Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread

What's the delay on this thing? Lenovo, Sony, Dell, Apple (to name a few) have already announced their future SB NB's. Is there any mention of a 14" refresh?

 

I quite agree nMik-3; thats what I was trying to say, perhaps not very well . I still suspect the DV will not include the 1080 display. thats an expensive panel and imho will continue to be a differentiator betweeen the DV and the Envy

 

Well, I for one will be paying close attention to this issue. Sure I want the SB Envy 17 3D....but if it does come out, when? 2012? So if the SB DVs will have 1080 displays I will prob. turn my eyes/head in that direction.... I'm not willing to wait years and years (yeah I know I'm just playin ), but everyone's patience runs out eventually. Life goes on.... CES 2012 will be here sooner than later....Ivy Bridge will be here sooner than later....etc....

HP seriously has to give us a seriously wow for the buck if the Envy 17 3D SB is coming out in the next month or two....because people might just wait again for the Ivy Bridge.....

I digress, so yeah, for me the 1080p is imortant, like Radiance was for the Envy 14 people (and yeah, I felt bad for you guys in that fiasco esp. lovelaptops best of luck )..... I would have to think about letting the HDMI 1.4 and 3D go to the wayside if thats the case....but I'm still here, still holding on with what little patience that I have...

Once more, I will call HP on the 27th...why that date? Lol, maybe its more symbolic, but its just what the rumor mill has going on here...plus an HP sales rep has promised to call a member to take their "order" for the Envy 17 SB edition on Feb. 27th, well, let's see if that materializes....

What can I say? Good luck everyone, glad you guys are here to help me through this nonsense.... If I can be of help, let me know.

P.S. I can't help but wonder how this "Waiting for Envy 17...." thread will resolve. Only time will tell.....

KJ

 

+1 Killa. 1080p itself isn't as important to me as the .72 color gamut, but those tend to go together. I'm with you if such a display ends up on the DV then I'm headed there too

HDMI 1.4 is an interesting bird, as its not just about 3D. it includes an internet data connection as well, so that the attached device does not have to have a separate ethernet connection to the internet. So -- and this is speculative -- but we could see HDMI 1.4 on the DV, even without 3D.

and about that Feb 27th date - yea after this weekend I think I'l be busting that rumor. Alas, the chatter has all but dried up, and we just don't have any more credible rumors to poke at!

oh- and serious wow from HP would be way cool indeed

 

Ohhhh, dlleno, right...I haven't been thinking about the color gamut. Sure that is important to me too, and hope that the 1080p and the .72 gamut do go hand in hand.

As to the HDMI 1.4....I don't mind if the DV7 won't have it as long as the 1080p and color gamut are there. I've already heard/seen devices that you can simply connect to the USB or whatever port on your laptop and have them wirelessly display on that nice HDTV you have in the living room. So...there are work arounds.

KJ

 

agreed -- I wouldn't insist on 1.4 for just the internet lol now you've got me wishing for 1080p on the DV too

 

How do you guys know what the gamut is? Is that stuff even mentioned on HP's website cuz while I've heard the term before I've never seen it used on the various laptop descriptions....

 

Yea I've never found it in any of the sales descriptions either. I get it by downloading the Envy 17 maintenance and service guide from the HP support site which contains all kinds of fun data. For example:

17.3-inch WVA FHD, LED AntiGlare display: number of colors = up to 16.8 million colors, 72% color gamut. yay!

17.3-inch SVA HD+ LED AntiGlare display: number of colors = up to 16.8 million 45-60% color gamut. boo!!!

The support info out there is quite good, and well organized to boot. for example, here is the support page for the Envy 17 CTO. (Configure To Order)

 

Is this light peak (thunderbolt port) one more thing to wait for in the Envy 17 SB 3D notebook?

I would think it probably won’t be added until the fall 2011 version or maybe early 2012 version or later

 

just a weird thought, I noticed that the new dv series is coming out on FEB 27 which is the rumored date of the envy series before. And the previous SB version of dv7 and dv6 is taken down the site since intel found the processor problem. Could it be that HP DID in fact merge dv and envy. So that they sacrifice the high end line and go with a mainstream line but with more high end design and spec to satisfy the majority. I mean, most people still buy main stream laptops under 1000 bucks where the big market is. And the new release page for ces 2011 is no longer found anywhere now, and I recall there was the rumor of national hp meetings maybe some decision was made to act to the yearly lost? Maybe its just me bored and liking conspiracy theory. we shall see

 

interesting date -- do you know where it came from? other than one switchable graphics driver for the new DV6 and 7 I can't find any other drivers out there, and I'd expect several to be there by launch.

no kidding this is just too wierd - esp considering that the SB Envy 17 teaser page also dissapeared. I'm just not quite ready to suggest that HP would drop the Envy line. What seems more likely to me is that they pushed the SB Envy release(s) out or even skipped the previously-announced release altogether. It is quite amusing to me that we have a new dv7 and dv6 "reserve one now" teaser page sporting all kinds of envy-like goodies, but no SB Envy teaser. So clearly HP is pushing the mainstream dv series right now. Maybe after they launch this, we will see a SB Envy teaser again! Otherwise there will be no new 1080p or 3D solutions!

I dunno noodle maybe you are right and they are just flushing out existing inventory. either that or they ramped production back up to fill the demand until a viable Sandy Bridge Envy product is released. to me, the delay means they are either discontinuing the Envy, or pushing it further into the 3D/gaming world to maintain the gap between it and the DV, and I tend to favor the latte.r

. They certainly burried it deep in that horrible "newsroom" UI, but it's still there

lol that was an amusing rumor wasn't it. this jeff guy joined the forum to tell us he has an HP rep budy who spoke of a national "conference call", but it was all a hoax

 

Dell XPS17 3D is available for order. Gonna do something about this HP?

 

Apoxxx I do believe you have just highlighted why HP pulled the SB Envy from releasing this month: this XPS17 is an Envy killer, and HP has to push the envelope again to compete. The january 4 announcment does not imply anything about 16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD, or blu-ray writer, all of which Dell has included.

Maybe the envy 17 is being delayed until these goodies can be accomodated?

 

OHHH!!! I will have to take a look at this XPS17 as soon as I click submit this post. No worries...I don't plan on jumping ship right now.....not until I get a clear answer from HP sooner than later... Hear that HP? Yeah, I'm talking to you....

P.S. This is an interesting notion though as to why HP possibly pulled the release of the Envy 17 3D SB edition..... hopefully to soup it up rather than eliminate it all together. Plus with the financial problems HP is experiencing right now sure does not help them, but boy is it a though lesson for them to learn, and I do hope they did learn

KJ

 

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Now to check on the new Apple MacBook Pro, 17" of course....

 

Wow is all I can say after looking at the Dell XPS....although it's not exactly great in the looks department it's got everything that you could possibly want hardware wise...

HP would be dumb to not match this spec for spec....

 

I would really hope that the 1600 X 900 isn't the only option. I don't care how nice the 900 is, 1080 on a 17" should be standard especially if it is $2,600. 1600 x 900 is perfect for a 14 inch (I love you radiance) but i couldn't live with that on a 17" personally.

 

Think you have to go for the 3D screen to get the high resolution display. It's not much more expensive, and you don't have to use the 3D function.

 

I didn't look too closely at everything Dell had up there but I saw 1080 display...

But I agree that a 1080p display for 17' laptop...

This is just getting more frustrating as the other manufacturers start releasing their own updated SB laptops....thank God the 27th is coming up.

 

Just took a look at the Dell XPS3D myself and wow is what I said. It has pretty much everything I want..... so what is the bottom line? I think more and more that HP HAS TO match or beat what Dell and others are giving us spec wise ( its not an option for HP anymore)....I want an HP for many reasons...but the hardware has to be there or it will be a no go.

P.S. Not to make this a Dell thread now, but they are offering a 3GB video card..dayuum! NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 555M 3GB graphics with TV Tuner [Add $200.00 or $6.00/month1] Does anyone know if the GT 555M 3GB will kick the butt of the ATI HD 6850? I would suspect it would maybe just because it has 3GB....



KJ

 

It will, it's marginally faster with 1GB, and I guess the 2 extra GB's won't make it any slower

 

The Dell allows for much more flexibility. You can remove the 3D glasses and save $150 bucks in the shoping cart. 1080P is available in i5 and i7 models. You can choose whether or not to buy the Adobe software. 3G vs 1G. Also...the NVIDIA card supports Optimus.

 

well not exactly financial "problems" -- they just didnt meet projected expectations total revenue was up by 4% year to year and net earnings were actually up 17% year to year -- , but its true revenue was down 3.3% from previous quarter, which made Q2 projected revenue slip by 3%. thats what made the market freek out. But this is a company that pulls in over 30 billion in revenue every quarter -- its not exactly having financial problems, its just not growing as fast as they said they would.

 

I just started to think about this differently. did y'all notice that the projected new DV series is expected to have 1080p after all? . Thats right. in Asia they are describing a "Full HD" display, which in HP lingo means 1920x1080. It suggests to me that HP isn't using the Envy to compete directly with the XPS. Perhaps they will use the DV to compete with the XPS on price, and then pump up the Envy even further!

...and the DV community again rejoiced, while the Envy watchers are chained in gross darkeness...

But think this through: With this move, HP can offer almost the same things as the XPS for a lot less $$. The DV won't have 16GB RAM (in my opinion), but I'm not convinced that is needed for a non-3D entertainment platform, which is what HP appears to be driving towards in the DV. Also -- what if HP sources a 256GB SSD and offers Blu Ray writer in the newest DV7? In that case, the only thing XPS has over the DV is 3D and 16GB (and a bit stronger GP). Time for Envy to step up to the plate.

with 1080p in the DV, one has to think that some HP wow is brewing for the SB Envy. You're right TheAtreidesHawk and Killa Joe they have to meet or beat the XPS spec, or the (Envy) release will be lackluster, to say the least, and offer very little over the DV itself. Think about it -- other than 3D and the GP, the newest DV has everything announced back on January 4 for the Envy. Moreover, with a 1080P DV, what would be the purpose of a non-3D Envy? Can you imagine HP coming out with an Envy that has no hardware improvements over the DV other than 3D and one notch up on the GP? That tells me Envy is going to have more. At least I hope so...

 

dlleno I found the date in the DV thread, I think it was a link to the engaget site or watever.

 

another thing about the DELL XPS family is for the 15 inch, the screen is 1080p BRGLED, thats like the best screen out there I think. I know the m17x has the rgbled option, dont know if its the same screen

 

The XPS is tempting. I just configured one at the Dell website extremely well equipped for about $2100 USD (i7, full boat graphics, etc).

If I'm reading the specs correctly, the XPS does not support dual drives. I suppose the optical drive could be removed and a tray put in. This is how I run my HP 8440. I rarely use optical media directly in a laptop, so it's no great loss. But two drives + optical would be pretty cherry.

The ability to run dual drives is a feature I desire and part of my attraction to the Envy 17. I like running a modestly sized SSD as primary and a larger magnetic drive as a secondary data only drive. I've found many benefits to this configuration, even some stuff I didn't think I would such as easier backup management.

Toshiba was supposed to announce something about the SB Qosmio the other day but I guess they never did. Or at least I sure can't find anything about it if they did.

I'm poised to buy in the next month or so. The silence from HP is deafening. And frustrating. But of course you all already know how that feels

 

From a processing standpoint, the benchmarks over at notebookcheck show them pretty even with the NVIDIA a bit faster on the 3DMARK06 and the ATI pulling ahead maybe more than a little bit on the OpenGL test.

Without more information and setting the memory difference aside I'd call it a push.

 

+1 on the dual drives. They sure don't support dual rotating drives (no doubt a power issue here) However, when I went throught the Dell config site, I found the option for a 256GB SSD plus a 640GB 7200 rotating drive. yum -- but HP allows that in the DV. Really, the only difference between the XPS 17 and HPs new DV is 3D and 16GB. And the DV (at least will probably, in my opinrion) allow two rotating spindle drives, implying Raid 0 as well.

 

I must have been up way past my bedtime last night. I just went back to the Dell site and it was staring right at me - the XPS does indeed have two internal drive bays.

Has KillaJoe lit up the switchboard over at HP yet this morning ??

 

Yup, dual drives are definitely an option on the XPS17.

The only thing holding me back at the moment is the ugly design, but if HP takes much longer, I'm jumping ship.

 

Same. I'll wait till early march if there's still nothing on SB HP Envy then whatever I'm just gonna go with Dell XPS 17

 

very tempting...I wish HP would say something...

 

lol, not yet. I was planning on Feb. 27th, but I just realized that is a Sunday. So to be fair, I'm gonna hit it hard on Monday Feb. 28th. HP better have some answers for us. And yes, I will mentioned the other companies such as Dell to the HP rep to let him/her know there are those who are aware of what is available out there.....

HP needs to wake up quick...and let its consumbers/and or potential consumers know their plans if they wish to continue to have us as consumers.....

KJ

 

yay good going Killa I hope they listen. worst case, you won't know it, but word will spread within HP that folks are jumping ship for lack of information and availability of competing products!

I'm quite curious re: what the DV7 will actually deliver. Something tells me it will be essentially a January-4 Sandy Bridge Envy minus 3D (including 1080p), for less $$ than the XPS 17

 

Yeah, they need someone to tell them how it really is.

Oh, and my configuration of the XPS 17 3D on the Dell site came to over $2,800.00....that's because I speced it at the best level...yes, with 256GB SSD, Bluray writer, TV tuner, 3GB vid card,...not sure if I chose 16GB ram or 8...oh well, its not like I'm buying it right now...

KJ

 

holy black angus, Martha, for that price HP Envy 17 should be able to meet those specs and more

 

they have been busy making Steve Jobs copy cat presentations, here is new product line launch video, but where is the ENVY?

YouTube - HP and Augmented Reality

 

God damn, I've been in need of a laptop since december, seeing as my ty Mac aren't able to run bootcamp whatever I do, and I have windows programs I need for school use. This is taking it's toll on my education.

Serves me well for getting a Mac in the first place. My first and definitely LAST Mac ever, overpriced underperforming pieces of shait! (thanks censoring, like a curse word is the worst thing ever in this world)

 

Hey dlleno...did you or someone mention that the NEW dv7 would/could be configured with a 256 GB SSD drive?

If thats truly the case and it has the 1080p then I'm def going with that (I think USB 3.0 was mentioned at the beginning?)

Anyways the longer HP waits the worse for them.

 

It looks like I am going for the new DV7 myself.

-1080p screen not only is almost confirmed but probably will be an Infinity BrightView, exactly like the current Envy which is awesome.
-ATI 6770 is a great graphic card!
-Beats audio on the new DV7 is by far better compare with the current Envy 17. 4 Speakers and sub-woofer, new generation of Beats audio system!
-HD Webcam also available!
-Sandy Bridge i7 - Check
-USB 3.0 - Check
-Switchable graphics - Check
-CoolSense - Check
-FingerPrint reader - Check
-BluRay Burner - Check
-New modern design out of metal with curve cuts - Check
-Dark color - Check
-Cheaper price - Check

I mean this machine will outperform the current Envy in almost every way.

So if thats the case, even if HP completely redesign the Envy 17 and offer all the above the only differences will probably be the ATI 6850, the slot drive, and the 3D display. (Again if HP ever completely redesign it, put fingerprint reader and BluRay burner on the new Envy 17).

 

Where are you getting this information from? Is it on HP's website right now?

 

I imagine those are just rumors right now. The Envy 17 3D is on my list of future purchases as well. I have narrowed my choices down to the entry level 15" MacBook Pro, Dell XPS 17 3D, or the HP Envy 17 3D. I would really like the HP Envy 3D as the base price point, right now, through their education store is $1450 and I wouldn't change a thing from that. It has a two year warranty, Blu-ray drive, 650GB hard drive, etc.

Having said that, I am not going to spend that much money especially when I can get better performance (again, now) from the XPS 17 3D. I am going to wait for HP to upgrade the Envy 17 3D to Sandy Bridge and then take the plunge with one of those three systems. Hopefully HP pulls through and offers it at the same price as the current model while upgrading the CPU and (maybe) the graphics.

 

The new DV7 they are talking about on the cnet asia site looks pretty nice. I wonder if they will make the backlit keyboard an option? Sounds like a minor detail, but the Dell XPS and the Sony F allow this as an option.

HP has one huuuuge plus that keeps me from going to a competitor: Costco CTO. If Dell had a CTO program with Costco, an XPS would be in the order queue. Costco rocks to deal with as a retailer.

Also folks, will the new ATI chips have 'Optimus' equivalent technology? Seems like AMD has missed the boat on GPU power management...

 

Everything is pretty much confirmed. ATI 6770 was leaked on the HP support ftp server for the DV7 here. 1080p display was mentioned multiple times especialy during the Asian presentation of the new HP models. CNET Asia (scroll down) is clearly listing 1080p 17.3 inch display under DV7 specs.

The rest of the specification I mention is been confirmed 100% from HP at the beginning of the month.

 

AMD has had a seamless graphics solution for a while now that is similar to Optimus. Apple is even implementing it in their new MacBook Pro updates where the Intel HD 3000 is relied upon for non-heavy work and the Radeon is automatically (and seamlessly) kicked on when needed. I don't see why that technology wouldn't be carried over to non-Apple products.

That being said, it is my understanding that the Intel HD 3000 (which is included with every Sandy Bridge processor) isn't capable of keeping up with the 120Hz refresh rate required for 3D displays. That refresh rate is needed for 3D displays even when they are in 2D mode. I believe that is the reason why Optimus has been disabled on the Dell XPS 17 3D. The non-3D Envy 17 will likely feature the technology (along with every other higher end HP notebook). I think they even implemented the technology on their older (which are still being sold) non-Sandy Bridge notebooks here the Intel GMA 4500MHD is used and the Radeon is seamlessly kicked on when the extra force is needed.

 

Well I trust you so assuming that all pans out I'm not seeing any reason why I should wait even longer for the Envy SB version....especially if HP is going to just keep being dumb and not even give us a glimpse of what the future might hold.

 

Yes, Costco rocks indeed. Those who know me here, will tell you I get many laptops from Costco....(although they don't last long in my hands..cough)

The Envy 17 3D that I purchased came from HP....Why? Well, Costco has a fixed price, no negotiating , but of course you have 3 months to return for a full refund. HP sales...when I called they gave me $150 off just for asking. Costco would not do that. So I ended up buying from HP, but used my Costco Amercian Express card so instead of 2 years warranty on my Envy, the American Express automatically bumps it doubling the warranty to 4 years...lol, at least I hope so....the rep said it doubles the warranty...so no need to buy extended warranty.

KJ

 

The DV7 brochure says HD+ screen, there's no mention of a 1080p option.

http://www.anewhpworld.com/files/pdf/HP_Pavilion_dv7_Brochure.pdf

 

Unless there is something special about the Costco card, I think the extended warranty feature is one year. But one year is still pretty good.

"How does the Extended Warranty work?
When you charge the entire cost of a covered product with your American Express® Card, the Extended Warranty1 will extend the terms of the original manufacturer's warranty for a period of time equal to the duration of the original manufacturer's warranty, up to one additional year on warranties of five years or less that are eligible in the U.S."