for me either, and I dont want my laptop to look like it belongs on another planet. What are the essential 17/17D differences that are troubling you today?

 

HA! Is that a little jab at Alxxnwxre? Like how I intentionally x'd out some letters? I tell you, this forum, and this thread helps keep me in a good mood while I wait for the "mythical" SB edition of the Envy 17/3D as TheAtreidesHawk called it... brilliant!


KJ

 

yes the entertainment value of this thread is pretty high! and yea to each his own: if one likes typing on Darth Vader and really admires war and gore that much, well, ok then advertize it . The Alien's have a great market following and are a pile of fun I'm sure -- its just entertaining to me to note that the two products are so astonighingly different in style and market thrust, and yet they are so often compared on the basis of technical specs.

 

I'm also quite curious to see how they price the 3D flavor versus the standard. Today, a fully loaded custom envy 17 is the same price ($2034.99 no coupon) as it's 3D cousin, and the latter includes blu-ray player and 3D display.

 

Lol dlleno. The Envy laptops all look amazing as far as design. No offense to any alienware fanboys out there but I'd rather just go without technology than call that monstrosity my personal computer.

 

Well it is better than the other gaming laptops in the category in looks. The G73 is simply ugly and the MSI's are beyond atrocious in style.

 

Have yet to see pics of those but will take your word for it haha.

This refresh better be the best thing since sliced bread as far as performance goes...that means battery life and heat issues. I want to hear little to nothing about them.

 

I must be honest, this thread has lost alot of it's luster. I'll just turn off for a couple weeks and revisit the SB Envy question towards the end of Feb.

 

err I've just been reading the Envy 17 & 17 3D thread and this guys says he was playing with an Envy 17 3D refresh at his Microsoft store 2 days ago

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/484905-official-hp-envy-17-17-3d-owners-lounge-189.html#post7090946

interesting

 

hmm then he goes on to say he may have been confused as to what they said. Ahhh this speculation stuff is making me go crazy

I'll come back in the Summer and see what's going on

 

I can only assume that the lost lustre is due to busted rumors in the face of unwarranted enthusiasm powered by optimistic speculation around release dates and/or announcements that did not happen, contrary to unsubstantiated opinion.

 

Well, I'll be honest too....I don't think this thread ever had luster or ever intended to have it. Simply put, this is the "Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread".... which in itself implies the wait.... the long, agonizing, unpredictable course we have engaged in here.

Yes, its no fun, but at least those of us who are interested in the Envy 17 3D SB edition can comunicate and keep eachother "busy" until HP finally releases the "Mytical" laptop.

KJ

 

Just got off the phone with Mary from HP Sales, I asked about the new SB Envy and she said the Envy was not on a list she had received yesterday about new products coming out in the months of February and March. Then she put me on hold to verify and a minute later she came back and confirmed that no Envy products were coming out in Feb/March.

WOOT SB ENVY COMING IN APRIL!

 

well, that doesn't necesssarily mean it won't come in February -- arguments stemming from an absence of information are not as strong, and we've seen that front-line sales reps typically do not have the most accurate information. but this is interesting; we'll have to see if evidence for "April" continues to strengthen or not.

 

April is a dealbreaker for me. It's either february or I'll go Sony Vaio, and never even look at HP again.
The design ain't so important that I'll sit around for months waiting for HP to pull their heads out of their behinds.

 

Yeah.... and I make it a personal choice to refuse this new April date... her info is just as iffy as any other rep as you mentioned dlleno.

I just wish the sales reps would get some kind of direct line to the people that are REALLY in charge of the release of the Envy 17 3D SB edition.... who is that person/people? They need to give a SOLID answer to the sales team.

Anyway, not to rant too much here, just pointing once more, only 4 items left in HP's new line up for release. so.....April is way way too far out there. I will stick with Feb. 15th or earlier as my previous prediction, and I'll stand on that.

KJ

 

I think what we're missing here is that HPs head is exactly where they want it to be. They have a plan; Barring some serious mfg problem, they are in control, they know the release date, and they are carrying it out. They planned to tease us last January 4, and they plan to continue withholding information as long they believe it is in their best financial interest to do so. For these and other reasons, I find it amusing that folks are accusing HP of "delay". There's no delay folks; we're just frustrated because we can't devine HP's plans. You don't become the worlds largest PC mfg without knowing how to manipulate the market.

 

Well, teasing or not, their plan ain't working on me atleast. The new 3D Vaio is available for order on February 6th, if no more Envy 3D info is available by then, I'll go Sony.

 

I'm sure HP plans on missing a few customers, but the good news is that you can vote with your checkbook and get what you want when you want it and those who aren't distracted by Alien or Vaio's intros are the most likely to be more loyal to Envy anyway, and HP probably wants that. For all we know this waiting period is designed to shake down the ones who most easily tire of it, and and get a Vaio or an Alien. or a motorcycle

 

oh wow Feb 6 is coming soon! cool

 

Yeah I know, it doesn't make any difference to or from if I and a few others can't wait for it, HP is a huge company and they can afford to do whatever they like.

Just saying anyway, their competitors are pushing out SB laptops as we speak, which can't be too good for HP business can it?

 

well, its interesting indeed to consider why HP has chosen to be so secretive about this when others are making announcments and shipping product. you could be right to suggest that HP's intro plans might have missed a market opportunity that Dell and Sony are already taking advantage of. So I dunno -- it could be that when HP planned the SB refresh they didn't hit the market sweet spot. or maybe they did according to their own objectives and measurements

 

I feel dlleno is onto something. Either dlleno is right and HP knows when they will release the Envy 17 3D SB edition...or I'd like to pose another theory.... Perhaps, just perhaps, HP is waiting on Alienware, and others to send out their SB editions/3D versions and is looking at what components they have in them, and thus HP can better decide what they actually want to offer the consumer as to choices. Not sure if they will, but things like another GPU choice other than the HD 6850, maybe an HD 6870 or the 6970? (most likely kidding of course, ha!) Maybe a bluray burner like they offered in the DV7t editions?

I have no clue.... but like the rest of you guys, I'm very antsy, and excited at the same time..... as I am one of the first like some of you whom had a chance to play with the original Envy 17 3D and really enjoyed it...so yeah, I'm still loyal... Bring it HP!

KJ

 

Hey does sony have SB in their 17 inch vaio line or not yet?

Also HP be the "#1 computer manufacturer" but they are probably also #1 in terms of consumer hatred....or maybe tied with Dell I dunno for sure. All I know is that HP is pissing me off with these games of theirs. Why is it so hard to get a freaking STRAIGHT answer from them?

And I'm currently looking into sony...as much I loathe the company and swore never to buy anything from them again (ps3, hdtvs, laptops you name it) I'm frankly sick and disgusted with HP at the moment. The customer service is just horrible.

 

I purchased an HP Envy 17 3D in December 2010, and it was delivered December 31st. I never did get the 3D feature to work, so I returned it to HP this week. One of their sales reps called me to ask if I would order a replacement, which is something I plan to do. I asked him about the Sandy Bridge HP Envy 17 3D availability date. He put me on hold for a moment, and then told me I could order a new SB Envy 17 3D as of February 27th. He's been very helpful and a straight shooter, and has called me several times since to let me know the returned laptop was received, and again later to tell me my credit card has been credited. He said he has calendared 2/27 to call me to personally take my order for the new SB Envy.

 

Assuming you're not full of it that date is ridiculous. A full month? They honestly expect people to wait that long?

But whatever. If you're telling the truth thanks for the heads up but to be honest I choose not to believe you for the time being.

 

wow!!! that's exciting!

 

Wow is all I can say! Seriously? If this sales rep is real....I just don't know. He seems like he knows what he is saying just by giving you an EXACT DATE OF FEB. 27!!! He plans on calling you to take your order..uhm, are these sales reps really getting such a high commission that he is willing to cater to you as your personal order/sales buddy? Lol, no disrespect to him, but wow, sounds too good to be true.

dlleno, you should add this to your "list" LMFAO! Anyway, this does seem to correlate to the late Feb. rumor..so time moves on...

KJ

 

I've been keeping up with this thread for a while as a lurker, and the info/entertainment value is awesome haha...

Kind of reminds me of waiting for Froyo on Android but I digress...

I too am extremely interested and ready to pull the trigger once the HP Envy 17 with SB comes out. Not sure if I want to necessarily be a "first day" early adopter, however the pressure to do so is getting a bit overwhelming.

You guys seem to be on the same page...yes?

 

Well, I have nothing to lose, so I'm gonna play along with what timcfox mentioned about the Feb. 27th date and call HP tomorrow when I get sometime, and see if they can confirm what their fellow sales rep at HP stated! Hahah, this should be fun!

I wonder if they will confirm, or say, sir, that sales rep was pulling timcfox's leg. Still, it should be fun, informative, and no harm done. In fact, it would be nice to see if some of you guys will call in to HP and ask about the Feb. 27th date...Oh boy, HP will have a field day.

KJ

 

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Only 16 inch, but it's looking like a sweet notebook, and most important of all: it has a set date, and have had one since unveiled at CES2011, which is a nice thing compared to the crap HP is pulling here.

 

I assume this one will have SB, but what is the Nvidia GPU used for this one? Other specs?

 

Graphics/video memory: Nvidia GeForce GT540M/1GB

 

How comparable to the AMD Radeon 6850/70 that the Envy is supposed to have is that one?

Anybody's thoughts about preference between AMD Radeon and Nvidia GeForce for these newer laptops "soon" to be (mythically) released in regards to performance, whether 3D or otherwise in general?

 

The 6850 is far ahead of it. Even if it is noticeably downclocked.

 

Thx vairules...

Would you say the 6850 is far ahead of it as far as 3D, gaming, performance (blu-ray/Flash), graphics (Photoshop etc)...or just in general all around? Sorry maybe more of a specific question than you are wanting to answer, no need for "deep down" research, but if you have a simple answer that will do.

I'm debating between the refreshed HP Envy 17 (maybe 3D, haven't decided since so far it's more of a novelty than anything else) and the Sager/Clevo NP5170. Looking to keep this laptop more than likely at least 3 years so attempting to semi-future proof it a bit.

Anyone else as well, chime in if you can provide a thing or two...

 

Far ahead would be exaggerating, they're pretty close by the looks of it.

 

lol? GT540M vs 6850M ?
If you call 50% improvement pretty close...

 

The sony vaio looks sorta nice but a little bulky too. But its nice to know its a real option at least. Design wise its got some striking features. I hope those buttons towards the bottom of the palm rest on the left are not touch sensitive. That would be an awful place to have them....

 

Don't know where you get 50% from, cause on notebookcheck.net the two cards come in pretty close, with the edge to 5850 in some tests.
(still no 6850 tests there, but seeing as it's a rebranded 5850 it will only be marginally faster)

 

Don't go by Notebook check's values.

Yes, there have been great strides in the midrange section, but the 5850m is truly a beastly mobile card, and significantly beats both the 540m and AMD's new midrange offerings (6570) as well in all performance respects. The 6850 should have identical performance, at the very least. Paired with a 2720qm, the performance should be excellent, for a laptop.