dv6t-61XX / dv7t-61XX Switchable Graphics Discussion

If the programs use OpenGL they will not utilize the 6770M right now and only use the Intel HD graphics. There has to be a fix at some point but no one knows when that will happen.

 

The dynamic switching will not switch to the 6770M for any OpenGL program right now.

 

Strange. I guess with the manual switch models it may be possible to do dynamic too as its driver (software) based. I think, and Im taking an educated guess here, muxless switching does not have that hardwired switch, and therefore relies solely on drivers to enable the switching.

In anycase, I dont believe this means anything for us 61xx users. I doubt we'll be able to manual switch, but that's just my opinion.

 

Thanks for the info!
So the Pavilion dv6-6024tx with 1gb 6770m won't be affected right?

 

Maybe the OpenGL issue is stated in the 11.6 release notes:

Known issues under the Windows 7 operating system
The following section provides a summary of open issues that may be experienced under the Windows 7 operating system in the latest version of AMD Catalyst. These include:


Some BluRay content may experience jittery playback.
Star Wars Jedi Knight II / Jedi Academy may randomly crash on launch.
Image rotation might not function correctly in Photoshop CS5.
OpenGL acceleration might not be available in Photoshop CS5.
High GPU speeds might be retained after exiting a 3D application.
Display corruption may be observed while changing video resolution / settings while playing a video clip using Windows Media Center.
Shogun 2 cinematics may display rendering issues while running in DirectX 9 mode in certain Eyefinity configurations.

 

it says "Star Wars Jedi Knight II / Jedi Academy may randomly crash on launch." those are both openGL and it doesn't mention that they have the same issue as PS

 

Quake Live ect. can you add "Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast" and "Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy" to the list of OpenGL only games.

 

What this does kind of tell us is that OpenGL support on AMD is not the best and buggy as hell. Would prob reinforce the fact they decided not to support OpenGL acceleration on the 6 series cards. Still baffles me how they could make such a decision.

 

If you take a look at this link to the Tech specs of the Adobe Premiere Pro and scroll down to the bottom where it lists cards that are certified to work with the software they are all Nvidia cards. The ATI 6770 is not listed.

Tech specs | Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5


I dont know if that means there are no AMD cards that will accelerate the program. We need someone who uses this program to chime in here and say whether this program will run "Properly" on the AMD 6770M. I saw nothing on that spec sheet about DirectX but OpenGL was a requirement.

 

I went Adobe's web site and they said DirectX 9.0 was required for Premier Pro

 

JKII and JA also have D3D modes. They're cherry picking issues instead of coming out and saying that dynamic switching is screwed all to hell with OpenGL renderers.

 

AMD cards will accelerate things that need accelerating in Adobe CS. The problem is that NVIDIA has this technology called CUDA, where the processor shunts nonvideo tasks to the GPU to be processed. It's essentially like having a bunch of miniCPUs. AMD doesn't support it.

 

Hi everyone.
I bought dv6tqe 1080p with 1gb 6770m card.
I may be getting it into my hands after two weeks as it was delivered to my brother a week ago.
I am reading alot abt the graphics problems. What actually is the problem with my configuration? I use my laptop for games , highend cad and some other creative animation and to watch hd videos. How am I affected now. Is there any fix coming soon? I am very much worried n what should I do now?

Thanks in advance

 

No info beyond what is stated on the first post of the thread is known. Have you read the first post? It has all the current info on the subject.

 

Yes I have read the first post. Some where in hp forums I read that the dv6tqe with 1080p is only running with the intel graphics and is not at all using the ati graphics. Is that true?

 

in addition 61xx(1080p) do not operate gpu overclock. 6000 model is well.
i think becase of dynamic swichable. i bought it for gaming.. do not oc is very angry!!!

 

If you would have read the first post of this thread...this would have been a little more clear to you....but none the less....lemme try and answer some of your questions......
The problem stands with the card 6770m and its inability to support OpenGL ...hence as a result any software/Game that uses OpenGL ...will give you issues as it will not switch to the radeon and would work on the onboard Intel 3000 .....Most of the games ...coming out...support DirectX ...hence gaming shouldnt be a problem in most cases....but for example Minecraft is one game that supports OpenGl and you would face issues...also for creative animationa nd rendering...that requires OpenGL.....you would face issues again......Thr is no certain date as to when the fix would come.....11.7 release is speculated to be out in July which might solve the problem...but no one has confirmed it...please read the first page of the thread....you`ll be more informed on this...its beautifully written

 

1080p has nothing to do with the card.....the information given by some of the users ..on the hp...forum..aint true...or thr card is bad piece

 

No, it is not true.

 

So the only problem at present is it can not render openGL based softwares or games n nothing else. There can be a fix for this too. Am I right...???

 

I've been helping my cousin set up a minecraft server, and it really seems like a primitive game when it comes to the graphics at least.

However, his run-of-the-mill dell with a mid-range consumer dGPU beats the hell out of my rocking 6770M on rendering a game based on BLOCKS! Its a little depressing.

I don't mind terribly as I don't play this game often, but my dGPU is just sitting there idle. That seems like a waste of money. They ought to have SOME way to be able to use the dGPU for OpenGL rendering.

 

it didn't even let me install 11.6 as its not applicable for 66XX (67XX included) models as they are 'switchable'.

Was I the only one who had that issue?

 

The 6770 is more than capable of rendering OpenGL. It's the drivers that are the problem.

 

Take a look at the first post of the stickied thread at the top of the page. At the end of the post you will find 11.6 drivers to download. If you have probs with upgrading CCC then do a custom install (not express) and choose only to update the driver and not CCC. Should work. Try it.

Make sure you have the HP supplied drivers installed first and install over that.

 

The problem is that the 6770 is not kicking on for OpenGL rendered software. The card would be able to render it, but it is not being switched on properly, and as a result all OpenGL rendering is being handled by the integrated graphics.

 

I just got my laptop in today. After setting everything up, I plan on installing and playing around with Photoshop CS3. I am an amateur/non-professional user of photoshop, so I will post my impressions about using the program on that level with this issue with the machine. Hopefully that might help anyone else who also uses Photoshop on a non professional level wondering if this issue leaves the comp good enough to handle it...

 

Extract the contents of the 11.6 download with winrar or 7-zip and go to the bin64 folder then run the setup from there. It should let you upgrade CCC.

 

hey guys, i'm a bit confused.

i just got mine new dv6tqe

unpacked it. did a minimal image restore to clean things up

when i open the Catalsyst control, I get this

which looks like a switchable graphics option to me?

which i thought we didn't have?

i'm confused...

 

That's dynamic, not manual like everyone wants.

 

but it lets me choose which i want, it seems? it let me set photoshop to high performance? does that mean it lies? very confused...

 

Yes, it lies. It lets you set OpenGL applications to high performance, but it never actually uses the discreet GPU to run them. Try it before and after with something you can measure (for Photoshop, it doesn't actually make much difference since the integrated GPU is usually enough).

 

I'll be waiting for your input ...but be rest assured you wouldn't feel the difference....

 

Wow, I finally find a laptop that I really want and was just about to purchase. Then BAM, I read this thread and it destroys all of my hope for this laptop.

I use Photoshop CS5 avidly, and the new dv7t seems like the perfect laptop to do so, except now that I know OpenGL isn't supported, I'm back to square one. *expletive*

Anyone know if this is a hardware issue, or just a driver issue that they can patch in the future? Because, if it's a driver issue, then I might just purchase the dv7t anyway, and pray to dear God that they do indeed release a new driver that fixes this OpenGL situation.

 

It's a driver issue. But since I had another issue with the 6770M it's going back and I ordered an XPS.

 

But photoshop will run just fine. It will run on the integrated graphics so it may not render as fast as you want, but it will work.

 

I'm aware that Photoshop will work, but why spend the money on a laptop when part of its features don't work at all? It's akin to buying a F430, and Ferrari telling you that you won't have access to all of the horsepower until Ferrari comes by your house to reflash the ECU at an undetermined date, if they ever do that is.

Sure, you may be able to drive the car around just fine, but you bought the car to take advantage of its perks, or else you might as well have bought something else that's cheaper or something else that offers 100% of its advertised features.

 

Why the hell would you buy an f430? 458 ftw. I understand your point. I was just double checking you knew it would actually load. I don't use any OpenGL stuff anyway, so it doesn't bother me.

 

Yeah, bummer for me I really do hope they patch it soon.

 

Not everyone wants manual i have manual switching by default. i want to get dynamic (so i get it, look at my previous posts.)

 

If you really want a machine for Adobe software, you need an NVIDIA GPU anyway, otherwise it's still not operating at full potential.

 

Glad someone is going to report on how this program works with that software. Are you going to test it working with video? Looking forward to your impressions.

 

Well some people want to drive a Ferrari around to get all the chicks

 

I dont think the Ferrari metaphor is really apt though. If you get a Ferrari, you are paying a real premium for a top of the line product, so having some part of it not properly work is much more...galling, I guess. The laptop equivalent would be more along the lines of getting a $2000+ laptop with all the bells and whistles and having this kind of issue. This, I see as more of...getting a Honda or Toyota, something with a lot of features/power for the price, and having in not all work 100%...its still not ideal, but considering that other options with the same features will cost more, or for the same price will have weaker specs, it might, for some people at least, really still be worth it to settle with the one issue considering the overall package...

 

My laptop specs ...for the dv6 that I ordered are in my signature and all of us are aware of the dynamic switching issues..as mentioned in the thread....would anyone advise me to go for the Asus g74(I know I am comparing appples to oranges in terms of screen size - onezz a 15" and others a 17" )

Secondly if I decide to go for a 17"- how difficult would it be to carry it around...considering ...I would be moving a bit

The only g74 I can go for is the one from best buy which is the gimped out version(vid card is 128 bit instead of the 192bit-hw mch difference would that make ) but cheaper Asus - Laptop / Intel® Core™ i7 Processor / 17.3" Display / 8GB Memory / 1TB Hard Drive - G74SX-BBK7

 

It's not just a 17 inch. It's a monstrous 17-inch. 10 pounds, good God, man. It's got pretty good specs. It's not going to be easy to lug around.

 

Very well said. In terms of hardware, the $1100 version of the dv6 that I bought (2720QM, 6770M, 8GB RAM, 1920x1080, BlueRay) is actually very similar to the $2200 configuration of the 15" MacBookPro. There are a few pluses and minuses to each, but they more or less cancel each other out. The main difference between the two is OS X which, among other things, is custom-designed to work with the hardware of the MacBookPro without any irritating glitches like switchable graphics. Is that worth paying literally twice the price? For some people it is, but I'd rather live with the nuisances.

 

Even then that's not entirely accurate because the 2011 15-17" MBP line does have switchable graphics. Granted, it's only on the OSX side - it doesn't work if you do Windows via Boot Camp.

 

Thats the only...worry.......i had a 17inch earlier...but this monster is gonna be really heavy ..now i dont know what to do...should i stick with the dv6t or go for the asus g74.

 

g74 is also 17 inch and will probably be even heavier and bulkier than this model. it is a desktop replacement not meant to be portable

in fact pretty much any 17 inch model is not portable.

i guess you could call the dv6t portable but it is by no means convenient to carry around at 6 lbs or more.

 

ASUS makes some great gaming rigs but they tend be expensive and very heavy. I almost bought a G74SX-A1 when they came out not too long ago but coudn't justify the $1500+ price and it weights 9.4lbs.